What likely happened is they have like 150% turnout. So someone went in and likely broke the law by zeroing out all of that registration data to try and get the election certified and get this past us.
It’s an excel sheet, someone with access to the file may be able to tell who made these edits.
And yet, still the two democrats wanted to certify. How is it possible to have poisonous corruption from the bottom to the top of all levels of the democrats... and in all regions and zones?
Like, if I went to my local DNC office here in Texas would I immediately be asked to leave since I won't lie?
How is it possible to have poisonous corruption from the bottom to the top of all levels of the democrats... and in all regions and zones?
You have to understand what we’re really looking out here.
I’m not sure I buy the Nancy Pelosi was a smoke-filled room with George Soros figuring out how they can steal the election angle.
What I believe is that we have a massive, and I mean fucking massive underpinned psychological nudge to hate the President of the United States. that and I don’t use this word lately so many people are brainwashed into hating Trump, the any bad thing you do to the bad man is a positive.
I believe there’s so many people across the country overlooked things, made a little fraud, changed a few things here and there, accidentally hit zero, it’s all justified because the opponent is a fascist Nazi who wants to kill everyone.
Watch the guy freaking out about the Palmer not certifying. he calls her racist he calls her naughty he calls her a fascist, anything he does or says is morally justified to him.
Seems like a whole new level of incompetence to scrub those registration numbers by replacing them with 0s and not, I dunno, [vote count + random number.]
Help me understand this part. From what I found on https://www.a2gov.org/departments/city-clerk/Elections/Pages/ElectionInspectors.aspx it leads me to believe that the AVCB's wouldn't have registered voters anyway so they'd be a 0. It's "like" a precinct but isn't. I'm probably wrong but would like a pede that does know better to 'splain it to me.
"Absentee Voter Count Board – The AVCB operates like a precinct except, instead of processing voters, the election inspectors process and tabulate all of the absentee ballots. AVCB workers are sequestered in City Hall from 8:00 AM – until the last ballot has been processed, typically 10:00 PM or later."
No, they are hiding the number of registered voters because they don't want anyone to see that the number of people that voted out number the number of registered voters.
Imagine if there are 1900 registered voters in AVCB 32 but 2200 voted that would be too obvious, so they hide the registered voters to avoid this issue
I think that the AVCB sections cover more than one precinct, not sure why its organized like that but it is. Perhaps more information can be gleaned from the older 2016 data for the election but honestly if this was anything people would have brought it up in 2016... like deleting the data from an excel sheet is such a stupid way to potentially cheat lol...
But if you look at the 2016 data you can see Wayne county had 788,459 voters whereas in the 2020 election it only had 878,102 voters (a difference of 89,643)... so the turn out is barely higher.
It's also interesting to see the number of registered voters barely increased from 2016 to 2020 (a difference of 70,732 votes):
2016: 1,335,623
2020: 1,406,355
Technically you could argue that they are adding a small percentage of additional votes (like ~20%) in a lot of super blue counties that will go Biden anyways in order to increase their overall lead, which would be interesting if you could prove it... Which spoiler alert, you won't be able to prove any of this especially if this was all done in a decentralized fashion by individual groups or persons without any communication between them...
They need to produce actual evidence or just stop this its all really cringey at this point. If only Trump had been President for the last several years with a Republican Senate perhaps he could have attempted to implement some better voting systems....... oh wait.
Detroit has 500 something precincts. Some as small as 1 voter.
They are all lumped together and distributed among 134 absent voter counting boards at the TCF Center downtown Detroit.
This is a big nothing burger
Okay yeah that is what I figured. I don't get how so many people can't bother to do like 15 mins of research to realize how stupid this line of questioning is.
Detroit is the only precincts that do it this way in MI if you're correct. If 178k of them are registered on the rolls reporting all registered voters, this amount will push voter turn out WAYYYYY past 100%
You’re wrong.
There are 503 precincts in Detroit. Some as small as 1 registered voter.
They lump the absentee ballots from theses 503 precincts into a big pile, and distribute them among 134 absent voter counting boards.
If you’re in Dearborn or Melvindale your absentee ballot will (usually) be counted by your precinct, but if you’re in one of city of Detroit’s precincts, your counting will be done at the TCF Center in downtown Detroit.
Because nobody is a registered voter to the TCF centre, the registered voters for AV Counting board 113 will be set as 0.
Ok so here’s my breakdown.
I just watched Crowder doing a breakdown on these numbers, shame he’s wrong.
There are two ways to vote, either in person on Election Day (registered as Election Day in the table) or via absentee ballots (registered as AV counting board in table)
Usually the “suburbs” in Wayne county is a bit more Trump friendly that in the city of Detroit.
