I don't. The only way this can happen is if Biden stays out of office. If he gets in I'd bet my left testicle (that's the better of the two) that he sells out US interests to PRC.
Then it will be MAGA and military peeps against the commies.
The purpose of the civil war is to remove the CCP’s allies among us before taking down the CCP. It will be a very short war. We simply take down the great firewall of china and release the evidence that COVID-19 is a bioweapon. The Chinese people will take care of the CCP for us.
Our jackass traitors will betray the country with the help of foreign help
True, at least initially, but not in longer term as the Deep State & Demonrat traitors working for globalists/leftist Jews are fundamentally at odds with Commie China for its rejection of their New Word Order (Kalergi Plan) via open borders. They are rivals, not allies, in their ultimate goal of world domination. Commie China already set 2050 as its timeline for overtaking US in military dominance. In fact, it was the leftist Jews in US that initiated US official sanctions against Commie China for its putting Muslim savages, their allies, into concentration camps, and Commie China knew that. The best they could become are "frenemies", as back-stabbing, traitorous moneychanger Henry Kissinger smells blood and goes for the kill as the snake is selling America to Commie China, just as he sold South Vietnam to Commie China 50 years earlier. Indeed, though having the most concentrated wealth, leftist Jews are fewest in number. That's why they constantly have to usurp power for themselves and their puppets to be in the position of political power to order, pay, manage others to be their foot soldiers in their dirty wars and destroy their rivals on their behalf. Muslim savages are their favorite pawns in carrying out population replacement and uprooting Christianity in the West, but they also try to spill American Christian blood in endless Middle East wars, especially under jihadi Barry Soetoro's reign of terror (Trump didn't take their bait in Syrian war, fortunately).
Muslim savage bitches Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, Tariq Nasheed, etc. are already fiercely anti-Biden for ignoring Muslim savages in favor of his 2nd master Commie China, because they know they might loose their twitter accounts or even end up in house arrest if Cheater Joe becomes POTUS.
Yea using our troops to protect the CIA's poppy fields in Afghanistan to keep the opioid shit going and padding their pockets for other black op off the books shit.
The msm gleefully announced which countries and leaders called “president elect” Joe Biden to offer support. Not sure if there was something deeper there. Or perhaps the msm isn’t that clever and there was nothing more to those announcements other than just another reason to write more about their man, joe.
I get what you’re saying but look at who is involved with the attempted coup of the President. You can’t have a reset without lockdowns. There are way to many players involved in this. A lot of money and power will strike hard one last time. To think these people and world leaders are going to say yes to their assets being seized is wishful thinking
Officially started. They’ve been at war with us. Imagine this, what if someone wrote: Destroyed industries, chemical and biological warfare, double agents, sabotage, using propaganda on another’s country. Does it sound like WWII or is that what’s going on now?
Sun Tzu: 1) “The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.”, and 2). “Supreme excellence consists of breaking the enemy’s resistance without fighting.”
Our President has already defeated the enemy. They have not yet realized that checkmate happened many, many moves ago.
Same points used for Covid. “Please agree to unconditional surrender with zero resistance before the fighting begins.” So far, we’ve mostly said yes. People are finally figuring out that perhaps they should be saying no.
At this point I find it very profitable to consider the Melian Dialogues as well.
PS. Machiavelli wasn't an evil asshole; he was a very heartbroken, disillusioned idealist...people should really read more than just "The Prince" so as to provide proper context for that far more subtle and sophisticated work than what is often given
This is the correct answer. Until president Trump was elected we weren't even defending ourselves. ChyNa was winning a war America didn't know she was fighting. Our middle class our children were the first casualties.
I’ve been studying Chinese military history lately and basically we know that this is exactly how China has always fought its wars. This is 100% a hot war by chinas standards.
There are a lot of things in this place that fill me with joy, there's a brilliance here that's hard to quantify with words. Then there's this!!! No one studies history anymore, obviously not no one because you do. But it's not a common pursuit. The present is changing so fast too many people think history is irrelevant. It isn't it's the key to everything.
The leftists have been calling us Nazis for the last four and a half years! If you look at what they do from having Antifa and BLM function as brown shirts. They want to absolutely silence political descent in America. This election looks a whole lot more like 1930s Germany than 21st century America.
I’m a history teacher and a big part of the problem is that history is not taught thoroughly anymore. Everything is taught through a social justice lens. It’s all about the struggle of certain groups and the overcoming obstacles. It’s important to teach those things, but it only gives you a small portion of the whole story.
I’ve found that I have learned way more about history by studying wars and military history than I ever did when getting my history degree. That stuff is so much more important, but we just ignore it because it is not fashionable in the current SJW culture.
FDR was a good president, he did some pretty questionable things to draw America into World War II. In my opinion if he hadn't done them the Nazis might have won and the world would be a horrible place. That doesn't make all the things he did right but maybe it made them necessary. That's a small slice of a pivotal piece of History that isn't taught in school.
Field Marshall Montgomery was not a great general he had an ego problem and he was a little bit of a peacock. He won battles because of superior intelligence not because of tactics or brilliance. He wasn't a bad commander and the British empire desperately needed a hero. So the choices that were made were probably the right ones. That's never been taught anywhere and no one really knew the full magnitude of that until the Blenchly Park stuff was declassified.
The greatest hero of World War II was a borderline autistic mathematician that happened to be gay and was persecuted for that. The only reason anybody knows his name is because of Science Fiction and a Hollywood movie.
Schools need to teach real unapologetic history, and also teach propaganda. Too many people think that propaganda was a thing that the Nazi's and North Korea did, and that it would never happen here.
The neocons/neolibs have been trying their damndest to Weimar our republic. They simply haven't had someone charismatic enough to bring together their willing factions. They have no Hitler.
The try with Barry Obama netted the most corrupt administration in US history. Neocons gave us ¡Jeb (please clap) and Mittens please deport.
My young friends voting for the first time asked their old crazy uncle why everyone hated Trump so much. The simple answer was because he was telling the truth. All of the leftist kids screaming about speaking truth to power.... what a laugh. When it actually happened they completely missed it!!
Brought to you by the Chinese. They can’t win in a military conflict so they must try to bring you down and weaken you from within.
They bribe, extort and ideologically push their culture within Hollywood, big tech and the media. They know the west weakness is greed and degeneracy (Hunter Biden)
They want a civil war, which is exactly what happens if the culture war goes to shit. If not they would at least weaken you with communism.
Started by the bolsheviks over a hundred years ago and then perpetuated by the soviets for decades before the fall. The chinese have done nothing but push along something that was already moving forward and would have caused issues no matter what. They're just making it worse than it would have been.
While I've been anti-CCP longer than most of you have been alive, I disagree that the main malevolent actor here is Communist China.
The West's main enemy is internal and has been for decades. The deep state, globalists, whatever you want to call them. Those who detest patriotism and see the American republic only as a tool to accomplish their ends.
I told my wife something similar last night. I give it a 90% chance that no matter what happens we end up in a shooting war. But if anybody can thread that needle to avoid it, it’s Trump.
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Once again, this only makes sense if Traitor Trump is doing what Putin has asked him to do: destabilize the West.
Not allowing other countries to spy on us = destabilization = fools use words they don't even know the definition of because it makes their bullshit sound convincing to fellow fools = Orange Man Bad
They are communists that view the west as a socialist state, so Trump is in fact "destabilizing" socialism. MAGA is a dangerous uprising that is revolting against the oligarchy. They aren't wrong.
edit: And maybe Trump IS working with Putin to resist communism. This may also be true.
Putin knows that after China is done with us, they are next. They must help us as carefully as they can to prevent China from targeting Russia before USA has rejected China fully
Of course. What’s crazy making is all their squawking makes Putin more powerful in Russia because he gets so much press and must be tough to scare the Americans. His political rivals are frustrated with our media too.
A look at the history of that treaty is very enlightening -- when it was proposed; when it finally got ratified; and who are the member states involved (and who isn't).
About the treaty? It was initially proposed by Eisenhower to the Russians (who said "nyet!"). It was later ratified in 2002, and only includes Europe, Russia, and N. America (except for Mexico/Central America).
I have my own opinions about all of this, of course -- and they may be either very correct or very wrong. Nevertheless, signals are important...I'll leave it at that.
Do you have any books/article recommendations on the history of America/Russia relations? Looking for uncucked versions. Asking you cause your point about Yeltsin was pretty interesting
That makes sense. Thanks for your history pede. I am burning with curiosity to know more about all this but I know that if I ever search around or ask people I know, I’ll get some globalist revisionist history garbage.
The USSR was dismantled before this occurred. The individual countries were all bankrupt, in disarray, and unkempt. Why would be need this treaty literally weeks after the USSR broke up?
