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The conspiracy theory I believe, is that the St.Gellans mafia forced Benedict XVI to resign because Benedict was cleaning up the place. Remember, he forced Cardinal McCarrick into silence in a monastery to do penance for his sins. Also, almost right after Benedict XVI resigned, that corrupt Cardinal Beccui bribed people in Australia to falsely accuse Cardinal Pell. Cardinal Pell was continuing Bishop Vigano's work of trying to get to the bottom of what happened at the Vatican bank. After years of litigation Cardinal Pell was found innocent and his accusers confessed to taking money from Cardinal Beccui. Both Cardinal Beccui and Cardinal McCarrick are part of the St.Gellan's mafia (the lavendar mafia) and so is Cardinal Daneel (deceased). Cardinal Daneel was the Cardinal that introduced the pagan idol into the synod. All three openly admitted to be members of the St.Gallen's mafia (the lavendar mafia) and to conspiring to get Pope Francis elected pontiff.
Also, the town of St. Gallen was a major communist training/recruiting center. It is not a coincidence.
Dr.Taylor Marshall goes into detail on this, including some of the Bella Dodd connections, in various videos (find him on youtube etc).
Dude.. Hook me up with some reading. Not catholic but i want to know more.
More about this lavender mafia and also, what are these old dudes doing all this shady shit for, i mean obviously similar reasons to Politicians but they are religious leaders so their luxuries ans vices have to be deep downlow.
I've read a lot of different articles on it. The Wanderer, CRISIS, First Things, LifeSiteNews. Youtubers: Church Militant, Taylor Marshall many, many others.
This.
It’s the infiltration of institutions, from the earliest notion that the Church could not be destroyed from the outside but best from the inside (the 1850s Alta Vendita articles), to Gramsci, and the Masonic attacks in Europe and Mexico, and then outright communist operations sending agents into seminaries, and so on. The same devil wears a lot of different masks through the years, but with the same familiar goal.
As an aside, for Catholics especially there is a great CD on St. Maximilian Kolbe at Lighthouse Catholic Media on his battle against the Communists and Masons of the time, who at first presented themselves very much like Antifa then rolling into full blown political take-overs, later he gave his life to save a man in Auschwitz.
He also ran an newspaper and Shortwave radio station (call sign SP3RN) and is the patron Saint of Hamm radio.
Well, if that were the case there wouldn't be over a thousand different protestant denominations, so that's not entirely true.
However, you are right about praying to Jesus. For any individual soul, the most important thing is praying to Jesus and praying constantly without ceasing. Jesus so wants each and every one of us to lift up our souls to him.
Benedict did clean house as well as he could but huge banking scandals and worse, sexual scandals take time to unravel.
Also, Benedict has always been more of a scholar and not really a people person. He was viciously attacked from the beginning of his time. Remember, even TIME Magazine had a cover of him in which they called him "hitler's Pope" and Jews world wide went into a frenzy because they said he didn't apologize enough for being part of the Hitler Youth when he was 14. Benedict said he didn't join Hitler Youth willingly but that he was signed up and thus avoided the punishments in Nazi Germany for not being part of the Nazi party. Benedict has maintained that his Catholic Youth Director at his Catholic parish signed all the boys up for the Hitler Youth because he was afraid for them. Yet, Jews went nuts over it as if Benedict was a) an adult and b) a ring leader of the holocaust. To make matters worse, every lefty bishop in the world immediately started saying crap about Benedict and undermining him as best they could.
How the St.Gellan's mafia got Benedict XVI to resign? I don't know. In my opinion, I'm unsure of what a papal resignation/abdication means in this case. I don't know.
That plus the tremendous embezzlement going on - the same infiltrators carrying on perversions were pilfering the accounts. Think “Hillary and Bill” having infiltrated church instead of state.
I was raised a catholic, than spent my teens and twenties believing in a creator/divine power.
In my late 20’s, prayer to an unknown god lead me to scripture passages from the strangest ways. After spending some time in the Bible, I found that lots of teaching from the church was in direct contradiction with the word of god.
I’m not one to preach, but putting men between us and god is not what he wants for us. He calls us to call no one father but me. He calls us to have a personal relationship with him.
For Catholics taking issue with Francis, may be good time to open the Bible and get the story unadultered.
Just like I wouldn’t advise anyone to take the message of the constitution from their polisci professor, I wouldn’t advise anyone to take the message of god from the Catholic Church.
All in love, nothing here intended to be offensive or demeaning, although that is how my family takes my opinion on this.
What did the early christians do for 400 years before the books of the bible were confirmed?
And it seems you trust the catholic church on which books belong in the bible but fail to recognize any other authority that christ may have given them
I like the part of the Bible where the people who were compiling it hundreds of years after the events depicted left out any letters or other records that make mention of Peter’s authority being passed on to a “second pope” or even implying that that was a thing that Christ wanted. And then also didn’t mention the dozens of other “popes“ that came after that and just told the people the pope is in charge because tradition. Sure the scriptures did establish two leadership positions for local congregations, being elders and deacons, and listed requirements for both positions including being married to one woman and having your children and household well managed, but we can just ignore the scriptures and have unmarried and childless bishops, cardinals, and popes because tradition. Jesus said call no man father but God, and that only God is worthy of being called good, so why not call the pope holy father, that’s completely different so it must be ok.
Sarcasm aside, catholic tradition has been all over the place over the last 1500 years and has frequently directly contradicted scripture. Nadab and Abihu tried to worship in a way that deviated from how they were told to by offering up “strange fire” and they died, Moses struck the rock instead of speaking to it and was denied entry to the promised land, one of the prophets was eaten by a lion because he didn’t immediately leave the area like he was told, and scriptures say that let any who add to or take away from the gospel to be accursed even if it is an angel, but we think it’s okay to directly contradict scripture because it’s tradition to do so? If the Scriptures say if you believe and repent of your sins and be immersed in water to be baptized as a symbolic death, burial, and resurrection/ rebirth to receive the forgiveness of sins, how does that make it ok to sprinkle water onto babies who lack the mental maturity to believe in God, let alone commit any sins just because that became tradition because they didn’t want anyone getting baptized to catch a cold and die immediately afterwards (can’t have people die and go straight to heaven before having the opportunity to backslide).
The only way to God is through Jesus Christ his son, who intercedes on our behalf, but the catholic church teaches to pray to the dead in heaven because God and Jesus are too important and busy to listen to us directly, and if their prayers are answered they give credit to the saints for passing on the message. That is blasphemy. The Bible shows the dead 3 times: Samuel’s spirit being summoned by the witches to give Saul advice, Lazarus in Abraham’s bosom, and the martyrs calling to god for justice. None of those times show the dead praying for us on our behalf like we can do for others (or vice versa) while we are alive. Samuel is annoyed, Abraham is indifferent, Lazarus is seemingly oblivious (the rich man is ineffectual), and the martyrs have other priorities. None of those examples look like Johnny Cochran asking for his guilty client to be acquitted to me. Jesus is our advocate, pray to him. If the answer to your prayer is yes or no, give God the Glory.
At The Last Supper, Jesus broke bread and said this is my body that will be broken for you and this wine is my blood, but that in no way means that the bread and wine they shared that night was supernaturally transformed into actual flesh and blood. He was telling the apostles that he was going to be given over to the Pharisees to be killed because that was God’s plan and was necessary to fulfill the Covenant God made with Abraham who offered up his own son to God, but like many other times, he had to explain himself afterward because they didn’t understand what he meant. He asked us to break bread and share the fruit of the vine like they did that night as an act of remembrance, but when we do so the bread and juice is not transformed into his flesh and blood. The only mystery involved here is why it became mainstream to believe in sudden cannibalism for no stated purpose. Christ’s body was broken and he shed his blood while being offered up as a sacrifice for the forgiveness of our sins (that’s the miracle), but he never implies in any way that we have our sins forgiven when we eat his flesh and drink his blood during communion, because it is just bread and juice.
What is your interpretation of John 6:66? You say that there is no reason to assume that the bread and wine became jesus. If that's the case there is also no reason to assume it doesn't!
At least the catholics point to John 6:66 as proof as to why we believe it actually does become jesus
Jesus tells a group of people that have followed him that they don’t follow him because they saw him perform miracles, but because he gave them bread. He tells them that God sent down manna from heaven to feed Moses and the Jews leaving Egypt but it was only bread and all those men have since died. Jesus tells the people that God has sent down a new type of bread, that he is that bread and those who eat his flesh will have eternal life. The people do not understand, so Jesus later tells his apostles that the flesh is worth nothing but it is the the spirit that is important. Those who believe Jesus’s words and follow his teachings will have eternal life.
He said unless you eat if my body and drink of my blood you will not be saved. And no one is claiming that it is actually turning physically into the body and the blood but that it is changing spiritually.
Jesus tells a group of people that have followed him that they don’t follow him because they saw him perform miracles, but because he gave them bread. He tells them that God sent down manna from heaven to feed Moses and the Jews leaving Egypt but it was only bread and all those men have since died. Jesus tells the people that God has sent down a new type of bread, that he is that bread and those who eat his flesh will have eternal life. The people do not understand, so Jesus later tells his apostles that the flesh is worth nothing but it is the the spirit that is important. Those who believe Jesus’s words and follow his teachings will have eternal life. The bread and wine never change in anyway
The catholic church is a business, always has been, their big thing is marketing.
For example, each time they came across a tradition, a belief that held sway with a group, they absorbed it: virgin birth, check. multiple beings in one, check. symbols such as trees, eggs, rabbits, check. Holidays, check.
They are not a religion, they are a business and that is all they are. And not an especially nice business at that.
If you believe in Jesus, follow his words in your heart and deeds. End of.
they mostly listened to teachers, and if the teachers started teaching a different message than they had been taught, they either split off ith the teacher, or forced the teacher to leave. See Orthodox Christianity for an example.
The first generation of Christians all had at least one Gospel and one Epistle. There was never any doubt as to what was sacred, except for the apocalypse.
"Catholic" for what it means now didn't exist until the great schism of 1054.
The Orthodox Church split off from Rome in 1054 supposedly over the filioque clause (translated: "and the son") in the creed but it was actually political. Constantinople was rival as the secular capital of the world with Rome and so they thought they should also be the religious capital of the world.