There are 1,406,355 registered voters in Wayne county, 311,408 voted in person on Election Day (22,14%) and 566,694 (40,3%) via absentee ballot, including the votes cast in OPs table, a total voter turnout of 62,44% Nothing strange.
City of Detroit has 503 precincts, some of them with only 1 registered voter (like precinct 109 and 148).
The problem here is that they collect all the absentee ballots from these 503 precincts, and distribute them among 134 absent vote counting boards.
As long as the total of votes (878,102) cast isn’t higher than the number of registered voters (1,406,355) there is unfortunately not much more data to extract from this.
As I wrote earlier, I’m on mobile. I tried to manually count the registered voters in the 503 precincts, but gave up after around 200, with ~210k registered voters.
This is a plausible scenario, and I need more data before I can say “foul play” like Crowder did.
As far as I can see, this is a big nothing burger.
Wayne County did not match these Detroit "mail in voters" with the district that they live in. However, other districts other than Detroit within Wayne County could match their mail in voters with their district. "0 registered voters, 173,000 votes in Wayne county!!" is fake as shit headline and will discourage people who still trust some of the garbage headlines here.
You don't know what you're talking about. All absentee ballots must be matched to a registered voter to whom an absentee ballot was sent. So not only do you have to match a ballot to a district, but to the actual registered voter who is in the district!
For every precinct the total number of registered voters is reflected in both the election day and AVCB rows to show the percentage of turnout for each method. Even in the snapshot posted above, notice how there are ZERO registered voters in the precinct's election day or AVCB rows.
Here is the actual explanation: In Wayne County, when a city has more than a certain number of precincts, the absentee ballots are processed in batches and not associated with a specific district. In smaller cities, they are associated directly with the district. Shady for sure, but that's why it looks this way.
Because they had to rush to create them in the middle of the night when they saw Trump's lead. There are several signed affidavits from witnesses saying these ballots were dropped off in open bins instead of sealed ballot boxes, with no markings indicating where they were from. The witnesses also stated that they saw thousands of votes being entered with random names and bdays of 1/1/1900 when they didn't match to anyone on the voter list.
AVCB means Absent voter counting board.
I don’t think you register as an absent voter in Wayne county, but I might be wrong.
I’ll see if I can find the 2016 results, and see if they file it the same way.
On the bottom of the last page you’ll find the summary of the votes, and only ~62% of the registered voters in Wayne county did cast a vote (~22% on Election Day, and ~40% absentee)
I fail to see any strange with these numbers
Still doesn’t undermine what I’m saying.
The 15% turnout rate Crowder is talking about for City of Detroit, is only a tad smaller than the average rate of Wayne country which is lower than the suburbs (predominantly white republicans).
Which is consistent with the rest of the country; Dems tended to vote absentee, republicans voted in person on Election Day.
The big problem is why weren’t the absentee ballots for city of Detroit counted under their correct precinct?
It’s impossible to audit these numbers, if you don’t know from where (which precinct) the absentee ballot was cast from.
So you have average 22% Election Day turnout in Wayne county. Around 15-18% in Detroit, and about 30-35% in the suburbs. The rest are absentee ballots.
I still don’t see any strange with these numbers, other than that the AVCB should definitely be connected to the correct precinct for us to be able to correctly audit them.
Right, Crowder comparing 15% to 80% was entirely wrong. were those 15% were in person only, in the 85% were in person plus absentee when they were counted to the correct precinct.
So it’s a good question, why were only some pre-sinks counting their own absent tea, and others were counted in some nebulous zero registered voters black hole?
They did the same in 2016, and it’s done to save resources.
Precinct 109 has 1 registered voter. Do you want to have at least 3 paid election workers waiting for this one vote that may or may not turn up in the mail?
There’s a possible solution though, making it more transparent. If you decide witch AVCB gets which precincts, like precinct 1-8 gets AVCB 1, you can with ease calculate the amount of registered voters and voter turnout for that AVCB.
Look at the entire list and educate yourself before you try to discredit the information. For every precinct the total number of registered voters is reflected in both the election day and AVCB rows to show the percentage of turnout for each method. Even in the snapshot posted above, notice how there are ZERO registered voters in the precinct's election day or AVCB rows.
If you live in the city of Detroit (eg precinct 109 out of 504). Your absentee ballot was not sent to your precinct, it was sent to TCF center in downtown Detroit, where it ended up on a random (1-134) counting boards and registered and counted.
There are many very small precincts in Detroit, 109 has 1 registered voter.
