Haven't heard from this dumb bitch in a while
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women in positions of leadership end up destroying whatever theyre trying to lead
changemymind
No, just women who aren’t strong enough to resist mob rule and group-think. Kristi Noem exists. And if I were in a leadership position, I wouldn’t ever be walked over like this or told what to think. Anyone who knows me can tell you I never let people change my mind when I really believe in something.
I find it refreshing to be in a place where someone can articulate their opinion as they wish, even if I don’t completely agree with them. There are some broken things to fix, and I’m not sure if “be nicer to the ladies“ will fix any of those things.
Of course one particular woman can be just as effective as one particular man, but in aggregate there’s going to be a lot more cramming personnel into billets to uphold standards unrelated to the task at hand. Seems like I saw a Jordan Peterson talk on that once, the Pareto distribution.
The result of incentivizing any [portion of your population that does not naturally want to build bridges] into the bridge building profession is that bridges will fall down with greater frequency.
Do you see an inherent conflict in declaring women’s equality and white knighting when they take an “L”?
The solution is simple. Let people choose individually what is best for them. Don't force your preferences upon them.
Free markets in free societies.
I actually agree with most of your take, but I do think we have to keep in mind we're on new ground here as a society. Sure, you can see parallels with older civilisations in places, but: contraceptives were far more primitive in the past so pregnancy was more a semi-random occurrence - you couldn't choose not to have kids unless you didn't have sex, democracy only existed in very limited forms in most places even among the ancient Greeks who many consider the pioneers of it today - hell, in the UK only around a fourth to a fifth of men could vote before 1918 and the franchise was expanded to women in 1928, social media and the kind of global interconnectivity we have today was flat out not a thing, and finally, human beings haven't as a whole been living above a subsistence level for very long.
Do I think women and men will ever think the exact same and act the exact same? No. The left is trying to make people ignore what they immediately observe if they ever go outside and interact with another person (so all of the Twatterati is immediately disqualified). But I think it's possible a huge part of our current problem comes less from women and more from the fact the left (inc. feminists) have created an atmosphere where men are demonised and you aren't allowed to expect any sort of individual responsibility from women nor hold them to any standards. Add to that, the government is lurking like a vulture ready to swoop in and play the role of surrogate father and mother + every other role imaginable under the sun, which is pretty horrendous, you need two parents as a child, I'm certain in that, the facts back it up.
If you flip the demonisation to women and the lack of responsibility to men as you get with Islam, well, name me one Islamic country that's better to live in than the US?
The one thing I think the left get right is men and women could learn from each other. Not the way the left thinks, where they create weak spineless men because that's their entire view of femininity and loudmouthed indignant idiot women because that's how the left views masculinity, but in more practical terms. The biggest positives I see more often with men are: willingness to go against the herd (which includes both brutal honesty and not getting roped into pettiness between coworkers, this is especially important in managerial and leadership positions), assertiveness (the left seems to mistake this for being a loudmouthed tard), stoicism in the face of a challenge (I'd say this is most important when raising children). The biggest positives I see more often with women are: better at talking through their problems (I've had to lower enough caskets where a boy or a man committed suicide to get this impression, it's more rarely been a girl or a woman), being better at reading social cues (this gets shat on a fair bit and I agree you need to be able to do this but also be assertive too, but I definitely think it's a helpful skill to pass down to children both to keep them safe and to get them further in life with making connections, networking etc) and being better at couching honest criticisms in a way that doesn't make the other person immediately buckle up on the defensive (in my experience more so with acquaintances than someone close, familiarity breeds contempt as they say).
Quotas on how many men/women should be in x should just get fucking thrown out, it's like you said with your bridge-building comment.
You're right, coddling won't get us anywhere, but at the same time if you take "women in positions of leadership end up destroying whatever they're trying to lead" and reverse it to be a feminist criticism of men in x or doing y, many people here would be pissed, rightfully so. So would I. I don't see the west reversing the franchise since it's only ever broadened it, so rather than bemoan women being in these positions we should focus on criticising bad leadership and holding the individual women and men in leadership to higher standards. No cattiness, no bowing to the NWO, no simping, no cucking out. I mean if we only look at politicians you'd get the impression 95% of the US suck as human beings and that's not the case. Even most male establishment politicians have sold out to the NWO: Romney, McCain (ded), Bush, Obama and his loving husband Big Mike among them, look to the EU and you get much the same.
