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Not to mention, when it magically falls JUUUST outside of the window for a recount, the media can say "Oh darn, welp, looks like this race wasn't close after all"
Feels very much like a lot of people benefit from polls calling every race a toss up. If everything is close no one will have motivation to dig for fraud if their guy loses by just enough.
Would be really interested in seeing a report on margins of victory in states that use paper ballots vs.electronic machines.
Yeah it is, they have no n argument. Expect them to simply claim Trump's a dictator and constantly reeeeeee. Expect the lefty domestic terrorists to go batshit on the streets and provoke fed crackdown so they can reeeee more. Expect the usual actors to decry Trunk and his white supremacists, etc.
I think this was very smart as all they have to say is, it's a glitch. Until someone investigates and PROVES it, then they just continue to get away with it time and time again. This time they hopefully will get caught.
Agreed. If anything it's the public that's dumb, to be kept in the dark (present company included). I guess I always just trusted they were counting vote by vote, without any of this calculation/decimal nonsense.
Could be. I've kind of always suspected some amount of fraud but has there been a president recently worth fighting for besides Trump? Who gives a shit if the election was stolen from Romney or McCain? It would be wrong for the election to be stolen from them but a Romney or McCain does not inspire anyone to stand up for what's right.
This wasn't done by accident. And if they wanted to hide it, all they'd have to do is round the numbers. Not a big deal...
These features shouldn't exist in voting software, but I've seen some of the client requirements that specifically ask for random garbage like this, so they provide what the customer wants.
Huh? This was not incompetence. The software's purpose is to move votes from one candidate to another, e.g. 1.25 tor Biden and 0.75 for Trump. How can you do that with whole numbers?
The software does what it is supposed to do: Cheat.
I remember from couple years ago when that feature was discovered, the official explanation was it supposed to help out disadvantaged minority candidates to 'equalize' the field, and of course the voters weren't informed that their votes only worthed 75%
Prageru has a good video about the 3/5ths compromise, it’s funny how we’re just taught in school that it was “racist” when it was actually a compromise so that southern states didn’t get to control Congress with southern Democrats based on their slave populations, who the northern states knew they wouldn’t really represent anyway
There is literally no fucking reason to use floating point in vote tallying. No fucking reason.
Store them as integers. Why do anything else at all?
Edit: Floating point in the context of a computer requires a more complex representation that has limited accuracy. Computer fundamentally deal in integer values, in whole numbers.
I work with JavaScript every day, and there all numbers are floating point, but it is stupid and wasteful and can lead to errors. And they better not have programmed this software in JavaScript.
I think we all agree with you. My point is that they are not very smart criminals by revealing the use of floating point. It would have been easy to fix and gives the game away.
well, there can be reasons. For example, your operating system limit on signed int length is smaller than a double. But for voting purposes, I doubt you'll have billions of people voting in a precinct.
Even if your native int size isn't large enough for you, you can easily write a set of math functions that use two or more ints to hold a single large number.
Absolutely no reason voting software should be using floating point.
you mentioned OS. But sure yeah the DB is dependent on the OS word size. But it probably has large int operations as well. Most current OSes have at least a 32 bit word size, so a range of approx 4.2 billion.
It probably is not really the programmers. The people who gave them the specs had some other explanation for the feature so the programmers implemented the basic feature without bothering to try to hide the fact that the feature was turned on for a particular run. The people who tried to pull it off didn't notice the bread crumbs since it superficially appeared to work. At least that would be my guess about how it would hypothetically play out.
Ranked choice is an alternative voting system which in itself is legitimate or could be used legitimately. And the "ensuring a result" looks to be a specialized variant of ranked choice which algorithmically auto-resolves situations where followup run-off elections would normally be required. All of this could be implemented legitimately-- it's just an alternative voting system. That's why it's in broad daylight in the manual and there wouldn't necessarily be any attempt to hide the fractional results that it may be producing. Certainly enabling this mode in an election where this is not the chosen voting system would be a grave error or deliberate manipulation.
The system appears to implement several of the ranked voting subtypes.
For example Instant runoff seems to have this algorithmic redistribution of votes which repeats until some criteria is met ("ensuring a result" / "winner"). It is apparently used in national elections in Australia.
Ranked voting EXCUSE gave them this chance to potentially defraud ~80 million voters and take us into a single party system.
l-l€LL no if we ever allow this again in America.
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That it a huge mistake but it shouldn't invalidate the other points made in this affidavit though. The fact that the machines cannot count votes as quickly as the spikes we saw in MI and that total votes should not be reported as a decimal.
Thanks for this. What I don't understand is how is it not a YUUUGE red flag for everyone that this software even has a feature for choosing a winner manually via algorithm and blank ballots?
That's not what we want vote counting software to do, so investigate every ballet counted by Dominion.
Fraud is guaranteed to happen one way or another, the only safeguard is the number of people involved in the process. The very idea of using a machine to count them faster, and thus reduce the number of people involved, can only increase the amount of fraud.
Hand counting, all districts, each ballot box counted silently by no less than two people. If the end count of a box doesn't match, inform the watchers and start over. Takes a long time? Check. Takes a lot of people? Check. Far more secure than the bs now? Check.
