I’m tired of seeing the idiot’s face in screencaps on youtube, and I’m really tired of msm acting like anyone should listen to or remotely respect someone so corrupt and illegitimate. I want him in jail. Now. And his wife. And his crackhead son. And his psycho VP
The Media are just hideous ghouls and they are done. Trump was the greatest thing to happen to them and like ghouls they ended up shitting on the table.
You're dead on, and to be honest, while I almost never have the TV on that much anymore for the news, I do still see it from time to time while at work, or my parents, or friends, etc., and I will go just one step further and say that to me, at least, it appears that the fucking media is beyond riding Biden's dick. It's insane. Obama, we all know how that was treated when he won, but now with Biden (who did not even win as we all know), it's as if Biden is some type of messianic figure. Just typing this is confusing as it's hard to fully put into words how the media is worshipping him every single chance that they get.
Oh my god I connect with this on a spiritual level. You have no idea how happy I’m going to be when their heads explode on Inauguration Day. They’ll 100% say it was stolen from them lmao
It's not flipping, its correcting and overwriting an intentionally erroneousness and fraudulent result. Just like when you take back what's rightfully yours from a thief, its not stealing back, it's lawfully repossessing.
I’m just finding out how many people actually eat ass and I don’t fucking get it. I don’t want anyone’s mouth near my ass and I don’t my mouth near anyone’s ass.
Poop comes outta there, you nasty ass eaters! I just don’t get it.
Edit: to the downvoted who eats ass, can you explain this to me? I seriously don’t get it.
He supposedly won the least number of counties in election history but the most total popular votes in history. That’s really all you need to know to realize this was impossible.
This is the kicker. As much as I hate Obama, there's no denying his star power among liberals. They fucking love the guy, and turned out to see him speak just like we turn out to see Trump speak. Obama was able to fill stadiums with leftists just like Trump is able to fill stadiums with Americans.
Joe Biden could barely muster up a few dozen people for his rally's. There is absolutely no way that Biden got more votes than Obama did.
It's crazy just how perfectly COVID could be used as an excuse to pull all of this off. Makes me question whether they just got really lucky, or if this was all planned. COVID allowed the democrats to:
Claim Trump is personally responsible for all "covid" deaths
Have an excuse for no one at the rallies with their "drive-in" CoViD sAfE rallies
Illegal mass mail-in ballots (BIG one)
Limit everyone's scope of reality to social media, which they could control
I mean, it's clear that at the very least Democrats weaponized COVID to give them the best chance of winning by using it as an excuse to override state election law and generate huge numbers of mail-in ballots.
Even if there was no centralized effort to miscount the votes or add extras, they knew their multicolored hair supporters would order ballots for their family, fill them out to get orange man out. They knew that a significant portion of those unsolicited ballots thsg were floating around out there would end up back at the counting facility, filled out for Biden. And we know they knew this because if they had even the slightest thought that such policies might benefit Trump, they would have been against them.
Yeah, I know... I've been on quite the conspiracy theory binge lately... turns out they've all pretty much been true. I wouldn't put anything past the deep state at this point. I just act like I'm not sure as I feel like people might discredit me as a crazy "conspiracy theorist", but I probably don't have to do that here. It's just hard in real life to bring these topics up with people. I shamefully used to be a conspiracy theorist "debunker", until I actually researched more, so I understand how people just write you off as crazy when you start talking about that stuff.
I just act like I'm not sure as I feel like people might discredit me as a crazy "conspiracy theorist"
That's probably the best approach. It's actually a pretty difficult thing, for example, to accept that we are quite literally letting people die right now. The rabbit hole goes so deep once you start pulling at that thread, that it's hard to come to terms with what appears to actually be happening, without seeming like a raving lunatic.
but I probably don't have to do that here.
Probably not, although some of us have achieved different levels of enlightenment: see the mask/vaccine discussions
It's just hard in real life to bring these topics up with people
It's a real struggle for me, too. People either see through the mainstream (mockingbird) media, or they live in that manufactured reality, in a mesmerized stupor. Waking up from that stupor is too painful (and a lot of work, trying to figure out what to believe), so the easy NPC shortcut is to shut down the whole discussion with "conspiracy theory", AKA wrongthink.
what appears to actually be happening, without seeming like a raving lunatic.
The further a truth is from mainstream, everyday-person thinking, the more the speaker of that truth looks like a raving lunatic.
However, truth is still truth, and it cares nothing about what some set of people think about, or how much they invalidly ridicule, some other person who speaks it.
Put sick people into elderly case / retirement homes to kill hundreds of thousands of senior citizens - who overwhelmingly vote Republican. Bonus that dead people tend to vote Democrat
destroy the economy, so that Trump can't claim credit for a great roaring American economy
make people unemployed and destroy business, because financially precarious people are more prone to voting left
I feel like you're underestimating the hate for Trump. Anybody and potentially more who were all in for Obama were likely in the camp of "I hate Biden, but I hate Trump more"
People hated Trump back in 2018 too. That’s what the blue wave was supposed to be. It didn’t pan out as big as they had hoped. Yeah they flipped the house but didn’t flip the senate and flipping the house required some questionable tactics (ballot harvesting) and possibly fraud.
Also if they voted on pure hate alone, they’d have swept the house races too. Biden got 80 million votes but all toss ups went to Republicans? C’mon man.
So yeah there is lots of hate for Trump but not enough to get 80 million votes.
