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rando_calrissian [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

The nomad family is lighter and quieter and works with non-soviet guns. I found the constraints acceptable to get that level of performance:

  • must be concentric- ie a quality AK with a modern era barrel- WBP, Arsenal, Saiga, etc
  • must be threaded in either a western pattern (most keymo mounts) or in 14x1 LH (jmac)

benefits of wolverine:

  • tolerates low build quality AKs
  • allows you to larp around with can that looks like a ПБС-1
  • will work on almost any eastern european host due to the adapter fitting many different bizzarro thread patterns

Further thoughts:

  • the PBS-1 was barely used by the soviets since I understand it arrived towards the end of the 7.62x39 period... and in the modern era they use all the 9x39 guns instead
  • the actual PBS-1 was garbage, with rubber wipes, poor performance, etc
  • almost all the stuff you can put on AKs is post-cold-war stuff like belomo/zenit, so you're fitting an "authentic" looking suppressor to a gun that is solidly post-soviet to anyone that knows anything about AKs
  • 7.62x39 in short barrel is the optimal small AK setup (5.45 is absolute trash from small barrels) but there is no authentic soviet equivalent to this- the krink is from the period AFTER they rejected 7.62x39 in favor of 5.45.

So given the choice of being "authentic" vs having something useful, I got a nomad and I only use high quality kalshinikovs with it. In addition to my other hosts who wouldn't work with a wolverine.

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markolbb 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yeah the PBS-1 was shit but dude-- they look so cool! My buddy just built a 9x39 SBR it's awesome.

Edit:: the Nomad is still lighter with KeyMo than the Wolverine?

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rando_calrissian [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

Nomad 30 is definitely lighter- 4 ounces less with keymo, 10 ounces less with jmac X37 mount. And quieter. Nomad-L is much quieter but only tied on weight with Keymo, with x37 mount, it's 6 ounces less.

Depending on which thread adapter you need to use, Wolverine is between 20-24 ounces. It's really fucking heavy.

I couldn't feel a huge difference between the weight/size of direct thread and keymo. I think that it's a lot of noise over very little difference. Keymo also doesn't add much length. The keymo sleeves over the muzzle device which sleeves over the barrel. You're mostly just adding a bunch of weight, maybe 6-8 ounces depending on muzzle device.

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markolbb 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yeah almost all my stuff is direct thread but I had heard that Keymo is heavy. It's an industry standard for a reason-- it works, but sometimes the weight isn't worth the QD.

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rando_calrissian [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

Keymo is bombproof and IMO very safe and convenient.

I never noticed the weight that much but I would notice if my can came loose during firing or got stuck when I wanted to take the can back off.

You do have to rocksett the shit out of everything but even when I didn't do this, all my failures (ie, stuff coming loose) were during disassembly rather than during shooting.

I've run direct thread before (primarily on 22 hosts/cans) and it's annoying during extended shooting sessions when stuff starts coming loose.