To make counting easier for themself, they lump all city of Detroit precincts into one centralised election center, and do all the counting there.
Yea, there are 503 regular precincts for the City of Detroit and there are only 134 of the AVCB precincts. So the AVCB precincts don't have specific registration numbers apparently.
Absent voter counting board. They had 134 of them in Wayne county.
Not sure if they had one board for each precinct, but I guess they just divided all the absentee ballots between them and started counting.
Each precinct had it's own AVCB totals and election day totals. So each precinct would report it's own election day totals and AV totals. These must have been unused or made up precincts, but for whatever reason there were no voters registered to them so they entered the fake ballots that didn't match registered voters to those precincts.
If you live in the city of Detroit (eg precinct 100 out of 504). Your absentee ballot was not sent to your precinct, it was sent to TCF center in downtown Detroit, where it ended up on a random (1-134) counting boards and registered and counted.
I’m on mobile, so I can’t check for myself, but what do you get if you add all of the Election Day ballots from Detroit precinct where we have no absentee voter data?
We know from Crowder that the total votes from the 134 AVCBs are around 170k, so with a 20% voter day turnout, and a 45% absentee ballot the registered voters in these precincts should be 170 000/0,45 = ~380k
Can anybody confirm?
All these precincts had literally zero registered voters? That's pretty implausible too, right?
They had registered voters.
What likely happened is they have like 150% turnout. So someone went in and likely broke the law by zeroing out all of that registration data to try and get the election certified and get this past us.
It’s an excel sheet, someone with access to the file may be able to tell who made these edits.
And yet, still the two democrats wanted to certify. How is it possible to have poisonous corruption from the bottom to the top of all levels of the democrats... and in all regions and zones?
Like, if I went to my local DNC office here in Texas would I immediately be asked to leave since I won't lie?
You have to understand what we’re really looking out here.
I’m not sure I buy the Nancy Pelosi was a smoke-filled room with George Soros figuring out how they can steal the election angle.
What I believe is that we have a massive, and I mean fucking massive underpinned psychological nudge to hate the President of the United States. that and I don’t use this word lately so many people are brainwashed into hating Trump, the any bad thing you do to the bad man is a positive.
I believe there’s so many people across the country overlooked things, made a little fraud, changed a few things here and there, accidentally hit zero, it’s all justified because the opponent is a fascist Nazi who wants to kill everyone.
Watch the guy freaking out about the Palmer not certifying. he calls her racist he calls her naughty he calls her a fascist, anything he does or says is morally justified to him.
The DNC should be outlawed. If there's good Democrats they can join us or go third party.
Absent voter counting boards. Don’t think they had numbers of absentees on each board, I might be wrong.
Seems like a whole new level of incompetence to scrub those registration numbers by replacing them with 0s and not, I dunno, [vote count + random number.]
These are AVCB precinct data, "Absentee Voter Control Board"...
They could be zero because they just sent every person absentee ballots.
full document here
Casperian-American Lives(?) Matter
Ghosts are white, so leftists should be on board right??
Help me understand this part. From what I found on https://www.a2gov.org/departments/city-clerk/Elections/Pages/ElectionInspectors.aspx it leads me to believe that the AVCB's wouldn't have registered voters anyway so they'd be a 0. It's "like" a precinct but isn't. I'm probably wrong but would like a pede that does know better to 'splain it to me.
"Absentee Voter Count Board – The AVCB operates like a precinct except, instead of processing voters, the election inspectors process and tabulate all of the absentee ballots. AVCB workers are sequestered in City Hall from 8:00 AM – until the last ballot has been processed, typically 10:00 PM or later."
No, they are hiding the number of registered voters because they don't want anyone to see that the number of people that voted out number the number of registered voters.
Imagine if there are 1900 registered voters in AVCB 32 but 2200 voted that would be too obvious, so they hide the registered voters to avoid this issue
No I think the previous two guys are right, this also happened in the 2016 election: https://www.waynecounty.com/documents/clerk/1611BLTL.pdf
I think that the AVCB sections cover more than one precinct, not sure why its organized like that but it is. Perhaps more information can be gleaned from the older 2016 data for the election but honestly if this was anything people would have brought it up in 2016... like deleting the data from an excel sheet is such a stupid way to potentially cheat lol...
But if you look at the 2016 data you can see Wayne county had 788,459 voters whereas in the 2020 election it only had 878,102 voters (a difference of 89,643)... so the turn out is barely higher.
