Why are we even voting or tabulating electronically? If India--a country of 1 billion people--can vote on paper and have verifiable results in under 24 hours, then we can too.
Outside of the desire to cheat, there is NO reason to be voting electronically.
Spez for typo, and to say: full agreement with Pedes who are saying voter id, vote in person, and secure the absentee process.
Why are we even voting or tabulating electronically? If India--a country of 1 billion people--can vote on paper and have verifiable results in under 24 hours, then we can too.
Outside of the desire to cheat, there is NO reason to be voting electronically.
Spez for typo, and to say: full agreement with Pedes who are saying voter id, vote in person, and secure the absentee process.
AND voter ID!
And one-way hash receipts
You get a tear off ticket from your ballot with a code (not tied to your ID).
You can look up how your ballot was counted by this code.
And finger ink at the polling stations
Low tech is best tech. Stain the fingers of those who cast ballots.
And annual voter roll purging
You want to vote in an upcoming election? You need to register every election - with a paper form - using your Voter ID Number.
Was thinking something similar on the receipt but not as thought out. I like these ideas
If you need a receipt then the counting happens some other time, so receipt is bad news.
If you're there watching the counting at your local poll then you don't need a receipt. Get a receipt for the local poll count that you watched not for your vote.
I was thinking its more like just a reference number. Like 'Your vote has been counted and is in the database under the vote id ###########'
I have to do this every 2 years to keep my medical license. Why not for Voting?
This is the way forward. The only reason to do differently is to cheat.
If we get this, Democrats will lose all power.
If your party falls from "50% of representation" to "15-20% of representation" - all those special interest bucks evaporate. The corrupt media engine evaporates. This is the end game.
No. There will be regrouping and repackaging. Even the special interest groups are only facades for the real threats.
I don't understand finger ink can someone explain why that is a protection measure?
If you try to manually vote in multiple locations - you cant hide finger ink
Sounds dumb - but it's also stupid hard to un-stain your finger fast enough to vote again.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/28/india-the-ink-with-a-secret-formula-that-powers-the-worlds-biggest-democratic-exercise
It’s so that we can identify cheating democrats by missing digits after election day
Can Voter ID just be SSN? Or would that be a problem?
Edit: I just looked it up. SSNs can also be issued to non-citizens, but the Social Security cards themselves are different. I would also think, since it's a federally issued card, voting eligibility can be tracked because age and citizenship is tracked. Seems to me, the SSN database could be used along with a picture ID.
Any thoughts?
You don't want to write down your SSN and hand it to people with a folding table outside of the grocery store.
I don't understand why you'd need to to that. You're just presenting it as your voter ID to the election official when it's time to vote.
Because otherwise we will have the same dirty voter rosters (with the IDs) as we do with the current registration system.
You need both. ID + regular registration to keep the lists clean.
Illegals have been buying and selling valid SSNs for decades. Some numbers have 20 or more people assigned to it. No way I'm being denied a vote because some Guatemalan house cleaner got paid 100 bucks by her rich Democrat boss to vote before I got off of work.
Politicians are still cucked though. The Conservative Party is just Liberal Lite.
Populations that vote correct are allowed 'fair' elections, populations that don't get electronic voting machines.
Blockchain could very well be an answer.
At the same time I picture the year 2134, where paper ballots are used in our intergalactic American Republic. The one thing to preserve
This August the government filed a new patent for blockchain voting that involves the USPS system too.
https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/usps-to-utilize-blockchain-with-new-31020/
I would like to believe that the President has the mechanics in place to completely change elections moving forward after this fiasco and kind of... let it happen (the cheating) so it could be exposed.
It's interesting and have heard a lot of parroting about block chain voting for a few years now. Ideally seeing how our tax dollars are spent on particular programs in real time and rock solid voting is going to be the future.
Or this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6Q-R-zvr_Q&list=PLmvUyUoRmaxP-ZrPlEg7F3syasHt9txlH&index=37&t=320s
why didnt we care about this 2016-2019 is what i want to know!
I did. I screamed it over and over on the internet, but nobody cares.
You and me both. It was so frustrating. Everyone 'agreed' that's the way it should be, but making them realize it needed to be the single issue at the forefront to actually enact right now, not tomorrow but NOW ... nothing
Well in fairness Trump himself was saying we should implement voter ID in his rallies, yet he never did anything about it
He couldn't. He needed the backing of the states and congress.
A fair portion of our country is seditious.
if there ever was a time for PDJT to get creative Constitutionally, I'm all for EO's securing our elections on a national basis (paper, ID, no machines)
the Democrat run states are rogue - as a Oregon resident, our elections are NOT secure - my rights are being violated
We did and we were yelling about it. However as this goes on its starting to look like this Dominion scam is bigger than just the US, it has implications in leftists taking power across the globe. It's not enough just to have one more safe election with Trump then move on, we need to find, try, and convict those who are prepetrating the fraud. For that to happen, you have to catch them in the act.
