will ever put a gun to your head and force you to believe. I’m shocked by how angry and hateful atheists get at their fellow pedes who bring up prayer or faith. You are acting exactly like liberals, going in to a post just to hate-reply. It’s sad. All we are doing is praying snd encouraging others to pray. If you don’t want to, that’s fine. There’s no need to harass those who want to. We are all on the same team here.
Where i used to work, a group of people got together by the flagpole every day at lunch. They didn’t demand anyone join them. They didn’t force the company to make prayer mandatory. They just got together and prayed, and everyone else moved on about their day.
There’s no need for the infighting. God bless
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As an athiest/agnostic, I find that behavior disgusting. Block or deport anyone doing that. Your prayers are appreciated.
I couldn't agree more.
Same - appreciate post and the comments
I went through my bitter, angry atheist phase as a teenager, and finally kicked it in my early 20s (thanks, Jordan Peterson!). Still not religious as such, but opening my mind to the boundless wisdom of Judeo-Christian tradition is one of the most important and fulfilling things I’ve ever done. Dennis Prager’s “Rational Bible” series is a treat, and a good place to start.
Jordan saving the American Male through You Tube.
He's got a new book comimg out
Same here. Looking back the angry atheist phase did absolutely nothing for my outlook or peace of mind.
Agreed
Whoa, eternal hell at age 6???? Some people are just off their rockers.
My son got told that by my neighbor. Doesn't help.
I have heard stories like that before, including people of my faith and it is 100% against our doctrine. Where do these people get off?
By being elderly and out of touch I guess
Or they are just awful humans, every group has them. I still find it horrifying.
My grandmothers were like that. You have no idea how many exorcisms I had to endure. smh. Four years old is a little young to put a kid through that. And dropping a bowl of cereal doesn't mean demon possession. It didn't end until I was ten and my mother finally put an end to that shit.
I still remember what provoked the last one. My grandparents took me to a toy store and told me I could pick out any toy I wanted. Well, I wanted a giant stuffed snake. It was purple and pretty. I was told to pick something else. I chose a long ranger action figure with Trigger. That was a 'boy' toy and that was unacceptable for a girl. (Oddly, I wanted the articulated horse more than the cowboy, but they didn't 'see' that perspective.) My grandmother steered me to the doll section. I realized that I wasn't getting what I really wanted, sucked it up, and pointed to a random baby doll.
When we got back to their place I unwrapped the doll and that's when my grandmother realized that the doll was an anatomically correct baby boy doll. Itty bitty little baby dick and balls.
Apparently that was strike three so out came the bibles and the belt. smh
I absolutely do admit that this left an impact on me and had a lot to do with my conversion to Judaism later in life. Never could get into the whole Christ thing after that childhood.
Holy shit, I don't blame you.
Just wanted to say sorry you had to go through that. I can't speak for everyone but as a Christian that behavior was not christ-like. Shameful. Glad you're in a better place and God bless.
Thanks brother. My Father saved me. :-)
Cool. Thanks for the Prager recommendation.
Prayer is super mega legit, soo muc knowledge in that man and his team. Rational Bible is EXCELLENT
My daughter is now 27 and started an angry atheist phase a few years ago when she got together with her atheist boyfriend. 2 years ago she told us we had to give up our faith too in order for her to be comfortable with us. I told her she had crossed a line and we have been out of touch. Any advice? I have been thinking of sending her a holiday card, but for several years before we fell out of touch she was just on me constantly about one thing or another and I got exhausted. She has also at times been a wonderful person and I miss her.
Just keep being an awesome example of Christ's love. I went through an extreme atheist phase (got "Religion is the opiate of the masses" and all the religious symbols tattooed down my back) My Mom was the perfect example of a Christian without hypocrisy and always lived the values without being judgemental. When I was down from my meth addiction she'd suggest going to church with her then eventually I did and got saved. Just keep being an awesome parent and eventually she'll come back to God.
Thank You
Maybe try inviting her to church for Christmas? Don't frame it as a "CONVERT HEATHEN" invitation but a "Hey I miss you and 2020s been a really hard year, a little tradition would be nice"
She moved to..... Portland Oregon, so can't just stop by. She lives in SE Portland where SJW is normal
Sorry about the pickle you’re in, the arrogance of some atheists is mind boggling to me. They seem to be more sure than any other group that others MUST conform to their worldview to be worthy of staying in their lives. My personal experience anyway
Wow. I’m sorry to hear that. Unfortunately, I’m not sure I can help. I was raised by a new agey single mother who never took any interest in my moral or intellectual development, and between her, my dad, and my lousy childhood, there was never any real hope that I would turn out well at all. The adults I grew up around were (and still are) of pretty low character. My experiences at the handful of nondenominational churches we went to (briefly) were enough to underwhelm me. I discovered the “New Atheists” in my mid teens, around 2006-7, right when they were getting popular. All of that coupled with the TV/Hollywood representation of Christians being hateful bigots, led me to be pretty hateful and bigoted myself.