It wasn't "all political." By 1054 the Church of the East had long been distinct from the Church of the West. Probably for hundreds of years.
The leaders of both ex-communicated each other in 1054. The split was initially language, greek vs latin. It was also geographical; travel was abruptly stopped by Muslims.
It became theological, and no church other than Rome ever went along with the pope nonsense.
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
I’m not a catholic, and what I’ve been taught is that when Jesus said, “upon this rock I will build my church”, he was referring to Peter’s confession that Jesus is the son of God.
Martin Luther had very specific problems that were ignored by the church even though they were completely legitimate. He didn’t want to splinter the church.
This is all absolutely false and sheer ignorance. The council of Nicea had an itinerary. We know what it was. "Deciding what would be included" wasn't part of it.
There are lists demonstrating NT Canon was settled circa 180.
The vast number of beligerant atheists and agnostics I know grew up in Catholic homes. That religion has spawned more non believers with chips on their shoulders than I can count.
That's not to say the church hasn't done some good and there aren't good catholics. I've known quite a few of those, too. But I've never seen other denominations flip people quite the way Catholicism does.
That is because Catholicism is immutable. Want to use birth control? It’s a sin. Want to live with your girlfriend? Sin. Masturbation? Sin. Porn? Sin. Getting drunk? Sin. Abortion? Sin. Tired of your wife and get a divorce then remarry? Sin. Any of these will get you in big trouble with God - that is the truth. People don’t like the truth so they run from it to Protestantism which says “believe in Christ and you are saved” which is a lie. Judas believed in Christ. So did Satan. It takes more than faith to be acceptable to God - and the Catholic Church rightfully teaches that difficult truth.
People don’t like the truth so they run from it to Protestantism which says “believe in Christ and you are saved” which is a lie.
This is a misrepresentation, and I can't decide if it's a malicious, or ignorant misrepresentation.
Therefore, as a brother in Christ, I am going to school you, so that your feet will be once again set on the right path.
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. -- Romans 10:9
Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God: -- Luke 12:8
“Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven. -- Matthew 10:32
There's more. But not only have you misrepresented the scriptural position, but you are simply wrong in your underlying theology. God bless.
EDIT: How ironic, downvoted for posting scripture in response to someone that asserts Protestants "don't like the truth"
Did the Good Samaritan tell the victim of the robbers “I believe in Christ!!!” and walk away? Christ gave this parable to show how to follow the Great Commandment that was necessary for salvation.
The idea that Protestantism is just "believe and you're saved" is a strawman. The Bible clearly teaches that our salvation is based on our relationship with Christ. Which is to say, the state of our heart, married with the state of our actions. "What does God require of us? Right Action".
Um, I think Christians know they may fail, but strive to be Christlike.
Confessing to a priest is nothing compared to confessing to god.
If you love god, you don’t want to let him down.
I haven’t been to a church that promotes abortion, adultery, etc as acceptable.
There are all types of churches out there that call themselves Christian.
Any teaching that deviates from or alters the word of god is addressed in the Bible, and those that intentionally do so will be dealt with by the judge himself.
You are incorrect. Hormonal birth control prevents ovulation (releasing an egg from the ovary), so there is no possibility for conception in the cycle.
Starting on a tangent, To my knowledge, the Bible does not mandate any certain positions or ways of having sex with your spouse or forbid sex for pleasure. We are given these rules regarding sex: No incest, no rape, no homosexuality, No bestiality, no premarital sex, and no adultery. We are told not to lust after those who are not our spouse, so just lust after your spouse and you are fine. I can think of a passage that many people point to as saying masturbation is a sin, but the man in that passage was not by himself but actually with his dead brother’s wife. The custom in those days (local tradition, not biblical commandment as far as a know), was if a man died without children then his brother would lay with the window and get her pregnant and it would be considered as the dead brothers child to carry on “his” bloodline, and for matters of inheritance. But the man in the passage pulled out and “spilled his seed on the ground” instead of giving his sister-in-law a child. So a lot of stuff going on there, but not actually masturbation.
So in general, the rule is don’t have sex outside of marriage, be fruitful and multiply, and children are a blessing from the lord. I‘m not the best bible scholar, but I can’t think of any scriptures that cover birth control, and neither science or the Bible tells us the exact moment when life begins, wether it is at conception, at some point during the pregnancy, or at birth, so I would advise its better to be safe and use a condom/ birth control that prevents conception than to find out at the judgement that you have accidentally and unintentionally committed murder.
Agreed and it's position to try and be the church of nice and Bend the rules these last few decades is what is causing people to leave the church. Leftists took over and we need to pray and reclaim the church. Make the Catholic Church great again by going back to the traditional Church that stayed strong for almost 2 millennia onlyto be on the decline in half century starting with Vatican II . We need a strong conservative Church teaching the truth and not trying to make people happy with their sins and Bend over backwards to be liked. The only role of priests and bishops is to try and bring as many to salvation as possible. Not to allow homo marriages and birth control (which is no different than abortion in many cases as it kills a featured egg after conception) to make people and the leftist media like them more.
False, God knows man is not perfect because God can find deffects even in Angels, and Jesus tells us that nobody saves themselves by their own virtue. Nobody goes to the father if not through the son.
Even in the 10 commandments we dont see all the rules that catholics came up with. No masturbation? Thats basically a function of the human body.
So nobody is saved by themselves and their silly rules. Jesus says if there's one rule then love God above else and your neighbour as yourself.
Where does it say that we can’t punch our wife if we want to?
Where does it say we shouldn’t drink to excess?
Where does it say not to look at pornography?
There is a depth to the commandments that closed minds fail to realize, and it is essential that there be an authoritative source for the interpretation of the commandments for all ages that mankind can look to to aid him in his journey towards God. Christ knew this and left an authority of earth to guide mankind to heaven.
“And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.”
St Matthew 16:18-19 DRC1752
https://www.bible.com/55/mat.16.18-19.drc1752
Sorry I wasn't replying to you, I was replying to the guy who said masturbation was evil. It's true we need to obey the commandments from God but it's very dangerous to try to interpret them on our own and then enforce them on others. We shouldn't judge.
""Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."
In this world we're free to do anything and Jesus taught us that we do not save ourselves by following commandments but trough him. This means we have to do the best we can and believe in him. Love God and love your neighbour but we shouldn't try to be righteous in your own eyes.
"Everything is permissible for me"--but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me"--but I will not be mastered by anything. "Food for the stomach and the stomach for food"--but God will destroy them both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body."
"Don’t be impressed with your own wisdom. Instead, fear the LORD and turn away from evil."
I believe that you mistake the behavior of a few horrendous men to mean that the Catholic Church is a failure in teaching the faith.
Well, I took your advice and opened that Bible and saw that Christ, despite 1/12th of His foundling church betray Him to death on a cross - He did not abandon it and still gave the Apostles the mandate to make disciples of all nations.
I guess if Christ can see the beauty of His church despite bad men then maybe I should be like Christ and do the same.
Hi, thank you for sharing your life experience. I do like to troll, but these are sincere questions for you based upon your post above. I don’t have a lot of opportunity to ask real thinking Catholics questions that seems a i local to me. When you have three minutes, I’d love to get your take on in some things I’ve seen that don’t make sense to me.
Do you believe the church alone can forgive sins through confession?
Do you believe a man/ priest can actually make bread and wine into blood and flesh or do you think it’s symbolic?
Do you believe in purgatory?
Do you believe Mary was a virgin her whole life, or just prior to Jesus’ birth?
Do you believe dead people can intercede with god on our behalf? (Praying to saints?)
You aren’t replying to me but I am happy to answer your questions:
The church cannot forgive sins - only God can - but God gave the authority to His church to bind or loose sins on earth - and that a sin forgiven on earth is forgiven in heaven.
“And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.”
St Matthew 16:19 DRC1752
https://www.bible.com/55/mat.16.19.drc1752
The bread and wine become the true body and blood of Jesus Christ.
“For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him. As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father; so he that eateth me, the same also shall live by me. This is the bread that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead. He that eateth this bread, shall live for ever. These things he said, teaching in the synagogue, in Capharnaum. Many therefore of his disciples, hearing it, said: This saying is hard, and who can hear it?”
St John 6:56-61 DRC1752
https://www.bible.com/55/jhn.6.56-61.drc1752
This is not symbolism - Jesus made it clear that it was His flesh and Blood - so much so that He lost many followers that would not accept it. The transubstantiation during the consecration is what truly sets the Catholic Church apart - we got it, Protestants don’t.
I believe in Purgatory. Tell me, where did Moses go after he died and before Christ redeemed us? He wasn’t in heaven because Christ needed to die for us first. They weren’t in hell because they weren’t damned... so where were they?
Mary was a virgin from birth until death. Before you try to tell me Christ had siblings watch this very informative video that outlines why that is a lie perpetrated by enemies of the truth.
You don’t believe that the souls of the dead can intercede for us? I mean if someone is in hell then yeah they can’t. But those in heaven surely can.
“And he was transfigured before them. And his face did shine as the sun: and his garments became white as snow. And behold there appeared to them Moses and Elias talking with him.”
St Matthew 17:2-3 DRC1752
https://www.bible.com/55/mat.17.2-3.drc1752
Apparently Moses and Elias could be talked to after they were dead. If that is so then why not any of the other saints?
I hope this clears up some of the questions you might have based on the fact that most Catholic Church opponents are Sola Scriptura.
Do you believe the church alone can forgive sins through confession?
Only God has the power to forgive sins. Jesus lended the authority to act on his behalf to the apostles, and told them that any sins they forgive are forgiven and any sins they retain are retained. Priests were given the authority, through Christ, to forgive sins. It's biblical.
Do you believe a man/ priest can actually make bread and wine into blood and flesh or do you think it’s symbolic?
Only through God is this mystery possible. We do not believe that the priest alone transfigures the host into the body, blood, soul, and divinity of jesus. But only through the will of God does it happen. Do you not believe that God has the power to allow that to happen if he wanted to?
Do you believe in purgatory?
Yes. Coincidentally, the books that martin luther and the protestants removed from the old testament actually contain the strongest evidence for purgatory. Funny how that works.
