We agree that we want the world to be in good straights, but we believe what is best for the world is not provided by a central authority for the whole world. We recognize that many different people and cultures hold incompatible ideals for world has no semblance of normalcy here and vice-versa. For that reason we are not globalist, but populist that want clearly separated governance. This is practice is mimicked in America in our support for states rights within the country and our longing for reduced federal power.
2: "Realize that this is insane":
A) We do not like Fox news. We believe they are dishonest and manipulative. To that end we actually accept their statements as controlled opposition attempting to get right-leaning people to assume weak points of contention with the intent of making them easy to dismiss as uninformed.
B) We are calling for audits because there is in fact overwhelming evidence of voter fraud. We have overwhelmingly extensive logs of cases and refutations to the dismissals from MSM sources that try to dismiss many of the strawmen data the MSM cherry picks. They want to sow chaos among those that believe Biden won for the sake of harming Trump's second term (media will portray this as stealing the premise of a presidency that was never won).
C) We don't support direct democracy. That'd be crazy. We like the fact that America is a Constitutional Republic.
D) No, it was expected that mail-in ballots would be a tide that rose all states vote totals in favor of the Democrats in the "red-mirage" theory. It only did this to the 6 states that stopped counting. You can verify the vote flipping that occurred from the Edison data the NYT used in publishing its election results (unless you want to refute that data). All other sites (even MSM election boards live on air) showed the vote flipping occurring. Much of the ballot dumping occurred at rates that are 3x faster than vote tabulators can physically count ballots between vote drops (prime example is in the TCF center in Detroit and in Milwaukee). Seperately, even assuming massive Democrat favor in the mail-in system you still can not reasonably expect ballot batches on the order of 1,000+ votes at a time to have less than 2% support for Trump. That's comparable levels of performance as Kim Jong-Un or Bashir Al-Assad's competition. Hell, some ballot drops at this scale even went 100% for Biden with NO down ballot votes for any other race or amendment. Only Biden. Not possible. Much more crazy to assume this is not fraudulent. There is a reason poll workers were obstructed at every opportunity in Detroit and Philidelphia (not allowing workers back in after a "lunch break," physcially obstructing windows on the opposite side of locked door so watchers can't see in at the TCF center, uncertified individuals allowed in with backpacks and coolers presumably stuffed with doctored ballots), and lied to about closing to vote counting for the night in Atlanta (over a "water main break" that did not even happen).
3: "Trump is engaging in an aggressive attempt to de-legitamize Democracy":
We want an audit such that ALL VOTES (legally cast) are equally counted. 1 person whom decides to vote gets their 1 vote. If Biden wins after a thorough audit which affirms this criteria then that's that for each individual state; let the state select the electors at that point. We believe we are standing up for those who's votes are being disenfranchised by fraud. We believe there was massive fraud and that real voters were massively disenfranchised. See 2D above.
4: "You seem like you're in a cult":
I could say the same about those that want to institute socialism in the USA, but that's deflecting from your point so I will not continue down that track.
We actually sympathize with you on this point. We understand that massively powerful corporate structures and foreign investment firms own huge shares of all MSM and main stream social media. They push a mostly unified narratives all in lock step (with varying levels of controlled opposition) such that whatever the MSM states is commonly heard narrative. This action of news from positions of authority separates people into tribes such that each tribe thinks the other is crazy to varying degrees. We understand that, but please realize that your viewpoints about the bandwagon acceptance narrative you're riding on (we're the crazy guys, election was secure, etc.) is cultivated such that dissent from that opinion is shamed out of existence and even outright banned in many cases. Dissent is not tolerated if it can mount a force capable of challenging the MSM approved narrative on their platform in most cases. Maybe you specifically either did or didn't believe the Trump-Russia election connection of 2016, but the left at large certainly did. At least that's how MSM acted by even considering this narrative is highly viable (see Rachael Maddow) for 3 years until the Mueller report found Trump totally and utterly innocent. Best they could come up with was a single campaign manager for Trump had done some shady stuff back in the mid-2000's. We believe most people are ignorant to this truth (media is a corperate entity so they push agenda's to their benefit, not for the sake of truth - so they either omit, misrepresent, lie about, or distract from true news to promote whatever agenda causes them to grow their own power... globalism), so we understand why most people would think we're crazy. Time to leave the globalist plantation.
We are anonymous (for the most part) and free to speak our mind here such that we organically cultivate and distribute our own information either to our communities benefit or peril. We encourage verification and try to shun opinions at large if we can verify they are either false or lacking in info to support their statements (usually it just doesn't catch on for long at all if this is the case - even if it makes it to the "rising" tab briefly). The general community approval or rejection over time should document our track record.
