will ever put a gun to your head and force you to believe. I’m shocked by how angry and hateful atheists get at their fellow pedes who bring up prayer or faith. You are acting exactly like liberals, going in to a post just to hate-reply. It’s sad. All we are doing is praying snd encouraging others to pray. If you don’t want to, that’s fine. There’s no need to harass those who want to. We are all on the same team here.
Where i used to work, a group of people got together by the flagpole every day at lunch. They didn’t demand anyone join them. They didn’t force the company to make prayer mandatory. They just got together and prayed, and everyone else moved on about their day.
There’s no need for the infighting. God bless
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I've noticed this as a general theme for atheists everywhere I go on the internet, especially on YouTube. They never want to actually discuss anything either, just mock
I’ve seen that too. I expect that in places like YouTube and twitter. I always thought atheist and Christian conservatives would get along in a forum like TDW, seeing as how conservatives are attacked snd slandered snd libeled into silence everywhere.
Am Atheist/Agnostic. Better dead than red, even if I’m not so certain there will be anything afterwards. Would rather face non-existence than the real world hell that is the alternative.
Definitely shills! They can't help themselves.
Exactly this.
Agreed.
Lets forget that the bolshewiks were mostly jews
The leadership for sure
In all honesty I think most of us probably get along fine, but it's hard to know who believes what if people don't announce it. For instance, I'd call myself an atheist but don't wear it as a badge.
It's because many "Atheists" are actually Anti-Theists, God Haters. They chafe under Authority because Daddy didn't let them run roughshod over the house rules when they were kids, and God is nothing but Daddy's Daddy taken to the infinite extreme. If they realize that Daddy was right all along, they might stop with their irrational anger at someone who they claim doesn't even exist, but until then they're always going to knee-jerk reply "Son of Man BAD!"
Had to stop and comment here.
In keeping with the thread, atheists who go out of their way to be asses are unhelpful at best.
That being said, many atheists ARE anti-faith. Many (myself included) have had/seen their families torn apart by people who put blind faith in something, and then demanding that their loved ones follow suit.
-Lives lost. -Relationships destroyed. -People living in fear for their loved ones. Afraid that they will suffer for eternity etc etc.
Sorry, I don’t buy that as healthy behavior.
Sorry, people aren’t convinced by the same things you are, whatever they happen to be, regardless of their usefulness in your life.
You ARE correct that it does not make sense to hate on something they claim does not exist. - It doesn’t -
It does make sense to attack the concepts of faith and belief.
Just like with leftists, it’s all harmony and roses until someone says “sorry, I just don’t experience or see things that way”
That being said... OP is right that people who go around to “asking for prayers” threads just to be dicks are being generally awful and unhelpful.
MAGA on. Trump 2020
You are absolutely correct on the definition of faith.
And this IS the definition that I am talking about.
There are plenty of reasons someone might be convinced about something, be it politics or religion or otherwise.
The danger is in looking at what you consider evidence and how you might expect that to inform someone.
As i probably should have said this in my original post, This is not an attack on believers.
This is a warning that taking something personally convincing (personal experience and holy book in this case), and expecting that this should suffice for others, is dangerous.
There are many religions who have conviction in their lives, hope and expectations. These in and of themselves are not innately bad.
Personal experience and inspired writings are claims made in good faith by many people, in many traditions. This is also fine.
The danger is when this personal conviction is mistaken for absolute truth in what the convictions are about. (Again, not saying this is what you are doing, just that this is the danger with faith. Yes, this means atheists fall in this too cough dawkins cough)
My original point is that:
I disagree with the painting of the opposition as irrational angst (even when they act like it).
There are legitimate concerns when discussing faith as a virtue. All sides can fall to it, but I targeted the post at theism in general because religion are the ones who promote faith itself as something to want. This is seeking conviction over substance. That’s the unhealthy bit.
That being said, I have no way of knowing how you live your life, or what you think, etc. so these critiques are an attack on the concepts in general, not anyone or any brand in particular.
Thanks for the comment and thanks for not telling me to fuck myself. I genuinely enjoy these things :D
Cheers!
You can see video evidence of people cheating the election, you cant see video evidence of God as far as I know. I dont believe there was cheating because Trump says it was. Even if he said it wasnt fraud, I'd still say it was based on the enormous amount of irrefutable evidence
Well that is a strange notion of faith. Although I am no expert in Christianity (although I do have a masters in theology), I am not particularly aware of a religion that calls for "blind faith".
I can speak for the religion I am most familiar with, which is Judaism, and it most definitely does not call for blind faith in a manner which can cause one harm.
In fact one is supposed to make all humanely efforts possible to achieve a virtuous goal, whether that is taking medication for sickness, learning a trade or educating oneself to earn a living etc. Once one has done all thy can, then they need to half faith.
Additionally, having faith that everything G-d does is for the best, does not necessarily mean that we will appreciate the immediate outcome. G-d has a longer term vision than we can see, and that is where faith is required.
However, there is no situation where having faith should cause harm, as one is required to do their part regardless.
Now what is a possibility, is some people choose to do things for their own selfish reasons (sometimes not even realizing it themselves), while using "Faith" as an excuse. That is not "faith", that is laziness.
Every thinking person puts faith in something. It is either faith in G-d that he is the creator, or faith that. Or faith in the hypothesis of the Big Bang Theory
Interesting, my parents cut me off when I joined a church. My daughter cut us off when she left (no, I do not believe in hell and we supported 100% her decision to live as she chose and never, ever forced church.) Truly it is intolerance that is the problem, not religion or lack of it. That said I have met the people you are describing and I understand where you are coming from. My theology doesn't even believe in hell or that we have to convert in this life so we tend to be a patient bunch. There are idiots in every group.
Well, that is interesting. I wonder how the person whose faith is being attacked feels.
I just dont believe in God, so cant really practice religion at that point. I do live by a lot of moral codes from different religions tho. Just because I dont believe Gods exist doesnt mean the tectures are all bullshit. Many good lessons etc to be learned
I belong to a Christian denomination and don't really believe in Buddha, but study Buddhism and try to adopt some of the practices as I find them useful. I think it is a similar concept in that we try to find philosophies that make the world a better place
However, there are some rare ones like Jordan Peterson and Stefan Molyneux that are atheist but support Christians.
Curious about calling JP atheist?
Agnostic is not atheist for starters. But he also has an entire series about the Bible and consistently argues in favor of religion, specifically when he debates in favor of religion against atheists like Sam Harris. He doesn’t like the question “Do you believe in God” and has an interesting talk about it, but he seems to follow the teachings of Christ closely and argues like a Christian. None of this suggests to me that he’s atheist, and likely not agnostic either.
Listen to his latest video after his illness. He references God’s grace and mercy. I think he felt a higher power when undergoing all he’s been through the last year plus. It was really uplifting to hear.
After all of his analysis of the Bible and promoting Christian values, he seems to see Christianity as just a beneficial mythology through the lens of evolutionary biology. Deep down he is an atheist that is seeking Christianity but is currently bound in the material plane.
He’s often explains God in a way such that he doesn’t leave secular folks behind, but I highly doubt he’d ever describe himself as atheist. In fact he often seems to lean towards that of a spiritually minded person. As noted above too, he seems to have a very spiritual reaction to his recent illness.
I am one of those types myself.
In fairness I don't want to discuss anything with commies, just mock them, humiliate them, and crush them.