In the end, I sort of just lost interest in the rage and feelings of superiority that I’d had. There wasn’t a great revelation. After discovering Jordan Peterson, I gave myself permission to start exploring Western religious traditions, and came to appreciate them like I never had before.
The thing is, nobody but me could have changed my mind. I’m very hard-headed. A card could be a nice gesture, just to show that you’re thinking of her. Don’t make it overtly religious, though. That kind of thing could set her off. It would have done that to me. It looks like I’m maybe one year older than your daughter, but I never really related well to people my age anyway.
I wish you all the best, though. Just be patient. Don’t let her walk all over you, though.
Thanks, it was when I stopped letting her walk on me that the rage came out. My plan was a generic holiday season card, like a snowflake or something. Anything could set her off, it was like walking on eggshells. I am hoping life experience will mellow her out.
I had a challenging childhood to put it lightly and my husband says I was the pick of the litter because I somehow wound up pretty sane. When my daughter was really going over the edge I saw a therapist who told me this is common with daughters of strong mothers. They somehow feel they need to compete. The therapist told me to just agree with her to keep the peace. I contemplated that and realized I just cannot lie and say I agree with something I do not. It is not who I am.
Hm. Sounds like a crummy therapist. You already seem to know what feels right to do, though. Give your daughter some space to figure herself out, be patient, and let her decide when to reach out. That’s what I’d suggest.
I hope it all works out for you guys.
Thx
Never too late to adopt
Funny you say that. There are young adults my kids' age who are like kids to me. They appreciate me as I am, one is an atheist LOL.
It boils down to respect. My husband was an atheist and I'm a religious Jew. In 30 years this has NEVER led to conflict in our relationship. And we've never hid our thoughts on the subject. It's not something we have to tiptoe around. We've had a lot of deep conversations and we've never gotten frustrated or fought over it.
It works because he loves and respects me. My faith is part of me and he loves that too. I love and respect him. Until recently, I've always been in awe that he has the personal strength and resolution to tackle life without faith. (He did find his limit in that area a few years ago. Now he has faith, but he came to that on his own. I didn't nag him or debate him into it.)
And that's your daughter's problem. It's not that she's lost her faith. It's that she's lost respect for you as a person. I can guess that she's lost a lot of respect for her fellow human beings in many other ways. Respect for political differences. Respect for lifestyle choices.
People can grow. They can temper themselves and mellow with time and become respectful.
But respect MUST be a two-way street. If you don't respect her journey, then she won't be able to respect yours.
One of the hardest parts of being a parent for me was learning to respect my own children once they were grown. Gd entrusted me with these two beautiful souls and made me responsible for them... for eighteen years. After that, it became HIS job to teach and guide them. Not MINE. And I had to accept that and not interfere with His parenting.
When we were first married, I was praying for my husband to find faith one night (because in the beginning I didn't have full respect for him and - although I didn't nag - I did hurt that he didn't have faith.) I literally heard a stern, powerful male voice growl into my right ear. "MY relationship with MY son is none of your business!"
I had the distinct feeling that I'd been a very bad girl. After that moment I had total respect for my husband and - once they were grown - my children. (When I think about it, that moment probably saved my entire marriage. That lesson bled over into every aspect of the relationship.) It's my job to live by example. It's my job to love them while they're working it out and to honestly answer questions when they come to me, and to allow them to talk it out when they're feeling the faint call to Him and don't understand it.
It's NOT my job to parent these grown people and to force them to 'see the light.' That is their Father's job. He has a plan for them and I need to truly have faith in that.
We have free will and we can truly jack up His plans when we put our minds to it. I know that others hurt my relationship with Him when I was young by relentlessly pushing and how hard it was to find my way back home because of it.
I never, ever, criticized or directed her adult decisions even if I disagree as for me that is a matter of respect. She moved in with her boyfriend and I sent a housewarming gift. She went full SJW and cut off her older brother. She grandstanded about how awful we were at my mother's funeral. Totally nuts, but when she asked me to change who I am I told her that we raised her to be tolerant and we don't tell other people who to live. I would never do that to her and expect her to not do that to me. She even went to my childhood best friend to try to get her to intervene on her side and my friend told her that unless she could talk to us face to face she didn't want to hear about it. We only ever got nasty emails.
I am, by nature, very live and let live. My prayers have all been that through her experiences she can learn whatever she is meant to in her time on earth.
If she has lost respect for us, it is one way. She would tell me what she thinks I think and not allow me to disagree as if I were a cartoon person. It was so nuts I would ask myself if she had met me. I have enough self doubt and self criticism that I turned to friends I knew would tell me if I was full of shit. All of them told me she was nuts. I don't know if she will stay nuts or not, I miss her.
I believe you. She's lost all sense of respect for her fellow human beings to the cult. smh
This insanity on the left truly is evil. When I read their rantings on Twitter my jaw drops. They have NO grasp of reality.
