This and Waco are all the evidence you need to know that the deep state existed and had just as much control over the media and people's perspective then as they do now.
In fact, I'd argue they had more back then as there was no internet so people couldn't nearly as easily verify facts as they can now. Back then, all you had were documentaries and sub-channel news which basically made you a "nutjob conspiracy theorist" and/or "the next Timothy McVeigh".
a quick search says:
"Even after his name was cleared with the help of a lawyer named Watson Bryant — even after domestic terrorist Eric Rudolph pleaded guilty to the Centennial Park bombing and three other attacks in 2005"
William Barr was Attorney General when Ruby Ridge occurred and after he left office, he spearheaded legal efforts to assure total immunity for the sniper who killed Mrs. Weaver and any federal sniper who behaved similarly.
I have to wonder why they (the Deep State) would ruin a simple man's life for their jollies. Blows my mind, unless he was just a scapegoat for inept investigation.
Remember the militia movement, before and after Waco and Weaver and Oklahoma City-? Many people today are convinced that militias were to blame and that they are now "illegal", thanks to the controlled media of that day.
Nope. We also had printed news letters that got copied and passed on so many time’s they got really hard to read. We definitely had means of communication outside if the mainstream. Some of us have been red pilled for a very long time.
If you ever look at Clinton's cabinet back then it was like the Freak Show at the circus. Reich, Reno, Shalala. And his advisors and campaign freaks, Little Steffy Stephanopolis, James the angry Frogman Carville.
That's directed at me. I met DK and he invited me out to his ranch when I was a teenager. One of his followers eventually ended up getting a female friend out there which caused the end of our relationship and sent her life in a bad direction. Those people were all crazy child-molesting pieces of shit. Sorry the government killed them but they had every chance to end it, unlike the Weavers. It's why I always resist lumping the two together. Weaver literally did nothing wrong.
I 110% agree with you. The dude deserved more than death, to be honest.
That being said, nothing excuses what the government did to the peripheral casualties. Nothing at all. Which is what I firmly believe was the dynamic they were trying to convey. To get the public to slowly accept when the government should step in when it comes to the individual.
Regardless, I'm extremely sorry for what happened to your friend.
And I agree with you. We locals were very supportive of the government agencies, as we all knew about them and their refusal to let CPS inspectors in. We learned the shit the government had done when Rules of Engagement came out, and it was a bitter red pill for most of us.
Thanks. She is alive and well now. I spoke to her a couple years ago. I just always want to get it on record that those fucking cultists were pieces of shit.
This was a horrible story during Bush/Reno era.. buried by MSM, and Rush limbaugh never really talked about it. You tube may have Chuck Harder or Harter episodes on this evil done to this family. The only redeeming feature was
Gerry Spence the Laywer really got some exposure of the evil done by the FBI. that's when I knew NEVER trust these people. If I recall Comey, Mueller, Barr, etc were all involved in this and most all of these fbi scum were promoted, given raises etc. Evil evil alphabet agency paid for by your tax dollars....
Damn. I've never heard of this story before. Thank you for the education good sir. That's fucking disgusting but unfortunately isn't surprising from our FBI.
My sentence leaves out context, or OP? I researched this after OP mentioned it. I was unaware of this event before today. It was disgusting how the feds handled this except for 1 person.
Yeah I agree. I did a mini dive for the time being and it totally seems like the letters tried to set dude up. Multiple undercover attempts, parole officer fucking his hearing date over. Idk if the original "threat" was real, but seems like if it was they wouldn't need to go to the lengths they did. Even after all that, the order to shoot any armed adult on sight was beyond fucked up.
If memory serves, an FBI informant pushed to sell Weaver a shotgun that was not sawed off, but shortened to below the legal limit while looking like a factory barrel. Weaver ended up buying it just to help the guy out, and the court dates Weaver missed were because he didn't know about them or was told a different date on purpose.
Thank you. And I agree with you that I don't believe it either. Scarier still is how the "official" story has changed over the years .
I'm certain that what you said above is well-sourced, but I am equally certain that at one point they accused him of having "sawed-off" shotguns though no sawing had ever taken place. It was a term they used to the courts and the media to paint a picture.
Lots of evidence out there that the entrenched bureaucracy is not to be trusted.
