Come on, man, it's minor code change right before the biggest election of our lives when everyone already has been expecting fraud and the code committer is known Trump hater. And YOU QUESTION THAT? Bigot.
You know, according to the top scientists at the ethnic studies and womxns universities, statistics and a requirement of proof are aspects of whiteness and fundamental to maintaining white supremacy.
The nazis after all had proof the jews were statistically more likely to have more money then the German people prior to the holocaust. Think of that! Math is literally a requirement for genocide.
Yeah, that's the part that really stuck out to me. As someone who's worked in software and system administration for about 20 years, you don't get to just make that call yourself - especially in something so critical.
It has been a banana republic in certain areas, mostly the heavy blue strong holds. There's a reason why Chicago is the way it is, being the kingpin of fraud. And this election, they pretty much just duplicated Chicago. It never gets fixed because why fix something that keeps them in power? And you got a good amount of the population that supports this implicitly and another portion which are demoralized.
It has been a banana republic in certain areas, mostly the heavy blue strong holds.
This is the most damning thing for Georgia governor Brian Kemp. Corruption all throughout deep blue areas... and Georgia. Hey Brian, whose side are you on there, buddy?
He's on Brian's side. Looking out for himself as most do. Unfortunately the self serving politicians ( which is all of them as far as I can tell) never face any repercussions for their actions.
I urge folks to step up and get into local positions to actually get the change or keep what you want from local government.
wouldn't be surprised if he got the same of "witness protection" as epstein. e.g. someone gave him an early christmas present of quikcrete shoes and dropped him off in a caribbean hurricane for an all-expenses paid diving trip.
I hope they will torture him to the point where he spills the beans and right after that his inner demons will take control of him and he slowly descends into madness ...and then spends rest of his miserable life in a padded room sucking his thumb and staring at the wall
The Nintendo Switch runs a proprietary custom OS. However, at least for early revisions, the Switch can be made to run a fairly standard Android build off of an SD card.
Most of these specialized systems run old or very vulnerable software. Just a Gui layer to make it look pretty. I used to service POS/Vending equipment. This was 2014 mind you but there were still systems I ran across running XP, a few using Win ME, and a hospital call center run by a vintage Pentium Pro powered Windows NT system 4.0 NT. Not to mention crusty old proprietary software using IBM 4690 OS.
There are huge three phase motors from prior to WWII that still run pumps and other critical machinery - and they do so at efficiencies in the high 90%'s. You do need to disassemble them and rewind them every couple decades, but there is nothing wrong with something just because it is "old". But whatever. Sometimes keeping that shit around costs more than ripping it out.
I agree that old tech can still be very useful. Carburetors are old tech but work just fine. I have an '81 XJ750 Yamaha Seca and it's still a blast to ride. (Quad carbs to sync!) However what you are comparing are two different things. Some infrastructures (like voting or other control systems) are easily hacked and need to be replaced or reworked. Will it be easy or cheap? No. Necessary? Yes. Once Trump is re-elected infrastructure revitalization needs to be pushed. Nothing is 100% secure but using essentially an android tablet for voting is garbage.
I suppose what I am getting at is that paper ballots are quite secure given the system we have developed (observers from both parties, chain of custody, etc.) over the past two centuries. Tablets and computers as vote tabulation devices make large scale fraud easier and do not intrinsically make voting more secure nor more convenient nor less expensive to administrate. There is, however, no huge pool of money nor contracts for maintaining a system of printed ballots. Whereas there is a huge pool of money and perverse incentives to sell out our republic and hand out contracts to companies to make what was a boring, low profit, business of printing and distributing ballots into a sexy, expensive, and corrupting electronic voting business.
Yep low tech for voting works. I'm all for voter ID and paper ballots. The only other ballots allowed are for military stationed overseas. As far as tech goes I was referring to the bigger picture of if we are going to use these niche systems (for any infrastructure) then we must make them actually useful and reliable.
Kill Chain doc on HBO proved it takes seconds to alter the count and it's impossible to detect. He could have totally done it easily with a flash drive.
Don't believe this guy. He's lying his ass off. Only way to find out would be to get the source code which they will not give up.