The solution in my view is a cultural push in all institutions against these Marxist perspectives and to get the government back out of raising children. I mean right now is it really any wonder there's so much bad leadership when boys and girls are being taught Marxism is the way to go and their entire perspective on both masculinity and femininity comes from childless man-hating landwhales and childless man-hating soy-sprouts?
100% agree, and I mean 100%. Women are great, I love them, and on an individual basis they've the potential to best an individual man in any contest (physical more rare, but still sometimes individually doable). Spicy comments within reason about any group have been naturally stripped from our conversation, and I am for them making at least a slight comeback.
I love this in a conversational forum context, as an antidote to our indoctrination that anyone that speaks anything against us is a bigoted whatever-you-are-aphobe. Instead of yelling out “bigot!,“ how about accurately analyzing the statement, and illuminating any errors? (Not talking about you)
Women are doused with incongruent propaganda over their lifetime now:
“Women just can’t be good leaders, that’s the problem with this country,”
Of course it’s not true - and the untrue parts are easily argued. But it contains slivers of truth, and is the most gentle counterpoint to sexist, Marxist propaganda.
I have come to treasure these spicy motherfuckers popping off here and there. 😄
I'm definitely not against spicy comments and I love humor that shits on men, women, whites, blacks and anyone else. The original comment that kicked off this thread could well have been ironic, but it isn't always around here and while I don't mind people saying it, I do disagree.
When it comes to politics the impression I get - and I don't know if it's because politics just attracts these sorts of people or the fact the west has become so swampy or both - is that most men and women in that field are useless or outright inhuman. Good leaders there, man or woman, seem to be in the minority by far not the overwhelming majority.
In the private sector I do lean toward preferring men as managers than women, mainly because of how godawful the women can be to each other (and the leftists want us to turn a blind eye to that because women can do no wrong and if they do it's still the patriarchy's fault for making them this way), but I'd take a good manager of either sex any day over a bad one of either sex.
I do think people are too coddled now, women are getting ridiculous fiction drilled into them and men are getting more and more physically unfit, and it isn't conducive to preparing either for the realities of the world, but I think higher standards will achieve that better than shitting on either sex. Generalisations make for good humor but they put people more on the defensive than more subtle humor (say targeting social dynamics. thinking Bill Burr's standup on women here as an example) where they have to actually think more in depth about it.
Oh, I almost forgot, I'm supposed to call you a bigot and ree and not actually make any coherent arguments. Have this complementary reeeeeeeeeeee
Wow, really good points well articulated. Agree with everything, the only place where we might differ is the value of the “slightly overly harsh blanket criticism of a particular sex.“
On this board, they are all just excellent teaching opportunities.
Thanks for a great conversation, and an outstanding “Reeeeee,” my bigot 👊😄
here here
Agree, I believe most women, like me, can thrive at home. I also know some who are just not wired for it and they are better off, as well as their kids, when they are working. One size does not fit all. I also believe that with social support more women could be happy at home. They also need to treat being home as a job and not be lazy whiners. Being a good housewife is work. My husband has a hot meal waiting for him at night. I take my alone time in the day and take care of him when he gets home
Absolutely! The choice has to be with the individual, “free country“ and all that.
So many jobs, for both or either M or F, have been characterized by media as “uncool.” With love/respect/not being a dumb-ass, the woman-man combo can be a force. It can be tough, obviously but it’s especially good to see during this age of so much anti-family propaganda.
By providing the country with more powerful, better adjusted, future citizens (statistically), you all are quite literally making America great again.
Best to you guys 👊🇺🇸
Definitely qualify it as a liberals
The issue is the MAJORITY of women, not all women, so a lot of times it's easier just to say women, instead of explaining the sample size my guy. A LOT of women were promoted to positions of leadership due to "gender equality" that didn't have the skills or valuable experience to warrant these positions. It's the same with blacks and Latinos who get promoted. The issue is that women tend to rate very highly in terms of agreeableness and so parrot back whatever some authority figure told them at some point in their lives instead of forming unique and valuable perspectives. But all that is easier to sum up as women suck in positions of leadership.
