Sport forges real character and friendships - weather you go pro or not.
Video games can not be compared.
The injury part in sport is true, but so are the health benefits.
I’m sorry people don’t see the real danger with gaming. It’s specifically manufactured to steal your time. People joke about being red pilled and a great awakening. What people don’t realise - is that the great slumber that entraps people in a literal matrix style conceptual framework is video games.
Also not being elitist here - I know many people even here play them. So did I and still waste time playing games on my phone sometimes.
But overall - people claiming it can be virtuous in some way - is like people smoking weed and trying to convince people it’s good for you.
Its okay to Mark games in the naughty useless list - even if you play them.
Its okay to do something - and still be cognisant what it’s really about.
Steve jobs himself knew what’s up with cell phones owning peoples lives - in trying to take attention - and he himself even stated his kids wouldn’t get smartphones.
So am I speaking in absolutes? Well yes. We don’t have to praise our vices. This something gamers always do, because they are in denial. You won’t hear a smoker trying to say or prove smoking is good for him.
As for sport - over all - even with injuries considered - the consensus is out - and it’s overall positive. There are entire medical professionals geared and centered towards increasing not only exercise but sport activity. Comparing sport as a negative is just not being truthful. Now sure we should be cognisant of the dark side of sport too. But it’s nothing like gaming.
Also can’t wait for the next bunch of PC culture games to come out and brainwash the youth.
When you suggest I compared sport to something negative you are making a strawman. I say for a minority of people it is decidedly negative and unhealthy.
You are making logical failures when you are appealing to consensus or so called experts who are giving qualitative advice on how to live life. You are also appealing to the authority of someone like Steve Jobs. I'm not sure his expertise in business, tech and marketing translate to a philosophy on how to live or how to treat your own children. If you think societal consensus is an indicator to follow then you should know he is greatly criticized for how he treated people, especially his own child.
Many of what you said can also be said about "reading". The written word has been criticized since at least Aristotle and until TV replaced it as an opiate, it received some hate still. Chess as well, for being a fruitless endeavor (then again the book of ecclesiastes says all endeavours are fruitless). I think Socrates said writing will weaken people's minds as they no longer need to remember things.
Computer games also have a very social nature. Many even more so than sports.
Not only did you speak in absolutes but you called some dude a preacher of evil or something like that. I don't even play or like computer games but I felt the need to defend that. Your arguments are weak and full of logical jumps and I really believe you should be more humble and take the plank out of your own eye before you judge your neighbor for the speck in his.
If computer games didn't exist would the world be better or worse, I don't think anyone including you can say. It depends probably on what the people who are now problem computer gamers would turn to. My guess is something just as isolating and possibly more destructive but I really don't know.
I'm willing to be corrected but you have to work on your arguments if you want to be convincing. You will also be more well received if you don't act like a know it all and don't call people preachers of evil or whatever it was.
You’re using deconstructionist theory (From Derrida) - a form of postmodernest thinking to deconstruct everything. This is a dangerous leftist tactic - often used to win any arguement by simple virtue that we can’t make any positive claims - so long as a single negative exists about everything. (For example sport)
Then you’re using marxist principles to equalise everything - as if each thing can’t be judged on its own merit... a series of what aboutisms - the same way radical atheist Marxists claim all religions are bad - and have to make negative statements on Christianity every time someone criticises Islam - in order to maintain the “balance” of things being “equally bad”. And yet - the huge differences between sport and gaming is again being ignored by you - and instead you accept only the weakest outliers of sport. Yet refuse to accept the absolute certainty that gaming yields little utility and function in enriching or investing in ones future, when it’s such a huge time sink.
And this is all in the name to defend gaming - because you’re upset of the apt conclusions I made about it.
Your other examples are neither here nor there - nor relevant to the topic of gaming - to be frank.
If you want to discuss the rest... sure - but you’re trying hard for whataboutisms to disguise the problems of gaming.