District has too many votes to count on time? Split the district into smaller voting blocks or increase the number of workers. NO ONE should be paid a dime.
When we secured Iraq and gave them their first 'free and fair election' in years, we had fucking snipers positioned as overwatch at every polling station! We care enough when the world is watching to put snipers on rooftops for Iraq, but when it's our own election, we're not even going to bother to do an audit? I want to punch so many people in the fucking face right now. Kemp and that Raffesberger or whoever the fuck he is... top of that list currently.
We also build walls to protect other countries from invasion, while our wonderful politicians spout open borders for us. And if I were to list the people I want to punch in the fucking face right now, I'd be typing names for the next year--and I type pretty damned fast.
Ranked Choice Voting is a legitimate voting system, but it needs to be passed as a law first. I myself am not opposed to RCV because I'd like to see a viable third party in America someday like the America First Party.
So I don't think there's anything wrong with a voting machine company making a voting machine that can handle ranked choice elections... but there's no way that should be a software setting that it can just be flipped on or off. That's insane.
If anything there should be entirely separate voting machines for different types of voting systems. You buy the exact model of machine that fits your type of election and it's not useable for anything else.
And yes I do believe it's possible to design electronic voting machines that are secure but the key is they need to be open source, cryptographically signed and include a paper trail for auditing.
I am not a fan of ranked choice voting. Maine passed it and will never have a Republican governor again because of it. It lets people have their third party “protest vote” with no consequences. If a candidate isn’t good enough to be your first choice, they shouldn’t get your vote.
Yes ranked choice is bad when its Democrat vs Republican vs Libertarian because Democrats would win that split, but what if Progressives or Green divided the Democrat vote? You could have four or five parties all viable and suddenly things get interesting.
I think that if the Republican party continues to NeverTrump and ignore the mandate We The People have been giving him, it will be time to end the Republican party. I still haven't forgiven them for stabbing Ron Paul in the back.
I sincerely believe that a Trump-founded America First Party would probably take 2/3 of Republicans and 1/3 of the Democrats (the rational ones) and be instantly viable on the national stage. It would leave behind neocons and batshit crazy progressives.
And now it's clear why there were so many "Biden Only" votes cast. If they allocated a batch of blank ballots to Biden then that would make sense.
Isn't ranked voting when you rank all of the candidates and they get a certain number of points depending on how you rank them? I think some european countries do this.
They may have lost the senate on purpose to use it as an argument for not rigging the election. A lot of liberals are using it. Reality is, Trump is the only threat and it's worth sacrificing the senate win to use as protection of the main goal to just get him out
They didn't mean to loose the senate at all, bloomberg alone spent 1billion trying to flip the senate this year. They just didn't have time to fix enough fake ballots, they were pressed for time as it was to fill out what they had just to stop Trump.
They believed their own lies that Trump didnt have a chance (but cheated anyway because it's what they do). Then they realized on election night they hadn't cheated nearly hard enough, "stopped counting" and rushed to cheat even harder
Or..the uni party wanted to give the illusion that the gop controlled senate would actually be an acceptable outcome to limit Biden making the steal less of an issue for “moderates”
Only they aren't sacrificing it. That nancy-boy Osoff and the communist prick Warlock or whoever the fuck he is *will *go in, thanks to all the cheating by the gap-toothed bitch and her cronies. And our shit governor and that piece of shit Ratburger allowing it.
Think of the black lesbian Muslim and all the hardship she had to endure under the racist cis white patriarchy, of course she deserved weighted votes. You're not a racist sexist islamphobe are you? Of course you are.
Yes the machines should absolutely have no such possibility. Nor should they allow any kind of modification of the data contained in the machine.
I think that any kind of program used by the government should be audited and examined very closely by an army of NSA software engineers or something. To let something like this pass, possibly disguised as programmer "laziness" is completely unacceptable. The army wouldn't confirm a tank that doesn't fire its gun properly, so why is it alright to get a ballot counting program that has so many (let's say) "vulnerabilities"?
It makes no sense to me why anyone would put this into voting machine software unless you intended to cheat. And it makes no sense to me why anyone would buy such software that had this capability unless you planned to take advantage of such a capability. Everyone one of these people should hang.
I haven't heard any explanations at all. I'm pretty sure if pressed, the people behind it would just claim programmer laziness or something, because they took the code from somewhere else and slapped it onto the new program.
I think that this is totally unacceptable, as the army, for example, wouldn't confirm a tank that doesn't fire its gun properly, so why is it alright to get a ballot counting program that has so many (let's say) "vulnerabilities"?
No, you rank them and then they do a number of elimination rounds. If your number one gets eliminated for having the least votes the. Your vote goes to your number two, etc until only one candidate is left.
It depends. Ranked choice voting typically means everyone ranks their candidates. Then, an election is run as if everyone's top-choice candidate is running against the others. If one candidate gets >50% of the vote, that's the winner. If no candidate gets >50% of the votes, then the lowest ranking candidate is eliminated.
The election is then run again, but all those who had the previously removed candidate as top choice now have their votes moved to a second-choice candidate. The election is run again and the process repeated until one candidate has >50% of the votes.