Actually we just need either one of the machines, or the raw software running on the machine, and we can reverse engineer the binaries without source code (I do this almost daily for work)
bjjmike69, here's my problem: the electronic vote is either stolen at the individual voting sites or at some centralized tabulation sites (or both).
If at the individual sites, it would be easy to monitor any voting machine and reveal the theft. That's a pretty damned risky strategy, way easy to discover.
Are the thiefs gambling on the hope that no one anywhere would audit a sampling of voting machines in real time? That's incredible.
Typically researchers buy something like this on eBay. However, I’m seeing reports that the software was updated at the eleventh hour, so I would imagine it’s unlikely one purchased off eBay would have the update (unless it’s gone for sale recently). There might also be a way to scrape the internet for updates which then could be reverse engineered as well.
Or do the hard work of investigating the machine code. Not sure you could be confident looking at the source code alone since it provides no guarantee that was what was compiled and run on the machine.
I've wondered, even if you make voting software open source, how do you prove the code that's running on the voting machines is what's claimed in the repo? How can you provide that confidence? I'm not sure you can.
I suppose if it were to be built from source again and then hashed, and the hash matched the hash of the machine. You might be confident. Most likely that wouldn't work though thanks to time info about build process.
For those who don’t know what a recertification entails, it’s a lengthy process where specific inputs are made and then the results are checked for the expected outputs. For instance, 100 Trump votes will be made and they will check to ensure 100 Trump votes were tabulated. So if the code was manipulated and not certified, the inputs and outputs have not been verified to match. No votes should be made on uncertified software.
If I shipped production code without certifying I'd be fired. Even if it worked, and everything is perfect. We can do a limited recertification if it's been previously certified and only change a line or two of code, but you still have to certify everything that goes out the door.
the problem is that the software could easily be set to run the scammy shit only on particular conditions (e.g. a particular operator's keycard is inserted), and then run normally otherwise.
The most important passage of all: "touchscreens communicated with their underlying Android operating systems"
I am assured that Google, owner of the proprietary operating system known for its ability to update software wirelessly on-the-fly, has no axe to grind in this fight.
There are no minor changes when it comes to the security of software.
Sometimes literally all it takes to make software insecure is a single character in the code.
Change one single number, or an '&' to an '|', or a '<' to a '>'...
Why would one person alone have access to such program? If poll watchers exist to view and verify ballot counting, they must exist to oversee this person as well.
I have worked at places where we can't change the text size on a small element on an auxiliary page of our website without a code review and the whole company having access to the diff.
Coomer is literally a traitor to the United States of America. Swift trial, death penalty (aired on national television; people need to understand the consequences of actions like this), certify Trump's 2nd term win, restore republic.
[Coomer] said the problem only happened rarely, when users made selections in a specific pattern.
Almost as if it was designed to create this initial minor problem, giving Coomer the excuse he needed to come back and provide software updates... hmmmmmm...
It’s not acceptable to have a system where votes may not be counted properly. Glitches and bugs? In our Presidential election process? No, not acceptable in any way.
Besides... how hard would it be to write this software? It counts votes..... even a first year programming student should be able to write solid code to do just that. Needing to patch on the big Election Day? Makes no sense. It isn’t complex software, or at least it shouldn’t be.
All this needs to be open source. There shouldn't be these last minute deployments to software, and we honestly shouldn't even be using electronic tabulators or ballot entry devices.
I'm way more concerned with "the problem only happened rarely, when users made selections in a specific pattern."
It means the system is capable of returning different results based on the user's input. Voted for Trump? Well, that "pattern" temporarily disables the machine's ability to record your ballot. You hit done and submit, it tells you it's submitted but it never submits it. Didn't vote for Trump? That pattern allows proper submission of your ballot.
Not saying this happened, but they straight up said that the machines are more than capable of doing just that.
The fact that this Antifa thug had any connection with our election is horrifying. The results from every precinct that used Dominion in its voting must now be considered null and void. REDO with in-person paper ballots.
Come on, man, it's minor code change right before the biggest election of our lives when everyone already has been expecting fraud and the code committer is known Trump hater. And YOU QUESTION THAT? Bigot.
"less like a Trump hater and more like he's got demons that manifest themselves into Trump hating"
Is there a difference?