Dude moved out with his fam in Idaho to be like “leave us alone we don’t trust the government”. They didn’t like that he bragged about having a lot of guns, etc. Got him on selling a gun illegally (was basically entrapment). He didn’t show up to court. They go on his property illegally and shoot the family dog. 14yo shoots back at unknown trespasser. They end up shooting the 14yo in the back and killing him. Snipers shooting at the door of house shoot and kill the mother (while she was holding the 10 month old). After a stand off eventually he’s arrested and sent to jail. All of this over a failure to appear in court for then “catching” him doing something that was barely wrong. Then Barr defends the sniper that murdered the mom. Press spins it as “dangerous white supremacists” deserves what they got.
Yup. I’m from the area. True Idaho natives have not forgotten ruby ridge, and the anti-gov sentiment runs strong. Now if all these faggot transplants can figure it out it would be real nice.
Ruby Ridge, Waco, & the OKC bombing were spun with the same narrative the left is using to justify their BS today: nazis/white supremacists are everywhere, owning guns & being a militia are evil, if you don’t live on the grid & let us track you then you’re a danger to society.
I disagree, and think it goes back to JFK assassination. When you go down that rabbithole, you come up with lots of ties between the cia, organized crime and titans of industry as well as top us govt players.
ATF the guys trying to disarm you have been involved in the murder of many Americans but the disarmament is for "our safety" I hope President Trump brings the hammer on those cucks this next term.
it was after Waco I learned what the term "jitterbug" meant when it came to military tanks
“Jitterbugging” was used by US forces in Vietnam for a method of collapsing tunnels using a tank—by parking on top of the underground tunnels, and rotating the vehicle in place on it’s treads, or putting it in “neutral” and gunning the engine
at Waco, the FBI KNEW women and children had fled into underground tunnels
they jitterbugged the Waco tunnels on purpose, killing them all
She was opening the door for her husband who was under fire and running back to the house. They were burying their teenage son who was "mistakenly shot". In the back.
US marshalls were illegally on the property trying to figure out how they were going to arrest Weaver. The dog started barking at them hiding in the bushes, so they shot the dog. The boys returned fire on their own property at people who had not identified themselves, and then ran. Marshalls shot the boy in the back.
This and Waco are all the evidence you need to know that the deep state existed and had just as much control over the media and people's perspective then as they do now.
In fact, I'd argue they had more back then as there was no internet so people couldn't nearly as easily verify facts as they can now. Back then, all you had were documentaries and sub-channel news which basically made you a "nutjob conspiracy theorist" and/or "the next Timothy McVeigh".
I would argue it’s the greatest example.
There’s simply no disputing the fact that the guy was a hero.
And who was Richard Jewell's lawyer that beat the deep state government and got him millions?
please say no.. there is no fucking way.
a quick search says: "Even after his name was cleared with the help of a lawyer named Watson Bryant — even after domestic terrorist Eric Rudolph pleaded guilty to the Centennial Park bombing and three other attacks in 2005"
edit: https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1205317775088070656
seems so
Yes. It’s true pede.
Common knowledge on the Donald. Where ya been?
https://media0.giphy.com/media/Lcn0yF1RcLANG/giphy.gif
Mind. Blown. Respect levels magnified 1000!
Here is some more.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/william-barrs-connection-to-ruby-ridge-defending-fbi-snipers/
Daaaamn
Same person saving Kyle from the deep state ....
And he won for Nick Sandmann too
Don't forget McCarthy.
Even today he's spun as an insane conspiracy theorist.
Now AntiFa, literal communist terrorists, are burning our cities down. And we're told they're the good guys by the Democrats and MSM in power.
McCarthy was right
“McCarthy was right” is my WiFi router’s password at the house. Make my wife and daughter remember that little tidbit of fact every time they log in.
Guess what the admin password is to change the login password?...that only I know.
“Islam is right about women” Lol.
We are all Joseph McCarthy.
Great movie
I have to wonder why they (the Deep State) would ruin a simple man's life for their jollies. Blows my mind, unless he was just a scapegoat for inept investigation.
To cover up their own inept/corrupt/criminal actions. Someone needed to go down. Sad, but true
Remember the militia movement, before and after Waco and Weaver and Oklahoma City-? Many people today are convinced that militias were to blame and that they are now "illegal", thanks to the controlled media of that day.
Side note: Militias are constitutionally protected. Abortion is not.
I remember the federal agents posing for trophy pictures on top of the debris of the Waco Compound. Fuck these people.
