will ever put a gun to your head and force you to believe. I’m shocked by how angry and hateful atheists get at their fellow pedes who bring up prayer or faith. You are acting exactly like liberals, going in to a post just to hate-reply. It’s sad. All we are doing is praying snd encouraging others to pray. If you don’t want to, that’s fine. There’s no need to harass those who want to. We are all on the same team here.
Where i used to work, a group of people got together by the flagpole every day at lunch. They didn’t demand anyone join them. They didn’t force the company to make prayer mandatory. They just got together and prayed, and everyone else moved on about their day.
There’s no need for the infighting. God bless
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There are no atheists. There are only theists, anti-theists, or agnostics. The people giving Christians a hard time are anti-theists. The people who don't believe and are not giving Christians a hard time are agnostics.
Atheists don't exist. What people who claim to be atheists are is usually agnostic or sometimes an anti-theist. Think about it. The definition of an atheist is the same as agnostic in most atheist's minds. They say "I don't believe in God, therefore I'm an atheist". Not so. You may be an agnostic or an anti-theist depending on any declarations you make. An agnostic refuses to make a declaration one way or another. A declarative statement would be there is no God(s), or there is a God(s). "I don't know" makes no declaration about God(s) and is, therefore, uncommitted speech. I ask people who identify as atheists to commit and then we know if they are anti-theist or not. Did you know that a good amount of people who say they are atheists believe in God? They think not believing in religion means they are atheists. It's a common mistake.
You're an anti-theist. Self-identified. I have no problem with how you identify or what declarations you make. My issue is with using the English language correctly. I'm a student of ontology, a former agnostic, and just want to define things within the laws of language. The word "atheist" is too broadly defined by people and has no defined descriptor. It's become a meaningless word by encompassing too many meanings.
There are no people who don’t believe in god? Hard disagree there. Sample size of 1.
Gnostic/Agnostic - about knowledge
Theist/Atheist - about belief(s) in god(s)
These sets are about different concepts, and you can mix and match labels from each set. Ex: gnostic theist & agnostic atheist are two of the combinations.
Gnostic theist says: I believe in God and I believe that God can be proven to be real.
Agnostic Atheist says: I do not believe in god and believe that god’s existence can’t be proven one way or another.
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No. What happens when you go down that route is the same as opening up genders to debate. Suddenly, we have a long list of people claiming to be this or that when in fact there are only two genders. Same with theists/anti-theists. Agnostics just won't tell you which one they are and they might be pagan or have pagan beliefs but pagans don't have an all-knowing, all-powerful God.
No. The terms are about two entirely different things, and always have been.
The position on knowledge that gnostic/agnostic describes is innately different than a claim about belief in god.
Protagoras in ancient greece has an early example of agnosticism.
Agnosticism exists but it's uncommitted speech. It makes no declaration on the existence of God(s) but rather is a statement on the person's beliefs. The target is different. Saying I believe in God or I don't believe in God can be a committed speech and can be a statement about God but it can instead be a statement about belief (self). What are we talking about here? God or someone's belief?
This is a really great point. Agnosticism just denotes that one doesn't take a side on the question of: "Is there a God or gods?" Theists say yes, anti-theists say no (and usually are haughty about their own perceived intellectual superiority), and agnostics say "I think the premise of the question is flawed", yet they still fall on a spectrum of religion to irreligion, meaning that there can be religious agnostics and irreligious agnostics.
Atheism is a religion of itself kindoff, with 'scriptures' etc. You worship Man instead of God basically
Bingo! Atheism is a religion of man.
Yes, and they teach you that you should be nice to eachother without the threath of hellfire, atleast the Atheist organization in Norway (I did my confirmation that way)
Lots of focus on being comfortable with oneself and being nice to others
Most atheists I've interacted with were nasty self bloviating people.