Thing is, you're just describing TDS. There is nothing distinct about this particular case that you've identified.
You're describing almost all of these people
They hate their parents. They hate the successful and people who are happy. They hate reality. Most of all, they hate themselves.
They don't hate their parents enough to not let them pay for their education, just enough to disavow anything they tried to instill in them.
Yeah but have you stayed in a holiday in select?
I think that describes most tds victims
Communists are not human.
Most - the vast majority - of leftists have serious mental problems.
I don’t think I need to explain it too much to you guys here, but just let your mind wander to how leftists act and behave.
Virtually none of their behavior is normal, nor healthy.
None of it.
Don’t forget he is an antifag too.
You know, according to the top scientists at the ethnic studies and womxns universities, statistics and a requirement of proof are aspects of whiteness and fundamental to maintaining white supremacy.
The nazis after all had proof the jews were statistically more likely to have more money then the German people prior to the holocaust. Think of that! Math is literally a requirement for genocide.
This is what "change control boards" are for.
Fuck you and your stupid sarcasm. It's not helpful at all.
Well that was rude.
Wait, are you being sarcastic?!
Fuck, I can't tell anymore.
Yeah, that's the part that really stuck out to me. As someone who's worked in software and system administration for about 20 years, you don't get to just make that call yourself - especially in something so critical.
It has been a banana republic in certain areas, mostly the heavy blue strong holds. There's a reason why Chicago is the way it is, being the kingpin of fraud. And this election, they pretty much just duplicated Chicago. It never gets fixed because why fix something that keeps them in power? And you got a good amount of the population that supports this implicitly and another portion which are demoralized.
This is the most damning thing for Georgia governor Brian Kemp. Corruption all throughout deep blue areas... and Georgia. Hey Brian, whose side are you on there, buddy?
He's on Brian's side. Looking out for himself as most do. Unfortunately the self serving politicians ( which is all of them as far as I can tell) never face any repercussions for their actions.
I urge folks to step up and get into local positions to actually get the change or keep what you want from local government.
It doesn't help that Kemp looks like the guy that gets double crossed by the bed guys after making a self serving deal.
Bingo!
https://archive.is/HUfvd
Where is Coomer these days?
wouldn't be surprised if he got the same of "witness protection" as epstein. e.g. someone gave him an early christmas present of quikcrete shoes and dropped him off in a caribbean hurricane for an all-expenses paid diving trip.
Or they will find his remains in an alligator in Florida after a while. "Boating accident", you know. Those things happen.
The real question is why did my weapons go down with his boat?
Partying with Hunter?
Singing like a canary at a black site?
I hope they will torture him to the point where he spills the beans and right after that his inner demons will take control of him and he slowly descends into madness ...and then spends rest of his miserable life in a padded room sucking his thumb and staring at the wall
Gitmo hopefully.
These run on android...google...wtf iv seen it all now..
The Nintendo Switch runs a proprietary custom OS. However, at least for early revisions, the Switch can be made to run a fairly standard Android build off of an SD card.
Most of these specialized systems run old or very vulnerable software. Just a Gui layer to make it look pretty. I used to service POS/Vending equipment. This was 2014 mind you but there were still systems I ran across running XP, a few using Win ME, and a hospital call center run by a vintage Pentium Pro powered Windows NT system 4.0 NT. Not to mention crusty old proprietary software using IBM 4690 OS.
There are huge three phase motors from prior to WWII that still run pumps and other critical machinery - and they do so at efficiencies in the high 90%'s. You do need to disassemble them and rewind them every couple decades, but there is nothing wrong with something just because it is "old". But whatever. Sometimes keeping that shit around costs more than ripping it out.
I agree that old tech can still be very useful. Carburetors are old tech but work just fine. I have an '81 XJ750 Yamaha Seca and it's still a blast to ride. (Quad carbs to sync!) However what you are comparing are two different things. Some infrastructures (like voting or other control systems) are easily hacked and need to be replaced or reworked. Will it be easy or cheap? No. Necessary? Yes. Once Trump is re-elected infrastructure revitalization needs to be pushed. Nothing is 100% secure but using essentially an android tablet for voting is garbage.