Oh yeah... and didn’t the building have a lot of Clinton whitewater scandal records or something?
no wonder obongo is so afraid of the internet, is not only about covering big mikes testes
Nope. We also had printed news letters that got copied and passed on so many time’s they got really hard to read. We definitely had means of communication outside if the mainstream. Some of us have been red pilled for a very long time.
I was born red-pilled. I have spent the last few years feeling relieved that other people finally get it.
get what? plz explain. /kek
Those would be part of what I was referring to when I said "sub-channel" news.
and he was:)
Fuck Janet Reno. May she burn in hell along with that fucking cunt RBG.
If you ever look at Clinton's cabinet back then it was like the Freak Show at the circus. Reich, Reno, Shalala. And his advisors and campaign freaks, Little Steffy Stephanopolis, James the angry Frogman Carville.
It's typically that way for all leftists, but have to hand it to Billy boy for having the cream of the freakshow crop!
I forget, was it Janet Reno or Jack Reno, from the pictures, it confuses me.
kek
Yes
All this and nobody has mentioned Bill Barr's role in it?
Wow didn’t know that thanks.
Pretty sure OP is hinting at that subtly, when people look it up they’ll say what the deuce!
He's a fucking snake in the grass. Hopefully Daddy Trump is aware...
For the people coming here ready to go hard on Koresh and the like:
-YES dude was a fucking puke. No way around that. A lot of people like that are.
-It isn't about one man's character. It's simply about STATE V INDIVIDUAL. That's it.
-This has and always will be about exactly what the state will do to excuse itself and justify its actions. This is where your attention is needed.
That's directed at me. I met DK and he invited me out to his ranch when I was a teenager. One of his followers eventually ended up getting a female friend out there which caused the end of our relationship and sent her life in a bad direction. Those people were all crazy child-molesting pieces of shit. Sorry the government killed them but they had every chance to end it, unlike the Weavers. It's why I always resist lumping the two together. Weaver literally did nothing wrong.
I 110% agree with you. The dude deserved more than death, to be honest.
That being said, nothing excuses what the government did to the peripheral casualties. Nothing at all. Which is what I firmly believe was the dynamic they were trying to convey. To get the public to slowly accept when the government should step in when it comes to the individual.
Regardless, I'm extremely sorry for what happened to your friend.
And I agree with you. We locals were very supportive of the government agencies, as we all knew about them and their refusal to let CPS inspectors in. We learned the shit the government had done when Rules of Engagement came out, and it was a bitter red pill for most of us.
Thanks. She is alive and well now. I spoke to her a couple years ago. I just always want to get it on record that those fucking cultists were pieces of shit.
B...b....buuuuutttt what about muh rank ‘n file?
And then came Waco, Texas
Fun fact! Bill Barr defended that sniper pro-bono! Gotta protect that swamp!
Barr is cancer
Yes he is. I’ll admit I was fooled by Durham but I’ve known about Barr being swamp since Ruby Ridge.
Wasn’t Bill Barr involved in this and Waco? Correct me if I’m wrong...
He was, hes deep state trash. Hes anti gun and pro red flag laws. He needs to be fired ASAP.
Not wrong.
This was a horrible story during Bush/Reno era.. buried by MSM, and Rush limbaugh never really talked about it. You tube may have Chuck Harder or Harter episodes on this evil done to this family. The only redeeming feature was Gerry Spence the Laywer really got some exposure of the evil done by the FBI. that's when I knew NEVER trust these people. If I recall Comey, Mueller, Barr, etc were all involved in this and most all of these fbi scum were promoted, given raises etc. Evil evil alphabet agency paid for by your tax dollars....
Ruby ridge happened under bush, not clinton.
Thanks. Updated pist.
Check out "Unintended Consequences" by John Ross. If you can find it.
Ross gives a pretty faithful account of Ruby Ridge.
The story is interspersed with other storylines, but the specifics start on pg 455 of the Accurate Press trade paperback. (sorry for the autism.)
Bill Clinton's legacy
u r a n i u m
Um... This is a creepy pic... Was it taken by the sniper? Who the f takes pictures like this?
Damn. I've never heard of this story before. Thank you for the education good sir. That's fucking disgusting but unfortunately isn't surprising from our FBI.
My sentence leaves out context, or OP? I researched this after OP mentioned it. I was unaware of this event before today. It was disgusting how the feds handled this except for 1 person.
