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posted ago by UhtredRagnarok ago by UhtredRagnarok +5693 / -0

If you believe that, every single one of you patriots here and across the USA speaking out are already revolutionary heroes to the nation we all love.

I believe that.

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Maxberg 45 points ago +46 / -1

Lol... And cyber criminals.

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Knight1_of_Sunset 20 points ago +21 / -1

Fox calling us cyber-criminals means that Fox has learned nothing from the time they called Anonymous "Hackers on Steroids" and an "Internet Hate Machine".

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getkek 12 points ago +14 / -2

Fox is sticking to the NWO plan even as their Hindenburg begins to consume itself in a fiery spectacle.

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Orwellthatendswell 9 points ago +9 / -0

The key sentences here are "against totalitarianism" and "Socialism, as I understand it".

His personal definition of Socialism was very different to that of his peers, and of those today - because it was anti-totalitarian. He was completely against tyranny. 1984 and Animal Farm are about the most effective attacks on 20th Century Socialism ever written.

If you've read any Orwell, you'll see that he loathed Communism and the Soviet Union, and the British Empire, yet was deeply patriotic to England itself. He was simply appalled at Imperialism and the state of the poor/working class at the time (what he saw as economic tyranny), and wanted to change the system to benefit them. But democratically, via debate.

He wasn't much different to us. He wanted out of foriegn occupations, loved his country, and wanted the common man to get a fair deal. He was just sentimentally attached to the label of Socialism for his personal vision, while simultaneously being the fiercest critic of every practical version of Socialism (as we know it today), at a time when that was a deeply unpopular take among his peers.

Remember, back then, the poor were living 5 to a room, working 60 hour weeks in a mine, and dying of malnutrition. It's a very different scenario than today where you can be poor, yet have a 4k TV and a Netflix subscription.

I'm pretty sure if Orwell were alive today to see how much poverty Capitalism has eliminated, he'd have an evolved view.

Regarding his fighting in the Spanish Civil war, Homage to Catalonia (his account) is essentially him admitting his naivety, the corruption and factionalisation of the left, and ends with having to flee from Communist attempts on his life after they purge the Marxist faction he was attached to.

There was no religious element either. The church was part of the military/fascist/monarchy faction (mainly as they were huge landowners) but that plays no real part in him opposing that side.

The Road to Wigan Pier's first half is an attack on the failures (at the time) of Capitalism, but the second half is a blistering takedown of the corruption, vanity, degeneracy, ignorance, and folly of your average Socialist, and explains why the poor and working class have no interest in Socialism as a philosophy as a result.

Orwell was a Socialist who hated other Socialists, and Socialist governments, and an anti-Capitalist who deeply loved his country despite his own criticism of it.

He's not a simple man to pin down on today's left/right spectrum, despite both claiming him. But his core values were hatred of oppression, love of country, duty to the less fortunate, and a desire for a fair society.

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Home_ 3 points ago +3 / -0

Is there a clip or something of them callin us cyber criminals? I totally missed that, I always seem to miss the best stuff lol

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Donaldiscool 1 point ago +2 / -1

Supposedly if you read the article they were actually referencing a different website... but nobody read the article, just the out of context headline.