This system helps people choose their top choice. For example, many libertarians would have voted for Jo Jorgensen, Trump, and Biden; in that order. When Jorgensen lost, their votes would instead go for Trump, but those who picked Trump first would still cast their vote for Trump.
That data has total votes (integer) and %trump %biden. People have calculated the trump/biden vote totals but this adds fractions because the % is so low precision.
So here's an example entry from edison Michigan data:
votes: 5372494
bidenj: 0.498
trumpd: 0.486
5372494 * 0.498 = 2,675,502.012 biden votes.
But the actual machine has some count for Biden and Trump votes. It's adding them together to get 5372494 and percentages, but rounding down the percents from like 20-digit fractions to 3 digit. That's where the 0.xxx decimals come from.
I hope that's not where the fractions come from, because they'd be a smoking gun if taken directly off the machine, but I suspect it is.
This goes back to the theory some of the number jumps were based on fraction changes.
Hopefully this has nothing to do with it but if we’re diving into pre calculated numbers meant for quick reporting/charting and not the raw vote totals for each candidate... well.. you’d see odd things based on how the percentages changed.
To be clear, it wouldn’t cause the major jumps etc but minor “vote switching” could possible show up as the percentages rounded differently over time.
Edit: my point wouldn’t matter if you were using percentages PER batch... now I’m back to being lost...
That's exactly why, they're giving the ui exactly what it needs to display, you would not give that data in that way for other systems to use as precise data.
Who designs a vote report that inputs percentages and total vote and multiplies them to yield the vote allocated to candidates? That makes NO SENSE at all. Votes are whole numbers. The input should be the total allocated votes, and total votes. The output can then be the calculated percentages. They are doing it ass backwards for what reason?
Only thing I can fathom is really severe memory limitations, either in the machines themselves or the idiot programmer that doesn't remember this is the worst thing to do.
What if your bank atm worked this way, with total money existing in the world and your bank account total percentage?
It would depending on data type sent, and if you do this percentage share of each candidate, you don't need to store tally for each candidate, only vote total plus two percentages (which are small and could be packed in 8 bits IF you needed to).
But my entire point is these limitations do not exist so it's moot.
I hope you're right. Affidavit says excerpt from "direct feed to news outlets" and percents, eevp look the same as appears in edison.
These kinds of software are generally written by idiots and sometimes they do dumb crap like calculate the votes for display from total and percent internally because they are idiots. Why tf would they do this when they have the candidate votes right there? Well they have to do a database query or some bullshit and nobody is ever going to evaluate their work.
People think programmers are smart, but I worked with a bunch of programmers who couldn't tie their shoes.
Unrelated to this thread but I read your reply and it resonated with me. Alas.... after surviving a ton of head count reductions I find myself in exactly that position. Too many peer-idiots that make my job so much more difficult.
So you're saying that it could take the individual totals against the overall total to get a percentage, then use that percentage to get less precise individual counts instead of just keeping the counts it already has? That doesn't make sense either. It HAS to have the exact individual totals, no reason to convert them to floating point numbers.
A lot of software does not make sense. Some display function gets passed the database, total vote, candidate percent array.
Programmer is told to display the vote total for each candidate. It's a total pain in the ass to do a loop, go to the database for each candidate and get the candidate total, divide by the overall total, and print it out.
Instead they just overall total * percent.
Guys I hope they took these numbers directly from the database and it's totally legit. I'm just saying this kind of bullshit happens all the time in software.
That's just lazy coding.. Why would you let the totals show up in decimal form even if you were using the point weighting. At least code it to round up.
As an info: You use integers when you deal with raw numbers of item counts. When you start to apply algorithms, formulas or any form of manipulation, you convert them into floating point numbers (like 3.14). From there on they are special values with some meaning like modifiers.
In this case they are clearly the result of some calculation that involves multiplication with values that are not integers or division (which is literally just multiplication with: 1/x). And somehow these numbers are supposed to be counts? Ridiculous sloppiness.
I work a lot with numbers, and I have algorithms to create galaxies (easily with 10.000.000 solar systems) in various configurable patterns and nebulas (which was a damn difficult task as well!). In the company I work, I am #1 person for Math (2D, 3D, algorithms) related jobs.
Yes this data is from MN. Catastrophic error to the case as noted by the Powerlineblog guys from MN - (lawyers) known for bringing to light the fraud and deception of our own Ilhan Omar.
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I noticed that shit on some official numbers somewhere. They were awarding fractions of a vote. The only way that shit could happen is if they were awarding fractions of votes for each real vote. This shit is such a joke I can't wait for Trump to spend 4 years throwing all these fucking commies in prison. I hope he tracks all these fuckers down all over the world.
Love how voting machines with these "features" were allowed In the first place. The people who allowed the purchase of these machines should face criminal charges
If this algorithm is proven, then we should audit every single state that uses Dominion or SmartMatic. If it’s the 1.25B for .75T, that means that every “fourth” Trump vote is switched to Biden and taken away from Trump (.25 x 4). So it’s incredibly plausible that Trump eclipsed 80mm votes
I am absolutely distraught that they are submitting this as evidence when they're literally comparing apples to oranges by assigning Michigan vote totals to towns in Minnesota. It was a dumb mistake, likely caused by being rushed to get this in front of a court (MI/MN mixup?) but it will be completely dismissed as evidence and make Trump's team look bad.