Do you believe Mary was a virgin her whole life, or just prior to Jesus’ birth?
Mary is the new arc of the covenant. The arc of the covenant was only permitted to hold the ten commandments and other select items. Therefore, Mary was made as the pure and only vessel for Christ. If mary had other children, why would Christ tell John to care for her while he was on the cross? Jesus was her only child and her care was given to John when jesus died. Again, it's biblical.
Do you believe dead people can intercede with god on our behalf? (Praying to saints?)
There is a difference between worship prayer and prayer for intercession. When we pray to the saints it is no different than asking your friend or grandmother to pray to God on your behalf. Wouldn't you want the most holy men and women of all time to also be praying to God to help with you struggles? The bible says that the prayer of a righteous man is indeed more powerful.
You propagate a falsehood here: Martin Luther included the deutero-canon. Rumor haa it that it was later removed to cut down on printing coats. It's plausible: it might even be true. Idk.
There are three ways deadly sins (mortal sins, reference 2 John) can be forgiven: a) Sacramental Baptism, b) perfect contrition as opposed to attrition, the difference being perfect contrition is sorrow for sin solely and purely out of love for God whereas attrition is sorrow because of a desire to escape hell or because of Earthly calamity brought about because of the sin, and c) The sacrament of confession to a priest who takes the place of Christ "whoever sins are forgiven are forgiven for whatever you loose on Earth will be loosed in heaven and whatever is bound on Earth will be bound in heaven." Jesus said this to the Apostles before he ascended into heaven. He was telling the Apostles and their successors they had this power, not everyone.
Catholicism states that the bread and wine both become the body, blood, soul and divinity and appear as if they are bread and wine. Also, the wine isn't just the blood of Christ and the bread isn't just the body of Christ. Both wine and bread are equally body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus Christ. "the crowd began to walk away and the apostles asked him to take back what he had said and Jesus said to them I have said what I have said" What did Jesus say right before that...He said "unless you eat of my flesh and drink of my blood, you shall not have eternal life." The symbolism of communion, the body and blood, was in the OT when Jews ate the pascal lamb and drained it of it's blood and the priests threw it against the altar. Jesus however IS the pascal lamb. The symbolism which anticipated Jesus was fulfilled in Jesus' passion, death and resurrection.
Purgatory first appears in Maccabees when Judas Maccabeus tells his soldiers after the victorious battle to pray for the souls of the dead soldiers because they were wearing amulets which is idolatry. If it did no good to pray for the dead, then why would Judas Maccabeus tell his soldiers to pray for the dead? if they were in heaven, they were already saved. If they were in hell, then they were already lost. The inference is that there is a place of purgation in which those who die with sin on their soul can be purged of those sins. Jesus said, unless you are as perfect as the heavenly father is perfect, you cannot enter the Kingdom of God. Jesus wasn't exaggerating and therefore there has to be a place of purgation because most of us are unworthy. "many are called. few are chosen."
Mary was not only a virgin but she is also the Immaculate Conception. She is the only human being, other than Jesus to be born without original sin. She was spared the stain of Adam's sin because of the anticipated merits of Christ. Why was Mary spared this? Because GOD could not be born of a woman and become man to someone who had any stain of offense against God. Although the Son is divine and of the trinity, his human nature was created and the co-creator, along with God, of his human person was Mary. Mary, his mother, wasn't a suitcase for fetus Jesus but a principle of his very being and existence, just like your mother is the progenitor of your being.
Catholics believe in the communion of saints: a) The Church Triumphant are those saints and angels in heaven. b) The Church suffering are those souls in purgatory that can't help themselves but as some Catholic theologians believe - and I do as well - can help us on Earth and c) the Church militant who are fighting the spiritual warfare against the evil one and his unholy hoarde. When one dies and is good enough to enter purgatory or exceptional enough to go directly to heaven, they do not have their hearts and minds wiped clean but rather feel more than we do on Earth because they see all as it is spiritually. A dead parent or sibling sees us all the more and with far greater love and wish for mercy on us. We can thus ask them for help. All the more those saints in heaven for they want God's plan realized more than any of us on Earth and desire salvation for us more than we do ourselves. Lukes writes of Lazarus the beggar "and the rich man saw Lazarus the beggar and said give me some water, just a drop for I am thirsty and it is terribly hot down here. Lazarus replied, I sat outside your home and the dogs licked my wounds and I would have been happy to eat the crumbs that fell from your table but you gave me nothing so I will give you nothing. The rich man said to Lazarus, let me go warn my brothers and sisters so they will not end up like me. Abraham responded No, they have Moses and the prophets. if they do not listen to Moses and the prophets, why would they listen to you. Abraham said a great chasm is between the beggar and Lazarus and Lazarus cannot cross it to give the rich man water.
Re: asking for ancients to pray with you ("praying to Saints," with modern language that phrase doesn't work)
The Catholics here have skipped the meat of the issue: "the fellowship of the Saints." It's a beautiful concept, and entirely Scriptural. AND entirely Catholic! A good way of understanding this is if you had a real dilemma, didn't know what to do, couldn't do what needed to be done, couldn't even pray about it. Now let's say you happen to be part of a good Church. It'd be a good idea to get them to help you. Now let's say that one person in your Church is known for having experience and success with your particular dilemma. You'd probably be more comfortable confiding in that person. You'd probably want to discuss it with them, and they'd probably have worthwhile things to say.
And they'd probably turn the discussion to prayer, and pray WITH you. And it would help!
Jesus lives, today. As do former Church members, from His day to ours. This concept stems from Judaism, which holds that all who participate in Passover do so together with the first. Let us keep the feast!
The fellowship of the Saints is a beautiful concept :)
I had the opportunity to visit the Vatican while in college. The display of wealth in the gardens, the museum with each Pope's hat, staff, gold-embroidered robes was shocking to me. However, right outside the walls of this city, the Italians hung their laundry on clotheslines across the alleyways from their apartments, the streets stank of urine, and bus transportation across the city was 50 lira (250 lira within the Vatican). It was beautiful, but did not give me a good feeling about the benevolence of this church. Just my opinion...
If such things like gardens and art are that upsetting, if they occurred in a vacuum that would be accurate. It's true in the past there were people, including popes, who used their position for their own personal financial benefit. Hasn't been that way for a long time. What mostly you see is from centuries ago or from modern era artists/benefactors who want to give to their church.
When I say not in a vacuum, it's an important point. No other institution in history has done as much charitable work or helped the poor as much, for instance.
Even Jesus had an apostle that betrayed him. We are human and therefore sinners. This is why paying for the Pope is what I do everyday.. there have been many bad pipes but the church survived. This war on the church has been predicted and we have been given a sure outcome..... The forces of evil will not win against Jesus's Church
Part of the reason I love this place: a year or two ago, the best humor to be found was via auto-correct. Everybody was so afraid of sjws nobody would joke.
Philip 4 of France killed the templars as Satanists and installed his own pope in France. I always thought he was a crazy power hungry tyrant, but now I think he was ahead of his time... He got assassinated.
Even pope John Paul 2 has all other religions pray in the Vatican... That was heresy... All pipes since Vatican 2 have led to the decline of the church
Most anti-Christians wrongly think the purpose of Christianity is to teach morality. Worse, many Christians take that bait and engage on that level.
Proverbs is the only book of the Bible that teaches on morality much at all. It's designed for small children. Even it quickly goes deeper than just recognizing right from wrong.
The Beautitudes are pretty much where the NT starts, and turn any possible human concept of morality on its head.
"It makes me think one thing: people, leaders, entrepreneurs who call themselves Christians, and manufacture arms! This gives rise to some mistrust: they call themselves Christians! “No, no, Father, I don’t manufacture them, no, no…. I only have my savings, my investments in arms factories”. Ah! And why? “Because the interest is somewhat higher…”. And being two-faced is common currency today: saying something and doing another. Hypocrisy….
…There is that hypocrisy of speaking of peace and producing arms, and even selling arms to this one who is at war with that one, and to that one who is at war with this one!" https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pope-francis-gun-owners/
I've seen all of these statements before. They are taken out of context and do not reflect the implied sentiment in this fake news headlines. Also the pope is a joke.
The apostles also say they have two swords. Jesus doesn't say "weapons are forbidden" he says "it is enough"
By the way a growing number of faithful Catholics believe Benedict was forced to resign and under Canon law that resignation is invalid, ergo Francis is not pope, Benedict still is.
A sword has only 1 purpose- to do combat with other men. It is not a hunting weapon, nor is it a work tool. The Bible is unambiguous here. The AR-15 can at least be used to hunt, a weapon which some could argue would give plausible deniability as to what Jesus is saying to do. A sword has no such utility.
Whenever I sarcasm here as well, people pitch a fit. It's a shame that life has become so freaking strange that sarcasm is indistinguishable from real life
And herein lies the problem with and the benefit of Catholicism (depending on your point of view): The holy texts don't matter. Some guy with a funny hat can just make shit up as he goes and call it the word of god. Think for yourselves people, a central authority figure without checks is an open invitation for corruption. The sheer number of degenerate and corrupt popes attests to that.
I hear your point, but I believe it is a misrepresentation. Catholic teaching (to my knowledge) does not proclaim that everything that every pope says is the word of God. 'Papal infallibility' -> ex cathedra "speaking from the chair" is the only time that the word of the pope is infallible. It has happened only once since 1870.
In 2015, Francis said people who manufacture and sell weapons of war created "mistrust" if they also call themselves Christians; he also said that those who defended their financial investments in the weapons industry were engaging in "hypocrisy."
He's a pedophile. Jeebus, can't anybody think of another and better descriptive term but "faggot"? It's 12 year olds in here. He's an asshole. He's Satan's spawn. He's a globalist fake. He's the anti-Christ.
It's a cult. Not a religion. Christians are religious Catholics are ritualistic and cult like. I know I'm gonna get people defending in here because they may be Catholics. But I don't care. I have left a church before because I don't agree with the progressive bullshit they tried preaching instead of the word of God.
Several Orthodox churches are older than the Roman church.
Looking at the history of the Roman church will reveal why someone would look at it as some sort of cult or paganistic church. The reason for this is that Roman beliefs were replaced with Christianity in order to speed up the conversion of the Roman empire. Demi gods became Saints. Festivals for the agricultural gods were repurposed for Christian uses.