Maybe Trump didn't do anything so he could set up a sting and trap them.
A lot of TD did for the last four years. We we said voter fraud was going to be our biggest challenge.
And in-person voting only.
Paper ballot Voter ID Fingerprint on ballot Signature on ballot.
Makes you really think if all the winners of Dancing With The Stars were manipulated votes too.
Probably all those shows are. Put the favorites behind so more people call in to "fix" things. They have no responsibility to be honest and every reason to want more money.
There was a competition in the UK a few years back that got in some hot water for continuing to take (expensive) calls after the winner had already been decided.
How about fucking voter ID? Enforcing the current election laws?
National voter ID
Thumb prints, voter ID, and in person paper ballots only.
Just skip the farce we call elections.
King Trump.
This but unironically
The Anglosphere must be united under a single monarch.
Then you pile up the votes vertically so everyone can see the winner. And heres the kicker, you dont burn the votes until the next election is over.
Paper ballots and inked fingers
HAND COUNT
Paper ballots only, voter ID, very limited absentee ballots.
A-M-E-N
Italian system: paper ballots printed on special paper that is hard to falsify, voter ID required before voting, Copying pencils to vote, so as to make a sign that is very easy to see and impossible to erase due to chemical reactions with the paper.
Counting has to be done polling station by polling station directly and communicated to state capital after count ends by each station, count has to happen with the presence of a watcher from each party, who also helps with the counting and can dispute ballots.
Results up to the single polling station should be made available online after a week from the vote.
Start now to force the voting machines out. You gotta ask why all the politicians are not talking about the elephant in the room. The machine are ran by a foreign company and we are still using them. Unless it's worse then we though and for years they have been stacking the deck against us. I say this if they are all quiet maybe they all got elected by it. Its time to fix this once and for all.
We need:
This all means that we can have no post-closing ballot stuffing because that would yield more ballots than people voted. They could not vote for people who were registered but didn't vote. And it would mean they could not change ballots after they were cast. And we could have fast and reliable counts. And the audit logs of who voted when could be used for detecting double voting.
Every person touching ballots needs have 1 GOP an 1 Dem watching everything. No farther than 2 feet away over their shoulder. Cameras recording every vote and streamed online. If a camera fails no counting can take place at that spot until its replaced and the stream is back up. Probably need federal employees overseeing the counting everywhere in the country an the federal employees should have jurisdiction within the buildings ballots are being counted so local Democrat police can't violate election laws an throw out legal observers for objecting to something as was done this year.
Once it's a done deal, we need to start the pressure for a whole slew of things.
-National Registry of Citizens (all the other western countries have this)
- Voter ID
-No Mail Ballots *
(* You can just put the officials on tour, to go through the hospitals / nursing homes etc, and take the votes. That is how they do it in Finland. And put up official Early voting places with poll watchers, id certification etc)
Sure. Right after the hangings.
Kek
Agreed. But, may I suggest that all paper ballots for any and all federal elections be:
Printed in watermarked NCR format and in three parts. Top copy to a (newly formed) States Office of Federal Elections in Washington, D.C., second copy to the States Boards of Elections (all 50 states), and the third copy to the voter as a receipt. All ballots must include a complete Social Security Number and be completed, signed, and dated by the voter, and only the voter.
All such ballots for federal elections must be printed and sent to all USPS postal annexes in all 50 States where any and all voters will go to vote and mail out their completed ballots to the county election boards of their State and to the (newly formed) States Office of Federal Elections via the USPS annex in Washington, D.C. (which will need to be enormously enlarged) to be officially verified and counted.
The States Office of Federal Elections would need to be under the complete control of the States per U.S. Constitution. Nowhere in the Constitution does it state WHERE the States control the federal elections.
The United States citizens and legally eligible voter data base at the States Office of Federal Elections must be provided and maintained by the Internal Revenue Service, Social Security Administration, and Department of Home- land Security. The data base must include social security numbers and signatures.
Any and all challenges to any and all federal elections can now be reliably investigated with checks and balances and in a timely manner. Any fraud conducted by the States will be caught at the federal level, any fraud conducted at the federal level will be caught by the States, and any fraud conducted via collusion at the State and federal levels will be caught by the voters via receipt.
Yes, the cost for this would be in the millions, but what cost legitimate federal elections? At what cost an ease and trust in the federal election process?
Not being cute or quippy when I say--you've really thought this through. Are you an attorney, or have you held elected office?
None of this will prevent the worst of the fraud we're seeing in places like Detroit and Philadelphia. It doesn't stop corrupt election workers from filling out bundles of ballots, impersonating voters, and preventing certain parties from observing or auditing.