I'll share this for anyone that needs to see it. This was found several years back but couldn't seem to gain any traction. They've been using it for years!
Don’t kill me, but it sounds like we are assuming that each Timestamp is one bite that is being divided. Can’t it be the case that each stamp is a batch of votes, and that the decimals are showing then percentage of that batch scored for each candidate? Or even running calculations of percent of vote total?
Any excuse to put any floating point number format system on the market.
Then they can get the ignorant or allegedly payed off electron officials to buy them.
These programmers weren't the sharpest tools in the shed
Not sure. They've gotten away with it how many times now?
16 years
Good thing we've learned to code
The simple observation that Votes are being reported with decimal places, really should be all you need to blow it open.
Like he says, there's literally no reason there should be any decimals at all, period.
Its the new straigth white conservative male 3/5's compromise in play
uint32 is enough for anyone.
Main reasons
Three absolutely excellent points. In the morning!
“Get over it!! Joe won 300% of the vote you conspiracy theorist!” 🤡
Not to mention, when it magically falls JUUUST outside of the window for a recount, the media can say "Oh darn, welp, looks like this race wasn't close after all"
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voting/election fraud has been going on for thousands of years.
Feels very much like a lot of people benefit from polls calling every race a toss up. If everything is close no one will have motivation to dig for fraud if their guy loses by just enough.
Would be really interested in seeing a report on margins of victory in states that use paper ballots vs.electronic machines.
Hadn't realized we had computerized voting machines back in 1920. 😉
We caught them.
This is fucking it.
Look at how they're trying to frame this and the complete media blackout combine with tech censorship.
No more pretense, this their last stand.
Yeah it is, they have no n argument. Expect them to simply claim Trump's a dictator and constantly reeeeeee. Expect the lefty domestic terrorists to go batshit on the streets and provoke fed crackdown so they can reeeee more. Expect the usual actors to decry Trunk and his white supremacists, etc.
I think this was very smart as all they have to say is, it's a glitch. Until someone investigates and PROVES it, then they just continue to get away with it time and time again. This time they hopefully will get caught.
"plausible deniability"
Yeah, pretty much nailed it
Or maybe black people only got 3/5 of a vote
I lol’ed
I LOL'd.....
14 years ago I told my wife 'Man of the Year' would be prophetic in some areas.
I just didn't think it would happen on my watch.
RIP Mr. Williams.
That movie has scary parallels. Worth the watch.
They didn't factor in one important variable: the cyber criminals known as the_donald
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KillCyber CriminalAgreed. If anything it's the public that's dumb, to be kept in the dark (present company included). I guess I always just trusted they were counting vote by vote, without any of this calculation/decimal nonsense.
Could be. I've kind of always suspected some amount of fraud but has there been a president recently worth fighting for besides Trump? Who gives a shit if the election was stolen from Romney or McCain? It would be wrong for the election to be stolen from them but a Romney or McCain does not inspire anyone to stand up for what's right.
software developer here..
This wasn't done by accident. And if they wanted to hide it, all they'd have to do is round the numbers. Not a big deal...
These features shouldn't exist in voting software, but I've seen some of the client requirements that specifically ask for random garbage like this, so they provide what the customer wants.
Huh? This was not incompetence. The software's purpose is to move votes from one candidate to another, e.g. 1.25 tor Biden and 0.75 for Trump. How can you do that with whole numbers?
The software does what it is supposed to do: Cheat.
I remember from couple years ago when that feature was discovered, the official explanation was it supposed to help out disadvantaged minority candidates to 'equalize' the field, and of course the voters weren't informed that their votes only worthed 75%
Affirmative voting
That’s so fucked up
Was that really the excuse used for cheating?
Yup
“It’s so we can enact a 3/5ths compromise whenever we want”
Prageru has a good video about the 3/5ths compromise, it’s funny how we’re just taught in school that it was “racist” when it was actually a compromise so that southern states didn’t get to control Congress with southern Democrats based on their slave populations, who the northern states knew they wouldn’t really represent anyway
Democrats taking a mile as they always have.
Can confirm that I was taught that it was racism
The internal calculation can be in floating point numbers but any reporting as shown above should have used integers.
There are also other ways to avoid this such as transferring whole numbers of votes within batches.
You NEVER use floating point numbers for this, unless you want to cheat.
There is literally no fucking reason to use floating point in vote tallying. No fucking reason.
Store them as integers. Why do anything else at all?
Edit: Floating point in the context of a computer requires a more complex representation that has limited accuracy. Computer fundamentally deal in integer values, in whole numbers.
I work with JavaScript every day, and there all numbers are floating point, but it is stupid and wasteful and can lead to errors. And they better not have programmed this software in JavaScript.
I think we all agree with you. My point is that they are not very smart criminals by revealing the use of floating point. It would have been easy to fix and gives the game away.
Haha. I see what you mean. The IQs behind some of these decisions do not seem too high.
well, there can be reasons. For example, your operating system limit on signed int length is smaller than a double. But for voting purposes, I doubt you'll have billions of people voting in a precinct.
Even if your native int size isn't large enough for you, you can easily write a set of math functions that use two or more ints to hold a single large number.