5: "Trump's lawsuits are failing":
A)
Trump's team has only filed 4 lawsuits as of the last time I checked (Saturday). One of those was retracted because it was supposed to de-certify the Wayne county certification of the vote, but the vote ended up grid-locking so no need to proceed with that case and withdrawn (I believe? It may have been amended to MI at large). No case even started going through court (other than the filing) until late last week.
Many third parties with improperly filed suits (often filed before the election even started) had their cases tossed because they weren't filed properly, but, again, they weren't from Trump's team. I do know one of Trump's cases was rejected (only one), but was appealed to a higher court in PA (the plan to start with). There was one third party case I know of that went after Dominion but the Dominion representative refused to show up so no cross-examination could be conducted.
Trump's team is not pursuing any lawsuits on the grounds of electronic vote flipping or deletion (note: Sidney Powell is NOT part of Trump's team... she is appreciated and her cases serve his interests, but she is not working for him). They are pursuing voter disenfranchisement. They agree that fraud probably happened, but it's not a hill they have the time to set up a siege on. Just because many people whom support Trump are filing suit over this election doesn't mean their suit represents Trump's cases. Sidney never received money from Trump's team at any point ever, so she could not have been let go. Too many people were conflating that (and the corrupt RNC establishment is threatened because Sydney is implicating Republicans as well), so Trump's team clarified this. Rudy, Trump, and crew may sympathize (and even agree) with Sidney and others' suits, but they are either too lengthy a case or too risky a pursuit to be considered by Trump's election defense team. No narrative has shifted. Only clarification of commonly held mistakes.
B) About your whole power level supreme court thing (disclosing more evidence later in the process of appeals):
Yes, many of us know this is not how courts work. Many of us do understand and agree with your statements about how court works, but sadly there are some that don't... that said we're willing to appeal up to SC if necessary, but would rather wrap up cases in lower courts. There are many activist judges that will do what they can to discredit real cases that harm their ideology. You may say the same about supposedly right leaning judges, but I guess that a matter of philosophy about strict-constructionalism vs. legal positivism.
C) Trump's legal team cases being thrown out part II
Name the case and the plaintiffs. I believe you are conflating all cases with those filed by Trump's team. If their was a suit from his team that was tossed (see above PA case) it has likely already been appealed.
6: Georgia vs. Florida
You're right that recounts shouldn't flip huge quantities of votes, but there have already been two cases where election data that wasn't originally uploaded were corrected and provided Trump a net-gain of just under 2,000 votes. This occurred in spite of poll watchers being prevented from viewing the recount in totality in contested regions (by any reasonable standard). Already the largest election discrepancy ever in this countries history and the recount was still a sham since the ballot sorting could not be observed. Many first hand accounts of this fact if you go check out the most recent 8 or so videos from the YouTube channel TPPatriots.
7: "what do we need to do to pull you out of this:"
Simple. Full audit of the vote. We want an audit where there are at least 2 poll watchers (1 D and 1 R minimum) at every counting table with no proximity limitation. Masks? They're BS, but whatever; not gonna die on that hill. That said NO plexi-glass shields or BS 6 ft distancing practice. Watchers be allowed to easily observe the ballots being counted. Counters CAN NOT attempt to hide what they are counting in any way what-so-ever and ballot challenges and the results of the challenge must be fully documented such that if a poll watcher is incompetent the evidence against them is public. Votes must be monitored every single step of the way and each table must have a written tally of their vote count prior to sending the ballots to the tabulating machines. Tabulated results must be written out by hand and documented to be compared to the written account at the counting tables. Also full voter role audit to remove double voters (voted in more than one state or twice in different regions in the same state), dead voters, maiden name jacked votes, chased votes, false address votes, and votes with improper date of request/return documented. All people that had their party registration changed at the last minute must be contacted to make sure it wasn't fraudulently done in their name so if they voted early (by mail or in person) a fraudulent ballot by mail in their name that arrives after party registration change does not negate their original vote.
There was too much fraud and obstruction that is verifiable and already submitted to court to accept the results as is. We don't know what all the Trump team has, but we have major archives of problems. Maybe you're right though, we'll see. You should want this audit so you can laugh about Biden actually winning and that we're just crazy conspiracy theorists, right? We will accept an audit that meets the criteria outlined in 2B. If we're right then we just saved America from 3rd world level tactics and you can thank us for saving the true will of the people.
8: "Not illegal to lie to you":
Ditto, MSM does just that to everyone. Corroborating individuals without big money backing are much more trustworthy to me than the corporate media-industrial complex.
