posted ago by Carolina
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Half of the small sample of voting data from Michigan included in the affidavit is below.
Michigan Timestamp Trump Biden T votes B votes 2020-11-04706:54:482 0.534 0.448 1925865.66 1615707.52 2020-11-04706:56:472 0.534 0.448 1930247.66 1619383.808 2020-11-04706:58:472 0.534 0.448 1931413.386 1620361.792
My son is very liberal, and may not be reading any of the evidence we are reading (uncovering!). I would like to at least give him numbers and explanations that he understands which may be convincing to a programmer
Have him watch this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhwarD7ihks if he has any understanding of systems analysis, he will understand the fraud, if he says he doesnt, he is lying.
Correct, as a systems engineer I had my eyes fully opened once I saw the cyber security analysis of the setup
same here, 20 years in the business. Another poster pointed this out to me a few days back. I was completely calling BS on the vote fraud scenario, and boy did I stand corrected. I watched this, blew my mind. No way is it LARP shit, I am familiar with a couple of the guys behind it and their work.
Really? That is hopeful. Thank you.
Thank you. Sounds like what he might respond to. If he doesn't, it will show ME that he won't listen to really good, math-based evidence because of his liberal bias. I have some hope that this might be enough to open his eyes.
Its irrefutable that it shows the absolute potential for voter fraud. He may not admit it to you, but if he watches it, he will not be able to lie to himself deep down. Its bittersweet to me, because it means all the forthcoming evidence is cold, has been around for awhile, feds knew it, did nothing. Same fraud in Kentucky 2018 is on a larger scale here in 2020.
Tell him:
If = Democrat elected
Then = Cheating Happened
Else= Drain Swamp
lol!
First, make him explain his position. Occam's Razor isn't a programming principle as much as it is a glib statement to mean, "the simplest solution is often the best one."
Honestly, with my lib friends and family I've gone dark with 80% of them on election talk. I'm compiling "best of" evidence (though my main computer since crashed, figures), and when Trump takes this back I'll just hand them the hard drive and say "if you want to know what happened, look here and we can talk afterwards. But unless you look into this I don't want to hear how Trump's implementing some kind of coup."
Edit: if you're in MI, just ask him to listen to the statements of the people who were there in Michigan "observing" the election. Republicans, but still every day citizens. This channel does an amazing job of the long form interviews with these individuals. I'm amazed YT hasn't nuked it yet.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCekdKDk6d8opUrUEXtXD4XQ
Good idea. I will do the same. I don't understand his point that the simplest solution is often the best one. It doesn't explain votes coming in with percent allocations and counted in decimals, does it?
Of course it doesn't. He's just trying to dismiss you by saying, "stop sounding like a conspiracy theorist" in a pretentious way that makes himself sound superior. No offense to your son, though. At the end of the day, it's always better prioritizing family over politics.
It'll be impossible to change hearts and minds over text, FB, Twitter, and every other platform that has a character limit, unfortunately.
Thank you. Not in MI, and he might not regard even everyday Republicans as reputable witnesses. I will take this link, though, and maybe send it after first trying a computer scientist response. : )
I'd also, then, point to the DefCon conference in NV in which they were asked to hack the election systems, and most did so within 24 hours easily--this includes the 2019 conference. Dominion purveyed a knowingly flawed system with countless issues that bad actors could easily hack.
This is a good point ^
Longer response:
So he is saying that the simplest explanation is that there is no wide spread fraud so Trump must be lying. AKA - bury his head in the sand and pretend everything is okay.
You have to point out that Occum's razor does not apply here because there is no simpler alternative.
There are only two alternatives:
There has been a systematic fraud that has been perpetrated over decades and has corrupted the entire political establishment
Hundreds of videos are fake, hundreds of people lied under oath, reputable lawyers like Sidney and Lin Wood are sullying their reputation and legacy for no good reason, there must be a complex non-mathematical explanation for all the statistical anomolies, and for vote counts to "glitch" always for Biden but almost never for Trump, for > 100% voting in so many precincts, etc.
Ask him which is the simplest explanation? First choice or second. Ask him as a professional computer programmer, if this was not about something he is emotionally invested in, and it was a pure abstract problem, what would be his analytical solution ?
Thank you. Very good points. I am getting good answers from a lot of people here.
Dr shiva's vote analysis
OCKHAM'S RAZOR just says that the simplest explanation is the most likely solution.
So, your son thinks there are more simple explanations. Ask him what they are. Then ask him if he thinks that it is likely that the CIA or other groups have rigged elections in the past. Then when he admits that it is likely, ask him what would be the simplest way for them to rig them (software in voting machines should be an option)
If he thinks the simplest explanation is that Biden was more popular, ask him how Trump got 10MM more votes than last election, and beat his 2016 performance almost everywhere while Biden under-performed Hillary in most places. And Only in the large pop centers of 4 swing states did Biden have substantial gains which just happened to be where he needed to win to get over 270.
Great points. If we get into a back-and-forth discussion, these will be ones I can point out. Others pointed out that little drips of information is probably best. These are good, concise points.
Unacceptable to a Democrat. I need math (remember they are all about math and science! Ha!)
