i've read this letter. I do not see how it makes the fact that 'transition' is now officially a thing, any better.
To win we need SCOTUS to invalidate 3 state elections - that's unprecedented in history of this country.
in 2000, after they concluded that Florida's election was unconstitutional, they decided to not do anything about it because they could not come up for a remedy they felt was fair to all involved.
Translation to that, is that public opinion and appearances matter in SCOTUS ruling.
and this change, kind fucks us on public appearances.
got nothing left to do but pray those 5 SCOTUS judges are real patriots
Translation to that, is that public opinion and appearances matter in SCOTUS ruling.>
This is why the rallies are important. Keep flying your American flags. Don't be intimidated into taking it down. Instead double down and add a Trump flag. Keep your Trump 2020 lawn signs up. Don't skip Thanksgiving. Talk to everyone let them know you support Trump. Let them know you don't want things to just be 'normal' again. Status quo was not staying anyhow. Politicians were screwing us over and someone is finally standing up for the little guy. What do you know - it's the big guy with the big hair the big tie the big words and the yuuuuuge heart.
Actually, that isn't true. Even if SCOTUS kicks the can down the road (which IMO they will do), it simply means it goes to the house for a vote.
Once the house votes, it's a true electoral college election wherein each state gets ONE vote. In such a case, Trump will win 35/50 states.
I don't think SCOTUS will have the balls to rule on this one way or the other. They hate this kind of shit. That's why sending it to the house is a likely outcome.
if SCOTUS sides with us, than your scenario is correct. SCOTUS cannot reassign electoral votes to Trump, they can only rule whether or not the elections in these states were legal or not.
So if we win in SCOTUS, it will still require the legislature of each of these states to than take up the mandate given to them by SCOTUS and not certify the votes.
So let me clarify - our path to victory rests on SCOTUS siding with us on 3 separate state elections... and than all the Republicans in legislature in those states not cucking out.
But if SCOTUS rules against us, there is no way in hell that 3 separate states of Republicans to suddenly rally to team MAGA and refuse to certify an election that SCOTUS did not deem illegal. That just will not ever happen. We are talking about several hundred Republicans - a party legendary for cucking under pressure - to stand up in the most brazen act of political defiance since the times of civil war.
you are also wrong and Alito has already shown SCOTUS intentions.
The case going to SCOTUS from PA will invalidate all ballots received after 8pm election night and even Dershowitz thinks its a shoe-in.
The other states have similar issues.
If SCOTUS rules that these rules imposed by these states were unconstitutional (they were) then you are suggesting that these legislatures will knowingly certify ballots deemed ILLEGAL by SCOTUS. i dont think so.
i've read Alito's court orders and I also watched his speech to that judicial society. I am 99.999% sure he will side with Trump.
Can't help but notice though that he seems to be the only SCOTUS judge that opened his mouth on the matter over last month.
But you are right, one thing we have going for us that's very different from 2000 is that we are likely to get a SCOTUS ruling before legislature certifies the state votes. That really does make this upcoming case a whole other ball game in terms of ramifications.
Obviously the SCOTUS will have to make a ruling. My point was that they won't be able to throw out the election results. The best they can do is kick it to the house for us.
My apologies if I misworded that, but I am agreeing with you. My response was to point out that even in our best win scenario, SCOTUS isn't the final stop, which was implied by your earlier post.
I thought you were under the impression this fight ends at SCOTUS.
There are two outcomes. Either scotus shrugs, and it ends there, or they invalidate results AND send it to the house.
There is no situation in which scotus directly crowns a king here. They either leave it alone or send it along.
It goes to the House if State electors don't give either candidate a winning 270 by 12/14. Courts have til 12/14 to straighten out the election fraud. Nobody has heard any evidence yet, nor do we know that Courts will.
Don't pretend to know what they will do. Focus on what we/you must do.
I'm all on-board with anything that forces Pelosi to make yet another walk of shame. She got a lot of that in 2019 and then things were quiet this year.
Transition is NOT officially a thing. Read the act. Any candidate who's potentially a winner would get access to the funds, and the funds are just to set up a transition office in preparation of a transition, should that become necessary. There have been no movements made to transition power at all.
Biden has not been declared the President elect. IF and when the cases get past the SCOTUS and the Electoral College elects him, THEN the real transition starts.
Maybe - but not like the President does. And, who cares? He doesn't have any power. And, we all know Harris has been giving him her Senate briefings.
I'm not sure what triggered this today, unless she cracked and demanded her bosses do something about the harrassment and death threats. I'd bet Biden's team has been relentlessly demanding this, to try and make it seem like Joe larping as the president elect in his basement has any meaning. This is not a huge loss for Trump, and it does nothing to legitimize Biden's status.
i've read this letter. I do not see how it makes the fact that 'transition' is now officially a thing, any better.