I suppose what I am getting at is that paper ballots are quite secure given the system we have developed (observers from both parties, chain of custody, etc.) over the past two centuries. Tablets and computers as vote tabulation devices make large scale fraud easier and do not intrinsically make voting more secure nor more convenient nor less expensive to administrate. There is, however, no huge pool of money nor contracts for maintaining a system of printed ballots. Whereas there is a huge pool of money and perverse incentives to sell out our republic and hand out contracts to companies to make what was a boring, low profit, business of printing and distributing ballots into a sexy, expensive, and corrupting electronic voting business.
Yep low tech for voting works. I'm all for voter ID and paper ballots. The only other ballots allowed are for military stationed overseas. As far as tech goes I was referring to the bigger picture of if we are going to use these niche systems (for any infrastructure) then we must make them actually useful and reliable.
Kill Chain doc on HBO proved it takes seconds to alter the count and it's impossible to detect. He could have totally done it easily with a flash drive.
Don't believe this guy. He's lying his ass off. Only way to find out would be to get the source code which they will not give up.
Or sealed in a barrel and buried in concrete
Actually we just need either one of the machines, or the raw software running on the machine, and we can reverse engineer the binaries without source code (I do this almost daily for work)
bjjmike69, here's my problem: the electronic vote is either stolen at the individual voting sites or at some centralized tabulation sites (or both).
If at the individual sites, it would be easy to monitor any voting machine and reveal the theft. That's a pretty damned risky strategy, way easy to discover.
Are the thiefs gambling on the hope that no one anywhere would audit a sampling of voting machines in real time? That's incredible.
Can people buy them? How do the researchers get theirs, covert ops? :)
Typically researchers buy something like this on eBay. However, I’m seeing reports that the software was updated at the eleventh hour, so I would imagine it’s unlikely one purchased off eBay would have the update (unless it’s gone for sale recently). There might also be a way to scrape the internet for updates which then could be reverse engineered as well.
If what they say about the Venezuelan election fixing is true, then it may be in a standard machine - and the update was just a tweak.
Or do the hard work of investigating the machine code. Not sure you could be confident looking at the source code alone since it provides no guarantee that was what was compiled and run on the machine.
Minor change eh? Then they should have no problem sending the git commit with the code diff. Thats the only way this gets resolved.
Wait this isn’t the actual codebase it’s just a collection of info lol
Git you say? https://github.com/Scytl/jseats/
Yea, let's see the pull request for this update.
I've wondered, even if you make voting software open source, how do you prove the code that's running on the voting machines is what's claimed in the repo? How can you provide that confidence? I'm not sure you can.
I suppose if it were to be built from source again and then hashed, and the hash matched the hash of the machine. You might be confident. Most likely that wouldn't work though thanks to time info about build process.
For those who don’t know what a recertification entails, it’s a lengthy process where specific inputs are made and then the results are checked for the expected outputs. For instance, 100 Trump votes will be made and they will check to ensure 100 Trump votes were tabulated. So if the code was manipulated and not certified, the inputs and outputs have not been verified to match. No votes should be made on uncertified software.
IMHO
Riggers get the rope
concise...thanks
If I shipped production code without certifying I'd be fired. Even if it worked, and everything is perfect. We can do a limited recertification if it's been previously certified and only change a line or two of code, but you still have to certify everything that goes out the door.
Certified like a Volkswagen emissions test :)
the problem is that the software could easily be set to run the scammy shit only on particular conditions (e.g. a particular operator's keycard is inserted), and then run normally otherwise.
The most important passage of all: "touchscreens communicated with their underlying Android operating systems"
I am assured that Google, owner of the proprietary operating system known for its ability to update software wirelessly on-the-fly, has no axe to grind in this fight.
ALSO,
ALSO,
Do these tablets have WIFI? .......................................
There are no minor changes when it comes to the security of software.
Sometimes literally all it takes to make software insecure is a single character in the code.
Change one single number, or an '&' to an '|', or a '<' to a '>'...
This guy secure softwares
Bogus reason for getting back into the machines to rig them. Clearly.
Patchnotes:
"Fixed a bug with the scrolling bar."
"Fixed a scenario, where a candidate that was not designated to win may win."
Sorry, what?
"Yeah, the glitch with the scrolling bar was really annoying. It's all fine now, don't worry about that."