You're projecting a lot of bs onto me. My criticisms of your logic use devices that go back to antiquity. Futhermore I am not making claims about these things aside from saying that you yourself don't know. You introduced the topic of sport and compared to two activites and now accuse me of whataboutism. You are also saying I am ingoring the bad aspects of gaming. How? I am saying in all these things there are people who benefit, learn and have productive experiences. In these things also there are a minority amount of people who have their lives destroyed by the activity. You provide nothing more than seemily your availability heuristic understanding and sentences saying that it should be self evident that gaming is bad and sport is good.
And now you aren't even attacking my ideas you are attacking the form of argument that you say I'm using. Sounds like a dishonest debate tactic. Maybe you are the post modernist? Your philosophy sounds like Savonarola bonfire of the vanities. A religeous version of stalinism if you ask me. All life must be a dedication to some sort of pure idealism as defined by you of which for some reason sport falls into that category. I'm glad you made friends through sport. Don't hate on people who build their social skills and make friends through gaming which I think has way more opportunities to meet and converse with new people.
All life must be a dedication to some sort of pure idealism as defined by you of which for some reason sport falls into that category.
Savonarola? Did you get that out of thin air? And relate him to my sport arguements... sorry - there actually is a prominent philosopher that shares my views in this... and it’s not that guy.
My arguements Sound more like Plato to me... its about balance - with persists enriching mind body and soul.
Gaming does nothing for the body or soul. And corrupts the mind.
So here is one of platos many quotes showing what I am saying fits much more in line with that - if you want to generalise:
We should not exercise the body without the joint assistance of the mind; nor exercise the mind without the joint assistance of the body.
Plato
Heres a nice little summary summarising platos mind body and spirit philosophy.
As the metaphor of thirst arises in above article - often gaming is an unquenchable thirst of the mind to ignore our very biology, and motivations for the physical existence. A trap for the mind that withers both body and spirit.
Tldr: if Americans still played sport in school as part of the school and compulsory - rather than just the “contracted youth athletes”... antifa and the likes would be checking their ego at the door. Much of the pussy generation is precisely due to the death of sport in many schools.
Sport forges real character and friendships - weather you go pro or not.
Video games can not be compared.
The injury part in sport is true, but so are the health benefits.
I’m sorry people don’t see the real danger with gaming. It’s specifically manufactured to steal your time. People joke about being red pilled and a great awakening. What people don’t realise - is that the great slumber that entraps people in a literal matrix style conceptual framework is video games.
Also not being elitist here - I know many people even here play them. So did I and still waste time playing games on my phone sometimes.
But overall - people claiming it can be virtuous in some way - is like people smoking weed and trying to convince people it’s good for you.
Its okay to Mark games in the naughty useless list - even if you play them.
Its okay to do something - and still be cognisant what it’s really about.
Steve jobs himself knew what’s up with cell phones owning peoples lives - in trying to take attention - and he himself even stated his kids wouldn’t get smartphones.
So am I speaking in absolutes? Well yes. We don’t have to praise our vices. This something gamers always do, because they are in denial. You won’t hear a smoker trying to say or prove smoking is good for him.
As for sport - over all - even with injuries considered - the consensus is out - and it’s overall positive. There are entire medical professionals geared and centered towards increasing not only exercise but sport activity. Comparing sport as a negative is just not being truthful. Now sure we should be cognisant of the dark side of sport too. But it’s nothing like gaming.
Also can’t wait for the next bunch of PC culture games to come out and brainwash the youth.
When you suggest I compared sport to something negative you are making a strawman. I say for a minority of people it is decidedly negative and unhealthy.
You are making logical failures when you are appealing to consensus or so called experts who are giving qualitative advice on how to live life. You are also appealing to the authority of someone like Steve Jobs. I'm not sure his expertise in business, tech and marketing translate to a philosophy on how to live or how to treat your own children. If you think societal consensus is an indicator to follow then you should know he is greatly criticized for how he treated people, especially his own child.