I kind of get it when a kid is raised by lefty parents and indoctrinated into the lefty cult by the schools, but it does upset the hell out of me when a kid that was raised better falls into it. You think that you can 'bulletproof' your kids by raising them with the truth and it's stunning that they can go completely off the rails like that when they have that foundation. Sadly, you are NOT the only one going through this. I've had many friends who've lost their children to this cult and I'll never comprehend it.
My own children went off the rails in different ways, but they had to go, fight, fail, learn, and come back to us on their own. And I was insane with worry the entire time! I've met enough fucked up 40-60 year olds to know that there's no guarantee that they're going to come out on the other side. smh
I think all we can really do is pray, read and reread the Prodigal Son, hope, and have our arms open when they do decide to walk through the door.
Please know you're NOT alone in this. Not by far.
Dear Lord, we MUST take our educational system back. That's the root of the problem. smh
Aww thanks, she was homeschooled, but went to college. The internet really messed her up, she got into all kinds of gender confusion there. She now considers some of our views inherently abusive.
UG!
I homeschooled mine until highschool. A year after they started, my daughter was a mess. We went through two years of hell, then she REALLY went off the rails. My husband was deployed and she lost it so bad I worried that she was going to get herself killed. I shipped her off to her aunt's in another state for a few months in the hopes that she was just rebelling against ME. She adored her aunt and I thought she'd behave for her.
WRONG!! Three months later and my sister called me hysterical. Both my daughter AND my niece had gone off the deep end. Running away at night. Boys. Drugs.
I told her to hang on.
Two weeks later 'daddy' came home from Afghanistan.
My sister put my daughter on a plane home, then shipped HER daughter to her father's house.
The men saved the girls.
My husband picked our hungover child up at the airport. He'd had security go with him to the airplane door. The five of the men marched the little lady out to the truck as one unit.
When they got home, he had her stand at the front door and strip down to her undies and remove all of her piercings. He passed the garbage bag of goods to me and said, "Go through it and make sure there's nothing valuable then throw the rest away." He gave her a t-shirt, sweats, socks, and tennis shoes. Then off to the gym they went. By the time they got home, she was too exhausted to aruge. She ate some dinner then went to bed and passed out.
And that was her life for the next six months. She went to the gym with daddy, went to work with daddy, ran errands in the office, wrote essays for daddy, read books on honor, leadership, and biographies on great military leaders, ate lunch with daddy, went to the gym again after work, ate dinner with daddy, then slept.
She told us later that two of her 'friends' showed up to 'rescue' her one night. She was so exhausted she was just pissed. "I'm freaking tired and I've got to get up at five AM! Leave me the hell ALONE!!" She said that it didn't even occur to her that she could've run away that night until weeks later.
She had other issues later, but nothing horrible. Some poor life choices. A very short marriage that left her a single mother. She was able to learn, grow, and now she's in a great position.
I'm no fool. I lucked out by the grace of God.
The thing that makes me sick is that I couldn't do anything for her. I had no choice but to surrender her to her fathers. (Both the earthly one and her heavenly one.)
Sadly, your child may have a longer journey to find her way back to you. I'm so sorry. I do know your sadness, your fear for her, and your pain. More than you realize.
Yeah I don’t get it. I’m an atheist too and I just scroll past.
Yeah man for sure. I just don’t really see how my lack of belief is relevant most of the time.
Uh, “very rare”? You have literally NO IDEA how many atheists just scroll by, because, busy definition, they are not saying anything.
You might be dealing with a liberal atheist if someone is trying to force their views on you.
Seconded in my experience, atheists are often very loud and proud and smug
I found as I realized I was conservative, I lost all animosity towards conservative christians.
I've been more bothered by Christians trying to spread their message than Atheists, not that I really care because I just fuckoff if I dont want to have a conversation. Also lots of people on here get pretty militant with their Christianity (but ai guess I would as well if media and the state tried to destroy my religion)
Nothing wrong with trying to spread your beliefs as long as u fuckoff when its not wanted
Wasnt meaning militant literally, was more meaning being aggressive about it
Nice clock Mohammad, very cool.
It's not very rare at all. I've never seen athiests push their belief.
The obnoxious in every group are more visible. When they are not pushy, you never even know they are atheists unless they are close friends
Both sides equally pushy/not pushy. Christians dont see that Christians are doing it and vice verca.
Havent really met any edgy atheists irl yet, most atheist I've met just dont believe in God, they dont go around try to convert people
Ive met many who sneer, make backhanded comments, and treat religious people like retards.
Unless those religious people are muslims, at which point the athiests cant help but celebrate and blow them immediately.
I have, my daughter and her boyfriend were pretty obnoxious. I guess since she wasn't born yet when I was not religious she would not realize I had not only heard it all before, I had been there. I just ignored it, I used to be young and remember what it was like when I thought I knew everything. At the same time she tells me how awful I am she doesn't even realize one very close friend of mine is also an atheist. He is respectful so we get along great.
