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PurestEvil 70 points ago +70 / -0

I work hard, live with minimal expenses (no car, cheap flat, no alcohol, no drugs, no family), have an average wage (C# developer, third year), and accrue ~8000€ per year. Yeah, quasi-slave wages in Germany ftw. I expect a wage increase of 10% if I am "lucky."

And this corrupt, incompetent FUCK has expenses exceeding 50k a month? Just pure abuse of power and nepotism. And his demented piece of shit of a dad, barely tethered in reality, attempts to steal an election and the ENTIRE POWERS THAT BE back him up?

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DickTick 11 points ago +12 / -1

Wait are you saying you only make 8k per year or that you save that much per year?

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Bergen 18 points ago +19 / -1

Minimum income if you work ~36-40 hours/week in germany is ~19k/year + like 15% additional stuff if you have a contract (like holiday pay etc.), makes it 21,5k You pay next to none taxes and you get a lot of benefits/support, ending up living with ~22-25k/year minimum.

In comparision, if you do not work in the netherlands, you get ~1,1k/month, roughly 13k/year (pay 1k back to some health care related stuff, but it's sorta tax) and a lot of benefits, ending up near 14-17k/year depending on support, from insurance to housing/child. Minimum income in the netherlands is similair to germany.

All together it's very doable for someone without work/living on minimum wage, and you have a lot less workhours, and more holidays. It's a minimum for a reason.

I am a Dutch student, I do not borrow any money. Tuition fee is 2k/year. I pay ~5,45% taxes, a little more if i can't deduct everything, but the target is to decuded everything. I work freelance (so i can pinpoint my own income), but i target to make a little under minimum income, so i get maximum in benefits, minimum in taxes, which is around 16,6k/year after cost reduction, which is under 1k taxes (offcially it's mainly to pay healthy care, but it's grouped together in taxes).

I get 3k housing support/year, and 1,3k insurance support/year. I can roughly live off 21,5k/year. Of which 2k is tuition, and 8k is rent (live in amsterdam in a nice place, but it's not cheap), 1,3k insurance (equal to the support), and 1k taxes. So that leaves me to live off 9k/year as student. I spend 6k of that. And i save roughly 3k/year. On bellow minimum wage. If i had no own capital I could get more reductions on stuff like watertax, and municiplity/garbage tax (which i didn't include, it's like 400 bucks/year idk)

It's actually ridiculous because there's no incentive to work/earn more, because all the benefits quickly decrease, and the taxes only increase, i've calculated that for every additional euro i earn, I net benefit like 15-25 cents. While up and till the point where I currently I am, it's between 88-94 cents. The difference suddenly becomes huge.

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No_name_iii 12 points ago +12 / -0

The welfare trap is real. Most people don't bother to calculate the disincentive to earn more, but I think it's something most welfare recipients inherently know.