I would say that RegularAmerican's assessment is blunt and unhelpful. A better description of Catholic dogma is it's a lot of added bs that really doesn't seem necessary. It is very ritualistic, but that gives a sense of tradition that a lot of people appreciate.
Do I know the correct answer? Nope. If you like Catholicism, then you go be your bad self.
I did grow up in the Armenian Apostolic church which stopped communicating with Rome in the early 6th century because of the dispute of monophysitism. I like how your understanding of Christianity is so narrow you think it all started in Europe.
There were different flavours of Christianity before and alongside Catholicism. The latter was just the extension of Romain state religion.
Cultist is the attitude of following people with funny hats over scripture or divinity. It's when the believer stops thinking for themselves. Access to power and worldly wealth have corrupted the church immediately, hence why church and state ought to be separated.
And on this site, we wanna keep energy high and faggotry low. Passive aggressiveness and pearl clutching are peak faggotry.
Hmmmmm, doesn’t the Vatican have an Army? And aren’t they armed??? I think having the bullet proof Pope Mobile is Hypocritical given such a dumb ass statement like that!!! Show us how it’s done buddy!!! It’s time to end tax free status for these churches! They are behind the new world order!
It makes me think one thing: people, leaders, entrepreneurs who call themselves Christians, and manufacture arms! This gives rise to some mistrust: they call themselves Christians! “No, no, Father, I don’t manufacture them, no, no…. I only have my savings, my investments in arms factories”. Ah! And why? “Because the interest is somewhat higher…”. And being two-faced is common currency today: saying something and doing another. Hypocrisy….
…There is that hypocrisy of speaking of peace and producing arms, and even selling arms to this one who is at war with that one, and to that one who is at war with this one! -Pope Francis
Pinochet was in the wrong country; he was Chilean. Jorge the goon here is Argentine, one of Chile’s arch rivals. And fittingly enough Jorge the Marxist false prophet was happy to pal around with the even more murderous Argentine junta by doing stuff like blessing the invasion of the Falklands.
It makes me think one thing: people, leaders, entrepreneurs who call themselves Christians, and manufacture arms! This gives rise to some mistrust: they call themselves Christians! “No, no, Father, I don’t manufacture them, no, no…. I only have my savings, my investments in arms factories”. Ah! And why? “Because the interest is somewhat higher…”. And being two-faced is common currency today: saying something and doing another. Hypocrisy….
…There is that hypocrisy of speaking of peace and producing arms, and even selling arms to this one who is at war with that one, and to that one who is at war with this one! -Pope Francis
He was referring to arms dealers selling guns to both sides in times of war.
Within the context of the quote, he was referring to arms dealers selling guns to both sides in times of war. But I agree that there are a lot of anti 2a things that this pope has said, like when he said we should abolish all guns.
[Jesus] said to them, “But now, the one who has a purse must take it, and likewise a bag. And the one who has no sword must sell his cloak and buy one.
Luke 22:36 NRSV
https://bible.com/bible/2016/luk.22.36.NRSV
This "pope" is a fraud. A wolf in sheep clothing.
This fake "pope" is literally contradicting Jesus of Nazareth himself.
My wife was Catholic. Was. Anyone who still maintains that the Catholic Church is one of the Churches of Christ just is not paying attention.
How many idols has the church created? All the saints are nothing more than idols. Jesus is the one true person to emulate. None of the saints ever did a better job than Jesus did on anything.
Why is Mary apparently more important than Jesus Christ? Mother of God? Seriously? He called her woman.
You cannot earn your way into heaven. You are born into sin and your sin prevents you from attaining heaven. Only through the Grace of God and the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ your Lord can you attain heaven. No number of hail maries is going to get you there. No amount of charity or good deeds erases your failures.
But hey, feel free to be a member of a church where all the pedophile Senators, Congressmen and other government people attend if it makes you feel good, because that is about all it will ever get you.
I am a non-believer, but I respect adherence to a commonly chosen religious code and sticking to the holy texts far more than making shit up as one goes.
Oh, but you can support abortion on demand up to the moment of birth like Biden and Pelosi and still be in communion with the Catholic Church? Nah, dawg.
Well it is a good thing I am not Catholic so I don't have to listen to this moron or believe anything he says. Remember he is also the same fucktard who said that there were multiple paths to Heaven, directly contradicting the Word of God.... He is an idiot at best, the forerunner to the anti christ at worst.
What the hell is he on about? I'm a damn atheist and i'd make a better pope than him at this point. Almost everything he says and does is in direct defiance with what his religion would actually entail, and he doesn't even hold the word of his god in reverence when compared to pagan beliefs. Dude needs to step down, only kind of "holy" he represents is shit.
Matthew 6:24
No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
He hates JESUS and Despises GOD. He loves COMMUNISM and holds to SATAN.
And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one.
Jesus
But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.
I've never heard of a problem with the Swiss guards honestly. Plus they are "retired" out of the service at around age 30 and then can do what they want including marry.
But aside from all that I find it disgusting that the Pope would condemn gun owners. Even though he probably doesn't own a gun himself he sure doesn't mind hiring people who do. Plus, he is technically the head of state of a government that has a small armed force. Not to mention that the Vatican bank holds large stock holding sin companies that make contraceptives, even while the church preaches against it.
As a Catholic and a gun owner I find this pope to be basically an antiPope.
Is the Pope Catholic? That's not supposed to be a trick question. Does the Catholic church sell contraceptives, or invest in it? Only slightly trickier. I mean, a 5 year old would need some explanation, and may not pay attention long enough to get it.
The pope, isn’t Christian. He is false. He has accepted so many doctrines of the devil.
Benedict: the guy who resigned because of all the child sex abuse that happened during his tenure?
The conspiracy theory I believe, is that the St.Gellans mafia forced Benedict XVI to resign because Benedict was cleaning up the place. Remember, he forced Cardinal McCarrick into silence in a monastery to do penance for his sins. Also, almost right after Benedict XVI resigned, that corrupt Cardinal Beccui bribed people in Australia to falsely accuse Cardinal Pell. Cardinal Pell was continuing Bishop Vigano's work of trying to get to the bottom of what happened at the Vatican bank. After years of litigation Cardinal Pell was found innocent and his accusers confessed to taking money from Cardinal Beccui. Both Cardinal Beccui and Cardinal McCarrick are part of the St.Gellan's mafia (the lavendar mafia) and so is Cardinal Daneel (deceased). Cardinal Daneel was the Cardinal that introduced the pagan idol into the synod. All three openly admitted to be members of the St.Gallen's mafia (the lavendar mafia) and to conspiring to get Pope Francis elected pontiff.
Hugely interesting. As a Jew, I knew none of this.
I’ll check into all this. It’s just so crazy that Mcarthy was right about everything back then
Also, the town of St. Gallen was a major communist training/recruiting center. It is not a coincidence. Dr.Taylor Marshall goes into detail on this, including some of the Bella Dodd connections, in various videos (find him on youtube etc).
Dude.. Hook me up with some reading. Not catholic but i want to know more. More about this lavender mafia and also, what are these old dudes doing all this shady shit for, i mean obviously similar reasons to Politicians but they are religious leaders so their luxuries ans vices have to be deep downlow.
I've read a lot of different articles on it. The Wanderer, CRISIS, First Things, LifeSiteNews. Youtubers: Church Militant, Taylor Marshall many, many others.
This. It’s the infiltration of institutions, from the earliest notion that the Church could not be destroyed from the outside but best from the inside (the 1850s Alta Vendita articles), to Gramsci, and the Masonic attacks in Europe and Mexico, and then outright communist operations sending agents into seminaries, and so on. The same devil wears a lot of different masks through the years, but with the same familiar goal.
As an aside, for Catholics especially there is a great CD on St. Maximilian Kolbe at Lighthouse Catholic Media on his battle against the Communists and Masons of the time, who at first presented themselves very much like Antifa then rolling into full blown political take-overs, later he gave his life to save a man in Auschwitz. He also ran an newspaper and Shortwave radio station (call sign SP3RN) and is the patron Saint of Hamm radio.
Well, if that were the case there wouldn't be over a thousand different protestant denominations, so that's not entirely true.
However, you are right about praying to Jesus. For any individual soul, the most important thing is praying to Jesus and praying constantly without ceasing. Jesus so wants each and every one of us to lift up our souls to him.
Why didn't Benedict or a "good pope" clean house and get rid of all those people?
Also what power did they have over Benedict to force him to resign?
Benedict did clean house as well as he could but huge banking scandals and worse, sexual scandals take time to unravel.
Also, Benedict has always been more of a scholar and not really a people person. He was viciously attacked from the beginning of his time. Remember, even TIME Magazine had a cover of him in which they called him "hitler's Pope" and Jews world wide went into a frenzy because they said he didn't apologize enough for being part of the Hitler Youth when he was 14. Benedict said he didn't join Hitler Youth willingly but that he was signed up and thus avoided the punishments in Nazi Germany for not being part of the Nazi party. Benedict has maintained that his Catholic Youth Director at his Catholic parish signed all the boys up for the Hitler Youth because he was afraid for them. Yet, Jews went nuts over it as if Benedict was a) an adult and b) a ring leader of the holocaust. To make matters worse, every lefty bishop in the world immediately started saying crap about Benedict and undermining him as best they could.
How the St.Gellan's mafia got Benedict XVI to resign? I don't know. In my opinion, I'm unsure of what a papal resignation/abdication means in this case. I don't know.
Thanks for the details! I'm not catholic so I didn't know any of that. (except some of the media attacks on Benedict)
That plus the tremendous embezzlement going on - the same infiltrators carrying on perversions were pilfering the accounts. Think “Hillary and Bill” having infiltrated church instead of state.
I was raised a catholic, than spent my teens and twenties believing in a creator/divine power.
In my late 20’s, prayer to an unknown god lead me to scripture passages from the strangest ways. After spending some time in the Bible, I found that lots of teaching from the church was in direct contradiction with the word of god. I’m not one to preach, but putting men between us and god is not what he wants for us. He calls us to call no one father but me. He calls us to have a personal relationship with him.