I’ve thought of Trump a more of a Sulla character. If he truly succeeds in draining the swamp and restore the republic it delays the civil war for 30 or 40 years. But in the act may lay the key for a future Caesar to take power.
The only way Trump is a Caesar is if he has been conspiring with big tech, and the deep state, behind the scenes, this whole time, which I don’t really see.
Analogies with ancient Rome are trite anyways, as the fall of the ancient republic served as an object lesson that our founding fathers consciously sought to avoid, and therefore constructed the constitution accordingly. We’ll see
Instead of lead doing us in, bisphenol A and soy have estrogen poisoned the entire globe, creating seas of cucks for Dems to ride without saddle into battle.
Not much of a choice at this point. Either deep state backs down and allows Trump to be re-elected as the voters want, or we are going to have a civil war unfortunately.
That's some kingslayer shit right there. They say ready to die...fir some people who signed the 📜 of independence...just imagine what the redcoats did to those patriots... lost everything
While that is wishful thinking....I remain skeptical. The military and intelligence agencies are compartmentalized which means whoever is calling the shots/putting the pieces in play....they are able to remain unseen and unaccountable in a sea of "classified" bureaucracy. A bureaucracy which is full of unwitting helpers who are just doing tasks set before them. This is the industrial complex that Eisenhower warned about.
The Germans also had their own version of the “Bill of Rights”. It really didn’t help them that much, did it? Just like the American Bill of Rights is not enforced today. What? You think that the Utah data Collection Center obeys the fourth amendment? What? People, the entire purpose of the regulatory agency the ATF is to infringe on the second amendment. Know your history. Do not allow yourself to be disarmed. Never allow yourself to be disarmed. That is the worst thing that you can do. Do not be a fool. Disarmed people obey the government when they are herded into the cattle cars.
Leftists develop hard power after they have successfully subverted a culture or nation. Don't make the mistake that it isn't something they can manifest, because they will if left unchecked in the phase we're currently in.
As a resident of CA, there’s a lot of cucks here who’d be all too happy to give China a foothold for cash and a guarantee of safety, not understanding that they’ll be disposed of once they outlive their usefulness. Though, I doubt they’d be able to get through our insane naval power.
That’s just it. Our Navy is so powerful. Like orders of magnitude more powerful than any other navy on earth. And who knows what tech we have that we civilians don’t even know about.
Zero chance for any land invasion.
Maybe “invasion-by-proxy” using people already here, but how there be enough of them to mount any kind of offensive without immediately being put down by the swarm of patriots around them?
First they’ll try to disarm us with the Communist Blue City/State Cops and legislation (ban online sales of guns and ammo, then ban body armor). They’ll need the populace disarmed and clubbed into compliance. We’ll need to weed out the “muh orders” Gestapo, and then prepare to deal with any corrupt and cucked military generals. And while we seem to generally have faith that vets and military rank and file will back Patriots, everyone needs to prepare to fight some sort of turncoat military force if it comes to war. I’m a lowly HR assistant living in a Blue State and I’ve been convinced to spend a significant chunk of cash on equipment that a militiaman should have (I’m waiting for a plate carrier and saving money for high quality plates). We need sleeper agents in every blue state ready to go. Can’t count on anything going to 100% to plan.
This. We own the seas. Nobody can field a force against our carrier fleets and subs. We can force project whole airwings from the sea - and China has a large coastline. We also have Japan as a staging point, and Hawaii.
The only thing China has is warm bodies - and they're not terribly effective when they're standing on the other side of the Pacific.
No, China could use a breakdown in the US to attack and capture targets in its sphere such as India, Japan and of course, Taiwan. Russia might likewise do so on a smaller scale to their West.
You need to think differently. The support has all been put in place for them to use. The critical node is the people. Stop them before they start. Head of the snake and work your way down.
It would have to be intense and fast if we're talking kinetic.
If its not the above then all the US+Allies has to do is setup a navy blockade. They are a net importer of food.
Yeah, that's right. The most populace country on earth can't feed itself and has insufficient oil. They'd be fucked if they can't get the job done fast.
I think you're right -- he will not (at least it is not at all likely -- never say never, after all). Whether it goes all the way to the nuclear option is still in question. (and no, I don't mean nukes; it's a figure of speech).
While you may be right about it resolving the unresolvable, and sometimes necessary, if you just see it as “uncomfortable “, then you are likely a sociopath or psycopath, commie shill, or a wannabe LARP.
It may be necessary and unavoidable, but is a lot more than just “uncomfortable “.
"sociopath or psycopath, commie shill, or a wannabe LARP."
How about warriors willing to lay down their lives to preserve the republic for their children's children? Where would they fit in?
It goes both ways you see.. i think we can all agree that it is experienced uniquely on an individual basis. And you can hardly categorize all of those unique experiences into those 4 archetypes.
I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but I think the point trying to be made is: you may need to reconcile yourself (should such a fight happen) to the possibility you may not have any children or children's children left at the end of it.
Civil wars are rather nasty, and there is never any guarantee of survival (for yourself, for the ones you love). That is why they are only to be as a last resort, when all else fails (people tend to always remember the part in our Declaration that starts with: "...that whenever any form of government...", and always forget the part that follows: "Prudence, indeed, will dictate....").
Avoiding war if possible in the pursuit of goals is always the best option, but if it comes to that, then do it after prudent avoidance and with the resolve that all other attempts have failed...and with the clear vision that it's not going to be a walk in the park on a summer's day.
Me too but I will tell you Ive spent many years in countries at war. It is very disruptive and for many way more than just uncomfortable. There will be lots of death and disease however, if our side does it correct, only liberal cities will be battlegrounds. Then the insurgency of leftist will begin and we will have to hunt them down one at a time or in small cells. These peoples masters built isis. They are acrually very good at as long S there is little push back like the riots of late. We will crush them and many decent t people will suffer and die too. Statistically 1 person from every 3 families die in a shooting civil war. 5 percent. About 16 million people. That's a war to respect and a bit more than u comfortable.
Fuck yeah. Let’s resurrect the Viking mentality - some things need to die for others to live. What if I want to talk of peace and understanding, but you only understand the language of the sword?
I don't see a civil war as a particularly bad thing, rather a temporarily uncomfortable thing.
You've clearly never seen a day of combat in your life, and that's not a bad thing. You would do well to try everything in your power to keep it that way, because every single day is a day where you will quite possibly not make it home to go to bed and wake up the next morning.
People are rightly apprehensive given history's examples of civil war, including our own. They can be devastating, and worse, weaken us at a time that enemies abroad will act to expand and consolidate their own power. The latter may be the biggest risk by far.
Violence and war against our own countrymen should be an absolute last resort. We should try everything else before even going to that option.
Most people don't want to kill people. Especially their brothers. The civil war devastated us as a people. Especially to our morale. It creates animosity too. One side is seen is as the subjugator.
War messes people up. Permanently. This isn't Call of Duty. You don't get to respawn and targets don't vanish once the poly count has been reached. The last thing anyone would want is to harm others. Only when pushed to the brink should that option even be considered. I don't want to see my friends and family have half their face shot off and screaming in agony, or burned by a car bomb, or ambushed from a high rise to rack up body counts. I don't want to hear them scream in pain or drown in their own blood. I don't want to see their limbs destroyed or blown off. I don't want to smell singed hair and melted flesh. I don't want to see the blank stares in peoples eyes that can't recall the horror's of what they've seen and done.
Atrocities are performed on both sides. If there was a civil war, imagine the rampant rape, theft, murder, and brutality that would occur.
That is the only major downside of civil war. If its not dealt with quickly then we risk being swept up by another country. That is why I think if this does happen, its going to end fast. 0-100 real quick. Preferably avoid engagements altogether and night of the long knives this shit.
Yeah, the movie, "The Social Network" really glosses over the relationship then-Harvard president Larry Summers had with Facebook, instead portraying him as some dean that just waved off the Winklevoss twins when they objected.
If that were the case there'd be no such thing as strategic reconnaissance aircraft like U2 or GlobalHawk.
As good as the satellite cameras are, they're still relatively far from what they're photographing. Take a similar camera and put it relatively close to the target (i.e. at U2 or GlobalHawk altitude), and you're obviously going to get a better picture.
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And any military mobilization would immediately be on the news. The government can't silence the media to the same extent that it did during the Cold War, and even if it could, it can't effectively censor the internet.
They could take inventory of all of our aircraft, bases and be able to guess a lot about the size of our military and what our capabilities would look like. But yes anything secret they wouldnt be able to see. We also have boneyards like in Tucson of our B-52 bombers that have had the wings cut off and laid out next to the airplanes so the Soviet’s could see we were disarming and reducing our ability to fly from the US bomb Russia and fly back. With this treaty gone we could put those planes back into service and not need to keep them on display anymore
Because that was the country it was originally proposed with? Russia was the country to propose the Treaty. I wouldn’t be so quick to think the Russians would be on the side of the capitalists.