It's also interesting to see the number of registered voters barely increased from 2016 to 2020 (a difference of 70,732 votes): 2016: 1,335,623 2020: 1,406,355
Technically you could argue that they are adding a small percentage of additional votes (like ~20%) in a lot of super blue counties that will go Biden anyways in order to increase their overall lead, which would be interesting if you could prove it... Which spoiler alert, you won't be able to prove any of this especially if this was all done in a decentralized fashion by individual groups or persons without any communication between them...
They need to produce actual evidence or just stop this its all really cringey at this point. If only Trump had been President for the last several years with a Republican Senate perhaps he could have attempted to implement some better voting systems....... oh wait.
Detroit has 500 something precincts. Some as small as 1 voter. They are all lumped together and distributed among 134 absent voter counting boards at the TCF Center downtown Detroit. This is a big nothing burger
Okay yeah that is what I figured. I don't get how so many people can't bother to do like 15 mins of research to realize how stupid this line of questioning is.
Detroit is the only precincts that do it this way in MI if you're correct. If 178k of them are registered on the rolls reporting all registered voters, this amount will push voter turn out WAYYYYY past 100%
Once your request is received by the local clerk, your signature on the request will be checked against your voter registration record before a ballot is issued. You must be a registered voter to receive an absent voter ballot, but you can register and apply for an absent voter ballot at the same time. Requests for absent voter ballots are processed immediately. Absent voter ballots may be issued to you at your home address or any address outside of your city or township of residence.
You're wrong. Look at the entire list: https://www.waynecounty.com/elected/clerk/election-results.aspx
The total number of registered voters for each county is reflected in the election day and AVCB rows.
You’re wrong. There are 503 precincts in Detroit. Some as small as 1 registered voter. They lump the absentee ballots from theses 503 precincts into a big pile, and distribute them among 134 absent voter counting boards.
If you’re in Dearborn or Melvindale your absentee ballot will (usually) be counted by your precinct, but if you’re in one of city of Detroit’s precincts, your counting will be done at the TCF Center in downtown Detroit. Because nobody is a registered voter to the TCF centre, the registered voters for AV Counting board 113 will be set as 0.
This
Crowder's morning stream today goes over the data.
Ok so here’s my breakdown. I just watched Crowder doing a breakdown on these numbers, shame he’s wrong.
There are two ways to vote, either in person on Election Day (registered as Election Day in the table) or via absentee ballots (registered as AV counting board in table)
Usually the “suburbs” in Wayne county is a bit more Trump friendly that in the city of Detroit.
There are 1,406,355 registered voters in Wayne county, 311,408 voted in person on Election Day (22,14%) and 566,694 (40,3%) via absentee ballot, including the votes cast in OPs table, a total voter turnout of 62,44% Nothing strange.
City of Detroit has 503 precincts, some of them with only 1 registered voter (like precinct 109 and 148). The problem here is that they collect all the absentee ballots from these 503 precincts, and distribute them among 134 absent vote counting boards.
As long as the total of votes (878,102) cast isn’t higher than the number of registered voters (1,406,355) there is unfortunately not much more data to extract from this.
As I wrote earlier, I’m on mobile. I tried to manually count the registered voters in the 503 precincts, but gave up after around 200, with ~210k registered voters. This is a plausible scenario, and I need more data before I can say “foul play” like Crowder did.
As far as I can see, this is a big nothing burger.
Wayne County did not match these Detroit "mail in voters" with the district that they live in. However, other districts other than Detroit within Wayne County could match their mail in voters with their district. "0 registered voters, 173,000 votes in Wayne county!!" is fake as shit headline and will discourage people who still trust some of the garbage headlines here.
You don't know what you're talking about. All absentee ballots must be matched to a registered voter to whom an absentee ballot was sent. So not only do you have to match a ballot to a district, but to the actual registered voter who is in the district!
For every precinct the total number of registered voters is reflected in both the election day and AVCB rows to show the percentage of turnout for each method. Even in the snapshot posted above, notice how there are ZERO registered voters in the precinct's election day or AVCB rows.
https://www.waynecounty.com/elected/clerk/election-results.aspx
Here is the actual explanation: In Wayne County, when a city has more than a certain number of precincts, the absentee ballots are processed in batches and not associated with a specific district. In smaller cities, they are associated directly with the district. Shady for sure, but that's why it looks this way.
Why in the world would they not make sure the absentee voters were registered?
Seriously, this stinks to high heaven
Because they had to rush to create them in the middle of the night when they saw Trump's lead. There are several signed affidavits from witnesses saying these ballots were dropped off in open bins instead of sealed ballot boxes, with no markings indicating where they were from. The witnesses also stated that they saw thousands of votes being entered with random names and bdays of 1/1/1900 when they didn't match to anyone on the voter list.