100% fact
It actually gets stupider when we're arguing positions of political power not voting trends (important distinction) as you can barely turn your head in the GOP without seeing RINOs and other snakes, or are we just going to pretend Romney, McCain (back in hell) and most of the GOP are somehow not opportunists and establishment globalists? The Dems may be overrun and never do the right thing but Trump has to get up every day and battle to get even many Republicans to do the right thing, look at how many were silent when Biden 'won' and only started to speak out once they sensed the tide turning.
Sure, more men voted Trump than women (but he is making headway with women, and if I recall it right Trump would have won 48 states were it down only to caucasian women, 50 were it down to caucasian men), I'm not dispooting that and I also wouldn't dispoot that the left have been breeding an environment in western society where masculinity is demonised, but when I look at politicians I get the impression the majority of either sex are sellouts and swamp. Genuine ones like Trump are rare.
Maidengate. They faked women approval by faking women's names.
That's what I'm alluding to with Trump making headway with women - I'm not counting Biden's magic ballots where he somehow gets all the votes in a ballot dump despite Trump doing even better this time around with every single demographic everywhere else - gays, men, women, hispanics, the whole lot.
fwiw, Fiorina is a Republican and ran for President.
Same. I've had to deal with a lot of bullshit over the years and I'm pretty notorious for not budging an inch when I'm sure of something.
Kristi norm and women like her are the exception not the rule. So yeah society needs to stop with the bullshit that women are just as good leaders as men. They aren't if it's an average woman she's going to be awful you really need someone way above average for that
Agreed
Or do you?
Jk😁
He's acting like a hysterical woman throwing a hissy fit
Cant trust a ho, never trust a ho.
Don't be narrow-minded. Lisa Su is killing it for AMD.
Still waiting on that stock to breakout like people have been saying for months xd
Wallstreetbets is the one thing that keeps me at reddit. PRICED IN...SIDEWAYS
Lol what? Bought in at under 10 a share 2.5 years ago. It's at 86 now. Made a killing.
It already broke out man. I was in from $7 to $34 then back in at $45.
Bro amd was $3 a share is like $45 now. What counts as a break out to you?
*84
I bought stock for $30 a little over a year ago and it's now worth $82. Nearly tripled in under 24 months. That's about as close to a breakout as you can get.
Her limitations as a woman are made up for by having the Asian genes.
The effects of females in power
Affirmative Action in action. Didn’t Trump make a wisecrack about her horse face during the 2016 primaries?
He was right. That plastic surgery was very unfortunate AND SHE KNOWS IT.
Disagree. Worked with a lot of C-suite. Taking business owners out of the equation...The really talented are threatening to others. The really stupid usually get fired. The mediocre yes men and women... straight to the top.
How does she have this little self awareness? Unbelievable.
oh no guys a girl is trying to win an argument with shame again, have we set the time machine to 1992?
I owned HP stock at the time so I remember this bitch vividly. Worst performing stock in my portfolio, drove that company into the ground. Total incompetence
I hate HP printers with a burning passion because they constantly have issues, and they force you to replace every ink cartridge even if you’re only printing in black and white. There is no reason for that other than greed programmed into their design.
Owning an HP printer is like having a Microsoft windows update shoved up your computer's ass every single fucking day.
^^ This guy windows 10's
http://precisioncolors.com.
Not associated with them, but this site changed the way I use printers. You can get a refill kit for $100 and the guy autistically obsesses over ink and print technology with all the information you need. The site could use work though.
Why do women, in an effort to be feminist and look-at-me-how-strong-and-independant-i-am, always resort to name calling?? "Inadequate man"? That's all you've got? She was a shitty candidate then, with no redeeming qualifications, and she's a not even has-been now - trying to secure herself a position in the (not gonna happen) future treason administration?
Bitchy women are omnipresent. They need to be constantly told to STFU because they will ruin any situation in which they are allowed to freely operate.
wiki 'Fiorina was an adviser to Republican Senator John McCain's 2008 presidential campaign' well that explains a lot.
also
'Fiorina was a candidate in the 2016 Republican presidential primary, and was for seven days the vice-presidential running mate of Ted Cruz until he suspended his campign' The fuck??
It was a last bid effort by Cruz to unite all Republican Trump haters to his campaign.
We didn't call him El Rato for nothing.
then trump taught the rat how to win and he became lion ted
If you don't believe it, go buy an HP printer. What a piece of junk.