This war we are going into isn’t country v country. It’s the governments of the world trying to usurp all power. It’s the people v the state. I’m sure the Russian people would back us but not the government. This is the central banking system, the deep state, the globalists, all working to take control of the entire world. We are the last bastion of freedom in the world. We are the front line and the final battle for the globalists and central banking system to take total control.
No. No foreign involvement. This is a purely internal matter, and we’ll handle it ourselves, the way we always have - with our good friends Smith and Wesson at our side.
I am a professional pilot and have flown over the Tucson boneyard many times. A lot of our Cold War era aircraft were cut up and put on display so the Russians could see they are not capable of flying when we ended the Cold War in 1992. I am pretty sure that they could be reassembled flown. Rumor has it all the SR-71s are still airworthy and can be deployed in short notice if we lost our satellite system.
For example, in Utah at Hill AFB they have an incredible museum of retired aircraft. They have an SR-71 on display and it looks like they could push the engine back into the nacelle do an inspection throw some fresh batteries into it, gas it up and fly.
The SR-71s I've seen on display are altered from what I saw in the hanger. It may be superficial,. but the "skin" isn't the same to the touch anymore (it was like mid-grit sandpaper), and some areas that were "rubberized" like the leading edges are hard now. I'm not sure how far they took the preservation process.
Interesting well i guess that squashed that rumor. I’m sure though they could still get them airworthy rather quickly if motivated enough. Analog aircraft are rare these days and the reliance on digital tech is becoming so insane if there was an EMP most (95% or more) commercial airliners would be dead. I fly a Learjet and I’m pretty sure I could still fly in the event of an EMP I only have a couple digital systems on board. I wouldn’t be IFR capable unless the VORs and ILSs were still operational
Question - the leading edges were rubberized? I wonder how they survived the extreme temperatures the surface would endure in high speed flight. I thought the skin got over 1000 degrees in sustained super sonic flight
Given the state of current technology I'm amazed this is used for anything other than flying a jet over another nation for the hell of it. Satellites have completely replaced this.
When I was in Canada October last year I went from Montreal to Michigan on the 401 and 402. Every single place I stopped there was as many south Asian MAMs as there were native Canadians in general. I just thought they were a cucked out nation as we'd assume. I told my buddy that is an ex green beret and his first comment was "are the mobilizing MAMs" .
Not sure if that's a plan of theirs but if so they're in for a world of hurt. As soon as they cross the border its all red counties and wilderness. The last time the British sent canadian troops into New York they got harassed and decimated before they could reach Albany.
I saw some list where Canada claimed to be the most “free” nation in the world and I couldn’t stop laughing. Sad part is. It’s something people believe.
He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’ ; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.” The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.” “That’s enough!” he replied.
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Frankly restarting the Civil Defense Program is probably advisable at this point. The General population won’t likely be able to afford building bunkers.
But learning how to build basic fallout shelters in their basements is more feasible.
During the Cold War. A Civil Defense group existed in one form or another. It’s main purpose was to organize and direct Local, State, and Federal preparedness for an attack on the U.S. Be it conventional, biological, chemical, Nuclear etc.
It also handled emergency communications and warning systems; post-attack assistance and damage assessment; preparedness planning; and government continuity.
The logo may seem familiar. A Blue Circle with a White Triangle in the middle with a Red CD in the triangle.
The Agency was dissolved in the late 70s and it’s duties handed to FEMA.
The thing about this specific move is it was initiated 6 months ago in May. So unless they gamed it out and knew this is where we would be currently, then this is not really related to the election or anything Lin Wood is saying right now. Not discounting Wood, but just trying to keep it all straight. Could still be an important coincidence regardless.
I sure as hell picked the wrong time to buy my Dad’s company from the bank. But there really wasn’t a good choice otherwise. Doesn’t help that I bought a project car instead of a project firearm in April.
What’s your weather prediction for how much shitstorm PA gets?
Nah. That's just Toronto and the Eastern Provinces. Go west of Ontario there will be no difference with the Republican states. Central Provinces and Western Provinces not named British Columbia are conservative. In fact, Alberta wants to separate from Canada and join US
Annexation (Latin ad, to, and nexus, joining) is the administrative action[1] and concept in international law relating to the forcible acquisition of one state's territory by another state and is generally held to be an illegal act.
Recall, Germany annexed Poland at the start of WWII. This is not "on the table', it was just another pede playing RISK, not talking about reality. This really doesn't deserve this much attention.
Simply put- US will no longer allow other nations to fly over any part of sovereign soil for any type of data gathering for the sake of that nation's own "national security".
I think its just a way of removing and enemy's piece from the table. Looks like before any ally could just fly over and see what's going on in the US. Now they can't. Cancellation means we just removed their eyes and degree of intel they can get easily from us.
Our enemies are deepstate / globalists - its foolish to believe they will willingly be taken out via the legal route. They too have their own ammo boxes and they've spent decades preparing.
When trump wins, not just the election, but cleans up deepstate. The globalists know they are fucked. Trump didn't give himself streamlined access to special operations for shits and giggles.
We won't allow the parties included in that treaty to fly over us and vice-versa, unarmed, for the sake of data farming/seeing what we are doing militarily/nuclear. The parties who signed the original agreement are Belarus, Belgium, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Georgia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Turkey, Ukraine, the United Kingdom, and the United States. Kyrgyzstan has signed, but not ratified the treaty.
I saw some fear mongering today that said Dec 2 or 3 Canada will get a nationwide emergency alert notifying that the country is locked down and nobody can leave their home for any reason (groceries and Dr included) and that 911 won't respond to calls and all in an effort to control the virus.
I thought that was fucking retarded considering how few soldeirs we actually have, even if you add in police we got millions of farmers with guns and urban bros with guns. Soldiers wouldn't stand at a roadblock knowing that fellow soldiers are keeping their own parents from getting to the Dr or grocery store. No fucking way even in my cucked ass country.
Nor would the police stand by and enforce martial law because people in the west are too self interested in that and it'd collapse the idea of a real police state. The moment the gov't comes after the policemans family the police would stop being agents of the state.
Fuck I hope civil war doesn't come to my country too pedes.
Fuck that fairy faggot leprechaun-prancing fuck, he needs to die then. We should just take over all of Canada and make it ours. That'll even grant us a greater geopolitical advantage in regards to the arctic circle too, and I'm sure many Canadians would be happy about that as well, considering many don't like that blackfaced soyboi.
Would be my guess, too. Trump has been honest from the start that strengthening our defense was important to him. There are only a few countries on that list with the satellite capability to know what we are doing above and below ground. We have always been the strongest, because we took our defense seriously and everyone knew it.
My husband is saying this isn't planes flying over but satellite photography. We're backing out because of Russia's arms treaty violations - choosing when to allow us to view and when to ban it. But it may be a good excuse to pull us out of a bad deal in general.
Signed in '92. Spy satellites already existed and the technology was advancing rapidly so why would George CIA Bush agree to a treaty that only helped our adversaries? (Rhetorical question.)
This makes the most sense to me, given that the administration did all the planning to get approval to submit their formal 6 month notification knowing that the 6 month window would be over ON THE DAY JFK WAS ASSASSINATED BY THE CIA 57 years ago.
If this isn't another signal to the CIA to STFU, then I dunno what it is.
Guess that explains why all those U2 spyplanes were flying around over the west coast a couple days ago. They were probabaly getting them ready to come out and play again.
Leave it to Bush to invite foreign intelligence to spy on our homeland. Bushs are the scum of the earth. Thank God for Trump getting us out of these unamerican agreements.
Another proof point for Trump. He's done so much for this country and even the most MAGA people don't know the half of it because 1. The amount of accomplishments are overwhelming and 2. the fake news. I'M STILL NOT TIRED OF WINNING.
The movie, "Aloha," was widely panned but I was genuinely surprised at Hollywood recognizing the looming threats of militarized satellites. That sub plot was more interesting to me than the romance part.
We have the most advanced military technology in the world, flying an unarmed airplane of another country is like riding horseback into battle. We don’t need it.
Who needs this when Google does the spying for free. I live in an area that Google has not updated for years. When I lived on a military base Google was constantly updating the satellite pictures.
What people don't realize is that our enemies aren't just taking pictures out of the window anymore when they use this treaty to spy on us, they are using HIGHLY sophisticated imaging equipment, even targeted (and harmful) xray equipment, to not only see things, but to also see inside and through things (why do you think Russia constantly buzzes our ships at sea and planes in the air...it's not just an intimidation tactic, they're getting close enough to use their scanning devices).
This allows them to effectively get schematics of our military hardware, see inside buildings, underground, etc. These things have limited ranges though. Iran does the same thing in the Persian Gulf. China does it in the S. China sea. Russia does it. They use them on our carriers and other ships, and this treaty effectively allowed them to do it on our own soil and get close enough to do it. So they're not just taking a peek anymore, they're using it to get all the goods while also exposing our ships/bases to radiation to do it.