Absolutely no reason voting software should be using floating point.
Floating point is going to be a swear word 2 months from now on the streets. It'll be added to the FCC verboten list today.
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db schema, not a code. And its mood based on the second part of my statement.
you mentioned OS. But sure yeah the DB is dependent on the OS word size. But it probably has large int operations as well. Most current OSes have at least a 32 bit word size, so a range of approx 4.2 billion.
Agreed the argument is moot.
You don't need signed int for votes though. Nobody should be getting negative votes.
I heard ~10-15 years ago they were gaming the electronic voting machines by preloading with - neg. votes.
autocorrect. and you'd be halfing the size it can store
I wouldn't put it past the Biden team! "10,000,000% voter turn out proves Biden has a mandate!'
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Lol. I guess if you work for the devil, you have to use his technology stack.
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It probably is not really the programmers. The people who gave them the specs had some other explanation for the feature so the programmers implemented the basic feature without bothering to try to hide the fact that the feature was turned on for a particular run. The people who tried to pull it off didn't notice the bread crumbs since it superficially appeared to work. At least that would be my guess about how it would hypothetically play out.
Ranked choice is an alternative voting system which in itself is legitimate or could be used legitimately. And the "ensuring a result" looks to be a specialized variant of ranked choice which algorithmically auto-resolves situations where followup run-off elections would normally be required. All of this could be implemented legitimately-- it's just an alternative voting system. That's why it's in broad daylight in the manual and there wouldn't necessarily be any attempt to hide the fractional results that it may be producing. Certainly enabling this mode in an election where this is not the chosen voting system would be a grave error or deliberate manipulation.
Excerpt from the manual
https://i.maga.host/r2PhC4b.png
The full manual
https://www.sos.state.co.us/pubs/elections/VotingSystems/DVS-DemocracySuite511/documentation/UG-RTR-UserGuide-5-11-CO.pdf
Ranked voting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranked_voting
The system appears to implement several of the ranked voting subtypes.
For example Instant runoff seems to have this algorithmic redistribution of votes which repeats until some criteria is met ("ensuring a result" / "winner"). It is apparently used in national elections in Australia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranked_voting#Instant-runoff_voting
Ranked voting EXCUSE gave them this chance to potentially defraud ~80 million voters and take us into a single party system.
l-l€LL no if we ever allow this again in America.
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Native Americans are real smart.
We have lots of ingineers around here.
Hey, you’re smart. But ya know we don’t have to give them ideas...
Maybe they wrote so it would be detected. A little patriotic.
Still got paid.
99% of 'programmers' copy and paste their job from stack overflow.
They're creative monkeys that punch the keyboard until it half works then charge you twice the rate. I hate them
They're not the roundest 0 on the matrix either
This been going for decades in one form or another
If you are interested in reading the entire affidavit, I uploaded the version from /pol/ onto imgur: https://imgur.com/a/IqN3jep
There are other red flags about RCV being enabled, mostly with absurdly high numbers of "extra" votes showing up. (~432,000)
Seriously, this affidavit should be stickied.
That it a huge mistake but it shouldn't invalidate the other points made in this affidavit though. The fact that the machines cannot count votes as quickly as the spikes we saw in MI and that total votes should not be reported as a decimal.
Thanks for this. What I don't understand is how is it not a YUUUGE red flag for everyone that this software even has a feature for choosing a winner manually via algorithm and blank ballots?
That's not what we want vote counting software to do, so investigate every ballet counted by Dominion.
I'm reading through this and all I can think of is, "Where in hell is the FBI?" Are they scrambling to cover it up?
There is no reason for vote counting software to be anything more than +1 candidate A or +1 candidate B
There is no reason for voting software.
EVERY computer can be hacked, Paper ballots, counted by the national guard, only way to make it safe.
Fraud is guaranteed to happen one way or another, the only safeguard is the number of people involved in the process. The very idea of using a machine to count them faster, and thus reduce the number of people involved, can only increase the amount of fraud.
Hand counting, all districts, each ballot box counted silently by no less than two people. If the end count of a box doesn't match, inform the watchers and start over. Takes a long time? Check. Takes a lot of people? Check. Far more secure than the bs now? Check.
District has too many votes to count on time? Split the district into smaller voting blocks or increase the number of workers. NO ONE should be paid a dime.
This is 100% true. No system is secure. The remedy to this is strict oversight and enforcement.
When we secured Iraq and gave them their first 'free and fair election' in years, we had fucking snipers positioned as overwatch at every polling station! We care enough when the world is watching to put snipers on rooftops for Iraq, but when it's our own election, we're not even going to bother to do an audit? I want to punch so many people in the fucking face right now. Kemp and that Raffesberger or whoever the fuck he is... top of that list currently.
We also build walls to protect other countries from invasion, while our wonderful politicians spout open borders for us. And if I were to list the people I want to punch in the fucking face right now, I'd be typing names for the next year--and I type pretty damned fast.
Yeah, my list would go on for a while as well... and I type pretty damned fast too. lol
Even paper ballots aren't safe. In the end, these dumbos would put all the paper ballot count on a computer.
this right here. If we need to make it easy to keep counts, there are mechanical counters.
Open source everything.