Many of what you said can also be said about "reading". The written word has been criticized since at least Aristotle and until TV replaced it as an opiate, it received some hate still. Chess as well, for being a fruitless endeavor (then again the book of ecclesiastes says all endeavours are fruitless). I think Socrates said writing will weaken people's minds as they no longer need to remember things.
Computer games also have a very social nature. Many even more so than sports.
Not only did you speak in absolutes but you called some dude a preacher of evil or something like that. I don't even play or like computer games but I felt the need to defend that. Your arguments are weak and full of logical jumps and I really believe you should be more humble and take the plank out of your own eye before you judge your neighbor for the speck in his.
If computer games didn't exist would the world be better or worse, I don't think anyone including you can say. It depends probably on what the people who are now problem computer gamers would turn to. My guess is something just as isolating and possibly more destructive but I really don't know.
I'm willing to be corrected but you have to work on your arguments if you want to be convincing. You will also be more well received if you don't act like a know it all and don't call people preachers of evil or whatever it was.
You’re using deconstructionist theory (From Derrida) - a form of postmodernest thinking to deconstruct everything. This is a dangerous leftist tactic - often used to win any arguement by simple virtue that we can’t make any positive claims - so long as a single negative exists about everything. (For example sport)
Then you’re using marxist principles to equalise everything - as if each thing can’t be judged on its own merit... a series of what aboutisms - the same way radical atheist Marxists claim all religions are bad - and have to make negative statements on Christianity every time someone criticises Islam - in order to maintain the “balance” of things being “equally bad”. And yet - the huge differences between sport and gaming is again being ignored by you - and instead you accept only the weakest outliers of sport. Yet refuse to accept the absolute certainty that gaming yields little utility and function in enriching or investing in ones future, when it’s such a huge time sink.
And this is all in the name to defend gaming - because you’re upset of the apt conclusions I made about it.
Your other examples are neither here nor there - nor relevant to the topic of gaming - to be frank.
If you want to discuss the rest... sure - but you’re trying hard for whataboutisms to disguise the problems of gaming.
You're projecting a lot of bs onto me. My criticisms of your logic use devices that go back to antiquity. Futhermore I am not making claims about these things aside from saying that you yourself don't know. You introduced the topic of sport and compared to two activites and now accuse me of whataboutism. You are also saying I am ingoring the bad aspects of gaming. How? I am saying in all these things there are people who benefit, learn and have productive experiences. In these things also there are a minority amount of people who have their lives destroyed by the activity. You provide nothing more than seemily your availability heuristic understanding and sentences saying that it should be self evident that gaming is bad and sport is good.
And now you aren't even attacking my ideas you are attacking the form of argument that you say I'm using. Sounds like a dishonest debate tactic. Maybe you are the post modernist? Your philosophy sounds like Savonarola bonfire of the vanities. A religeous version of stalinism if you ask me. All life must be a dedication to some sort of pure idealism as defined by you of which for some reason sport falls into that category. I'm glad you made friends through sport. Don't hate on people who build their social skills and make friends through gaming which I think has way more opportunities to meet and converse with new people.
Wow. One of the best replies I've ever read.
Savonarola? Did you get that out of thin air? And relate him to my sport arguements... sorry - there actually is a prominent philosopher that shares my views in this... and it’s not that guy.
My arguements Sound more like Plato to me... its about balance - with persists enriching mind body and soul. Gaming does nothing for the body or soul. And corrupts the mind.
So here is one of platos many quotes showing what I am saying fits much more in line with that - if you want to generalise:
Plato
Heres a nice little summary summarising platos mind body and spirit philosophy.
http://www.scandalon.co.uk/philosophy/plato_mind_body.htm
As the metaphor of thirst arises in above article - often gaming is an unquenchable thirst of the mind to ignore our very biology, and motivations for the physical existence. A trap for the mind that withers both body and spirit.
Tldr: if Americans still played sport in school as part of the school and compulsory - rather than just the “contracted youth athletes”... antifa and the likes would be checking their ego at the door. Much of the pussy generation is precisely due to the death of sport in many schools.