Satellites have a predictable path and time that your over the target area. Makes so you can move things around and hide if you know its coming, or blind it with a laser, or so I've read.
Sounds like shitty treaty to be in
War is around the corner. Youre damn right.
People keep banging on about "Civil War 2" not realizing that's effectively where we're at right now.
If things devolve to the point of bullets flying, you can bet your top dollar the entire world will be drawn into the conflict.
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Her name was JESSICA DOTY WHITAKER
woah, thanks. not sure how that copy pasta error happened
We need a sticky thread for these names. FYI, Trump supporters murdered in political assassinations.
HER NAME WAS MONICA PETERSON
Chester Bennington!
Chris Cornell!
They found out about the Clinton Foundation and they were silenced forever.
RIP.
I think it's more likely we unite against China than have a civil war.
I don't. The only way this can happen is if Biden stays out of office. If he gets in I'd bet my left testicle (that's the better of the two) that he sells out US interests to PRC.
Then it will be MAGA and military peeps against the commies.
Biden is not getting in.
There will be an "in your face military takeover" before that happens.
All the election lawsuits and Supreme Court are in hopes to prevent that.
Prepare for the SC being compromised.
WOLVERINES!!!
why would biden get in office? are u one of those election fraud deniers?
The purpose of the civil war is to remove the CCP’s allies among us before taking down the CCP. It will be a very short war. We simply take down the great firewall of china and release the evidence that COVID-19 is a bioweapon. The Chinese people will take care of the CCP for us.
True, at least initially, but not in longer term as the Deep State & Demonrat traitors working for globalists/leftist Jews are fundamentally at odds with Commie China for its rejection of their New Word Order (Kalergi Plan) via open borders. They are rivals, not allies, in their ultimate goal of world domination. Commie China already set 2050 as its timeline for overtaking US in military dominance. In fact, it was the leftist Jews in US that initiated US official sanctions against Commie China for its putting Muslim savages, their allies, into concentration camps, and Commie China knew that. The best they could become are "frenemies", as back-stabbing, traitorous moneychanger Henry Kissinger smells blood and goes for the kill as the snake is selling America to Commie China, just as he sold South Vietnam to Commie China 50 years earlier. Indeed, though having the most concentrated wealth, leftist Jews are fewest in number. That's why they constantly have to usurp power for themselves and their puppets to be in the position of political power to order, pay, manage others to be their foot soldiers in their dirty wars and destroy their rivals on their behalf. Muslim savages are their favorite pawns in carrying out population replacement and uprooting Christianity in the West, but they also try to spill American Christian blood in endless Middle East wars, especially under jihadi Barry Soetoro's reign of terror (Trump didn't take their bait in Syrian war, fortunately).
Muslim savage bitches Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, Tariq Nasheed, etc. are already fiercely anti-Biden for ignoring Muslim savages in favor of his 2nd master Commie China, because they know they might loose their twitter accounts or even end up in house arrest if Cheater Joe becomes POTUS.
That would save the deep state. Look how the war in the ME empowered them.
Yea using our troops to protect the CIA's poppy fields in Afghanistan to keep the opioid shit going and padding their pockets for other black op off the books shit.
Really? These commie leftists want china to control them
They don't understand what's going on. They're still in denial.
The msm gleefully announced which countries and leaders called “president elect” Joe Biden to offer support. Not sure if there was something deeper there. Or perhaps the msm isn’t that clever and there was nothing more to those announcements other than just another reason to write more about their man, joe.
The part the media omitted was that Joe called them to put them on the spot for a congratulatory statement. Some took the bait, others didn’t.
Did he really?? Got sauce on that?
Sound a lot like a great reset, doesn’t it?
No, not really.
The great reset is everyone being cold, hungry, poor, and giving everything to the state in exchange for UBI, plus taking the vaccine.
War has a way of causing that sort of thing.
I get what you’re saying but look at who is involved with the attempted coup of the President. You can’t have a reset without lockdowns. There are way to many players involved in this. A lot of money and power will strike hard one last time. To think these people and world leaders are going to say yes to their assets being seized is wishful thinking
Except it's the people vs the deep state and not the people vs the people.
Other side of the wall with you
Deport!
We are under attack
Are you really making money fron this?
So you're just an asshole then?
Oh really? DO go on!. (Chin resting between hands.)
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WWXi started the day the CCP conducted biological warfare on the entire world.
Officially started. They’ve been at war with us. Imagine this, what if someone wrote: Destroyed industries, chemical and biological warfare, double agents, sabotage, using propaganda on another’s country. Does it sound like WWII or is that what’s going on now?
Trump winning is just the beginning of the global clean up. This is still. 10 yeaR project
I still truly believe that Trump is the only solution to peace at this point.
Biden (Harris) CAN NOT be allowed to take office using ANY means necessary, otherwise WWIII will absolutely be inevitable.
I REALLY hope the military has Trump's back because their services may need to be called upon to keep exactly that from happening.
Nope...this one has been in the works for a while.
Much farther back than people want to know. Even befor Prescott Bush's attempted coup.
I have the feeling we're in WW3 already. At the moment it is mainly economic and psychological warfare.
You are 100% correct.
Civil war 2.0 meet Revolution 2.0 meet WorldWar 3.0 meet Cold War 2.0
FTFY.
When we win all three, there will be peace, built on the backs of many good commies.
Good commies?! The only good commie is a - oh.
The very best commies (believe me)
I want a house made out of their skulls!
Normally I would be all for this, but I don’t want the lefties that close to me. Even dead. They don’t deserve to be that close to happiness
It'll be hard to find that many still intact. 5.56mm makes a mess of em.
because we need lots of bicycle racks as well
Prison food
Find a way to make fuel with it or stop growing it I hope.
BINGO! and Bingo was his name Ooo
Sun Tzu: 1) “The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.”, and 2). “Supreme excellence consists of breaking the enemy’s resistance without fighting.”
Our President has already defeated the enemy. They have not yet realized that checkmate happened many, many moves ago.
Same points used for Covid. “Please agree to unconditional surrender with zero resistance before the fighting begins.” So far, we’ve mostly said yes. People are finally figuring out that perhaps they should be saying no.
At this point I find it very profitable to consider the Melian Dialogues as well.
PS. Machiavelli wasn't an evil asshole; he was a very heartbroken, disillusioned idealist...people should really read more than just "The Prince" so as to provide proper context for that far more subtle and sophisticated work than what is often given
Thucydides is fascinating. Damn that was a fun read. Except for Syracuse and all that.
Checks notes, yup, he signed that EO 2 years ago about foreign interference but that shit never got covered.
Meet MEME WAR 2.0
"The Great Conflict"
This is the correct answer. Until president Trump was elected we weren't even defending ourselves. ChyNa was winning a war America didn't know she was fighting. Our middle class our children were the first casualties.
GETOUS isn't just fighting he is winning! To quote my favorite humans Chesty Puller
“We’re surrounded. That simplifies the problem.”
“They are in front of us, behind us, and we are flanked on both sides by an enemy that outnumbers us 29:1. They can’t get away now.”
I’ve been studying Chinese military history lately and basically we know that this is exactly how China has always fought its wars. This is 100% a hot war by chinas standards.
There are a lot of things in this place that fill me with joy, there's a brilliance here that's hard to quantify with words. Then there's this!!! No one studies history anymore, obviously not no one because you do. But it's not a common pursuit. The present is changing so fast too many people think history is irrelevant. It isn't it's the key to everything.
The leftists have been calling us Nazis for the last four and a half years! If you look at what they do from having Antifa and BLM function as brown shirts. They want to absolutely silence political descent in America. This election looks a whole lot more like 1930s Germany than 21st century America.
Well done pede.
I’m a history teacher and a big part of the problem is that history is not taught thoroughly anymore. Everything is taught through a social justice lens. It’s all about the struggle of certain groups and the overcoming obstacles. It’s important to teach those things, but it only gives you a small portion of the whole story.
I’ve found that I have learned way more about history by studying wars and military history than I ever did when getting my history degree. That stuff is so much more important, but we just ignore it because it is not fashionable in the current SJW culture.
If I could put a 10X on your up vote I would.
FDR was a good president, he did some pretty questionable things to draw America into World War II. In my opinion if he hadn't done them the Nazis might have won and the world would be a horrible place. That doesn't make all the things he did right but maybe it made them necessary. That's a small slice of a pivotal piece of History that isn't taught in school.
Field Marshall Montgomery was not a great general he had an ego problem and he was a little bit of a peacock. He won battles because of superior intelligence not because of tactics or brilliance. He wasn't a bad commander and the British empire desperately needed a hero. So the choices that were made were probably the right ones. That's never been taught anywhere and no one really knew the full magnitude of that until the Blenchly Park stuff was declassified.