Disadvantaged minority candidates need equalize the field to make it fair
To me it looks like it is showing trump winning with 54% of the total current vote. I'm not seeing what this text is claiming.
Votes are shown with fractional amounts (expressed in decimal). This should not be possible.
Ranked Choice Voting is a legitimate voting system, but it needs to be passed as a law first. I myself am not opposed to RCV because I'd like to see a viable third party in America someday like the America First Party.
So I don't think there's anything wrong with a voting machine company making a voting machine that can handle ranked choice elections... but there's no way that should be a software setting that it can just be flipped on or off. That's insane.
If anything there should be entirely separate voting machines for different types of voting systems. You buy the exact model of machine that fits your type of election and it's not useable for anything else.
And yes I do believe it's possible to design electronic voting machines that are secure but the key is they need to be open source, cryptographically signed and include a paper trail for auditing.
I am not a fan of ranked choice voting. Maine passed it and will never have a Republican governor again because of it. It lets people have their third party “protest vote” with no consequences. If a candidate isn’t good enough to be your first choice, they shouldn’t get your vote.
Yes ranked choice is bad when its Democrat vs Republican vs Libertarian because Democrats would win that split, but what if Progressives or Green divided the Democrat vote? You could have four or five parties all viable and suddenly things get interesting.
I think that if the Republican party continues to NeverTrump and ignore the mandate We The People have been giving him, it will be time to end the Republican party. I still haven't forgiven them for stabbing Ron Paul in the back.
I sincerely believe that a Trump-founded America First Party would probably take 2/3 of Republicans and 1/3 of the Democrats (the rational ones) and be instantly viable on the national stage. It would leave behind neocons and batshit crazy progressives.
Timestamped logs of every ballot cast, summarized into the totals. Allows us to go back and audit the votes.
And now it's clear why there were so many "Biden Only" votes cast. If they allocated a batch of blank ballots to Biden then that would make sense.
Isn't ranked voting when you rank all of the candidates and they get a certain number of points depending on how you rank them? I think some european countries do this.
They may have lost the senate on purpose to use it as an argument for not rigging the election. A lot of liberals are using it. Reality is, Trump is the only threat and it's worth sacrificing the senate win to use as protection of the main goal to just get him out
They didn't mean to loose the senate at all, bloomberg alone spent 1billion trying to flip the senate this year. They just didn't have time to fix enough fake ballots, they were pressed for time as it was to fill out what they had just to stop Trump.
Reads like a spy novel, but I can't find any flaws in the logic, and the facts, as I understand them line up. Well done pede!
They believed their own lies that Trump didnt have a chance (but cheated anyway because it's what they do). Then they realized on election night they hadn't cheated nearly hard enough, "stopped counting" and rushed to cheat even harder
Or..the uni party wanted to give the illusion that the gop controlled senate would actually be an acceptable outcome to limit Biden making the steal less of an issue for “moderates”
The other theory is deepstate uniparty at work. Lots of swampy republicans want Trump gone too.
Only they aren't sacrificing it. That nancy-boy Osoff and the communist prick Warlock or whoever the fuck he is *will *go in, thanks to all the cheating by the gap-toothed bitch and her cronies. And our shit governor and that piece of shit Ratburger allowing it.
I think that in this context a "weighted vote" would make more sense. Like making one candidate's vote be 1.25 of a vote, and another's 0.75 per vote.
Think of the black lesbian Muslim and all the hardship she had to endure under the racist cis white patriarchy, of course she deserved weighted votes. You're not a racist sexist islamphobe are you? Of course you are.
Man, I was really against weighted votes until I read this. That poor xer. She can have 0.25 of my vote if it helps.
Yes the machines should absolutely have no such possibility. Nor should they allow any kind of modification of the data contained in the machine.
I think that any kind of program used by the government should be audited and examined very closely by an army of NSA software engineers or something. To let something like this pass, possibly disguised as programmer "laziness" is completely unacceptable. The army wouldn't confirm a tank that doesn't fire its gun properly, so why is it alright to get a ballot counting program that has so many (let's say) "vulnerabilities"?
its estimated that somewhere around 96 percent of all voting machines have this capability. https://youtu.be/Fob-AGgZn44
It makes no sense to me why anyone would put this into voting machine software unless you intended to cheat. And it makes no sense to me why anyone would buy such software that had this capability unless you planned to take advantage of such a capability. Everyone one of these people should hang.
I haven't heard any explanations at all. I'm pretty sure if pressed, the people behind it would just claim programmer laziness or something, because they took the code from somewhere else and slapped it onto the new program.
I think that this is totally unacceptable, as the army, for example, wouldn't confirm a tank that doesn't fire its gun properly, so why is it alright to get a ballot counting program that has so many (let's say) "vulnerabilities"?
No, you rank them and then they do a number of elimination rounds. If your number one gets eliminated for having the least votes the. Your vote goes to your number two, etc until only one candidate is left.
In America we call them primaries.
It depends. Ranked choice voting typically means everyone ranks their candidates. Then, an election is run as if everyone's top-choice candidate is running against the others. If one candidate gets >50% of the vote, that's the winner. If no candidate gets >50% of the votes, then the lowest ranking candidate is eliminated.