Can't we have like background checks or security clearance before we let anyone just coomer a voting machine like that?
Upvoted for "coomering" as a verb!
Why would one person alone have access to such program? If poll watchers exist to view and verify ballot counting, they must exist to oversee this person as well.
A chain is only as strong as its weakest link.
It’s why we all must learn to code!
Didgital Killdozer, baby.
yeesh
"change is minor and does not require recertification"
3% is not a minor change. l. o. l.
I have worked at places where we can't change the text size on a small element on an auxiliary page of our website without a code review and the whole company having access to the diff.
But yeah this seems fine.
"Can you make this delay 2 seconds instead of 1.5 seconds?"
"Sure"
"Ok thanks. Also schedule a code review and full validation."
"Trust us... we're from Dominion." Scary stuff.
Coomer is literally a traitor to the United States of America. Swift trial, death penalty (aired on national television; people need to understand the consequences of actions like this), certify Trump's 2nd term win, restore republic.
It needs to be in the search results of "punishment for election fraud".
Almost as if it was designed to create this initial minor problem, giving Coomer the excuse he needed to come back and provide software updates... hmmmmmm...
LOL! His last name is Coomer...
Meme magic
In retrospect, I now wonder if the Coomer meme was created by our own DoD guys who had classified knowledge of what this dude was up to
This is big. Does this imply the “fix” was implemented on all machines in Georgia?
two words: TREA SON
Chillax braaah, certification schmertification.
Believe a Sociopath and see what happens.
It's like a specific version of FAFO.
Essentially this is Coomer doing Ballot Grooming......
Groomer Coomer............
It’s not acceptable to have a system where votes may not be counted properly. Glitches and bugs? In our Presidential election process? No, not acceptable in any way.
Besides... how hard would it be to write this software? It counts votes..... even a first year programming student should be able to write solid code to do just that. Needing to patch on the big Election Day? Makes no sense. It isn’t complex software, or at least it shouldn’t be.
You underestimate corporations' and modern college graduates' ability to overcomplicate software.
Who is Pro V&V? They "reviewed" the update- http://www.provandv.com/
Who is this...Pro V&V
Verification & Validation.... who are these folks?
Private company with an "angel" investor. Here's a little something
https://pitchbook.com/profiles/company/88623-64#funding
Eric Coomer is just a low-ranking useful idiot.
Go after the big fish, domestic and abroad, D and R. Make sure they are non-existent when the 2024 election (or 2022 midterms) arrive.
It's running on Android!?!?
This paired with the "Trump isn't going to win, I made sure of it" seems highly incriminating.
Raffensberger said it's all good, totally trust him
I guess if you consider shifting 3% of the vote to Biden instead of 100%, that could be considered "minor change".
a minor change can have a major impact.
I'm sure Dominion software is compiled (but, who knows). If so, they'll never miss a semi-colon :-P
Coomer hasn't been arrested / shot / GITMOed ... why?
All this needs to be open source. There shouldn't be these last minute deployments to software, and we honestly shouldn't even be using electronic tabulators or ballot entry devices.
that "specific pattern" was putting a little dot next to Donald J. Trump.
I'm way more concerned with "the problem only happened rarely, when users made selections in a specific pattern."
It means the system is capable of returning different results based on the user's input. Voted for Trump? Well, that "pattern" temporarily disables the machine's ability to record your ballot. You hit done and submit, it tells you it's submitted but it never submits it. Didn't vote for Trump? That pattern allows proper submission of your ballot.
Not saying this happened, but they straight up said that the machines are more than capable of doing just that.
Did Michael J Fox draw these highlights? What the fuck
Either that or somebody jonesing in Poopland, OR took a stab at it.
The "minor missing name problem", was probably on purpose, so that they could "fix" it with a last minute update. And you know what fix means.
Send this to Rudy n Sidney!
There's more than 1 Coomer involved here
Tar and feather Coomer...traitorous cucks deserve nothing less...
We need to get ahold of one of those USB drives.
The fact that this Antifa thug had any connection with our election is horrifying. The results from every precinct that used Dominion in its voting must now be considered null and void. REDO with in-person paper ballots.
What is this from?
The best code is short and effective.
Eric "Coomer". Simulation Confirmed.