For Catholics taking issue with Francis, may be good time to open the Bible and get the story unadultered.
Just like I wouldn’t advise anyone to take the message of the constitution from their polisci professor, I wouldn’t advise anyone to take the message of god from the Catholic Church.
All in love, nothing here intended to be offensive or demeaning, although that is how my family takes my opinion on this.
What did the early christians do for 400 years before the books of the bible were confirmed?
And it seems you trust the catholic church on which books belong in the bible but fail to recognize any other authority that christ may have given them
You might want to ask the Eastern Orthodox Churches to answer these questions for you.
We are talking about the first few hundred years, not the year 1000
Are you honestly saying the Eastern Orthodox Churches were Roman Catholics before the split? Did they just magically appear in the year 1052?
I like the part of the Bible where the people who were compiling it hundreds of years after the events depicted left out any letters or other records that make mention of Peter’s authority being passed on to a “second pope” or even implying that that was a thing that Christ wanted. And then also didn’t mention the dozens of other “popes“ that came after that and just told the people the pope is in charge because tradition. Sure the scriptures did establish two leadership positions for local congregations, being elders and deacons, and listed requirements for both positions including being married to one woman and having your children and household well managed, but we can just ignore the scriptures and have unmarried and childless bishops, cardinals, and popes because tradition. Jesus said call no man father but God, and that only God is worthy of being called good, so why not call the pope holy father, that’s completely different so it must be ok.
Sarcasm aside, catholic tradition has been all over the place over the last 1500 years and has frequently directly contradicted scripture. Nadab and Abihu tried to worship in a way that deviated from how they were told to by offering up “strange fire” and they died, Moses struck the rock instead of speaking to it and was denied entry to the promised land, one of the prophets was eaten by a lion because he didn’t immediately leave the area like he was told, and scriptures say that let any who add to or take away from the gospel to be accursed even if it is an angel, but we think it’s okay to directly contradict scripture because it’s tradition to do so? If the Scriptures say if you believe and repent of your sins and be immersed in water to be baptized as a symbolic death, burial, and resurrection/ rebirth to receive the forgiveness of sins, how does that make it ok to sprinkle water onto babies who lack the mental maturity to believe in God, let alone commit any sins just because that became tradition because they didn’t want anyone getting baptized to catch a cold and die immediately afterwards (can’t have people die and go straight to heaven before having the opportunity to backslide).
The only way to God is through Jesus Christ his son, who intercedes on our behalf, but the catholic church teaches to pray to the dead in heaven because God and Jesus are too important and busy to listen to us directly, and if their prayers are answered they give credit to the saints for passing on the message. That is blasphemy. The Bible shows the dead 3 times: Samuel’s spirit being summoned by the witches to give Saul advice, Lazarus in Abraham’s bosom, and the martyrs calling to god for justice. None of those times show the dead praying for us on our behalf like we can do for others (or vice versa) while we are alive. Samuel is annoyed, Abraham is indifferent, Lazarus is seemingly oblivious (the rich man is ineffectual), and the martyrs have other priorities. None of those examples look like Johnny Cochran asking for his guilty client to be acquitted to me. Jesus is our advocate, pray to him. If the answer to your prayer is yes or no, give God the Glory.
At The Last Supper, Jesus broke bread and said this is my body that will be broken for you and this wine is my blood, but that in no way means that the bread and wine they shared that night was supernaturally transformed into actual flesh and blood. He was telling the apostles that he was going to be given over to the Pharisees to be killed because that was God’s plan and was necessary to fulfill the Covenant God made with Abraham who offered up his own son to God, but like many other times, he had to explain himself afterward because they didn’t understand what he meant. He asked us to break bread and share the fruit of the vine like they did that night as an act of remembrance, but when we do so the bread and juice is not transformed into his flesh and blood. The only mystery involved here is why it became mainstream to believe in sudden cannibalism for no stated purpose. Christ’s body was broken and he shed his blood while being offered up as a sacrifice for the forgiveness of our sins (that’s the miracle), but he never implies in any way that we have our sins forgiven when we eat his flesh and drink his blood during communion, because it is just bread and juice.
What is your interpretation of John 6:66? You say that there is no reason to assume that the bread and wine became jesus. If that's the case there is also no reason to assume it doesn't!
At least the catholics point to John 6:66 as proof as to why we believe it actually does become jesus
John 6:25-66
Jesus tells a group of people that have followed him that they don’t follow him because they saw him perform miracles, but because he gave them bread. He tells them that God sent down manna from heaven to feed Moses and the Jews leaving Egypt but it was only bread and all those men have since died. Jesus tells the people that God has sent down a new type of bread, that he is that bread and those who eat his flesh will have eternal life. The people do not understand, so Jesus later tells his apostles that the flesh is worth nothing but it is the the spirit that is important. Those who believe Jesus’s words and follow his teachings will have eternal life.
He said unless you eat if my body and drink of my blood you will not be saved. And no one is claiming that it is actually turning physically into the body and the blood but that it is changing spiritually.
Why would he lose so many followers if he was just speaking in a loose spiritual way about it?
It’s late so I’ll copy/paste a response I gave already
John 6:25-66
Jesus tells a group of people that have followed him that they don’t follow him because they saw him perform miracles, but because he gave them bread. He tells them that God sent down manna from heaven to feed Moses and the Jews leaving Egypt but it was only bread and all those men have since died. Jesus tells the people that God has sent down a new type of bread, that he is that bread and those who eat his flesh will have eternal life. The people do not understand, so Jesus later tells his apostles that the flesh is worth nothing but it is the the spirit that is important. Those who believe Jesus’s words and follow his teachings will have eternal life. The bread and wine never change in anyway
The catholic church is a business, always has been, their big thing is marketing.
For example, each time they came across a tradition, a belief that held sway with a group, they absorbed it: virgin birth, check. multiple beings in one, check. symbols such as trees, eggs, rabbits, check. Holidays, check.
They are not a religion, they are a business and that is all they are. And not an especially nice business at that.
If you believe in Jesus, follow his words in your heart and deeds. End of.
they mostly listened to teachers, and if the teachers started teaching a different message than they had been taught, they either split off ith the teacher, or forced the teacher to leave. See Orthodox Christianity for an example.
Not how it happened. Pure ignorance.
The first generation of Christians all had at least one Gospel and one Epistle. There was never any doubt as to what was sacred, except for the apocalypse.
"Catholic" for what it means now didn't exist until the great schism of 1054.
False. EO wants nothing to do with Rome's self glorification. Catholic = Rome.
The other 4 churches don't have the dark history Rome does, but in humility they do recognize they aren't complete without unity of all 5.
The Orthodox Church split off from Rome in 1054 supposedly over the filioque clause (translated: "and the son") in the creed but it was actually political. Constantinople was rival as the secular capital of the world with Rome and so they thought they should also be the religious capital of the world.
It wasn't "all political." By 1054 the Church of the East had long been distinct from the Church of the West. Probably for hundreds of years.
The leaders of both ex-communicated each other in 1054. The split was initially language, greek vs latin. It was also geographical; travel was abruptly stopped by Muslims.
It became theological, and no church other than Rome ever went along with the pope nonsense.
"The Church" is the body of Christ. It has nothing to do with what man has created. You would know this if you read the Bible.
Some people will live forever.
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
That's also in the Bible you don't read.
I’m not a catholic, and what I’ve been taught is that when Jesus said, “upon this rock I will build my church”, he was referring to Peter’s confession that Jesus is the son of God.
Martin Luther had very specific problems that were ignored by the church even though they were completely legitimate. He didn’t want to splinter the church.
Um, the Orthodox Church is a thang, man. And they say the Catholic Church with its definition of a Pope is in error.
Also, Jesus did not create the Church. His followers created the church, which is all the believers.
Jesus builds the Church.
We Catholics MADE the Bible, prot.
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This is also false. Stolen valor.
This is all absolutely false and sheer ignorance. The council of Nicea had an itinerary. We know what it was. "Deciding what would be included" wasn't part of it.
There are lists demonstrating NT Canon was settled circa 180.
What writings they excluded?
The vast number of beligerant atheists and agnostics I know grew up in Catholic homes. That religion has spawned more non believers with chips on their shoulders than I can count.
That's not to say the church hasn't done some good and there aren't good catholics. I've known quite a few of those, too. But I've never seen other denominations flip people quite the way Catholicism does.
That is because Catholicism is immutable. Want to use birth control? It’s a sin. Want to live with your girlfriend? Sin. Masturbation? Sin. Porn? Sin. Getting drunk? Sin. Abortion? Sin. Tired of your wife and get a divorce then remarry? Sin. Any of these will get you in big trouble with God - that is the truth. People don’t like the truth so they run from it to Protestantism which says “believe in Christ and you are saved” which is a lie. Judas believed in Christ. So did Satan. It takes more than faith to be acceptable to God - and the Catholic Church rightfully teaches that difficult truth.
This is a misrepresentation, and I can't decide if it's a malicious, or ignorant misrepresentation.
Therefore, as a brother in Christ, I am going to school you, so that your feet will be once again set on the right path.
There's more. But not only have you misrepresented the scriptural position, but you are simply wrong in your underlying theology. God bless.
EDIT: How ironic, downvoted for posting scripture in response to someone that asserts Protestants "don't like the truth"
All three of your examples are works.
Professions are works.
Confessions are works.
Exaltations are works.
Did the Good Samaritan tell the victim of the robbers “I believe in Christ!!!” and walk away? Christ gave this parable to show how to follow the Great Commandment that was necessary for salvation.
God bless.
That's exactly the point.
The idea that Protestantism is just "believe and you're saved" is a strawman. The Bible clearly teaches that our salvation is based on our relationship with Christ. Which is to say, the state of our heart, married with the state of our actions. "What does God require of us? Right Action".
Um, I think Christians know they may fail, but strive to be Christlike.
Confessing to a priest is nothing compared to confessing to god.
If you love god, you don’t want to let him down.
I haven’t been to a church that promotes abortion, adultery, etc as acceptable.
There are all types of churches out there that call themselves Christian.
Any teaching that deviates from or alters the word of god is addressed in the Bible, and those that intentionally do so will be dealt with by the judge himself.