The election is then run again, but all those who had the previously removed candidate as top choice now have their votes moved to a second-choice candidate. The election is run again and the process repeated until one candidate has >50% of the votes.
This system helps people choose their top choice. For example, many libertarians would have voted for Jo Jorgensen, Trump, and Biden; in that order. When Jorgensen lost, their votes would instead go for Trump, but those who picked Trump first would still cast their vote for Trump.
How coincidental.... (it's not). Find them, prosecute them, and if found guilty, hang them.
Hang them by the neck until dead.
Sorry. It just looks like you didn't finish the sentence.
I was leaving some wiggle room...
I hope this isn't from edison data.
That data has total votes (integer) and %trump %biden. People have calculated the trump/biden vote totals but this adds fractions because the % is so low precision.
Can you expand on that a bit? I'm not sure what you're saying but I'm interpreting it as you think this might not be a result of vote fraud?
So here's an example entry from edison Michigan data:
votes: 5372494
bidenj: 0.498
trumpd: 0.486
5372494 * 0.498 = 2,675,502.012 biden votes.
But the actual machine has some count for Biden and Trump votes. It's adding them together to get 5372494 and percentages, but rounding down the percents from like 20-digit fractions to 3 digit. That's where the 0.xxx decimals come from.
I hope that's not where the fractions come from, because they'd be a smoking gun if taken directly off the machine, but I suspect it is.
edit: fix math
Why doesn't edison just report 2,675,502 Biden and 2,696,992 Trump?
I have no idea. Could be so retarded web sites can display a percent without using any scripts, could be to obfuscate who knows.
This goes back to the theory some of the number jumps were based on fraction changes.
Hopefully this has nothing to do with it but if we’re diving into pre calculated numbers meant for quick reporting/charting and not the raw vote totals for each candidate... well.. you’d see odd things based on how the percentages changed.
To be clear, it wouldn’t cause the major jumps etc but minor “vote switching” could possible show up as the percentages rounded differently over time.
Edit: my point wouldn’t matter if you were using percentages PER batch... now I’m back to being lost...
That's exactly why, they're giving the ui exactly what it needs to display, you would not give that data in that way for other systems to use as precise data.
So they can cheat.
They probably make the lame excuse that newsmen can't do simple division and percentages. It's hard to move a decimal pöint two places.
Agreed. If the whole point of your machine is to count votes, the variable of that count should be an integer.
Thanks. I suspect you're right and this is another rabbit hole we're going down.
Who designs a vote report that inputs percentages and total vote and multiplies them to yield the vote allocated to candidates? That makes NO SENSE at all. Votes are whole numbers. The input should be the total allocated votes, and total votes. The output can then be the calculated percentages. They are doing it ass backwards for what reason?
Either an idiot or an evil genius.
But mostly just an idiot... who probably got paid a ton of money... and was someone's nephew
Only thing I can fathom is really severe memory limitations, either in the machines themselves or the idiot programmer that doesn't remember this is the worst thing to do.
What if your bank atm worked this way, with total money existing in the world and your bank account total percentage?
Storing a float or double wouldn’t save space over a 32 or 64 bit int
It would depending on data type sent, and if you do this percentage share of each candidate, you don't need to store tally for each candidate, only vote total plus two percentages (which are small and could be packed in 8 bits IF you needed to).
But my entire point is these limitations do not exist so it's moot.
For what these machines do, and how much they cost, saving memory should not have been an issue in the slightest.
You can’t pack an IEEE1394 floating point number into 8 bits.
Those limitations don’t exist with numbers like these, and haven’t for 20 years now.
I hope you're right. Affidavit says excerpt from "direct feed to news outlets" and percents, eevp look the same as appears in edison.
These kinds of software are generally written by idiots and sometimes they do dumb crap like calculate the votes for display from total and percent internally because they are idiots. Why tf would they do this when they have the candidate votes right there? Well they have to do a database query or some bullshit and nobody is ever going to evaluate their work.
People think programmers are smart, but I worked with a bunch of programmers who couldn't tie their shoes.
Oh the other hand I've worked with a team of the best programmers at least on the East Coast in the security field and it was so amazing.
When you can count on your peers not to be idiots it's the best thing in the world. Just have to find the right place and the right job.
Unrelated to this thread but I read your reply and it resonated with me. Alas.... after surviving a ton of head count reductions I find myself in exactly that position. Too many peer-idiots that make my job so much more difficult.
So you're saying that it could take the individual totals against the overall total to get a percentage, then use that percentage to get less precise individual counts instead of just keeping the counts it already has? That doesn't make sense either. It HAS to have the exact individual totals, no reason to convert them to floating point numbers.
A lot of software does not make sense. Some display function gets passed the database, total vote, candidate percent array.
Programmer is told to display the vote total for each candidate. It's a total pain in the ass to do a loop, go to the database for each candidate and get the candidate total, divide by the overall total, and print it out.
Instead they just overall total * percent.
Guys I hope they took these numbers directly from the database and it's totally legit. I'm just saying this kind of bullshit happens all the time in software.
If that was the case, Dominion would be hammering this point home.
It says in the affidavit that it's the data right from dominion
Just the fact that they use decimal should get this software banned. The ONLY reason this would be allowed is if you WANT to screw with the votes.