It's not so much that atheists push their beliefs, it's that they mock, belittle, and sneer at believers. And there's a LOT of that.
But there are plenty of religious folks who nag, lecture, and relentlessly push their beliefs on others and that's just as destructive.
As a preacher, I wonder if this whole Dem/Media/Propaganda thing makes any Atheists wonder if Satan could be doing the same thing to them that the media and Dems are doing to their followers.
Each man has to come to his own conclusions.
My husband saw enough to believe in evil long before he recognized his Father.
Agreed. 100%.
Although I may not believe in God, I believe in and live by most teachings in the Bible and in scripture. Just how I was raised.
That’s a normal and decent approach.
When atheists mock and attack believers, I can’t help but wonder- what harm is done by a believer who prays? Why would it matter to an atheist? No harm, even if the prayers were for the downfall of the non-believer. Because prayer “doesn’t work”.
Same. And totally agree.
I've noticed this as a general theme for atheists everywhere I go on the internet, especially on YouTube. They never want to actually discuss anything either, just mock
I’ve seen that too. I expect that in places like YouTube and twitter. I always thought atheist and Christian conservatives would get along in a forum like TDW, seeing as how conservatives are attacked snd slandered snd libeled into silence everywhere.
Am Atheist/Agnostic. Better dead than red, even if I’m not so certain there will be anything afterwards. Would rather face non-existence than the real world hell that is the alternative.
Definitely shills! They can't help themselves.
Exactly this.
Agreed.
Lets forget that the bolshewiks were mostly jews
The leadership for sure
In all honesty I think most of us probably get along fine, but it's hard to know who believes what if people don't announce it. For instance, I'd call myself an atheist but don't wear it as a badge.
It's because many "Atheists" are actually Anti-Theists, God Haters. They chafe under Authority because Daddy didn't let them run roughshod over the house rules when they were kids, and God is nothing but Daddy's Daddy taken to the infinite extreme. If they realize that Daddy was right all along, they might stop with their irrational anger at someone who they claim doesn't even exist, but until then they're always going to knee-jerk reply "Son of Man BAD!"
Had to stop and comment here.
In keeping with the thread, atheists who go out of their way to be asses are unhelpful at best.
That being said, many atheists ARE anti-faith. Many (myself included) have had/seen their families torn apart by people who put blind faith in something, and then demanding that their loved ones follow suit.
-Lives lost. -Relationships destroyed. -People living in fear for their loved ones. Afraid that they will suffer for eternity etc etc.
Sorry, I don’t buy that as healthy behavior.
Sorry, people aren’t convinced by the same things you are, whatever they happen to be, regardless of their usefulness in your life.
You ARE correct that it does not make sense to hate on something they claim does not exist. - It doesn’t -
It does make sense to attack the concepts of faith and belief.
Just like with leftists, it’s all harmony and roses until someone says “sorry, I just don’t experience or see things that way”
That being said... OP is right that people who go around to “asking for prayers” threads just to be dicks are being generally awful and unhelpful.
MAGA on. Trump 2020
You are absolutely correct on the definition of faith.
And this IS the definition that I am talking about.
There are plenty of reasons someone might be convinced about something, be it politics or religion or otherwise.
The danger is in looking at what you consider evidence and how you might expect that to inform someone.
As i probably should have said this in my original post, This is not an attack on believers.
This is a warning that taking something personally convincing (personal experience and holy book in this case), and expecting that this should suffice for others, is dangerous.
There are many religions who have conviction in their lives, hope and expectations. These in and of themselves are not innately bad.
Personal experience and inspired writings are claims made in good faith by many people, in many traditions. This is also fine.
The danger is when this personal conviction is mistaken for absolute truth in what the convictions are about. (Again, not saying this is what you are doing, just that this is the danger with faith. Yes, this means atheists fall in this too cough dawkins cough)
My original point is that:
I disagree with the painting of the opposition as irrational angst (even when they act like it).
There are legitimate concerns when discussing faith as a virtue. All sides can fall to it, but I targeted the post at theism in general because religion are the ones who promote faith itself as something to want. This is seeking conviction over substance. That’s the unhealthy bit.
That being said, I have no way of knowing how you live your life, or what you think, etc. so these critiques are an attack on the concepts in general, not anyone or any brand in particular.
Thanks for the comment and thanks for not telling me to fuck myself. I genuinely enjoy these things :D
Cheers!
You can see video evidence of people cheating the election, you cant see video evidence of God as far as I know. I dont believe there was cheating because Trump says it was. Even if he said it wasnt fraud, I'd still say it was based on the enormous amount of irrefutable evidence
'Logical' and theological proofs arent really proof tho. You have video evidence of voter fraud, not video evidence of God
Well that is a strange notion of faith. Although I am no expert in Christianity (although I do have a masters in theology), I am not particularly aware of a religion that calls for "blind faith".
I can speak for the religion I am most familiar with, which is Judaism, and it most definitely does not call for blind faith in a manner which can cause one harm.