The greatest hero of World War II was a borderline autistic mathematician that happened to be gay and was persecuted for that. The only reason anybody knows his name is because of Science Fiction and a Hollywood movie.
Alan Turing
Schools need to teach real unapologetic history, and also teach propaganda. Too many people think that propaganda was a thing that the Nazi's and North Korea did, and that it would never happen here.
The neocons/neolibs have been trying their damndest to Weimar our republic. They simply haven't had someone charismatic enough to bring together their willing factions. They have no Hitler.
The intellectual gifts just keep on coming!
Thank you pede.
The try with Barry Obama netted the most corrupt administration in US history. Neocons gave us ¡Jeb (please clap) and Mittens please deport.
My young friends voting for the first time asked their old crazy uncle why everyone hated Trump so much. The simple answer was because he was telling the truth. All of the leftist kids screaming about speaking truth to power.... what a laugh. When it actually happened they completely missed it!!
That or their worthless conscript army is gettings its pansy ass whipped by Vietnam like it's 1979 all over again.
Culture War. It's heating up slowly.
Brought to you by the Chinese. They can’t win in a military conflict so they must try to bring you down and weaken you from within.
They bribe, extort and ideologically push their culture within Hollywood, big tech and the media. They know the west weakness is greed and degeneracy (Hunter Biden)
They want a civil war, which is exactly what happens if the culture war goes to shit. If not they would at least weaken you with communism.
Started by the bolsheviks over a hundred years ago and then perpetuated by the soviets for decades before the fall. The chinese have done nothing but push along something that was already moving forward and would have caused issues no matter what. They're just making it worse than it would have been.
While I've been anti-CCP longer than most of you have been alive, I disagree that the main malevolent actor here is Communist China.
The West's main enemy is internal and has been for decades. The deep state, globalists, whatever you want to call them. Those who detest patriotism and see the American republic only as a tool to accomplish their ends.
It’s already heated up. You are the lobster in a boiling pot who doesn’t know it’s boiling.
well, get ready for an army of lobster to jump out the pot and start snapping commies....snap snap MF!!!
WCW vs NWO
IS THIS THE RETURN OF HOLLYWOOD HOGAN?
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Common cold = Corona Virus
Corona Virus = Common Cold
I wanted peace to be the prize, like Trump
Maybe he will find a way to avoid war
If anyone can I bet he can
There's already bullets.
HIS NAME WAS BERNELL TRAMMELL
HER NAME WAS JESSICA DOTY WHITAKER
HIS NAME WAS AARON DANIELSON
HIS NAME WAS LEE KELTNER
And finally, after so many of us suffered and died, KYLE RITTENHOUSE SHOT BACK!
spez: name correction; thank you Anaconda
Plus others they tried to kill, but failed.
Cannon Hinnant
Corrupting law enforcement, mayors, and judges..: these are acts of war
Others were talking about WW3, that's something to avoid is all
I told my wife something similar last night. I give it a 90% chance that no matter what happens we end up in a shooting war. But if anybody can thread that needle to avoid it, it’s Trump.
this is the last stand against global communism, it's here. Right now.
💯
This is only true if we don‘t crush it during this time, there are many ways to kill this snake. Let us hope for the least bloodiest outcome
Should be interesting to see what all new secret weapons are waiting in the wings
"well shoot you out of the sky. BTFO"
idk about msm but the shills are already on it
Top comment so far on /r/politics for those who don't want to click-
Not allowing other countries to spy on us = destabilization = fools use words they don't even know the definition of because it makes their bullshit sound convincing to fellow fools = Orange Man Bad
They are communists that view the west as a socialist state, so Trump is in fact "destabilizing" socialism. MAGA is a dangerous uprising that is revolting against the oligarchy. They aren't wrong.
edit: And maybe Trump IS working with Putin to resist communism. This may also be true.
Putin’s puppet confirmed?? Kek
Probably know it all children who are trying hard to stay on the 'right side of history'
Lol how does this help Putin? I'm sure we can still see whatever we want with satellites and they won't be able to see our shit as easily.
Putin knows that after China is done with us, they are next. They must help us as carefully as they can to prevent China from targeting Russia before USA has rejected China fully
Well, /r/politics is mostly low T retards with an age that matches their IQ.
Of course. What’s crazy making is all their squawking makes Putin more powerful in Russia because he gets so much press and must be tough to scare the Americans. His political rivals are frustrated with our media too.
A look at the history of that treaty is very enlightening -- when it was proposed; when it finally got ratified; and who are the member states involved (and who isn't).
About the treaty? It was initially proposed by Eisenhower to the Russians (who said "nyet!"). It was later ratified in 2002, and only includes Europe, Russia, and N. America (except for Mexico/Central America).
I have my own opinions about all of this, of course -- and they may be either very correct or very wrong. Nevertheless, signals are important...I'll leave it at that.
Do you have any books/article recommendations on the history of America/Russia relations? Looking for uncucked versions. Asking you cause your point about Yeltsin was pretty interesting
That makes sense. Thanks for your history pede. I am burning with curiosity to know more about all this but I know that if I ever search around or ask people I know, I’ll get some globalist revisionist history garbage.
The USSR was dismantled before this occurred. The individual countries were all bankrupt, in disarray, and unkempt. Why would be need this treaty literally weeks after the USSR broke up?
This can be said for almost everything our “leaders” sign us up for...
"Mutual assured something something fuck Americans up the asshole because that's what we're really doing..."
They can't see us anyways
Barron is obviously Augustus look at this shit
impressive
bigly
I’ve thought of Trump a more of a Sulla character. If he truly succeeds in draining the swamp and restore the republic it delays the civil war for 30 or 40 years. But in the act may lay the key for a future Caesar to take power.
The only way Trump is a Caesar is if he has been conspiring with big tech, and the deep state, behind the scenes, this whole time, which I don’t really see.
Analogies with ancient Rome are trite anyways, as the fall of the ancient republic served as an object lesson that our founding fathers consciously sought to avoid, and therefore constructed the constitution accordingly. We’ll see
Pax Romana killed Rome.
Dibs on being octavian. Unless thats Barron
shh....that part of the story is still a few decades out. : )
Instead of lead doing us in, bisphenol A and soy have estrogen poisoned the entire globe, creating seas of cucks for Dems to ride without saddle into battle.
Italian government is cucked too. After we save America let's go save Italy.
I've had enough im ready 6 months ago
This election needs to be proven that it was a legit election. Have zero doubts. If not, this country no longer exists.
I never truly appreciated what "its over for our country" means till I found this and started reading it last night:
https://metallicman.com/laoban4site/what-the-progressive-liberals-have-in-store-for-conservatives/
I hope we can stop it. Pray and train!
Yes. Them using dominion and fake ballots is crossing the rubicon.
Not much of a choice at this point. Either deep state backs down and allows Trump to be re-elected as the voters want, or we are going to have a civil war unfortunately.
It’ll be swift and quick, without the cia and fbi the elites have no more control
I think Trump loyalists would be quick to take them out. More of us than them. And we won't obey
I am really glad o hear this. I pray you are correct.
That's some kingslayer shit right there. They say ready to die...fir some people who signed the 📜 of independence...just imagine what the redcoats did to those patriots... lost everything
While that is wishful thinking....I remain skeptical. The military and intelligence agencies are compartmentalized which means whoever is calling the shots/putting the pieces in play....they are able to remain unseen and unaccountable in a sea of "classified" bureaucracy. A bureaucracy which is full of unwitting helpers who are just doing tasks set before them. This is the industrial complex that Eisenhower warned about.
Don't obey.
from https://metallicman.com/laoban4site/what-the-progressive-liberals-have-in-store-for-conservatives/
I think we know who they are already
Watching
Leftists are all about subversion. They don’t have any hard power like conservatives.
Leftists develop hard power after they have successfully subverted a culture or nation. Don't make the mistake that it isn't something they can manifest, because they will if left unchecked in the phase we're currently in.
China
Walk me through what China could do short of a ballistic missile with a nuke or emp?
Land invasion? Lol nope. It’ll be worse than Normandy. They won’t even make it to the beach.
Provide material support? I don’t see it. Too many Patriots with many many guns will rally to, and fight for, Trump
Good point. They would infiltrate, not invade -- and they would likely do so with proxies. This is what Iran has done in the ME.
They‘re already here, look at some of the refugee groups we let into the country.
As a resident of CA, there’s a lot of cucks here who’d be all too happy to give China a foothold for cash and a guarantee of safety, not understanding that they’ll be disposed of once they outlive their usefulness. Though, I doubt they’d be able to get through our insane naval power.
That’s just it. Our Navy is so powerful. Like orders of magnitude more powerful than any other navy on earth. And who knows what tech we have that we civilians don’t even know about.