That's just lazy coding.. Why would you let the totals show up in decimal form even if you were using the point weighting. At least code it to round up.
This is not some mundane detail, Michael!
Why are votes stored as decimal type???? You can't have a fraction of a vote, it should be saved as an int ffs
HAHA DECIMAL PLACES!! That's a dead giveaway.
As an info: You use integers when you deal with raw numbers of item counts. When you start to apply algorithms, formulas or any form of manipulation, you convert them into floating point numbers (like 3.14). From there on they are special values with some meaning like modifiers.
In this case they are clearly the result of some calculation that involves multiplication with values that are not integers or division (which is literally just multiplication with: 1/x). And somehow these numbers are supposed to be counts? Ridiculous sloppiness.
I work a lot with numbers, and I have algorithms to create galaxies (easily with 10.000.000 solar systems) in various configurable patterns and nebulas (which was a damn difficult task as well!). In the company I work, I am #1 person for Math (2D, 3D, algorithms) related jobs.
What the F. ?
"10.000.000"
Haha, CAUGHT you, you European!
: - )
How the fuck is that even a feature?!? I'm pissed
Punch cards.
Thick paper stock, sharp punches.
Enough said.
Why on earth would you not count the vote as a whole number ?
Yes this data is from MN. Catastrophic error to the case as noted by the Powerlineblog guys from MN - (lawyers) known for bringing to light the fraud and deception of our own Ilhan Omar.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/11/do-trumps-lawyers-know-what-they-are-doing.php
Wow, that is a huge gaff if true.
And this right here is why they’re pushing ranked choice voting, even in states like Alaska.
Once the fractional votes are introduced, detecting fraud will be virtually impossible.
Cheat code was supposed to be UPUP/DOWNDOWN/LEFTRIGHT/LEFTRIGHT/BA START
Idiots...
BOOM! HEADSHOT!
verify??!??
if so MODS STICKY
Can someone please explain the codes on the image: eevp, tv, bv?
eevp is "estimated expected vote percentage." ..."
( https://abc13.com/how-do-counties-count-votes-precinct-reporting-explained-what-does-mean-abc13-voter-information-2020/7583072/ )
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I noticed that shit on some official numbers somewhere. They were awarding fractions of a vote. The only way that shit could happen is if they were awarding fractions of votes for each real vote. This shit is such a joke I can't wait for Trump to spend 4 years throwing all these fucking commies in prison. I hope he tracks all these fuckers down all over the world.
Love how voting machines with these "features" were allowed In the first place. The people who allowed the purchase of these machines should face criminal charges
why is any court letting this slide? "raw voter data" and we're getting decimals?
Is this the guy that broke the Kentucky governor vote switching?
The Biden Bastards and Bitches tout their mastery of Science, but seemed to have all failed Calculus.
If this algorithm is proven, then we should audit every single state that uses Dominion or SmartMatic. If it’s the 1.25B for .75T, that means that every “fourth” Trump vote is switched to Biden and taken away from Trump (.25 x 4). So it’s incredibly plausible that Trump eclipsed 80mm votes
fraction magic
How the FUCK is this ok to have as a “feature” in a voting machine.
I am absolutely distraught that they are submitting this as evidence when they're literally comparing apples to oranges by assigning Michigan vote totals to towns in Minnesota. It was a dumb mistake, likely caused by being rushed to get this in front of a court (MI/MN mixup?) but it will be completely dismissed as evidence and make Trump's team look bad.
Unfortunately true.
How do we know this is legit? It’s not fully signed on the last page by a notary or witness.
Could someone explain to me how a "Ranked Choice" algorithm has any business being within a voting system?
THERE IS NO PROTECTED REAL-TIME AUDIT LOG. WHAT THE HELL. THIS IS TERRIBLE.
Either they meant it to be amateur hour or they were amateurs.
what is EEVP?
Yeah why not just tally the integers there is no fraction of a vote if you're not cheating
I dunno guys, maybe someone wanted 0.386 of their vote to count
This also means the 3/5 Compromise has been applied to Trump voters.
I'll share this for anyone that needs to see it. This was found several years back but couldn't seem to gain any traction. They've been using it for years!
This explains how it works with real examples. Very informative. https://youtu.be/Fob-AGgZn44
Bennie Smith was on Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai's recent video as well-
https://youtu.be/Ztu5Y5obWPk
Don’t kill me, but it sounds like we are assuming that each Timestamp is one bite that is being divided. Can’t it be the case that each stamp is a batch of votes, and that the decimals are showing then percentage of that batch scored for each candidate? Or even running calculations of percent of vote total?
You a cyber criminal bruh
TFW Democrats still think some people are only 3/5 of a person....
They use this type of voting system in high-rise condos.
Say your condo is only 600sqft but your neighbors is 1200sq. You get .5 a vote to your neighbors 1 vote in issues with the building.
It's not supposed to be used in federal elections....
Any excuse to put any floating point number format system on the market.
Then they can get the ignorant or allegedly payed off electron officials to buy them.
The Democrats only consider black votes at 3/5ths of a white vote. Problem solved!
Read this last night. It makes the 4am jumps for Biden make more sense.
This is some good stuff. The only question is; redo the election or full audit/recount?