Ummm most Protestants allow birth control do they not? Most of those work after conception........ Maybe I am not informed though
You are incorrect. Hormonal birth control prevents ovulation (releasing an egg from the ovary), so there is no possibility for conception in the cycle.
Starting on a tangent, To my knowledge, the Bible does not mandate any certain positions or ways of having sex with your spouse or forbid sex for pleasure. We are given these rules regarding sex: No incest, no rape, no homosexuality, No bestiality, no premarital sex, and no adultery. We are told not to lust after those who are not our spouse, so just lust after your spouse and you are fine. I can think of a passage that many people point to as saying masturbation is a sin, but the man in that passage was not by himself but actually with his dead brother’s wife. The custom in those days (local tradition, not biblical commandment as far as a know), was if a man died without children then his brother would lay with the window and get her pregnant and it would be considered as the dead brothers child to carry on “his” bloodline, and for matters of inheritance. But the man in the passage pulled out and “spilled his seed on the ground” instead of giving his sister-in-law a child. So a lot of stuff going on there, but not actually masturbation.
So in general, the rule is don’t have sex outside of marriage, be fruitful and multiply, and children are a blessing from the lord. I‘m not the best bible scholar, but I can’t think of any scriptures that cover birth control, and neither science or the Bible tells us the exact moment when life begins, wether it is at conception, at some point during the pregnancy, or at birth, so I would advise its better to be safe and use a condom/ birth control that prevents conception than to find out at the judgement that you have accidentally and unintentionally committed murder.
Agreed and it's position to try and be the church of nice and Bend the rules these last few decades is what is causing people to leave the church. Leftists took over and we need to pray and reclaim the church. Make the Catholic Church great again by going back to the traditional Church that stayed strong for almost 2 millennia onlyto be on the decline in half century starting with Vatican II . We need a strong conservative Church teaching the truth and not trying to make people happy with their sins and Bend over backwards to be liked. The only role of priests and bishops is to try and bring as many to salvation as possible. Not to allow homo marriages and birth control (which is no different than abortion in many cases as it kills a featured egg after conception) to make people and the leftist media like them more.
Condoms don't kill an egg. Neither does the pill. This is an odd stance, that most Catholics reject Rome's teaching about.
Other than that, GREAT post!
Most of the examples I have actually have been around longer than the Catholic Church.
The reason people leave the Catholic Chirch is because they think they know better than Christ and follow sects created by men.
Huh... I’d say the exact opposite, But I dont see the gain in a philosophical discussion knocking the church in front of the unchurched.
I think comment above is 180 degrees off, but were still all brothers and sisters in Christ.
Prayer to god for clarity in these issues may do us all good.
False, God knows man is not perfect because God can find deffects even in Angels, and Jesus tells us that nobody saves themselves by their own virtue. Nobody goes to the father if not through the son.
Even in the 10 commandments we dont see all the rules that catholics came up with. No masturbation? Thats basically a function of the human body.
So nobody is saved by themselves and their silly rules. Jesus says if there's one rule then love God above else and your neighbour as yourself.
To love God is to follow His commandments.
How do we follow His commandments?
Where does it say that we can’t punch our wife if we want to?
Where does it say we shouldn’t drink to excess?
Where does it say not to look at pornography?
There is a depth to the commandments that closed minds fail to realize, and it is essential that there be an authoritative source for the interpretation of the commandments for all ages that mankind can look to to aid him in his journey towards God. Christ knew this and left an authority of earth to guide mankind to heaven.
“And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.” St Matthew 16:18-19 DRC1752 https://www.bible.com/55/mat.16.18-19.drc1752
Sorry I wasn't replying to you, I was replying to the guy who said masturbation was evil. It's true we need to obey the commandments from God but it's very dangerous to try to interpret them on our own and then enforce them on others. We shouldn't judge.
""Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."
In this world we're free to do anything and Jesus taught us that we do not save ourselves by following commandments but trough him. This means we have to do the best we can and believe in him. Love God and love your neighbour but we shouldn't try to be righteous in your own eyes.
"Everything is permissible for me"--but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me"--but I will not be mastered by anything. "Food for the stomach and the stomach for food"--but God will destroy them both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body."
"Don’t be impressed with your own wisdom. Instead, fear the LORD and turn away from evil."
I believe that you mistake the behavior of a few horrendous men to mean that the Catholic Church is a failure in teaching the faith.
Well, I took your advice and opened that Bible and saw that Christ, despite 1/12th of His foundling church betray Him to death on a cross - He did not abandon it and still gave the Apostles the mandate to make disciples of all nations.
I guess if Christ can see the beauty of His church despite bad men then maybe I should be like Christ and do the same.
Hi, thank you for sharing your life experience. I do like to troll, but these are sincere questions for you based upon your post above. I don’t have a lot of opportunity to ask real thinking Catholics questions that seems a i local to me. When you have three minutes, I’d love to get your take on in some things I’ve seen that don’t make sense to me.
Do you believe the church alone can forgive sins through confession?
Do you believe a man/ priest can actually make bread and wine into blood and flesh or do you think it’s symbolic?
Do you believe in purgatory?
Do you believe Mary was a virgin her whole life, or just prior to Jesus’ birth?
Do you believe dead people can intercede with god on our behalf? (Praying to saints?)
You aren’t replying to me but I am happy to answer your questions:
The church cannot forgive sins - only God can - but God gave the authority to His church to bind or loose sins on earth - and that a sin forgiven on earth is forgiven in heaven.
“And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.” St Matthew 16:19 DRC1752 https://www.bible.com/55/mat.16.19.drc1752
The bread and wine become the true body and blood of Jesus Christ.
“For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him. As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father; so he that eateth me, the same also shall live by me. This is the bread that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead. He that eateth this bread, shall live for ever. These things he said, teaching in the synagogue, in Capharnaum. Many therefore of his disciples, hearing it, said: This saying is hard, and who can hear it?” St John 6:56-61 DRC1752 https://www.bible.com/55/jhn.6.56-61.drc1752
This is not symbolism - Jesus made it clear that it was His flesh and Blood - so much so that He lost many followers that would not accept it. The transubstantiation during the consecration is what truly sets the Catholic Church apart - we got it, Protestants don’t.
I believe in Purgatory. Tell me, where did Moses go after he died and before Christ redeemed us? He wasn’t in heaven because Christ needed to die for us first. They weren’t in hell because they weren’t damned... so where were they?
Mary was a virgin from birth until death. Before you try to tell me Christ had siblings watch this very informative video that outlines why that is a lie perpetrated by enemies of the truth.
https://youtu.be/X5KMKOkkMgU
You don’t believe that the souls of the dead can intercede for us? I mean if someone is in hell then yeah they can’t. But those in heaven surely can.
“And he was transfigured before them. And his face did shine as the sun: and his garments became white as snow. And behold there appeared to them Moses and Elias talking with him.” St Matthew 17:2-3 DRC1752 https://www.bible.com/55/mat.17.2-3.drc1752
Apparently Moses and Elias could be talked to after they were dead. If that is so then why not any of the other saints?
I hope this clears up some of the questions you might have based on the fact that most Catholic Church opponents are Sola Scriptura.
Funny thing about sola scriptura: there are 5 solas. It's a misnomer to use the word sola / alone.
Today this causes needless division. Fortunately nobody's killed each other over the RC / Pr split for a while.
Do you believe the church alone can forgive sins through confession? Only God has the power to forgive sins. Jesus lended the authority to act on his behalf to the apostles, and told them that any sins they forgive are forgiven and any sins they retain are retained. Priests were given the authority, through Christ, to forgive sins. It's biblical.
Do you believe a man/ priest can actually make bread and wine into blood and flesh or do you think it’s symbolic? Only through God is this mystery possible. We do not believe that the priest alone transfigures the host into the body, blood, soul, and divinity of jesus. But only through the will of God does it happen. Do you not believe that God has the power to allow that to happen if he wanted to?
Do you believe in purgatory? Yes. Coincidentally, the books that martin luther and the protestants removed from the old testament actually contain the strongest evidence for purgatory. Funny how that works.
Do you believe Mary was a virgin her whole life, or just prior to Jesus’ birth? Mary is the new arc of the covenant. The arc of the covenant was only permitted to hold the ten commandments and other select items. Therefore, Mary was made as the pure and only vessel for Christ. If mary had other children, why would Christ tell John to care for her while he was on the cross? Jesus was her only child and her care was given to John when jesus died. Again, it's biblical.
Do you believe dead people can intercede with god on our behalf? (Praying to saints?) There is a difference between worship prayer and prayer for intercession. When we pray to the saints it is no different than asking your friend or grandmother to pray to God on your behalf. Wouldn't you want the most holy men and women of all time to also be praying to God to help with you struggles? The bible says that the prayer of a righteous man is indeed more powerful.
You propagate a falsehood here: Martin Luther included the deutero-canon. Rumor haa it that it was later removed to cut down on printing coats. It's plausible: it might even be true. Idk.
Thank you
These were all well written, thanks.
According to Catholicism:
There are three ways deadly sins (mortal sins, reference 2 John) can be forgiven: a) Sacramental Baptism, b) perfect contrition as opposed to attrition, the difference being perfect contrition is sorrow for sin solely and purely out of love for God whereas attrition is sorrow because of a desire to escape hell or because of Earthly calamity brought about because of the sin, and c) The sacrament of confession to a priest who takes the place of Christ "whoever sins are forgiven are forgiven for whatever you loose on Earth will be loosed in heaven and whatever is bound on Earth will be bound in heaven." Jesus said this to the Apostles before he ascended into heaven. He was telling the Apostles and their successors they had this power, not everyone.
Catholicism states that the bread and wine both become the body, blood, soul and divinity and appear as if they are bread and wine. Also, the wine isn't just the blood of Christ and the bread isn't just the body of Christ. Both wine and bread are equally body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus Christ. "the crowd began to walk away and the apostles asked him to take back what he had said and Jesus said to them I have said what I have said" What did Jesus say right before that...He said "unless you eat of my flesh and drink of my blood, you shall not have eternal life." The symbolism of communion, the body and blood, was in the OT when Jews ate the pascal lamb and drained it of it's blood and the priests threw it against the altar. Jesus however IS the pascal lamb. The symbolism which anticipated Jesus was fulfilled in Jesus' passion, death and resurrection.