HP is garbage. I hate them and their fucking printers.
She's also pretending that Trump has not done more for this country and kept more promises than any president since George Washington.
He has talked about and not done only two things: starting new wars and destroying the deep state. The latter is still pending
The only worse female CEO in recent memory for me is Marissa Mayer who lead Yahoo into a wall.
All you have to do is just imagine they are talking about Biden, their own democratic party or their brainless mobs of antifa/BLM and you'll see that their use of projection is so insane if it was a drug you'd OD like floyd in the hospital
Chris, your depiction of her destroying Hewlett-Packard is inaccurate. it's an accurate because it's incomplete. You forgot that as VP of finance, she destroyed lucent technologies, which was the former AT&t nsi group through extremely aggressive financing, mostly to customers who had no plans to ever pay back the money. They didn't, and lucent is a fart in the shadow of its former self
fucking dumb bitch
she made the GOP seem like a national embarrassment. thank god Trump trounced her.
Seriously she was one of the worst CEOs ever. Bitch was over her head the entire time and all she could figure out to do with that company was to just break it apart
Before that she drove a big division into the ground at Lucent.
Ooh yeah, lucent, another huge scam. Lol she's is worst than Romney
This Fiorina dame sounds like she wishes she could piss standing up.
But Hey, maybe that's my inadequacy talking.
That retarded bitch was the absolute bane of HP. Luckily they fucking canned her stupid ass.
Did they fire her dumb ass? Was it before or after this tweet?
She's been out for years.
Never forget that Ted Cruz selected her for VP.
Just remember, this was Ted Cruz's pick for VP.
Ted Cruz's VP pick is still around?
shes just projecting her own faults and insecurities. lefties do this constantly
I legitimately thought HP was out of business Lolol. Wouldn’t touch their product with someone else’s 10ft pole.
Company I used to work for - Campbells Soup hired a lady CEO. She went on a buying spree of every POS "politically correct" food product that nobody can stand. Over-Spent billions, only to almost run the company into the ground. After she was fired they had to unload these companies for pennies on the dollar.
Not saying a man couldn't fuck up just as bad, but she was a major fuck up.
Look at that face.
Carly's failures are much deeper than that. She ran a scheme where they double dipped on contracts. So if you have 1yr left on a support contract a rep would give you discounts to renew early. Both the original contract and new one both stayed on the books inflating HPs value.
I used to use hp servers... Her time in charge seriously screwed HP up.
And turned HP into a joke.
I am not a fan of HP. Their printers are alright. But I feel like their computers have always been overpriced.
This is the problem with people that got rich undeservedly.... they always think they deserved it.
Carly Fiorina makes Meg Whitman look like a competent HP CEO, and Meg lost the company an $8.8 BILLION write-down on a company they had purchased a year earlier.
Are all women in tech or leadership incompetent? Absolutely not. But you don't have to look much further than HP's string of awful female CEO's to make you wonder.
Then you look at Leo Apotheker and remember even men can be incompetent.
"Inadequate men in big jobs are always dangerous..."
Agreed.
Therefore, "Trump has cemented his legacy as an inadequate man who lacks the mental faculties and strength of character [blah blah blah blah"
I'm sad that people who have worked as executives, such as Fiorna, can be so logically stupid. Imagine the self-righteousness of a person who can jump from some adage to some nitwit accusation and feel confident to write it in a permanent internet log for all to have.
sounds like a corporate raider. They come in cut everything to the bone and take a huge salary, as the company tanks and everyone else gets fucked.
Those aren't panty lines, it's cellulite. Gross bitch. I hope she falls straight down through her own asshole.
She did exactly what she was paid for and what she was capable of. Tearing shit down. What an igtard.
horse faced pony soldier....
Never, ever diversity-hire a CEO!
Why are we even giving this dumb bitch any attention? FOCUS ON THE ELECTION!
How the fuck is a braindead she-cuck leftist turd claiming that TRUMP lacks mental faculties and STRENGTH OF CHARACTER?
Who in the fuck has more of those than Trump?
Can confirm, sister and other friends spent years at HP. Aside from those she fired, everyone decent left because the culture was destroyed. She was an affirmative action pick and a horrible leader. Only engineers should run tech companies. I suspect the women who are good engineers just are not pretty enough. Silicon Valley has a sick culture
Sexist bitch.