In fact one is supposed to make all humanely efforts possible to achieve a virtuous goal, whether that is taking medication for sickness, learning a trade or educating oneself to earn a living etc. Once one has done all thy can, then they need to half faith.
Additionally, having faith that everything G-d does is for the best, does not necessarily mean that we will appreciate the immediate outcome. G-d has a longer term vision than we can see, and that is where faith is required.
However, there is no situation where having faith should cause harm, as one is required to do their part regardless.
Now what is a possibility, is some people choose to do things for their own selfish reasons (sometimes not even realizing it themselves), while using "Faith" as an excuse. That is not "faith", that is laziness.
Every thinking person puts faith in something. It is either faith in G-d that he is the creator, or faith that. Or faith in the hypothesis of the Big Bang Theory
Interesting, my parents cut me off when I joined a church. My daughter cut us off when she left (no, I do not believe in hell and we supported 100% her decision to live as she chose and never, ever forced church.) Truly it is intolerance that is the problem, not religion or lack of it. That said I have met the people you are describing and I understand where you are coming from. My theology doesn't even believe in hell or that we have to convert in this life so we tend to be a patient bunch. There are idiots in every group.
Well, that is interesting. I wonder how the person whose faith is being attacked feels.
I just dont believe in God, so cant really practice religion at that point. I do live by a lot of moral codes from different religions tho. Just because I dont believe Gods exist doesnt mean the tectures are all bullshit. Many good lessons etc to be learned
I belong to a Christian denomination and don't really believe in Buddha, but study Buddhism and try to adopt some of the practices as I find them useful. I think it is a similar concept in that we try to find philosophies that make the world a better place
However, there are some rare ones like Jordan Peterson and Stefan Molyneux that are atheist but support Christians.
Curious about calling JP atheist?
Not sure if you mean it this way or not, but I see a ton of confusion around these two terms so I’ll clarify just in case, if I interpreted your post wrong then maybe this will help random browsers.
Gnostic/Agnostic
Theist/Atheist
Are two entirely different sets of labels that talk about two entirely different sets of ideas.
Gnostic: Claim about knowledge - “I believe that x can be proven to be true”.
Agnostic: Claim about knowledge - “I believe that x cannot be proven true or false”
Theist: Claim about belief in God(s) - “I believe in God(s)”
Atheist: Claim about belief in god(s) - “I do not believe in god(s)”
You can mix and match from the two sets.
Gnostic Theist: I believe in God and I believe God can be proven to be real.
Agnostic Theist: I believe in God and I believe God’s existence is something cannot be proven one way or another.
Etc Etc.
MAGA on!
Agnostic is not atheist for starters. But he also has an entire series about the Bible and consistently argues in favor of religion, specifically when he debates in favor of religion against atheists like Sam Harris. He doesn’t like the question “Do you believe in God” and has an interesting talk about it, but he seems to follow the teachings of Christ closely and argues like a Christian. None of this suggests to me that he’s atheist, and likely not agnostic either.
Well put pede! One thing I’d like to add is Peterson talks at one point about the story of Jacob wrestling with God that I found super interesting. Essentially he says it’s not about just blindly believing in God, it’s about wrestling with or contemplating with the concepts.
I agree with a fair amount of what you say, but Catholicism's "sin" isn't saying that the Bible is real, not at all. It's that they took on pagan traditions and "laws of men" by the mandates of Constantine, and established a hierarchy of men as false intercessors between the laity and God. Both of which are strictly forbidden by God Himself. I know you don't believe so I don't blame you for trying to figure it out your own way, trust me I've been there. But it's not the "believing that it's real" part that does the damage.
I sort of entered religion this way, but when I prayed and, to my shock, got definitive answers a few times, everything changed for me. I see organized religion a bit differently as have a community has huge benefits. Just one is hearing different viewpoints of various teachings. Another big one is being able to band together to help people on a large scale. We try to prevent people from falling through cracks alone. I am still not a literalist and cannot grasp why anyone would be. Even if the stories were literal, that level of understanding would have no meaning.
Listen to his latest video after his illness. He references God’s grace and mercy. I think he felt a higher power when undergoing all he’s been through the last year plus. It was really uplifting to hear.
I noticed that too. Gave me chills, the good kind 🙏
And yet he has been the same wonderful guy the whole time. We are here to learn and evolve. My faith has helped me beyond measure, but I was not a horrible person before, just in a different part of my learning. I think not having always had faith helps me understand other views and not think less of people who look at the world differently, but at the same time I am also happy when people are aided by an increase in faith.
After all of his analysis of the Bible and promoting Christian values, he seems to see Christianity as just a beneficial mythology through the lens of evolutionary biology. Deep down he is an atheist that is seeking Christianity but is currently bound in the material plane.
He’s often explains God in a way such that he doesn’t leave secular folks behind, but I highly doubt he’d ever describe himself as atheist. In fact he often seems to lean towards that of a spiritually minded person. As noted above too, he seems to have a very spiritual reaction to his recent illness.