Purgatory first appears in Maccabees when Judas Maccabeus tells his soldiers after the victorious battle to pray for the souls of the dead soldiers because they were wearing amulets which is idolatry. If it did no good to pray for the dead, then why would Judas Maccabeus tell his soldiers to pray for the dead? if they were in heaven, they were already saved. If they were in hell, then they were already lost. The inference is that there is a place of purgation in which those who die with sin on their soul can be purged of those sins. Jesus said, unless you are as perfect as the heavenly father is perfect, you cannot enter the Kingdom of God. Jesus wasn't exaggerating and therefore there has to be a place of purgation because most of us are unworthy. "many are called. few are chosen."
Mary was not only a virgin but she is also the Immaculate Conception. She is the only human being, other than Jesus to be born without original sin. She was spared the stain of Adam's sin because of the anticipated merits of Christ. Why was Mary spared this? Because GOD could not be born of a woman and become man to someone who had any stain of offense against God. Although the Son is divine and of the trinity, his human nature was created and the co-creator, along with God, of his human person was Mary. Mary, his mother, wasn't a suitcase for fetus Jesus but a principle of his very being and existence, just like your mother is the progenitor of your being.
Catholics believe in the communion of saints: a) The Church Triumphant are those saints and angels in heaven. b) The Church suffering are those souls in purgatory that can't help themselves but as some Catholic theologians believe - and I do as well - can help us on Earth and c) the Church militant who are fighting the spiritual warfare against the evil one and his unholy hoarde. When one dies and is good enough to enter purgatory or exceptional enough to go directly to heaven, they do not have their hearts and minds wiped clean but rather feel more than we do on Earth because they see all as it is spiritually. A dead parent or sibling sees us all the more and with far greater love and wish for mercy on us. We can thus ask them for help. All the more those saints in heaven for they want God's plan realized more than any of us on Earth and desire salvation for us more than we do ourselves. Lukes writes of Lazarus the beggar "and the rich man saw Lazarus the beggar and said give me some water, just a drop for I am thirsty and it is terribly hot down here. Lazarus replied, I sat outside your home and the dogs licked my wounds and I would have been happy to eat the crumbs that fell from your table but you gave me nothing so I will give you nothing. The rich man said to Lazarus, let me go warn my brothers and sisters so they will not end up like me. Abraham responded No, they have Moses and the prophets. if they do not listen to Moses and the prophets, why would they listen to you. Abraham said a great chasm is between the beggar and Lazarus and Lazarus cannot cross it to give the rich man water.
Re: asking for ancients to pray with you ("praying to Saints," with modern language that phrase doesn't work)
The Catholics here have skipped the meat of the issue: "the fellowship of the Saints." It's a beautiful concept, and entirely Scriptural. AND entirely Catholic! A good way of understanding this is if you had a real dilemma, didn't know what to do, couldn't do what needed to be done, couldn't even pray about it. Now let's say you happen to be part of a good Church. It'd be a good idea to get them to help you. Now let's say that one person in your Church is known for having experience and success with your particular dilemma. You'd probably be more comfortable confiding in that person. You'd probably want to discuss it with them, and they'd probably have worthwhile things to say.
And they'd probably turn the discussion to prayer, and pray WITH you. And it would help!
Jesus lives, today. As do former Church members, from His day to ours. This concept stems from Judaism, which holds that all who participate in Passover do so together with the first. Let us keep the feast!
The fellowship of the Saints is a beautiful concept :)
I had the opportunity to visit the Vatican while in college. The display of wealth in the gardens, the museum with each Pope's hat, staff, gold-embroidered robes was shocking to me. However, right outside the walls of this city, the Italians hung their laundry on clotheslines across the alleyways from their apartments, the streets stank of urine, and bus transportation across the city was 50 lira (250 lira within the Vatican). It was beautiful, but did not give me a good feeling about the benevolence of this church. Just my opinion...
If such things like gardens and art are that upsetting, if they occurred in a vacuum that would be accurate. It's true in the past there were people, including popes, who used their position for their own personal financial benefit. Hasn't been that way for a long time. What mostly you see is from centuries ago or from modern era artists/benefactors who want to give to their church.
When I say not in a vacuum, it's an important point. No other institution in history has done as much charitable work or helped the poor as much, for instance.
Like I said... my opinion, and certainly not in a vacuum. I agree with the post.
Don't forget about comminusm. I think the Vatican even have Chinese security force there for some reason.
It's swiss because they are neutral
Convert to Orthodox.
The cardinals of the papacy voted for him.
Then they burn the ballots.
If the smoke is black, the ink was wet.
If the smoke is white, the ink was dry.
What does "believe in the papacy" mean?
Even Jesus had an apostle that betrayed him. We are human and therefore sinners. This is why paying for the Pope is what I do everyday.. there have been many bad pipes but the church survived. This war on the church has been predicted and we have been given a sure outcome..... The forces of evil will not win against Jesus's Church
Autocorrect strikes again! It's really humorous. You pay for the Pope everyday? Oh do you ever.
There have been many bad pipes? What an organist would blame playing wrong notes on, lol.
Lol. It's worse when I type emails for work. Ohh I should learn to read before sending....
Part of the reason I love this place: a year or two ago, the best humor to be found was via auto-correct. Everybody was so afraid of sjws nobody would joke.
Here? Not affected by that nonsense.
I just thought that Christ was the foundation of Christianity; not the Pope.
This is the answer!
I hope you get a devout Catholic pope soon, friend.
Vigano?
This
Plus he probably is gay for young boys...
Philip 4 of France killed the templars as Satanists and installed his own pope in France. I always thought he was a crazy power hungry tyrant, but now I think he was ahead of his time... He got assassinated.
Maybe it started good but it became the first multinational bank. Power corrupts...
I thought they were the guys Indians Jones vanquished
The Pope, Benedict XVI, is most definitely Christian. I don't know who the clown in the picture is...
Even pope John Paul 2 has all other religions pray in the Vatican... That was heresy... All pipes since Vatican 2 have led to the decline of the church
No he isn't. He's merely a "false pope". He isn't the first one and he won't be the last,
Because the Devil doesn't stop dancing until the final horn is sounded in the Last Battle.
What is the prediction?
Says the guy with his own personal army. maybe his gaurd would like to trade their rifles for dildos then?
This is the irony. I suppose he thinks Christians should just be good victims? Hasn't worked out to well so far.
YOUR GUNS FIRST DOPE FAUXCIS!
Atheism has pretty much the same moral teachings as Christianity..
Wasnt the Bolsheviks mostly jews? All religions has commited attrocities..
Many Jews are cultural/ethnic jews. Religiously many jews identify as atheists or are actually atheists.
Most anti-Christians wrongly think the purpose of Christianity is to teach morality. Worse, many Christians take that bait and engage on that level.
Proverbs is the only book of the Bible that teaches on morality much at all. It's designed for small children. Even it quickly goes deeper than just recognizing right from wrong.
The Beautitudes are pretty much where the NT starts, and turn any possible human concept of morality on its head.
Yeah, it's okay for him to have guns to protect himself, but it's not okay for anyone else.
I Don't believe this pope is Christian but this isn't a real story. It's propaganda. He does enough anti Christian stuff we don't need to make it up.
It's meme sized, but pretty accurate...
"Do we really want peace? Then let’s ban all weapons so we don’t have to live in fear of war."
https://twitter.com/Pontifex/status/990553785415200773
"It makes me think one thing: people, leaders, entrepreneurs who call themselves Christians, and manufacture arms! This gives rise to some mistrust: they call themselves Christians! “No, no, Father, I don’t manufacture them, no, no…. I only have my savings, my investments in arms factories”. Ah! And why? “Because the interest is somewhat higher…”. And being two-faced is common currency today: saying something and doing another. Hypocrisy….
…There is that hypocrisy of speaking of peace and producing arms, and even selling arms to this one who is at war with that one, and to that one who is at war with this one!"
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pope-francis-gun-owners/
I've seen all of these statements before. They are taken out of context and do not reflect the implied sentiment in this fake news headlines. Also the pope is a joke.
He didn’t say it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QwR3AV-Rkxc
I am a Christian. I own at least a dozen guns.
Sadly, they are now all at the bottom of a muddy lake. But they still belong to me.
This is the answer.
We're not being cute anymore.
local shooting range after work on Fridays, every county. Do it. Yesterday.
I keep 5 by my bed side, 7 mags, and a bible.
The pope can fuck himself.
I do believe the Pope actually can NOT do that, it being physically impossible. ;)
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!
This is the way.
was it a "boating accident"? it's a strange phenomenon, dozens of my friends and I had the same misfortune.
Boating accident. It happens.
I have firearms in Minecraft
I don’t have any guns, but if I did I know I would just lose them again in some freak volcano accident.
The Pope is a totalitarian marxist. He's a heretic and should be dealt with accordingly.
Doesn't say that in the Bible
Was it the bible that said sell your stuff so you can buy a sword, or am I mistaking it with something else?
And it was Christ himself who spoke these words.
Jesus > Pope
And that's how we MAGA. So much to be thankful for today.
The apostles also say they have two swords. Jesus doesn't say "weapons are forbidden" he says "it is enough"
By the way a growing number of faithful Catholics believe Benedict was forced to resign and under Canon law that resignation is invalid, ergo Francis is not pope, Benedict still is.
Ok ya sure and I keep re reading it but I can’t find any info on an ar-15. Edit: sarcasm geez lol
A sword has only 1 purpose- to do combat with other men. It is not a hunting weapon, nor is it a work tool. The Bible is unambiguous here. The AR-15 can at least be used to hunt, a weapon which some could argue would give plausible deniability as to what Jesus is saying to do. A sword has no such utility.
I was joking but clearly messed up. I’m big 2A guy. I’ll eat the downvotes it’s good
I gotchu fam.
thanks fren
Whenever I sarcasm here as well, people pitch a fit. It's a shame that life has become so freaking strange that sarcasm is indistinguishable from real life
Damn I went to eat turkey and find out nobody could sense my sarcasm lol
Sorry, all of my blood is in my intestines digesting good food and left none for my brain.
I feel that!