I sort of suspected that he was blowing smoke to get me to back off. He knew I wouldn't know how to answer that. I will send him some of the proof I've seen provided here on TD showing the flipped votes. I doubt he has seen any of it, and maybe hasn't even heard that happened. He just is glad Biden (Bernie/AOC) won.
Also have him read through this https://archive.is/MH7J3
Thank you! I will give him answers suggested here.
There's also this as a side dish. Notice the stolen memory sticks outta michigan and computers with statewide data stolen outta geogia👇
https://thedonald.win/p/11QRfcGgP0/voter-fraud-nov-19th-6-months-of/
All one needs to do is look at the votes on down ballot candidates especially the house elections where Republicajs picked up 13 seats and compare swing states to other states. Republicans won across the board in those house elections BUT... only in the democrat controlled swing states Trump got dramatically lower vote totals than the republican house candidates.
The left loves to claim "well republicans simply couldn't handle voting for that fascist tyrant and voted biden".
If that were the case, why did it only happen in those specific states and not nation wide?
I'm a cyber security guy—programming is something I know.
Occam's Razor isn't a programming question. All it means is that the simplest answer is usually the best.
Given the fact that we have eyewitness testimonies (MI eyewitnesses) who watched people tamper with ballots and themselves saw illegal activity. If you want raw statistical data (programmers aren't necessarily great statisticians), even taking into account selection bias from mail-in ballots (this just means that votes by mail are more likely to be by Biden voters than President Trump voters), there's an insurmountable ratio between Biden and President Trump's vote totals in more than once instance. Or in other words, even accounting for extremely liberal voters, the vote ratios that we're seeing just aren't logical.
There are multiple precincts with greater voter turnout than there are voters. We have records of people voting in multiple states. We have thousands upon thousands of ballots with votes for only Joe Biden and none downticket (even assuming protest votes, the ratios we're talking about defy all semblance of logic). We have an eyewitness in Georgia who saw mail-in-ballots (the ones you fold up and put in an envelope to send out) without any crease from being folded, on pristine sheets of paper, and with perfectly filled-in circles like from a machine. We have records of people returning mail-in ballots before they were originally mailed out (though this isn't a smoking gun (could be because of weird data processing decisions), it's highly unusual). We have all but one bellweather counties going to President Trump and him still "losing" the election, which is unprecedented. We have USPS workers who have stated under oath that they were backdating ballots.
If you want an immediate smoking gun, have your son look up the voter registration for one of the thousands of dead people who have voted in Michigan (https://checkyourvote.org/deceased-voters/michigan) or Pennsylvania (https://checkyourvote.org/deceased-voters/pennsylvania) himself.
More than anything though, remember to put your relationship with your son over your relationship with politics. Family is much more important, and he'll see soon enough once it's all said and done.
Thank you. You are so right about our relationship being more important. We talk about politics every so often, sometimes getting into heated discussions, but always ending happily. One time, I asked him to tell me one instance of socialism / communism that ever worked anywhere. He looked startled, thought a minute, and said he couldn't. That was a chink in the armor.
I am afraid that if he accepts this election as valid and Trump doesn't prevail in the election, my son won't have a good chance ever again to see how evil the dems are. There is so much clear evidence of cheating available, if we could just get dem voters to look at it and rationally consider it.
Give it time. The election was only two and a half weeks ago. Not very long in the scheme of things—the truth will come out.
I’m a computer programmer yet here I am. Lol
He is saying:
I will write a longer reply to this, but ask your son, as a computer programmer, what he can deduce by applying the occum's razor to a voting software that uses floating point math to count votes.
Is there some really complex reason that explains why floating point was needed?
Or the simple reason that they wanted the ability to cheat?
Thank you! I will try this first, I think. Seems simple enough to come from me after getting informed.
There may be nothing you can give him right now, if he is so very liberal. When and if we have more info on that server, he may accept that information, but even then, it’s hard to convince someone who isn’t open to the possibility of being wrong.
You are probably right. I try every so often, but with things that are neutral, like math, not too much with ideology. Thank you.
That’s not to say there’s no hope, but generally try to keep the “convincing” to small meme-like comments just to get them thinking, even if it’s trying to disprove what you’re saying. It took me 3 years doing this with my sister and even July this year would tell me she absolutely was not voting for Trump.
She voted for Trump.
A slow drip can be more effective than a flood of information.
Congratulations! What a good brother! I bet she is thankful you kept at it the right way.
One simple question is this: why are votes input as floating variables and not discrete integers and why would their be a method for weighting the vote variable A vote is a single discrete item, yet the tabulation software specifically calls out features to cost then as 3 digit precision floating values, i.e. a vote can be represented as .568 or .432
Thank you. A good answer for him, I think.
Very clear for me. Several suggestions have been like this, and I think this is what I can reasonably respond with. Thank you!
I know his bias is so great that he thinks there should be no rent and no police, free everything and he is quite a lot farther left than Biden (his words). His judgment is clouded.
Don't let the trolls bother you. The handshake icon should be a warning sign.
Thank you. I'm an older woman, I don't get too flustered at rudeness! In this case, the comment was deleted before I got to it.
Edit: Oop! I DID read it and answered. As I said, I'm an older woman. : D