I am one of those types myself.
In fairness I don't want to discuss anything with commies, just mock them, humiliate them, and crush them.
Hate comes in all forms from all sides. Stay strong pede.
I’ll admit I got a little frustrated at one atheist earlier, but I’m not really mad at them. All I want is respect. And agreed, if I see any Christian harassing an atheist in the same manner, then that Christian is not better. America is founded on people having the freedom to think what they want.
My post was meant to encourage you knowing that you will see hate towards Christians even on this website of people on “your side”.
Keep your chin up.
Fellow Christian here. I've had some pretty intense back and forth with atheists here, and I always know when to end it. Remember all the scripture about fools and mockers and pearls before swine and shaking the dust off your feet. It's okay to walk away.
Check for accounts made around election time and deport if needed. I don't believe in God but would never get angry at people praying or calling for prayer here.
I'm an atheist and didn't mind the posts, but I dont put it past most atheists based on our history unfortunately :/. Sorry you had to deal with them. Our religious beliefs may not align but I think its great seeing people on here support our President in anyway they see fit. Love seeing us come together around our President. Keep up the prayers!
Amen to that. We have plenty of room here for anyone who loves America and our awesome president!
Argued with a jackass online once, who was angry that Chick-fil-a was "Forcing their beliefs on him" because he couldn't buy their food on Sunday.
This is the mentality of the Petulant. That everything revolves around THEM.
They forget throughout history a majority of humans believed in a God. Today, the majority of the USA believes in Christianity and the plurality of the world as well.
Classy post.
I’m atheist/agnostic and I will say atheists are some of the most miserable people in the world, usually using their non belief of religion to think their are superior in intelligence or whatever, and that they think they are morally superior for some reason.
Even though I am a non believer, I usually tend to look at people more negatively if they tell me they also are an atheist. Of course if they show me they can be not an asshole I will like them, but I find that something like 4 out of 5 atheists are huge faggots.
Pretentious ass holes who can't prove or disprove something acting like all knowing arborators of truth. Sadly both sides used to be pretty vitriolic but over the last 20 years only the atheist's make complete fools of themselves daily. I, like so many others can't prove or disprove anything and I'm not the guy willing to tell other people how to live their lives.
Go to the new section and it really is a bunch of posts asking how they can convince their parents to not go to church. Pathetic.
I've been a non-beliver for my whole life, and I've said a lot of prayers over the last few months...for the President, for safety, for justice.
I look at prayer as a form of meditation as it fills your mind with positive thoughts and helps you align with a greater purpose. You can use it as a way to create long term goals for yourself and a way to sustain a healthy subconsciousness.
There's so much science doesn't understand with regard to human consciousness and the power of thought - it's crazy that there's so many atheists out there that are just as zealous as religious fundamentalists with their treatment of people that hold different beliefs.
There's a lot of good that comes from religion, for some reason modern atheists are blind to the good and only see the bad. It's really sad because there's so many advantages to training your mind (spirit) in many different ways that just doesn't exist in nihilistic perspectives .
Exactly this. Very well said.
I think it is cool that you pray for the President. I believe it makes people more at peace with themselves when they can focus on someone else for a little bit.
Agree..move along but let others pray if they want to. Thank You Pede and God Bless!
The most loving thing I can do for anyone is tell them of the gospel.
God bless, pede
Yeah man. This is like the last place on Earth with even a pretense of religious freedom. We have to protect it every day, every time. Never apologize for your faith.
Atheist are really only atheists when they are attacking someone else's beliefs.
As soon as atheists are put on the defensive, they become agnostics.
Hard disagree. You can be agnostic & theist, agnostic & atheist, gnostic & theist, gnostic & atheist.
Gnostic/Agnostic is a position on knowledge.
Theist/Atheist is a position on belief.
Gnostic/Agnostic: the truth of a claim is knowable/unknowable.
Theist/Atheist: I do/do not believe
MAGA on!
I agree with your definitions but often during theistic/atheistic debates, theists have their battle lines drawn fairly clearly based off of whatever their theistic doctrine is and are always theists.
Atheists, will take an atheist position that says there is no god when they are dismantling theism and then when they are cross-examined, will adopt an agnostic position of "not-knowing" anything that can't be explained by science.
In other words, they should always be "agnostic" because they don't know, but then they have an opportunity to attack theism, atheist will abandon all pretenses of not knowing in favor of saying there is no god.
Fair enough. Carry on!
Same to you, MAGA on!
It's called "Live and let live". Parents used to teach that to their kids. Defensiveness is always sus to me. Why is someone else's praying, worth getting panties in a bunch?
Those gotta be cucks infiltrating from Reddit.
I actually see more posts like these: https://thedonald.win/p/11QRov3rQS/communisnts-or-should-i-say-athe/
How about we quit trying to divide on each other, we are here to MAGA
I totally agree, the guy on your example post was out of line, and an example of someone being aggressive from the other direction.