Zero chance for any land invasion.
Maybe “invasion-by-proxy” using people already here, but how there be enough of them to mount any kind of offensive without immediately being put down by the swarm of patriots around them?
First they’ll try to disarm us with the Communist Blue City/State Cops and legislation (ban online sales of guns and ammo, then ban body armor). They’ll need the populace disarmed and clubbed into compliance. We’ll need to weed out the “muh orders” Gestapo, and then prepare to deal with any corrupt and cucked military generals. And while we seem to generally have faith that vets and military rank and file will back Patriots, everyone needs to prepare to fight some sort of turncoat military force if it comes to war. I’m a lowly HR assistant living in a Blue State and I’ve been convinced to spend a significant chunk of cash on equipment that a militiaman should have (I’m waiting for a plate carrier and saving money for high quality plates). We need sleeper agents in every blue state ready to go. Can’t count on anything going to 100% to plan.
This. We own the seas. Nobody can field a force against our carrier fleets and subs. We can force project whole airwings from the sea - and China has a large coastline. We also have Japan as a staging point, and Hawaii.
The only thing China has is warm bodies - and they're not terribly effective when they're standing on the other side of the Pacific.
No, China could use a breakdown in the US to attack and capture targets in its sphere such as India, Japan and of course, Taiwan. Russia might likewise do so on a smaller scale to their West.
Good points
Nukes. You think Beijing Biden would nuke back?
You need to think differently. The support has all been put in place for them to use. The critical node is the people. Stop them before they start. Head of the snake and work your way down.
Its pronounced GY-na
It would have to be intense and fast if we're talking kinetic.
If its not the above then all the US+Allies has to do is setup a navy blockade. They are a net importer of food.
Yeah, that's right. The most populace country on earth can't feed itself and has insufficient oil. They'd be fucked if they can't get the job done fast.
I giggle when people say what if Biden does end up being president.
You're not ready for what would happen. Go back to your bubble
I think you're right -- he will not (at least it is not at all likely -- never say never, after all). Whether it goes all the way to the nuclear option is still in question. (and no, I don't mean nukes; it's a figure of speech).
We’re already in a cold civil war. It’s similar to the Israel-Palastein conflict. There are shots fired, but no formal declaration.
While you may be right about it resolving the unresolvable, and sometimes necessary, if you just see it as “uncomfortable “, then you are likely a sociopath or psycopath, commie shill, or a wannabe LARP.
It may be necessary and unavoidable, but is a lot more than just “uncomfortable “.
Correct. Quite literally, “War is Hell.”
Ima be that one guy whose excited to be there that you find either really depressed later on, or full OG level 99 like Lt.Col. Speirs
Split that in half, add a dash of pissed off, a dash of fun, some Copenhagen, and half eaten pile of cookies, and you'll be just about right.
I gave you four choices.
Funny to see which one offended you.
"sociopath or psycopath, commie shill, or a wannabe LARP."
How about warriors willing to lay down their lives to preserve the republic for their children's children? Where would they fit in?
It goes both ways you see.. i think we can all agree that it is experienced uniquely on an individual basis. And you can hardly categorize all of those unique experiences into those 4 archetypes.
I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but I think the point trying to be made is: you may need to reconcile yourself (should such a fight happen) to the possibility you may not have any children or children's children left at the end of it.
Civil wars are rather nasty, and there is never any guarantee of survival (for yourself, for the ones you love). That is why they are only to be as a last resort, when all else fails (people tend to always remember the part in our Declaration that starts with: "...that whenever any form of government...", and always forget the part that follows: "Prudence, indeed, will dictate....").
Avoiding war if possible in the pursuit of goals is always the best option, but if it comes to that, then do it after prudent avoidance and with the resolve that all other attempts have failed...and with the clear vision that it's not going to be a walk in the park on a summer's day.
Ahh go fuck yourself.
But on a serious note, I might not should have insulted you in the first place.
I did not need it to make my point.
Me too but I will tell you Ive spent many years in countries at war. It is very disruptive and for many way more than just uncomfortable. There will be lots of death and disease however, if our side does it correct, only liberal cities will be battlegrounds. Then the insurgency of leftist will begin and we will have to hunt them down one at a time or in small cells. These peoples masters built isis. They are acrually very good at as long S there is little push back like the riots of late. We will crush them and many decent t people will suffer and die too. Statistically 1 person from every 3 families die in a shooting civil war. 5 percent. About 16 million people. That's a war to respect and a bit more than u comfortable.
Fuck yeah. Let’s resurrect the Viking mentality - some things need to die for others to live. What if I want to talk of peace and understanding, but you only understand the language of the sword?
You missed my point. I was agreeing with you.... LOL
You've clearly never seen a day of combat in your life, and that's not a bad thing. You would do well to try everything in your power to keep it that way, because every single day is a day where you will quite possibly not make it home to go to bed and wake up the next morning.
People are rightly apprehensive given history's examples of civil war, including our own. They can be devastating, and worse, weaken us at a time that enemies abroad will act to expand and consolidate their own power. The latter may be the biggest risk by far.
No, not at all. I'm completely on the "fight" train because the alternative is a dystopia humanity may never escape.
Violence and war against our own countrymen should be an absolute last resort. We should try everything else before even going to that option.
Most people don't want to kill people. Especially their brothers. The civil war devastated us as a people. Especially to our morale. It creates animosity too. One side is seen is as the subjugator.
War messes people up. Permanently. This isn't Call of Duty. You don't get to respawn and targets don't vanish once the poly count has been reached. The last thing anyone would want is to harm others. Only when pushed to the brink should that option even be considered. I don't want to see my friends and family have half their face shot off and screaming in agony, or burned by a car bomb, or ambushed from a high rise to rack up body counts. I don't want to hear them scream in pain or drown in their own blood. I don't want to see their limbs destroyed or blown off. I don't want to smell singed hair and melted flesh. I don't want to see the blank stares in peoples eyes that can't recall the horror's of what they've seen and done.
Atrocities are performed on both sides. If there was a civil war, imagine the rampant rape, theft, murder, and brutality that would occur.
War is hell but a necessary way to secure freedom and Liberty.
That is the only major downside of civil war. If its not dealt with quickly then we risk being swept up by another country. That is why I think if this does happen, its going to end fast. 0-100 real quick. Preferably avoid engagements altogether and night of the long knives this shit.
It’s unfortunate because I’ll fight in it and I love my family and I would prefer to see my kids grow up than be dead.
I have more to lose than anyone. A very successful business that I’ve slaved over building that is now very lucrative to me, and a wonderful family.
Tell me where to be and what guns to bring, and I’m more than willing to fight and die for the Republic.
If someone like me feels that way, I imagine there are a lot more.
Just depends on if Trump stands ground and doesn’t concede; the citizen militia that organizes to defend him at that point will be mind blowing.
100%
I think it’s more fitting that he’ll be known as Delaware Don.
I pray we start black bagging our enemies on Christmas morn.
In honor of Geo Washington and his troops.
Yes Yes.
Not needed with modern satellite imaging tech
This. The capabilities we have up there are unreal
I saw top level civilian stuff back in early 2000s that blew my mind then..
There was some pretty cool stuff earlier as well.
I was doing GIS post processing before GPS selective ability was lifted..
Cool! I have two kids who are 35 G (I think that's the handle) and 1 35 Y.
It’s gotten a lot lot better since then ;)
I can only imagine.. My digital camera was only 1.3MP then.. We have phones with 20+ as a side gimmick now
They can read you phone screen from space
They can see a pubic hair on a soda can.
from the exosphere they can see hillary’s diarrhea-covered shoe in the street.
Justice Clarence Thomas has entered the chat
Youngpedes - go watch Biden in the Thomas confirmation hearings. Stupid and smarmy.
Pubes on Coke cans indeed. What was that lying bitch's name?
Anita Cumstain
Anita Hill just accused you of sexual harassment.
They can see me place a pubic hair on your soda can
Bill Clinton enters the conversation.
It’s possible they could call it a recon flight but be doing some type of electronic surveillance or interference.
Yeah, the movie, "The Social Network" really glosses over the relationship then-Harvard president Larry Summers had with Facebook, instead portraying him as some dean that just waved off the Winklevoss twins when they objected.
If that were the case there'd be no such thing as strategic reconnaissance aircraft like U2 or GlobalHawk.
As good as the satellite cameras are, they're still relatively far from what they're photographing. Take a similar camera and put it relatively close to the target (i.e. at U2 or GlobalHawk altitude), and you're obviously going to get a better picture. .
I know at least 2 decades ago they could at least be able to read something the size of a license plate from those satellites
The issue is they have a window where they are useful over certain areas
That’s why U2s are useful, they can be sent to a particular place in a moment’s notice
And stay for a really long time.
