I can't really get on board with this. Adults who enter into economic transactions with full knowledge of what they're signing up for and the cost, need to pay their own bills.
Someone as someone who avoided that garbage and did very well via technical certifications rather than a college degree.
The pay off your student loan debt has been a swindle vote-purchasing plan long in the making.
I have a valid, deep disdain for the Left. However, I respect their demonstrated ability to conceive long term strategies and stick to them. I wish that I didn't have to admit that, but, dismiss your opponent's strengths at your peril. No team has ever walked off of the field hoisting a world-champ trophy that regularly dismissed their opponent's proven strengths or chose to avoid addressing how to neutralize them.
I've been away, tending to some of my other duties as a productive citizen of the republic, other than being on here...though, I got back here as quickly as I could.
I read your replies to others, and have varying amounts of agreement with their replies and your rejoinders, and I suppose that is an answer within a non-answer.
There are multiple manners in which to approach it. However, the fact there is no blood to squeeze out of the federal treasury turnip is the first-order impediment, as you noted in your last observation.
I replied to the original post with this:
"How about one better? Hit them all with a class action lawsuit detailing that students were sold a defective product under fraudulent pretexts..and in particular collusion with the federal government when they solely took over all student loan programs, thereby inflating costs, effectively turning the system in to the equivalent of the sub-prime mortgage scam, and to a great extent, effectively operating like a payday lending operation.
The Educational-Industrial Complex has proven to be as just a great a threat to our liberty as any M-I Complex that Ike ever envisioned."
Now, I am not a fan of the American proclivity to dance to the modern pop hit "Sue, Baby Sue." However, there is a time for almost everything, and there are times when lawsuits being lodged with the intent of delivering crushing punitive judgements have merit. This is one of those times. There is A LOT of blood in those campus turnips...because of the collusion of their confederates in the government to transfer wealth (albeit via further indebting the American public) to all of those schools via the intentionally-abused federal student loan program. To avoid typing a 20-page message about that--which would be easy to do--I will simply say that a case could be made that there has been a long-standing conspiracy to utilize the mechanism of the federally-subsidized student loan program to transfer wealth to the schools (the physical structures, the administration and staff, and their coffers) while knowingly burdening the student with a crushing debt and providing them with a product (a worthless degree) that doesn't do what they claimed it would do.
Yes, buyer beware. However, we also have consumer protections in place in so many other areas to protect unsuspecting buyers of getting swindled. And, kids get inundated from primary school on with the "go to college..." mantra, whether it is a good fit for them--and society--or not. Without developing the notion properly, to avoid this being any longer, I will leave it at that I don't see much difference between most payday loan operations and most of the country's institutions of indoctrination and 'indebtification.'
My feelings exactly. Paired with mandatory civil service in high school (non military, to shuffle people around the country and expose them to opportunities while they’re filling potholes and clearing trails on federal/state land) so that we get people who see the necessity of practical skills.
The legalize it debate has strong opinions on both sides in this forum. I don't have a dog in this fight so ill recuse myself from having an opinion either way.
This is one of those situations where rectifying previous debts is going to embitter the people who made good decisions. The fix for this is still market deregulation and antitrust action. The people who have those specialized degrees are stuck more because of a lack of opportunity because of their decision to specialize than the debt itself. That’s not even getting into state systems not having any money to give back to students in the first place, worse after Covid bullshit.
How about one better? Hit them all with a class action lawsuit detailing that students were sold a defective product under fraudulent pretexts..and in particular collusion with the federal government when they solely took over all student loan programs, thereby inflating costs, effectively turning the system in to the equivalent of the sub-prime mortgage scam, and to a great extent, effectively operating like a payday lending operation.
The Educational-Industrial Complex has proven to be as just a great a threat to our liberty as any M-I Complex that Ike ever envisioned.
I don't understand downvoting this. It's true. Also, professors don't make big money. Admins do. Firing useless layers of bureaucrats would benefit everyone.
I think when they made student loans exempt from bankruptcy, they drove the nails into the coffin. That caused a surge of cheaper student loans, even to stupid useless humanities, which caused a deluge of money to critical race theory and SJW shit, leading to the destruction of last remaining leftist braincells
Since the degrees would be cancelled, the former students are still on the hook for half, and it punishes the schools bigly, I'd be totally fucking on board with this. I'd even put the schools on the hook for the interest on the remaining 50% while the former student pays off the principle -- with no minimum payment requirements.
I can't really get on board with this. Adults who enter into economic transactions with full knowledge of what they're signing up for and the cost, need to pay their own bills.
Someone as someone who avoided that garbage and did very well via technical certifications rather than a college degree.
The pay off your student loan debt has been a swindle vote-purchasing plan long in the making.