If that's how you feel about it then I'll pray for you :P
But haha yeah I'm not a conventional Christian and I've had that said to me occasionally too. There's only been a few cases where I felt it was truly meant to be condescending, but in any case don't take it personally. Most Christians say it with care in their heart.
There are no atheists. There are only theists, anti-theists, or agnostics. The people giving Christians a hard time are anti-theists. The people who don't believe and are not giving Christians a hard time are agnostics.
Atheists don't exist. What people who claim to be atheists are is usually agnostic or sometimes an anti-theist. Think about it. The definition of an atheist is the same as agnostic in most atheist's minds. They say "I don't believe in God, therefore I'm an atheist". Not so. You may be an agnostic or an anti-theist depending on any declarations you make. An agnostic refuses to make a declaration one way or another. A declarative statement would be there is no God(s), or there is a God(s). "I don't know" makes no declaration about God(s) and is, therefore, uncommitted speech. I ask people who identify as atheists to commit and then we know if they are anti-theist or not. Did you know that a good amount of people who say they are atheists believe in God? They think not believing in religion means they are atheists. It's a common mistake.
You're an anti-theist. Self-identified. I have no problem with how you identify or what declarations you make. My issue is with using the English language correctly. I'm a student of ontology, a former agnostic, and just want to define things within the laws of language. The word "atheist" is too broadly defined by people and has no defined descriptor. It's become a meaningless word by encompassing too many meanings.
They follow the laws of language.
There are no people who don’t believe in god? Hard disagree there. Sample size of 1.
Gnostic/Agnostic - about knowledge
Theist/Atheist - about belief(s) in god(s)
These sets are about different concepts, and you can mix and match labels from each set. Ex: gnostic theist & agnostic atheist are two of the combinations.
Gnostic theist says: I believe in God and I believe that God can be proven to be real.
Agnostic Atheist says: I do not believe in god and believe that god’s existence can’t be proven one way or another.
MAGA on. TRUMP 2020
No. What happens when you go down that route is the same as opening up genders to debate. Suddenly, we have a long list of people claiming to be this or that when in fact there are only two genders. Same with theists/anti-theists. Agnostics just won't tell you which one they are and they might be pagan or have pagan beliefs but pagans don't have an all-knowing, all-powerful God.
No. The terms are about two entirely different things, and always have been.
The position on knowledge that gnostic/agnostic describes is innately different than a claim about belief in god.
Protagoras in ancient greece has an early example of agnosticism.
Agnosticism exists but it's uncommitted speech. It makes no declaration on the existence of God(s) but rather is a statement on the person's beliefs. The target is different. Saying I believe in God or I don't believe in God can be a committed speech and can be a statement about God but it can instead be a statement about belief (self). What are we talking about here? God or someone's belief?
This is a really great point. Agnosticism just denotes that one doesn't take a side on the question of: "Is there a God or gods?" Theists say yes, anti-theists say no (and usually are haughty about their own perceived intellectual superiority), and agnostics say "I think the premise of the question is flawed", yet they still fall on a spectrum of religion to irreligion, meaning that there can be religious agnostics and irreligious agnostics.
Atheism is a religion of itself kindoff, with 'scriptures' etc. You worship Man instead of God basically
Bingo! Atheism is a religion of man.
Yes, and they teach you that you should be nice to eachother without the threath of hellfire, atleast the Atheist organization in Norway (I did my confirmation that way)
Lots of focus on being comfortable with oneself and being nice to others
Most atheists I've interacted with were nasty self bloviating people.
Atheist here, my philosophy is as follows; I don't care what age you are, what color your skin is, what you have in your pants, what you think you SHOULD have in your pants, who you go to bed with at night, what God you pray to, or what you decide to put in your system. As long as you're not harming others (w/o their consent) or kids, do what you want and let me do the same.
With that said, keep the prayer posts coming if that's y'all's cup of tea and fuck the haters.
Well said...God bless you....and may God bless my President Donald J Trump and the USA....
Not gonna lie. I've been going to church more because I see so much prayer and christianity on here. It feels great being with like minded people.
I was raised atheist, become agnostic because I found atheisms ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY almost religious, and now believe an afterlife and soul exist because of my research into near death experiences. But not in a traditionally religious way, more in a 'I believe science will one day prove all this true' kind of way.
I absolutely adore the Western world, enlightenment values, and the old school right leaning classic liberalism that help found it all. Christianity was a key part of the creation of the West and the USA.
I'll take Western world compatible Christianity over WOKE political religion every time.
Just throwing it out there, by your own description you would be an agnostic atheist.
Not that I disagree with labeling yourself as agnostic when talking to others... I live in an environment where saying “sorry, i don’t believe” gets me nothing but scorn.
MAGA on!
simply young in their walks :) we forgive them! good post
They're not pedes, there cucks...
Real pedes dont give a sh!t who you pray to...
as long as you MAGA!!