And any military mobilization would immediately be on the news. The government can't silence the media to the same extent that it did during the Cold War, and even if it could, it can't effectively censor the internet.
Not for Trump. If Trump told them to hide troop mobilization, the media would make it the entire news cycle.
Uhh. If shit hits the fan, the media won't exist like it does today.
Sure, but then our enemies would know something’s up anyways.
They could quote “Turn it off” without much difficulty.
Shut down the systems of Major ISPs and you leave the majority of the country blind and deaf.
They could take inventory of all of our aircraft, bases and be able to guess a lot about the size of our military and what our capabilities would look like. But yes anything secret they wouldnt be able to see. We also have boneyards like in Tucson of our B-52 bombers that have had the wings cut off and laid out next to the airplanes so the Soviet’s could see we were disarming and reducing our ability to fly from the US bomb Russia and fly back. With this treaty gone we could put those planes back into service and not need to keep them on display anymore
What are you going on about Russia for? At this point, I'd welcome to fight side by side with Russia against the Commie Libtards of the Deep State.
Because that was the country it was originally proposed with? Russia was the country to propose the Treaty. I wouldn’t be so quick to think the Russians would be on the side of the capitalists.
This war we are going into isn’t country v country. It’s the governments of the world trying to usurp all power. It’s the people v the state. I’m sure the Russian people would back us but not the government. This is the central banking system, the deep state, the globalists, all working to take control of the entire world. We are the last bastion of freedom in the world. We are the front line and the final battle for the globalists and central banking system to take total control.
It’s really that simple.
No. No foreign involvement. This is a purely internal matter, and we’ll handle it ourselves, the way we always have - with our good friends Smith and Wesson at our side.
Part of it was exactly for that yes.
I am a professional pilot and have flown over the Tucson boneyard many times. A lot of our Cold War era aircraft were cut up and put on display so the Russians could see they are not capable of flying when we ended the Cold War in 1992. I am pretty sure that they could be reassembled flown. Rumor has it all the SR-71s are still airworthy and can be deployed in short notice if we lost our satellite system.
For example, in Utah at Hill AFB they have an incredible museum of retired aircraft. They have an SR-71 on display and it looks like they could push the engine back into the nacelle do an inspection throw some fresh batteries into it, gas it up and fly.
The SR-71s I've seen on display are altered from what I saw in the hanger. It may be superficial,. but the "skin" isn't the same to the touch anymore (it was like mid-grit sandpaper), and some areas that were "rubberized" like the leading edges are hard now. I'm not sure how far they took the preservation process.
Interesting well i guess that squashed that rumor. I’m sure though they could still get them airworthy rather quickly if motivated enough. Analog aircraft are rare these days and the reliance on digital tech is becoming so insane if there was an EMP most (95% or more) commercial airliners would be dead. I fly a Learjet and I’m pretty sure I could still fly in the event of an EMP I only have a couple digital systems on board. I wouldn’t be IFR capable unless the VORs and ILSs were still operational
Question - the leading edges were rubberized? I wonder how they survived the extreme temperatures the surface would endure in high speed flight. I thought the skin got over 1000 degrees in sustained super sonic flight
It was one of the oldest tricks in the playbook, yes.
Given the state of current technology I'm amazed this is used for anything other than flying a jet over another nation for the hell of it. Satellites have completely replaced this.
You get better ELINT in-atmosphere
but that SR-71...would love it if they came back into service.
Gorgeous
Exactly. This is really not a big deal.
It's not. For the US.
Not everybody has our satellite capabilities.
Exactly. So this treaty was a dumb one for us. All downside no upside.
Good for POTUS
Good thing we do.
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It's about time, we were terribly taken advantage of. Like all treaties.
Like many other "treaties" we have signed onto.
The ones crafting these treaties are sellout traitors.
Good God..
yea and while she was a journalist she was on video interviewing..... can you guess who? heres a hint, ball sack eyes
Great Reset 'bout to turn into the Great Reeeeeeeset.
I read a few years ago that she was going to be Soros' official biographer until she became defecto ruler of Canada
That video is insanity! I don't see how anyone can watch that and not see she's hiding shit.
When I was in Canada October last year I went from Montreal to Michigan on the 401 and 402. Every single place I stopped there was as many south Asian MAMs as there were native Canadians in general. I just thought they were a cucked out nation as we'd assume. I told my buddy that is an ex green beret and his first comment was "are the mobilizing MAMs" .
Not sure if that's a plan of theirs but if so they're in for a world of hurt. As soon as they cross the border its all red counties and wilderness. The last time the British sent canadian troops into New York they got harassed and decimated before they could reach Albany.
What's a MAM?
Military aged man
Thank you!
"Finance" minister.
She has literally no education whatsoever in economics. Shit is about to get hilarious.
I saw some list where Canada claimed to be the most “free” nation in the world and I couldn’t stop laughing. Sad part is. It’s something people believe.
ELI5?
We don’t want other nations (pretty much northern hemisphere) seeing what our military is doing because we no longer trust our “allies”
When Jesus said sell your cloak and buy a sword he wasn't fooling
Sauce?
The New Testament
He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’ ; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.” The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.” “That’s enough!” he replied. Luke 22:36-38 NIV
https://bible.com/bible/111/luk.22.36-38.NIV
Was watching "Fury" the other day and Isaiah 6:8 has a lot of meaning for us at a time like this.
Luke 22:36
Luke 22:36
Luke 22: 35-38.
Would be a shame if those satellites went dark at an opportune time and the airspace was off limits.
Insurgency will always require boots on the ground. And guns will always be an extremely strong resistance to boots on the ground.
Frankly restarting the Civil Defense Program is probably advisable at this point. The General population won’t likely be able to afford building bunkers.
But learning how to build basic fallout shelters in their basements is more feasible.
Civil defense program?
During the Cold War. A Civil Defense group existed in one form or another. It’s main purpose was to organize and direct Local, State, and Federal preparedness for an attack on the U.S. Be it conventional, biological, chemical, Nuclear etc.
It also handled emergency communications and warning systems; post-attack assistance and damage assessment; preparedness planning; and government continuity.
The logo may seem familiar. A Blue Circle with a White Triangle in the middle with a Red CD in the triangle.
The Agency was dissolved in the late 70s and it’s duties handed to FEMA.
The thing about this specific move is it was initiated 6 months ago in May. So unless they gamed it out and knew this is where we would be currently, then this is not really related to the election or anything Lin Wood is saying right now. Not discounting Wood, but just trying to keep it all straight. Could still be an important coincidence regardless.
The executive order safeguarding the elections was from 2018.
Meanwhile, here's what the media was focused on the day we announced we'd be withdrawing from that treaty-
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1263970567838932993
Trust Sessions?
Yep
I sure as hell picked the wrong time to buy my Dad’s company from the bank. But there really wasn’t a good choice otherwise. Doesn’t help that I bought a project car instead of a project firearm in April.
What’s your weather prediction for how much shitstorm PA gets?
I bet they have Democrats on recorded conversations colluding with them.
Canada is huge threat to our national security, it needs to be annexed. Most of them have a deep seated hatred for our 1st and 2nd Amendment.
Nah. That's just Toronto and the Eastern Provinces. Go west of Ontario there will be no difference with the Republican states. Central Provinces and Western Provinces not named British Columbia are conservative. In fact, Alberta wants to separate from Canada and join US
We all know about the cowboy/lumberjack/oilfield Canadians.
They will be our favorite new Americans, when annexation takes place.
Yesterday would not be too soon.
Oh God, I hope so, I will move to Alberta just to get into the US (currently in Ontario, ugh).
I feel the pain. Toronto is a shit hole.
Annexing Canada? LOL. Okay. You're playing RISK, not talking about reality.
I wouldn't disagree for a stronger border, but we're still not going to annex you.
Annexation is generally not negotiated.
Recall, Germany annexed Poland at the start of WWII. This is not "on the table', it was just another pede playing RISK, not talking about reality. This really doesn't deserve this much attention.
Deported. Canada = Commie.
We have no allies. It was all a ruse.
The countries that refused to acknowledge Biden as the winner are a good start though.
Don't trust them militarily?
Simply put- US will no longer allow other nations to fly over any part of sovereign soil for any type of data gathering for the sake of that nation's own "national security".
Am I stupid to believe we allowed this before?
It was sensible as a trust exercise
So you can see your enemies building up troops on the border etc, and they can see you
Therefore there’s less suspicion that someone will sneak attack you, so nobody will want to act first
Trumps gearing up to drop the insurrection act. Apparently this let Canada and other places do fly overs of our military installations.
Now they don’t get to.
Canada isn't our friend. Neither is the UK, AU, or NZ.
Friendly leaf checking in.
To be fair, i think we’re kinder to americans than you are to yourselves; but, yes, agreed.
Sounds like we don't trust Europe and Russia anymore
Why should we ever have?
