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Qualityproduct 40 points ago +40 / -0

Guys, just got in "argument" ( I was just calm asking questions) over how fraud couldn't have happened because 1000s of people would of had to have been in on it. My only argument for the sake of securing my power level, was how that argument is a copout. I just went through 30 minutes of ridicule from my family because I didn't believe that to be a logical argument as to why it couldn't have taken place.

Be strong Pedes. Stay calm. Don't waver. Don't shy away. Don't ridicule your family, even when they do.

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Qualityproduct 8 points ago +8 / -0

I have to pick my points wisely cause unfortunately I wish to keep their "support" as family, so as I said... Have to conceal my power level. My argument was basic. "1000s of people would have to be involved and keep it secret" is not a valid argument to why it couldn't have happened. Real basic. Doesn't show what side I'm on, just that it was a faulty argument on their part. The backlash was so intense that clearly, mentioning veritas would lead to explosions. I did however show one of them the video of the usps working explaining how he didn't recant. They believed he did recant. They even told me I was crazy for thinking this guy had 3 hours of an fbi interrogation , that the fbi would have patted him down for wires... The delusion is strong amongst those who are grasping for reality . It became sad, and my empathy kicked in, which is bullshit because I did nothing wrong, But FUCk... They are worried

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RandallRaines 7 points ago +7 / -0

Their basic argument doesn't even make sense, "Can't happen because thousands would have to be involved and that many people can't keep a secret." Well they didn't keep it a secret, in fact they were caught, thousands of times. Or are they now asserting that thousands of people couldn't conspire to cheat, but thousands of people could conspire to pretend they did? You already pointed out the veritas stuff, where they didn't have to trick anyone to find election fraud, the criminals were openly posting what they were doing to social media.

Basically, you won't win because this is emotional for them. Evidence causes them mental anguish, and makes them upset with you for causing them this pain. The only way out is for them to convince themselves, I haven't found a way to confront them about reality that ends well.