To win we need SCOTUS to invalidate 3 state elections - that's unprecedented in history of this country.
in 2000, after they concluded that Florida's election was unconstitutional, they decided to not do anything about it because they could not come up for a remedy they felt was fair to all involved.
Translation to that, is that public opinion and appearances matter in SCOTUS ruling.
and this change, kind fucks us on public appearances.
got nothing left to do but pray those 5 SCOTUS judges are real patriots
Also unprecedented is the scale & organization of the cheating. We have RICO RUDY, SP & LW on team America. Have a little faith.
i can only imagine your dooming in 2016
He's dooming like some dem in 2016 on election night
This is why the rallies are important. Keep flying your American flags. Don't be intimidated into taking it down. Instead double down and add a Trump flag. Keep your Trump 2020 lawn signs up. Don't skip Thanksgiving. Talk to everyone let them know you support Trump. Let them know you don't want things to just be 'normal' again. Status quo was not staying anyhow. Politicians were screwing us over and someone is finally standing up for the little guy. What do you know - it's the big guy with the big hair the big tie the big words and the yuuuuuge heart.
Actually, that isn't true. Even if SCOTUS kicks the can down the road (which IMO they will do), it simply means it goes to the house for a vote.
Once the house votes, it's a true electoral college election wherein each state gets ONE vote. In such a case, Trump will win 35/50 states.
I don't think SCOTUS will have the balls to rule on this one way or the other. They hate this kind of shit. That's why sending it to the house is a likely outcome.
you are wrong.
if SCOTUS sides with us, than your scenario is correct. SCOTUS cannot reassign electoral votes to Trump, they can only rule whether or not the elections in these states were legal or not.
So if we win in SCOTUS, it will still require the legislature of each of these states to than take up the mandate given to them by SCOTUS and not certify the votes.
So let me clarify - our path to victory rests on SCOTUS siding with us on 3 separate state elections... and than all the Republicans in legislature in those states not cucking out.
But if SCOTUS rules against us, there is no way in hell that 3 separate states of Republicans to suddenly rally to team MAGA and refuse to certify an election that SCOTUS did not deem illegal. That just will not ever happen. We are talking about several hundred Republicans - a party legendary for cucking under pressure - to stand up in the most brazen act of political defiance since the times of civil war.
you are also wrong and Alito has already shown SCOTUS intentions.
The case going to SCOTUS from PA will invalidate all ballots received after 8pm election night and even Dershowitz thinks its a shoe-in.
The other states have similar issues.
If SCOTUS rules that these rules imposed by these states were unconstitutional (they were) then you are suggesting that these legislatures will knowingly certify ballots deemed ILLEGAL by SCOTUS. i dont think so.
i've read Alito's court orders and I also watched his speech to that judicial society. I am 99.999% sure he will side with Trump.
Can't help but notice though that he seems to be the only SCOTUS judge that opened his mouth on the matter over last month.
But you are right, one thing we have going for us that's very different from 2000 is that we are likely to get a SCOTUS ruling before legislature certifies the state votes. That really does make this upcoming case a whole other ball game in terms of ramifications.
Hope endures.
Obviously the SCOTUS will have to make a ruling. My point was that they won't be able to throw out the election results. The best they can do is kick it to the house for us.
My apologies if I misworded that, but I am agreeing with you. My response was to point out that even in our best win scenario, SCOTUS isn't the final stop, which was implied by your earlier post.
I thought you were under the impression this fight ends at SCOTUS.
There are two outcomes. Either scotus shrugs, and it ends there, or they invalidate results AND send it to the house.
There is no situation in which scotus directly crowns a king here. They either leave it alone or send it along.
He wont win all 35.., maybe 32-33 , someone will flake
It goes to the House if State electors don't give either candidate a winning 270 by 12/14. Courts have til 12/14 to straighten out the election fraud. Nobody has heard any evidence yet, nor do we know that Courts will.
Don't pretend to know what they will do. Focus on what we/you must do.
I'm all on-board with anything that forces Pelosi to make yet another walk of shame. She got a lot of that in 2019 and then things were quiet this year.
If SCOTUS doesn't rule then the certification remains for Biden and we lose
Yep. Certifications matter.
Transition is NOT officially a thing. Read the act. Any candidate who's potentially a winner would get access to the funds, and the funds are just to set up a transition office in preparation of a transition, should that become necessary. There have been no movements made to transition power at all.
Biden has not been declared the President elect. IF and when the cases get past the SCOTUS and the Electoral College elects him, THEN the real transition starts.
is he going to be getting security briefings now?
Maybe - but not like the President does. And, who cares? He doesn't have any power. And, we all know Harris has been giving him her Senate briefings.
I'm not sure what triggered this today, unless she cracked and demanded her bosses do something about the harrassment and death threats. I'd bet Biden's team has been relentlessly demanding this, to try and make it seem like Joe larping as the president elect in his basement has any meaning. This is not a huge loss for Trump, and it does nothing to legitimize Biden's status.