I like Matthew 10:34 as well.
And herein lies the problem with and the benefit of Catholicism (depending on your point of view): The holy texts don't matter. Some guy with a funny hat can just make shit up as he goes and call it the word of god. Think for yourselves people, a central authority figure without checks is an open invitation for corruption. The sheer number of degenerate and corrupt popes attests to that.
I hear your point, but I believe it is a misrepresentation. Catholic teaching (to my knowledge) does not proclaim that everything that every pope says is the word of God. 'Papal infallibility' -> ex cathedra "speaking from the chair" is the only time that the word of the pope is infallible. It has happened only once since 1870.
He also didn’t say it.
In 2015, Francis said people who manufacture and sell weapons of war created "mistrust" if they also call themselves Christians; he also said that those who defended their financial investments in the weapons industry were engaging in "hypocrisy."
He kinda did.
This is more relevant to the MIC than to individual gun owners.
"The meek will inherit the Earth"
"Meek," being defined as, "those with swords who keep them sheathed."
Owning a weapon and hoping to never use it is litrlerally peak Christianity.
Based and Christpilled
Aka, silent majority.
"What does God require of us? Right Action".
THE POPE IS A CHILD MOLESTER.
BETA POPE
He's a pedophile. Jeebus, can't anybody think of another and better descriptive term but "faggot"? It's 12 year olds in here. He's an asshole. He's Satan's spawn. He's a globalist fake. He's the anti-Christ.
I use “faggot” as a catch-all for many insults
Yea, me too. It's kind of a generic works for everything term.
It has such a nice ring to it though
You're right. He's a smooth brained faggot.
That's an improvement. The art of insult is portant. "The Devil's Dingleberry." or "Baphomet's Buttboy"...
Papal pinata?
Protestant Pede laughs in the face of Papist Bullshit.
Lutheran Pede laughs at brother in law teaching at medieval seminary when he tries to defend the “infallibility” of papist Bullshit.
It's a cult. Not a religion. Christians are religious Catholics are ritualistic and cult like. I know I'm gonna get people defending in here because they may be Catholics. But I don't care. I have left a church before because I don't agree with the progressive bullshit they tried preaching instead of the word of God.
Leftists run everything
Several Orthodox churches are older than the Roman church.
Looking at the history of the Roman church will reveal why someone would look at it as some sort of cult or paganistic church. The reason for this is that Roman beliefs were replaced with Christianity in order to speed up the conversion of the Roman empire. Demi gods became Saints. Festivals for the agricultural gods were repurposed for Christian uses.
I would say that RegularAmerican's assessment is blunt and unhelpful. A better description of Catholic dogma is it's a lot of added bs that really doesn't seem necessary. It is very ritualistic, but that gives a sense of tradition that a lot of people appreciate.
Do I know the correct answer? Nope. If you like Catholicism, then you go be your bad self.
I did grow up in the Armenian Apostolic church which stopped communicating with Rome in the early 6th century because of the dispute of monophysitism. I like how your understanding of Christianity is so narrow you think it all started in Europe.
There were different flavours of Christianity before and alongside Catholicism. The latter was just the extension of Romain state religion.
Cultist is the attitude of following people with funny hats over scripture or divinity. It's when the believer stops thinking for themselves. Access to power and worldly wealth have corrupted the church immediately, hence why church and state ought to be separated.
And on this site, we wanna keep energy high and faggotry low. Passive aggressiveness and pearl clutching are peak faggotry.
I call it cute. Also funny, because you already demonstrated to be not too learned on the topic, hence the humbling you received.
Hmmmmm, doesn’t the Vatican have an Army? And aren’t they armed??? I think having the bullet proof Pope Mobile is Hypocritical given such a dumb ass statement like that!!! Show us how it’s done buddy!!! It’s time to end tax free status for these churches! They are behind the new world order!
The full quote:
It makes me think one thing: people, leaders, entrepreneurs who call themselves Christians, and manufacture arms! This gives rise to some mistrust: they call themselves Christians! “No, no, Father, I don’t manufacture them, no, no…. I only have my savings, my investments in arms factories”. Ah! And why? “Because the interest is somewhat higher…”. And being two-faced is common currency today: saying something and doing another. Hypocrisy….
…There is that hypocrisy of speaking of peace and producing arms, and even selling arms to this one who is at war with that one, and to that one who is at war with this one! -Pope Francis
Pinochet missed one.
Pinochet was in the wrong country; he was Chilean. Jorge the goon here is Argentine, one of Chile’s arch rivals. And fittingly enough Jorge the Marxist false prophet was happy to pal around with the even more murderous Argentine junta by doing stuff like blessing the invasion of the Falklands.
MAGAunderrated comment.
No, this is what the Pope is like in Clown World
Here is the full quote:
It makes me think one thing: people, leaders, entrepreneurs who call themselves Christians, and manufacture arms! This gives rise to some mistrust: they call themselves Christians! “No, no, Father, I don’t manufacture them, no, no…. I only have my savings, my investments in arms factories”. Ah! And why? “Because the interest is somewhat higher…”. And being two-faced is common currency today: saying something and doing another. Hypocrisy….
…There is that hypocrisy of speaking of peace and producing arms, and even selling arms to this one who is at war with that one, and to that one who is at war with this one! -Pope Francis
He was referring to arms dealers selling guns to both sides in times of war.
So if I build an AR then I can't be Christian?
If I buy stock in a gun manufacturer I can't be Christian?
What a fag.
Within the context of the quote, he was referring to arms dealers selling guns to both sides in times of war. But I agree that there are a lot of anti 2a things that this pope has said, like when he said we should abolish all guns.
Does the same hold true for his body guards?
FakePope
This "pope" is a fraud. A wolf in sheep clothing.
This fake "pope" is literally contradicting Jesus of Nazareth himself.
Oh yes of course because nobody in the Bible ever needed to defend themselves
This, from the people who brought you the inquisition.
My wife was Catholic. Was. Anyone who still maintains that the Catholic Church is one of the Churches of Christ just is not paying attention.
How many idols has the church created? All the saints are nothing more than idols. Jesus is the one true person to emulate. None of the saints ever did a better job than Jesus did on anything.
Why is Mary apparently more important than Jesus Christ? Mother of God? Seriously? He called her woman.
You cannot earn your way into heaven. You are born into sin and your sin prevents you from attaining heaven. Only through the Grace of God and the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ your Lord can you attain heaven. No number of hail maries is going to get you there. No amount of charity or good deeds erases your failures.
But hey, feel free to be a member of a church where all the pedophile Senators, Congressmen and other government people attend if it makes you feel good, because that is about all it will ever get you.
I am a non-believer, but I respect adherence to a commonly chosen religious code and sticking to the holy texts far more than making shit up as one goes.
And neither can he.
you are correct.
This fake Pope could catch one and I wouldn't fucking give a shit... Not one bit.
Pokemon of course
As if he was the one to decide that.
Has he done anything about the Paedophiles yet ?
Yes. He's promoted them and concealed them.
Doing both takes talent.
Oh, but you can support abortion on demand up to the moment of birth like Biden and Pelosi and still be in communion with the Catholic Church? Nah, dawg.
It's quite obvious the catholic church has been taken over by globalist, this isn't even a catholic issue.
May God have mercy own his addled soul.
Speaking as a lifelong Catholic, fuck pope Frank.
Normally I would never think of showing a Catholic this, but the guy who makes this series of videos is sometimes hysterical:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QwR3AV-Rkxc
Fucking KEK
Fuck Frank :/
Not my pope! I still recognize Benedict and consider Francis an usurper.
Pope john paul the second was the best in my life so far.
Yes. I agree with you completely.
Well it is a good thing I am not Catholic so I don't have to listen to this moron or believe anything he says. Remember he is also the same fucktard who said that there were multiple paths to Heaven, directly contradicting the Word of God.... He is an idiot at best, the forerunner to the anti christ at worst.
At worst he could be the false prophet. Maybe the antichrist but prolly not
I’m Catholic and seriously I’m just like wtf is up with this Pope!! Not Christian!!! Evil!!
Fuck off pedo pope
Heretic pope.
"If you don't give up all your rights and let me fuck kids, you ain't Christian!”
We’ve had bad popes before, and we can add this one to the list.
What the hell is he on about? I'm a damn atheist and i'd make a better pope than him at this point. Almost everything he says and does is in direct defiance with what his religion would actually entail, and he doesn't even hold the word of his god in reverence when compared to pagan beliefs. Dude needs to step down, only kind of "holy" he represents is shit.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QwR3AV-Rkxc
The papacy has been corrupted...for decades
Centuries.
Millennia
The POPE is a Communist and can't be a CHRISTIAN.
Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
He hates JESUS and Despises GOD. He loves COMMUNISM and holds to SATAN.
... as he relies on armed guards to escort him in public.
Fuck the Pope
Pretty sure God didn't condemn guns or issue any commandments concerninh guns. Just sayin'
I'm a devout catholic and I will tell you now, real catholics can't stand the pope.
This dude is the antipope.
Jesus
I Timothy 5:8
For fuck sake. Can this guy go FIVE FUCKING MINUTES without scandalizing the catholic laity!?
I bet his armed Swiss guards are surprised to hear that they are no longer Christians.
They're not paid to be Christian.
Actually it is a condition of their being able to enroll in the corps that they be devout Catholics and unmarried.
Wow! Do you think that all these young mwn (in the Priesthood, too) being unmarried could lead to a problem? Somebody should look into that.
I've never heard of a problem with the Swiss guards honestly. Plus they are "retired" out of the service at around age 30 and then can do what they want including marry.
But aside from all that I find it disgusting that the Pope would condemn gun owners. Even though he probably doesn't own a gun himself he sure doesn't mind hiring people who do. Plus, he is technically the head of state of a government that has a small armed force. Not to mention that the Vatican bank holds large stock holding sin companies that make contraceptives, even while the church preaches against it.
As a Catholic and a gun owner I find this pope to be basically an antiPope.
Is the Pope Catholic? That's not supposed to be a trick question. Does the Catholic church sell contraceptives, or invest in it? Only slightly trickier. I mean, a 5 year old would need some explanation, and may not pay attention long enough to get it.
You might enjoy this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QwR3AV-Rkxc