I have a valid, deep disdain for the Left. However, I respect their demonstrated ability to conceive long term strategies and stick to them. I wish that I didn't have to admit that, but, dismiss your opponent's strengths at your peril. No team has ever walked off of the field hoisting a world-champ trophy that regularly dismissed their opponent's proven strengths or chose to avoid addressing how to neutralize them.
I respect you for acknowledging this. What do you think an effective counter-play would be?
I've been away, tending to some of my other duties as a productive citizen of the republic, other than being on here...though, I got back here as quickly as I could.
I read your replies to others, and have varying amounts of agreement with their replies and your rejoinders, and I suppose that is an answer within a non-answer.
There are multiple manners in which to approach it. However, the fact there is no blood to squeeze out of the federal treasury turnip is the first-order impediment, as you noted in your last observation.
I replied to the original post with this:
"How about one better? Hit them all with a class action lawsuit detailing that students were sold a defective product under fraudulent pretexts..and in particular collusion with the federal government when they solely took over all student loan programs, thereby inflating costs, effectively turning the system in to the equivalent of the sub-prime mortgage scam, and to a great extent, effectively operating like a payday lending operation.
The Educational-Industrial Complex has proven to be as just a great a threat to our liberty as any M-I Complex that Ike ever envisioned."
Now, I am not a fan of the American proclivity to dance to the modern pop hit "Sue, Baby Sue." However, there is a time for almost everything, and there are times when lawsuits being lodged with the intent of delivering crushing punitive judgements have merit. This is one of those times. There is A LOT of blood in those campus turnips...because of the collusion of their confederates in the government to transfer wealth (albeit via further indebting the American public) to all of those schools via the intentionally-abused federal student loan program. To avoid typing a 20-page message about that--which would be easy to do--I will simply say that a case could be made that there has been a long-standing conspiracy to utilize the mechanism of the federally-subsidized student loan program to transfer wealth to the schools (the physical structures, the administration and staff, and their coffers) while knowingly burdening the student with a crushing debt and providing them with a product (a worthless degree) that doesn't do what they claimed it would do.
Yes, buyer beware. However, we also have consumer protections in place in so many other areas to protect unsuspecting buyers of getting swindled. And, kids get inundated from primary school on with the "go to college..." mantra, whether it is a good fit for them--and society--or not. Without developing the notion properly, to avoid this being any longer, I will leave it at that I don't see much difference between most payday loan operations and most of the country's institutions of indoctrination and 'indebtification.'
Very well said, I think that framed in this way I can see the validity of tort as a remedy. Thank you for the response!
¡Con gusto, señor!
Free training for positions deemed vital to national security.
My feelings exactly. Paired with mandatory civil service in high school (non military, to shuffle people around the country and expose them to opportunities while they’re filling potholes and clearing trails on federal/state land) so that we get people who see the necessity of practical skills.
they will never legalize weed without being able to tax it.
This fren knows exactly how the government works.
The legalize it debate has strong opinions on both sides in this forum. I don't have a dog in this fight so ill recuse myself from having an opinion either way.
I agree. Regardless of what side of the aisle you’re on dogs shouldn’t be smoking weed.
This is one of those situations where rectifying previous debts is going to embitter the people who made good decisions. The fix for this is still market deregulation and antitrust action. The people who have those specialized degrees are stuck more because of a lack of opportunity because of their decision to specialize than the debt itself. That’s not even getting into state systems not having any money to give back to students in the first place, worse after Covid bullshit.
How about one better? Hit them all with a class action lawsuit detailing that students were sold a defective product under fraudulent pretexts..and in particular collusion with the federal government when they solely took over all student loan programs, thereby inflating costs, effectively turning the system in to the equivalent of the sub-prime mortgage scam, and to a great extent, effectively operating like a payday lending operation.
The Educational-Industrial Complex has proven to be as just a great a threat to our liberty as any M-I Complex that Ike ever envisioned.
I don't understand downvoting this. It's true. Also, professors don't make big money. Admins do. Firing useless layers of bureaucrats would benefit everyone.
I think when they made student loans exempt from bankruptcy, they drove the nails into the coffin. That caused a surge of cheaper student loans, even to stupid useless humanities, which caused a deluge of money to critical race theory and SJW shit, leading to the destruction of last remaining leftist braincells
If bankruptcy is allowed, the loan makers will take care of making sure its guaranteed or its in a field with good prospects
Class action lawsuit against universities for offering fraudulent degrees.
Universities will have to “settle” the debt.
STEM degrees likely less of an issue. University power structure returns to the productive departments fake SJW type departments marginalized
Kek
Free college for engineers and mathematicians only
Since the degrees would be cancelled, the former students are still on the hook for half, and it punishes the schools bigly, I'd be totally fucking on board with this. I'd even put the schools on the hook for the interest on the remaining 50% while the former student pays off the principle -- with no minimum payment requirements.
HELL NO! Instead all studies majors must write a ten page essay on why USA is the bestest country ever. A failing grade = gitmo.