Many of our problems will melt away if we leave other countries to their own devices and rely on ourselves.
The events of the last few days, weeks, months, years has rather proven the sense in that.
The US is withdrawing from a treaty allowing surveillance overflights:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_Open_Skies
Because, Russia has been violating the treaty:
https://apnews.com/773c5e6b7fb92f5e6d0e4b8fddf1665e
Anyone caught complaining about this termination is a confirmed globalist shill
Foreign countries can't 'peacefully' inspect our military power from the air. We like it better when they have to FAFO...
I think its just a way of removing and enemy's piece from the table. Looks like before any ally could just fly over and see what's going on in the US. Now they can't. Cancellation means we just removed their eyes and degree of intel they can get easily from us.
Our enemies are deepstate / globalists - its foolish to believe they will willingly be taken out via the legal route. They too have their own ammo boxes and they've spent decades preparing.
When trump wins, not just the election, but cleans up deepstate. The globalists know they are fucked. Trump didn't give himself streamlined access to special operations for shits and giggles.
We won't allow the parties included in that treaty to fly over us and vice-versa, unarmed, for the sake of data farming/seeing what we are doing militarily/nuclear. The parties who signed the original agreement are Belarus, Belgium, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Georgia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Turkey, Ukraine, the United Kingdom, and the United States. Kyrgyzstan has signed, but not ratified the treaty.
Russia is the only significant one there
Or maybe Trump doesn’t trust our European/Canadian allies not to give info to the Chiness
The latter, unfortunately.
Canada has already promised to invade us if Trump doesn't leave office.
I’m pretty sure that was a joke article. If it is real I’d love a source though.
I saw some fear mongering today that said Dec 2 or 3 Canada will get a nationwide emergency alert notifying that the country is locked down and nobody can leave their home for any reason (groceries and Dr included) and that 911 won't respond to calls and all in an effort to control the virus.
I thought that was fucking retarded considering how few soldeirs we actually have, even if you add in police we got millions of farmers with guns and urban bros with guns. Soldiers wouldn't stand at a roadblock knowing that fellow soldiers are keeping their own parents from getting to the Dr or grocery store. No fucking way even in my cucked ass country.
Nor would the police stand by and enforce martial law because people in the west are too self interested in that and it'd collapse the idea of a real police state. The moment the gov't comes after the policemans family the police would stop being agents of the state.
Fuck I hope civil war doesn't come to my country too pedes.
Tf? Where?
Trudeau said he's use military action if Trump won't leave. He did this like 2 weeks ago.
Fuck that fairy faggot leprechaun-prancing fuck, he needs to die then. We should just take over all of Canada and make it ours. That'll even grant us a greater geopolitical advantage in regards to the arctic circle too, and I'm sure many Canadians would be happy about that as well, considering many don't like that blackfaced soyboi.
Would be my guess, too. Trump has been honest from the start that strengthening our defense was important to him. There are only a few countries on that list with the satellite capability to know what we are doing above and below ground. We have always been the strongest, because we took our defense seriously and everyone knew it.
My husband is saying this isn't planes flying over but satellite photography. We're backing out because of Russia's arms treaty violations - choosing when to allow us to view and when to ban it. But it may be a good excuse to pull us out of a bad deal in general.
Signed in '92. Spy satellites already existed and the technology was advancing rapidly so why would George CIA Bush agree to a treaty that only helped our adversaries? (Rhetorical question.)
It went both ways. It let us fly over their counties too. Idea was "trust but verify" that your adversaries weren't up to something
The reason for this is that the "5 eyes" loophole allowed US intelligence agencies to spy on US citizens via Canadian aircraft.
Exactly what I was thinking
Canadians need freedom from their Socialist government and we need their natural resources. Win-win.
This makes the most sense to me, given that the administration did all the planning to get approval to submit their formal 6 month notification knowing that the 6 month window would be over ON THE DAY JFK WAS ASSASSINATED BY THE CIA 57 years ago.
If this isn't another signal to the CIA to STFU, then I dunno what it is.
is china flying over and sprinkling corona virus out the window?
I would be shocked but not surprised at this point.
Considering that most of the other conspiracy theories came true, why not chemtrails?
There were rumors about corona being spread via satellites, so you might be onto something there...
Good! Mind your own damned business!
Sounds almost like having a vulnerable server where anyone can access it to steal information.
Of course, George HW Bush was involved in this treaty. Fuck the Bush family.
Interesting. Either someone else was violating it, or the US is prepping for a more war-like posture.
You were right the first time:
https://apnews.com/773c5e6b7fb92f5e6d0e4b8fddf1665e
Do you think Trump is just using Russia to play "bad cop" when the distrust really lies with European so-called allies?
Is this to keep California from spying on America?
Just do everything at night, California is under a curfew.
Trump should just remove us from every treaty.
Then we can look at each one, one by one, and decide if we should rejoin. All countries should do this
Guess that explains why all those U2 spyplanes were flying around over the west coast a couple days ago. They were probabaly getting them ready to come out and play again.
Realse the sky kraken.
This is because Trump knows that other nations can no longer be trusted. I don't think its an indication of war.
It's like you read my mind! Agree 100%
Excellent, and consistent with everything America First.
We still must bring our manufacturing home. It was off to a strong start before the CCP bio-attack.
Fighting the american citizenry would be the most savage insurgency the world has ever seen.
Leave it to Bush to invite foreign intelligence to spy on our homeland. Bushs are the scum of the earth. Thank God for Trump getting us out of these unamerican agreements.
Great move
This was a bullshit treaty anyway
Glad he took us out of it
Any recon flights flying over the USA will be shot on sight. No questions asked.
President Trump cutting the waste again!
So Germany has been controlling our elections, and now this....TRY IT MERKEL!!
Another proof point for Trump. He's done so much for this country and even the most MAGA people don't know the half of it because 1. The amount of accomplishments are overwhelming and 2. the fake news. I'M STILL NOT TIRED OF WINNING.
Space Force! And I'm only half joking. The real answer is satellites.
Skies are for amateurs. Think higher shithole countries!
The movie, "Aloha," was widely panned but I was genuinely surprised at Hollywood recognizing the looming threats of militarized satellites. That sub plot was more interesting to me than the romance part.
Will have to check it out. Best wishes pede!
Satellites can see what page of the news paper you're on while you're taking a shit. This is useless at this point.
It does eliminate an excuse for potentially hostile aircraft entering our airspace however.
It gives us more leeway to shoot down enemy spy planes
We have the most advanced military technology in the world, flying an unarmed airplane of another country is like riding horseback into battle. We don’t need it.
Moves behind the scene are being made. Something serious is about to go down.
My husband says this treaty is obselete anyway because of modern satellites.
So this, added with the SECDEF Special operations ruling......
Is this a big thing or just bs? Cause I have a gut feeling this is to add to the big thing.
Also satellites make U2/SR71 type recon missions obsolete now.
UnDeRmIninG tRuST iN ouR ALlIeS
Yeah, those allies tried to take out POTUS with their wretched deep states
I wonder why my first reaction was, "Now the UN has to ask permission."
The fuck? How was this even a thing? Why would we have ever allowed this?
You do know that Democrats have been selling us out to foreign governments for decades, right?
We are the golden calf for them to slaughter and butcher for the benefit of their globalist masters.
Spend any time in NYC or Boca Raton/Miami Beach, Florida, Beverly Hills, California and you will understand dual citizen traitors completely.
Why TF was this a thing??
This was announced in May- not a surprise. It is not needed anymore with satellites.
Who needs this when Google does the spying for free. I live in an area that Google has not updated for years. When I lived on a military base Google was constantly updating the satellite pictures.
Not needed anymore. We have satellites for that now.
A lot of wartime footing is being made. Gird up your loins.
No need for “reconnaissance flights” anymore. We have satellites and an official Space Force now.
Does this really matter anyway with today's ubiquitous satellite surveillance?
What people don't realize is that our enemies aren't just taking pictures out of the window anymore when they use this treaty to spy on us, they are using HIGHLY sophisticated imaging equipment, even targeted (and harmful) xray equipment, to not only see things, but to also see inside and through things (why do you think Russia constantly buzzes our ships at sea and planes in the air...it's not just an intimidation tactic, they're getting close enough to use their scanning devices).
This allows them to effectively get schematics of our military hardware, see inside buildings, underground, etc. These things have limited ranges though. Iran does the same thing in the Persian Gulf. China does it in the S. China sea. Russia does it. They use them on our carriers and other ships, and this treaty effectively allowed them to do it on our own soil and get close enough to do it. So they're not just taking a peek anymore, they're using it to get all the goods while also exposing our ships/bases to radiation to do it.
Great insight. Thanks.
Satellites have a predictable path and time that your over the target area. Makes so you can move things around and hide if you know its coming, or blind it with a laser, or so I've read.