AVCB means Absent voter counting board. I don’t think you register as an absent voter in Wayne county, but I might be wrong. I’ll see if I can find the 2016 results, and see if they file it the same way. On the bottom of the last page you’ll find the summary of the votes, and only ~62% of the registered voters in Wayne county did cast a vote (~22% on Election Day, and ~40% absentee) I fail to see any strange with these numbers
Steve crowder gives a good explanation. skip to 20 minutes in the video.
Still doesn’t undermine what I’m saying. The 15% turnout rate Crowder is talking about for City of Detroit, is only a tad smaller than the average rate of Wayne country which is lower than the suburbs (predominantly white republicans). Which is consistent with the rest of the country; Dems tended to vote absentee, republicans voted in person on Election Day.
The big problem is why weren’t the absentee ballots for city of Detroit counted under their correct precinct? It’s impossible to audit these numbers, if you don’t know from where (which precinct) the absentee ballot was cast from.
So you have average 22% Election Day turnout in Wayne county. Around 15-18% in Detroit, and about 30-35% in the suburbs. The rest are absentee ballots.
I still don’t see any strange with these numbers, other than that the AVCB should definitely be connected to the correct precinct for us to be able to correctly audit them.
Right, Crowder comparing 15% to 80% was entirely wrong. were those 15% were in person only, in the 85% were in person plus absentee when they were counted to the correct precinct.
So it’s a good question, why were only some pre-sinks counting their own absent tea, and others were counted in some nebulous zero registered voters black hole?
They did the same in 2016, and it’s done to save resources. Precinct 109 has 1 registered voter. Do you want to have at least 3 paid election workers waiting for this one vote that may or may not turn up in the mail? There’s a possible solution though, making it more transparent. If you decide witch AVCB gets which precincts, like precinct 1-8 gets AVCB 1, you can with ease calculate the amount of registered voters and voter turnout for that AVCB.
Look at the entire list and educate yourself before you try to discredit the information. For every precinct the total number of registered voters is reflected in both the election day and AVCB rows to show the percentage of turnout for each method. Even in the snapshot posted above, notice how there are ZERO registered voters in the precinct's election day or AVCB rows.
https://www.waynecounty.com/elected/clerk/election-results.aspx
If you live in the city of Detroit (eg precinct 109 out of 504). Your absentee ballot was not sent to your precinct, it was sent to TCF center in downtown Detroit, where it ended up on a random (1-134) counting boards and registered and counted. There are many very small precincts in Detroit, 109 has 1 registered voter. To make counting easier for themself, they lump all city of Detroit precincts into one centralised election center, and do all the counting there.
503 precincts, becomes 134 counting boards
This is a big nothing burger. It’s pretty normal to set registered voters to 0 on absent voter counting boards (AVCB). They did the same in 2016. https://www.waynecounty.com/elected/clerk/november-8-2016-general.aspx
Sorry to be a party pooper
That's fraud in and of itself. You have to match the mail in ballot with the voter to whom it was sent.
Which was hopefully done when they matched the signatures on the envelope and ballot
ELI5: What is a "Counting Board"?
Yea, there are 503 regular precincts for the City of Detroit and there are only 134 of the AVCB precincts. So the AVCB precincts don't have specific registration numbers apparently.
What are these? no longer used precincts or something?
Absent voter counting board. They had 134 of them in Wayne county. Not sure if they had one board for each precinct, but I guess they just divided all the absentee ballots between them and started counting.
Each precinct had it's own AVCB totals and election day totals. So each precinct would report it's own election day totals and AV totals. These must have been unused or made up precincts, but for whatever reason there were no voters registered to them so they entered the fake ballots that didn't match registered voters to those precincts.
If you live in the city of Detroit (eg precinct 100 out of 504). Your absentee ballot was not sent to your precinct, it was sent to TCF center in downtown Detroit, where it ended up on a random (1-134) counting boards and registered and counted.
Then why are some of the pre-sinks counting their own absentees?
When does an absentee ballot get delivered to your precinct versus some general AV counting board?
Can you give me an example of a city of D precinct (1-503) that counted its own absentee ballots? I can’t seem to find one.
Hey man! This is somehow racist. 😡/s
I’m on mobile, so I can’t check for myself, but what do you get if you add all of the Election Day ballots from Detroit precinct where we have no absentee voter data? We know from Crowder that the total votes from the 134 AVCBs are around 170k, so with a 20% voter day turnout, and a 45% absentee ballot the registered voters in these precincts should be 170 000/0,45 = ~380k Can anybody confirm?
wtf
Detroit precincts only.