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Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
The difference is owing allegiance, and sedition is much more wide ranging, including delaying execution of law.
I had a definition for levying war back on The_Donald but that post is gone now.
18 U.S. Code § 2385. Advocating overthrow of Government
Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or
Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or
Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.
You are of course, correct. Treason was specifically defined in the Constitution as "giving aid and comfort to the enemy", so you have to be at War to have an enemy.
Therefore, it is sedition. However, the Pedes here are just using the term as synonymous with a nefarious, Republic and freedom destroying act. They're not using it as a legal term in a court.
Article III.3
"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. "
It's sedition certainly, and I'm sure we could get insurrection thrown in as well. But Treason is still a higher bar to prove. We have to prove that they were aiding an active enemy. Now I know that every one of us immediately pointed right at China just now, but that involves proving enough hostility exists to define China as an enemy. I wouldn't say that it's impossible, but it is a much harder sell. And a prosecutor might want to go for the more certain convictions.
On a historical note, there's a good reason treason is narrowly defined and made hard to prosecute. The founders did not want charges of treason to be easy to throw around, since beforehand, treason generally meant, "the king doesn't like you." Needless to say, we had problems with that definition.
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We are at war for the soul and future of America. We are being subverted by outside nations and attacked by Commies within. Just because no one is shooting does not mean the war hasn’t started.
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You're 100% wrong
United States Code at 18 U.S.C. § 2381
There are no caveats
just ask Mary Surratt
We do not need to be in a state of declared war for enemies to declare war on us.
18 U.S. Code § 2384.Seditious conspiracy
The difference is owing allegiance, and sedition is much more wide ranging, including delaying execution of law.
I had a definition for levying war back on The_Donald but that post is gone now.
I'll throw this into the mix too then. it doesn't even need to be sedition or treason
The Alien Registration Act (1940), popularly known as the Smith Act.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2385
18 U.S. Code § 2385. Advocating overthrow of Government
Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or
Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or
Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.
What was the end date of the war on terror?
I don't think it ever ended.
Do the gallows care?
wait wait wait...do they actually identify as "gallows" we don't want to assume anything now
It's fucking war. People have been killed.
We’re always at war. It’s treason you fool.
You are of course, correct. Treason was specifically defined in the Constitution as "giving aid and comfort to the enemy", so you have to be at War to have an enemy.
Therefore, it is sedition. However, the Pedes here are just using the term as synonymous with a nefarious, Republic and freedom destroying act. They're not using it as a legal term in a court.
Article III.3 "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. "
How does one declare war against the United States? Does a vast conspiracy to burn down cities kill people and remove the President from office count?
It's sedition certainly, and I'm sure we could get insurrection thrown in as well. But Treason is still a higher bar to prove. We have to prove that they were aiding an active enemy. Now I know that every one of us immediately pointed right at China just now, but that involves proving enough hostility exists to define China as an enemy. I wouldn't say that it's impossible, but it is a much harder sell. And a prosecutor might want to go for the more certain convictions.
On a historical note, there's a good reason treason is narrowly defined and made hard to prosecute. The founders did not want charges of treason to be easy to throw around, since beforehand, treason generally meant, "the king doesn't like you." Needless to say, we had problems with that definition.
No. You don't need to prove they are aiding an active enemy, if they are themselves the enemy they are aiding.
Well, your nation's leader or Congressional body would declare a war or simply invade. However, you have to be a state actor to do that.
If you are a citizen attempting to overthrow the government, that's called sedition.
GFY, troll!
It doesn't have to be in time of war, I don't think. It just has to include betrayal with the benefit of another country... ?CoughChinaCough
We're at war with NK. NK is a Chinese asset. Dominion contains Chinese software.
Treason.
Sure does FEEL like war over here, lol.
Aren’t will still in a “war on terror”
Technically we are still at war.
There's a core disconnect between "common use" and "historical use" and "legal definition of specific crime".
Much like "Red" is a specific color and a color category vaguely covering some 1/3 of all colors.
And: There's two separate legal definitions.
aren't we still at war?
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We are at war for the soul and future of America. We are being subverted by outside nations and attacked by Commies within. Just because no one is shooting does not mean the war hasn’t started.
Technically Trump did say we were at war with the chicom virus
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We're always at war so i can't see how that would hold. The deep state made sure we stayed in Syria so we're at least still at war there.
Treason
WRONG
Enjoy the gallows, cuck
Apparently they did conspire with Venezuela to overthrow the US government, and possibly China, too. So Treason works.
It's obvious that your projecting.