1: Premise:
We agree that we want the world to be in good straights, but we believe what is best for the world is not provided by a central authority for the whole world. We recognize that many different people and cultures hold incompatible ideals for world has no semblance of normalcy here and vice-versa. For that reason we are not globalist, but populist that want clearly separated governance. This is practice is mimicked in America in our support for states rights within the country and our longing for reduced federal power.
2: "Realize that this is insane":
A) We do not like Fox news. We believe they are dishonest and manipulative. To that end we actually accept their statements as controlled opposition attempting to get right-leaning people to assume weak points of contention with the intent of making them easy to dismiss as uninformed.
B) We are calling for audits because there is in fact overwhelming evidence of voter fraud. We have overwhelmingly extensive logs of cases and refutations to the dismissals from MSM sources that try to dismiss many of the strawmen data the MSM cherry picks. They want to sow chaos among those that believe Biden won for the sake of harming Trump's second term (media will portray this as stealing the premise of a presidency that was never won).
C) We don't support direct democracy. That'd be crazy. We like the fact that America is a Constitutional Republic.
D) No, it was expected that mail-in ballots would be a tide that rose all states vote totals in favor of the Democrats in the "red-mirage" theory. It only did this to the 6 states that stopped counting. You can verify the vote flipping that occurred from the Edison data the NYT used in publishing its election results (unless you want to refute that data). All other sites (even MSM election boards live on air) showed the vote flipping occurring. Much of the ballot dumping occurred at rates that are 3x faster than vote tabulators can physically count ballots between vote drops (prime example is in the TCF center in Detroit and in Milwaukee). Seperately, even assuming massive Democrat favor in the mail-in system you still can not reasonably expect ballot batches on the order of 1,000+ votes at a time to have less than 2% support for Trump. That's comparable levels of performance as Kim Jong-Un or Bashir Al-Assad's competition. Hell, some ballot drops at this scale even went 100% for Biden with NO down ballot votes for any other race or amendment. Only Biden. Not possible. Much more crazy to assume this is not fraudulent. There is a reason poll workers were obstructed at every opportunity in Detroit and Philidelphia (not allowing workers back in after a "lunch break," physcially obstructing windows on the opposite side of locked door so watchers can't see in at the TCF center, uncertified individuals allowed in with backpacks and coolers presumably stuffed with doctored ballots), and lied to about closing to vote counting for the night in Atlanta (over a "water main break" that did not even happen).
3: "Trump is engaging in an aggressive attempt to de-legitamize Democracy":
We want an audit such that ALL VOTES (legally cast) are equally counted. 1 person whom decides to vote gets their 1 vote. If Biden wins after a thorough audit which affirms this criteria then that's that for each individual state; let the state select the electors at that point. We believe we are standing up for those who's votes are being disenfranchised by fraud. We believe there was massive fraud and that real voters were massively disenfranchised. See 2D above.
4: "You seem like you're in a cult":
I could say the same about those that want to institute socialism in the USA, but that's deflecting from your point so I will not continue down that track.
We actually sympathize with you on this point. We understand that massively powerful corporate structures and foreign investment firms own huge shares of all MSM and main stream social media. They push a mostly unified narratives all in lock step (with varying levels of controlled opposition) such that whatever the MSM states is commonly heard narrative. This action of news from positions of authority separates people into tribes such that each tribe thinks the other is crazy to varying degrees. We understand that, but please realize that your viewpoints about the bandwagon acceptance narrative you're riding on (we're the crazy guys, election was secure, etc.) is cultivated such that dissent from that opinion is shamed out of existence and even outright banned in many cases. Dissent is not tolerated if it can mount a force capable of challenging the MSM approved narrative on their platform in most cases. Maybe you specifically either did or didn't believe the Trump-Russia election connection of 2016, but the left at large certainly did. At least that's how MSM acted by even considering this narrative is highly viable (see Rachael Maddow) for 3 years until the Mueller report found Trump totally and utterly innocent. Best they could come up with was a single campaign manager for Trump had done some shady stuff back in the mid-2000's. We believe most people are ignorant to this truth (media is a corperate entity so they push agenda's to their benefit, not for the sake of truth - so they either omit, misrepresent, lie about, or distract from true news to promote whatever agenda causes them to grow their own power... globalism), so we understand why most people would think we're crazy. Time to leave the globalist plantation.
We are anonymous (for the most part) and free to speak our mind here such that we organically cultivate and distribute our own information either to our communities benefit or peril. We encourage verification and try to shun opinions at large if we can verify they are either false or lacking in info to support their statements (usually it just doesn't catch on for long at all if this is the case - even if it makes it to the "rising" tab briefly). The general community approval or rejection over time should document our track record.