How about open source review? Every ballot has a unique number. The voter, and only the voter knows which ballot is theirs. All ballots get published digitally within 3 days, and their status by midnight of election day. Names and addresses of all voters are published the next day in a separate list.
Severe penalties for allowing illegal votes. I don't care if they're IDed. I just want it easy to show 1) voter impersonation, 2) not a resident of precinct, or 3) ineligble to vote. Start cracking down and making people pay, and they'll shape up and require proof.
or at least open-source voting machines
Consider the Indian system. Voter ID and thumbprints for 900 million people, and the elections are fairly honest.
Yes, thumbprints or signatures right on the paper ballots. Both can be quickly and easily verified.
And they're working hard to cut down on the number of people shitting in their streets!
And they're going toe-to-toe with the Chinese and quite literally beating them with axe handles because the Chinese are pushing their boundaries.
Paper ballots, voter ID and blue fingers.
Agreed! Also voter ID, the national guard in each state counting the ballots, with one Republican, one Democrat, and one Independent observer per each ballot counter. Ballots should be treated like currency; under lock and key with armed guards and armored trucks.
It'll be up to each state but we need to let them know we will allow nothing less
Its the only way...
Giant ballot box in public view. Polls open, box is opened and checked in view of public then locked. Vote is private on paper ballots then you publicly drop it in the box.
When voting is done, box is opened and counted right there in public view, read out one by one with observers. Public can watch but not close enough to see names on ballots. Can use secret id numbers to avoid this. Have it livestreamed online as well. The box and ballots never leave public view except when being filled out by the voter.
Counting is done in shifts 24/7 until done. May take awhile in large precincts but it is public and you know where every ballot came from and that it arrived on time.
IN-PERSON ELECTION DAY PAPER BALLOTS ONLY!
Every paper ballot must have Trumps bloody thumb print seal so we can DNA sample each ballot if any funny biz happens again
Voter ID and in person
Voter ID, an electronic system that prints actual paper ballots, the paper ballot is the system of record, the electronic system is only to report stats until a full hand count is complete. fully traceable with voter ID.
The ballots need to be serialized/blockchained/watermarked too
so does all of that reside in the courts? or does it have to come from the house?
I honestly have no idea. Voting methods are currently a state by state matter, so a national system might come at some price to states' rights, but it would require a radical overhaul and would probably touch all 3 branches of both state and federal govt
MFW constitutional amendment :)
After Trump is sworn in for a 2nd term, we need to have a national discussion about the cheating that the democrats have been doing for years and whether or not they should be allowed to have a role in future elections.
Personally, I think the democrat party should be banned and dissolved.
this of course is the major question, yes.
Purple dye, vote with a fingerprint ....and then your finger is stained purple for weeks....as already mentioned.
Close but not quite there. Instead of paper use a thin plastic like Japan does, that way ballot destruction requires hardware not just a commie with functioning opposable thumbs.
Yes every state should be banning voting machines and using only paper ballots after this election and adding heavy restrictions on absentee voting and voter ID. And to prevent last minute ballot dumps precincts must report the exact number of absentee ballots they have right as polls close.
And national guard counting them.
This is only one step, and I still believe absentee ballots have a place particularly for those on active duty or deployed, travellers, students that maintain residency in their home states... the things that were always reasonable.
How does Judicial Watch win a lawsuit over a year ago requiring PA to clean up the rolls and they can just ignore the order without consequence? They claimed they didn't have the time but sure had the time to turn the system upside down only to go on and blatantly ignore another court order.
The only reason I dont want to see absentee ballots going as a whole is because it disenfranchises those serving in our armed forces. Lots of AD personell maintain their home state as residency, some get PCS'ed after deadlines, others are on deployments and temporary duty assignments away from home.
Abolish mail-in ballots except those expressly requested with valid reasons (e.g. Americans abroad, military, and disabled/elderly)
You inspired me to post this: https://thedonald.win/p/11QRyChHU5/a-proper-election-system-would-h/
Great stuff, pede.
Thanks. Let's get it and other good ideas to the top.
I make TD.W this solemn promise: when Donald J. Trump is inaugurated again, if not before when he's been elected by the EC/Congress, I will seek employment in his Administration in designing and making a new election system along these lines.
Lord, I hope that happens!
spez: you working there, I mean. I KNOW he will be sworn in again .
Me too! Lord knows I've made enough money in the private sector. Time to give back!
VOTER ID
And there should be some uniform regulation/standards/acceptable practices for states. How some states can be so efficient and others be a total disaster is a disgrace to our nation.
We also need some kind of regulation on the way ballots are counted. No machines that connect to the internet. Nothing that tabulates data overseas. Nothing that can mark ballots.