Yeah I agree. I did a mini dive for the time being and it totally seems like the letters tried to set dude up. Multiple undercover attempts, parole officer fucking his hearing date over. Idk if the original "threat" was real, but seems like if it was they wouldn't need to go to the lengths they did. Even after all that, the order to shoot any armed adult on sight was beyond fucked up.
What was the story here?
These people were holed up for 11 days? That whole situation is messed up.
If he still in prison?
Wow. If only we had a fair and honest media in America to cover this stuff.
If memory serves, an FBI informant pushed to sell Weaver a shotgun that was not sawed off, but shortened to below the legal limit while looking like a factory barrel. Weaver ended up buying it just to help the guy out, and the court dates Weaver missed were because he didn't know about them or was told a different date on purpose.
Thank you. And I agree with you that I don't believe it either. Scarier still is how the "official" story has changed over the years .
I'm certain that what you said above is well-sourced, but I am equally certain that at one point they accused him of having "sawed-off" shotguns though no sawing had ever taken place. It was a term they used to the courts and the media to paint a picture.
Lots of evidence out there that the entrenched bureaucracy is not to be trusted.
Dude moved out with his fam in Idaho to be like “leave us alone we don’t trust the government”. They didn’t like that he bragged about having a lot of guns, etc. Got him on selling a gun illegally (was basically entrapment). He didn’t show up to court. They go on his property illegally and shoot the family dog. 14yo shoots back at unknown trespasser. They end up shooting the 14yo in the back and killing him. Snipers shooting at the door of house shoot and kill the mother (while she was holding the 10 month old). After a stand off eventually he’s arrested and sent to jail. All of this over a failure to appear in court for then “catching” him doing something that was barely wrong. Then Barr defends the sniper that murdered the mom. Press spins it as “dangerous white supremacists” deserves what they got.
Wow. That’s terrible.
Yup. I’m from the area. True Idaho natives have not forgotten ruby ridge, and the anti-gov sentiment runs strong. Now if all these faggot transplants can figure it out it would be real nice.
Ruby Ridge, Waco, & the OKC bombing were spun with the same narrative the left is using to justify their BS today: nazis/white supremacists are everywhere, owning guns & being a militia are evil, if you don’t live on the grid & let us track you then you’re a danger to society.
It makes me nervous that a name that comes up in this case as well as Waco is none other than William Barr
I started my red pill journey in my 30s learning about Islam. Fully red pilled by 40. Black pill journey in progress.
Well, Bush '41 did decree "a New World Order" once Reagan was tucked away into retirement.
Bush, Clinton, and Obama families are all of the same movement, same policies. Change my mind.
Abolish the FBI
Muh ranknfile FBI agents have proven recently they will shoot you dead on orders. Ask LeVoy Finnicum.
Why does the fbi(enemy of the people) still exist. SCATTER THE FBI INTO THE FUCKING WIND. FIRE BARR, THAT FAT HOG.
I disagree, and think it goes back to JFK assassination. When you go down that rabbithole, you come up with lots of ties between the cia, organized crime and titans of industry as well as top us govt players.
And wasn’t Bill Barr instrumental in making sure none of those agents were charged? POS deep state operative.
ATF the guys trying to disarm you have been involved in the murder of many Americans but the disarmament is for "our safety" I hope President Trump brings the hammer on those cucks this next term.
I remember that well.
it was after Waco I learned what the term "jitterbug" meant when it came to military tanks
“Jitterbugging” was used by US forces in Vietnam for a method of collapsing tunnels using a tank—by parking on top of the underground tunnels, and rotating the vehicle in place on it’s treads, or putting it in “neutral” and gunning the engine
at Waco, the FBI KNEW women and children had fled into underground tunnels
they jitterbugged the Waco tunnels on purpose, killing them all
Several personnel involved with the Waco siege were also involved with Ruby Ridge.
I think they killed his son and dog too, right?
Lon? Is that you?
She was opening the door for her husband who was under fire and running back to the house. They were burying their teenage son who was "mistakenly shot". In the back.
Except your facts are consistently untrue.
US marshalls were illegally on the property trying to figure out how they were going to arrest Weaver. The dog started barking at them hiding in the bushes, so they shot the dog. The boys returned fire on their own property at people who had not identified themselves, and then ran. Marshalls shot the boy in the back.