5: "Trump's lawsuits are failing": A) Trump's team has only filed 4 lawsuits as of the last time I checked (Saturday). One of those was retracted because it was supposed to de-certify the Wayne county certification of the vote, but the vote ended up grid-locking so no need to proceed with that case and withdrawn (I believe? It may have been amended to MI at large). No case even started going through court (other than the filing) until late last week.
Many third parties with improperly filed suits (often filed before the election even started) had their cases tossed because they weren't filed properly, but, again, they weren't from Trump's team. I do know one of Trump's cases was rejected (only one), but was appealed to a higher court in PA (the plan to start with). There was one third party case I know of that went after Dominion but the Dominion representative refused to show up so no cross-examination could be conducted.
Trump's team is not pursuing any lawsuits on the grounds of electronic vote flipping or deletion (note: Sidney Powell is NOT part of Trump's team... she is appreciated and her cases serve his interests, but she is not working for him). They are pursuing voter disenfranchisement. They agree that fraud probably happened, but it's not a hill they have the time to set up a siege on. Just because many people whom support Trump are filing suit over this election doesn't mean their suit represents Trump's cases. Sidney never received money from Trump's team at any point ever, so she could not have been let go. Too many people were conflating that (and the corrupt RNC establishment is threatened because Sydney is implicating Republicans as well), so Trump's team clarified this. Rudy, Trump, and crew may sympathize (and even agree) with Sidney and others' suits, but they are either too lengthy a case or too risky a pursuit to be considered by Trump's election defense team. No narrative has shifted. Only clarification of commonly held mistakes.
B) About your whole power level supreme court thing (disclosing more evidence later in the process of appeals):
Yes, many of us know this is not how courts work. Many of us do understand and agree with your statements about how court works, but sadly there are some that don't... that said we're willing to appeal up to SC if necessary, but would rather wrap up cases in lower courts. There are many activist judges that will do what they can to discredit real cases that harm their ideology. You may say the same about supposedly right leaning judges, but I guess that a matter of philosophy about strict-constructionalism vs. legal positivism.
C) Trump's legal team cases being thrown out part II
Name the case and the plaintiffs. I believe you are conflating all cases with those filed by Trump's team. If their was a suit from his team that was tossed (see above PA case) it has likely already been appealed.
6: Georgia vs. Florida You're right that recounts shouldn't flip huge quantities of votes, but there have already been two cases where election data that wasn't originally uploaded were corrected and provided Trump a net-gain of just under 2,000 votes. This occurred in spite of poll watchers being prevented from viewing the recount in totality in contested regions (by any reasonable standard). Already the largest election discrepancy ever in this countries history and the recount was still a sham since the ballot sorting could not be observed. Many first hand accounts of this fact if you go check out the most recent 8 or so videos from the YouTube channel TPPatriots.
7: "what do we need to do to pull you out of this:"
Simple. Full audit of the vote. We want an audit where there are at least 2 poll watchers (1 D and 1 R minimum) at every counting table with no proximity limitation. Masks? They're BS, but whatever; not gonna die on that hill. That said NO plexi-glass shields or BS 6 ft distancing practice. Watchers be allowed to easily observe the ballots being counted. Counters CAN NOT attempt to hide what they are counting in any way what-so-ever and ballot challenges and the results of the challenge must be fully documented such that if a poll watcher is incompetent the evidence against them is public. Votes must be monitored every single step of the way and each table must have a written tally of their vote count prior to sending the ballots to the tabulating machines. Tabulated results must be written out by hand and documented to be compared to the written account at the counting tables. Also full voter role audit to remove double voters (voted in more than one state or twice in different regions in the same state), dead voters, maiden name jacked votes, chased votes, false address votes, and votes with improper date of request/return documented. All people that had their party registration changed at the last minute must be contacted to make sure it wasn't fraudulently done in their name so if they voted early (by mail or in person) a fraudulent ballot by mail in their name that arrives after party registration change does not negate their original vote.
There was too much fraud and obstruction that is verifiable and already submitted to court to accept the results as is. We don't know what all the Trump team has, but we have major archives of problems. Maybe you're right though, we'll see. You should want this audit so you can laugh about Biden actually winning and that we're just crazy conspiracy theorists, right? We will accept an audit that meets the criteria outlined in 2B. If we're right then we just saved America from 3rd world level tactics and you can thank us for saving the true will of the people.
8: "Not illegal to lie to you":
Ditto, MSM does just that to everyone. Corroborating individuals without big money backing are much more trustworthy to me than the corporate media-industrial complex.
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