Not Christian but...openminded and believe in a great force and the afterlife here - I will defend to the death your right to assemble, pray and worship accordingly. Totally agree with you. Ignore the haters.
Remember this, you may not agree with religion. I don't either.
But Christianity has a LOT to claim credit for in shaping our culture. I am a non-believing supporter of Christians.
If anyones gonna have a religiin, it better be Christianity. We don't want to surrounded by muslim betrayers, stick up for your Christian friends.
Funny how many people that believe they're smart enough to not "believe in fairytales" are also too dumb to understand people don't pray because they expect an old man with a beard to come down and smite bad people. And too dumb to understand the bible isn't to be taken literally but allegorically.
Those people who spew vitriol and hatred at believers are not atheists. They are anti-theist and have a similar reaction to faith that leftists have to individualism.
I don’t disagree entirely with what you’ve said, (here comes the but) BUT
Faith is all about individualism until someone in the community says “sorry I don’t believe in that, no matter what I do, I just am not convinced.”
Seen too many families torn apart because a mom/dad are so concerned over their children’s eternal fate that they drive them away in real life.
Seen too many family members have blind faith in something and then die of something that was treatable, leaving behind children who are now without a parent.
Sorry, faith (as something that is not falsifiable) is threatened by any claim to the contrary. Don’t think the same? You are a threat.
It’s easy to preach tolerance when you don’t interact with someone in real life, but I have yet to meet a religious person who will see someone for what they do and not for what they claim to think.
Cheers and MAGA on. It is cool that people who disagree on so many things can still find common ground.
Jewish Pede here. The majority of the country is Christian, especially the majority of the right. Leave me alone to practice my faith in peace with equal rights and protections, and don't be TOO in your face obnoxious with mangers and crosses fucking everywhere in public life...and we're good. That's it. That's all I ask. I accept that you're the majority and will, even should, have according cultural standing.
God bless you. Let's make this country that city on a hill again.
Religiosity is the right's most exploitable rift.
You know how Christians rightfully get upset when progressives mock or belittle their beliefs? Its the same thing from Christians towards nonbelievers too and vice versa. What’s required is empathy for each other.
Weird, I know a couple of them and they'd never say anything other than "Believe what you want to believe." We never talk about it other than the corruption in organized religion.
If people don't want to piss off atheists, shit like https://thedonald.win/p/GIqCmeDp/funny-but-its-true-/c/ shouldn't be posted or stickied.
Thank you for this post. I've noticed this behavior recently too. I'm a Christian, and to my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ: I'm thankful to have an online community where we can encourage one another and speak freely. To God be the glory.
And for those of you not Christians, I'm also thankful to have you here. God is good, my friends. And I'd love for y'all to join in the discussion in hopes you'd walk away with something you didn't know or consider before. When you accept Jesus, He will change you from the inside out. It's wonderful. He is very real and very alive.
We aren't enemies. I have no hatred in my heart towards you guys. And I know most of you have no resentment in your heart towards Christians either. For those that do, let's all get along.
agreed. I hope i didn’t come across as attacking all atheists. That wasn’t my intent. I know most are decent folk. It’s just a recent rash of some I’ve seen that have been rather disrespectful.
It's probably Dem Trolls trying to DIVIDE US........
Atheist pede here. Just came to say amen.
We were founded on freedom of religion. IMHO that includes those electing to have none. Disrespect of divine beliefs has no place here in 'Murica, unless your "religion" is committing crimes cough cults cough .
I would technically be classified as a Heretic, but I'm pretty sure Jesus of Nazareth, Siddhartha Guatama, Galileo, and Joan of Arc to name a few, were considered ones too.
I've known some good Christians and some good Atheists. I've also known some very oppressive Christians who cant tolerate people disagreeing with them, and some fedora wearing Atheists who believe they're on a crusade to enlighten the masses. I don't judge anyone based on any of those experiences. The number of good ones I know far outnumber the number of toxic ones.
I'd like to think that when the shit hits the fan, regardless of what we all believe, we stand together as one. Whether it's the seventh seal breaking and the trumpets signalling the end of days, or the corruption at the heart of our country threatening to destroy what several hundred years have built. If we can't stand as one, despite our differences, then chances are we won't stand at all.
Religious freedom matters!!!!
I'm an atheist. And I'm fine with Christians. (by the way, it's called "Christmas")
Christians don't call me a racist every day of the week (for the last forty years--the "race card" is by no means a new thing). Christians don't block traffic or set parts of my hometown on fire. Christians don't fly 747's into buildings.
Christianity is not dangerous.
Liberals and Islam are.
Agnostic here. Nothing but love for the Christians and Jews who built this house in which we live. I'll do what I can to maintain and improve it before I leave. What more can any of us do?
I consider myself non-religious agnostic. But anytime a religious person says a prayer for me, I’m grateful to them. It’s a kindness. It’s nice knowing that they are thinking of you. I appreciate it.