This is what gets me the most... how the hell could Biden be outperforming Hillary by THIS margin. Trumps approval has only improved. Honestly I think totals were around 75M trump to 65-68 Biden.
That's pretty generous to Joe, and generous to the Democratic party, who almost certainly cheated a lot harder than that. I'd give Joe 50M votes at most. I really do think they created 30 million fake votes.
Sure, it does. But blue states produce the majority of the country's GDP. They can import food, the US already imports billions in food every year. I think if we make it to a red vs blue split then each side can make it, but the fantasy of blue states starving because red states cut them out is just that.
The US imports almost 2 billion in food every year. Blue states constitute more than half of the total GDP of the US. Blue states do not need the red for food.
I forgot the exact number, but Hillary won substantially more counties than Biden did in 2016. Nothing adds up. So many impossibilities and virtual impossibilities, such as say the one NFL team winning 20 straight superbowls.
It's as if a team were down by five touchdowns with two minutes to go, and then, after a water main supposedly burst in the stadium and most of the fans went home, scored five touchdowns and a safety as the fourth quarter inexplicably was extended to be several hours long. Then when that safety was scored, some guy in the press box "called" the game even though the referees hadn't said anything yet.
The press guy expects all the fans to leave and for the legitimate referees to just give up too, with the head coach of the team that had been winning "conceding" without playing the remaining minutes. All because the press "called" the game.
And just how many of those counties weren’t even actually won? Just like the several that were already found to have “accidentally” went all to Biden when they’ve been a historically red county.
I legitimately had a conversation with my cuck family today about this. They hate the EC anyway and said it doesn’t matter if Biden barely won 150 counties out of 3,000. It’s what the populace wants, clearly. How do you even talk to these people?
Someone the other day pointed out if you polled a gang rape 4/5 would say they liked it and agreed with the results. Whether it is right or wrong the majority spoke. Is that how our country should be run?
“A popular vote is like 2 wolfs and a sheep arguing what’s for dinner”
So all these cities vote one way. While the rest of the country feeds and provides for them.
Wall off the cities. They won’t last a few weeks. Everywhere else would barely notice. Except for the part where things get better. Tell them to think. Who needs who? We don’t “need” them. They need us but want to control everything we do. Fuck em.
To which the answer is "Fine, go through the process to get the constitution changed and abolish the electoral college. Until then, it's the way it's done".
It’s not a free press, it’s a handful of companies possible owned in part by the same individuals. They all get broken up, we are down from a hundred of companies just decades ago. And potential election interference like Fox calling AZ early is like yelling fire in a crowded theater
And it's good news that that analogy is not binding legal precedent, never has been, and the case it was written in has been superseded thrice by SCOTUS in the last century.
I was not using the analogy to say it is not protected under the first amendment, rather that it could cause injuries. Although i suppose it would be nearly impossible in a court to find everyone who decided not to vote since the state was “decided”
With media consolidation into so few companies, maybe anti trust? Breakup of effective monopoly? I mean font go after the speech angle, break them up into hundreds of companies instead?
At this point, I think the media is instead trying to influence Judges into thinking President Trump lost with no recourse.
Not quite, they are trying to convince the left so that they go mental if this is overturned. They want the judges under pressure by the leftists to allow the fraud through. Do you remember what happened to those canvassers who blocked certification in Wayne County, Michigan? That's the game the media are playing.
The only way we will ever stop these dirty evil tricks from the media is if a few of them start to be held accountable by the people. It is the only way, if we take no action, we will keep losing this fight.
There is no way Wayne County should have been certified, yet the left bullied them into it. Personally I am very tired of being bullied and we must act.
I believe they were able to rescind those two certifications. When someone certifies election results under duress, the "certification" does not (or at least, should not) stand.
I read a few days back that the SCOTUS has, on several occasions, ruled in favor of public opinion rather than the actual law. So I believe the media is trying to push the “PRESIDENT-ELECT” so hard that it would be “generally considered as public opinion that Joe Biden is the winner of the presidential election.”
half the people, 73 million people voted for this person while being told by liberal media that he was the antichrist and the second coming of hitler.
Clearly this shows that public opinion is mixed
More importantly, which ones do you think are more dangerous.
The party of gun control or the party of the second amendment.
Clearly, regardless of what’s going to happen is rioting,
Truthfully, its better for the left to riot and be put down by the national guard and police than let the right riot and them massacring the national guard and police, only then to be put down by the military.
Biden also shattered Barack Obama’s own popular vote totals, really calling into question whether it was not perhaps Biden who pulled Obama across the finish lines in 2008 and 2012.
This makes perfect sense to me. I was really voting for Biden back when I was a liberal, not the chance to have the first black president in US history.
I for one only supported Obama after Uncle Joe said he was "clean and articulate". There were millions of us, that's why Biden got...1% of the votes in the primary...
Proving how sharp his political instincts are, the former VP managed to gather a record number of votes while consistently trailing President Trump in measures of voter enthusiasm. Biden was so savvy that he motivated voters unenthusiastic about his campaign to vote for him in record numbers.
The overplay on ballot stuffing and dominion made Biden literally shattered like 100 records and election norms. Yet the MSM is silent about them. Because theyre trying to slide his win quietly in and hope we dont notice.
The left probably did not think a convincing strategy was even necessary. Their plan was to have the supreme court (with a liberal majority) dismiss all evidence of voter fraud as "unsubstantial", same as we've already seen in the lower courts with Obama-appointed judges...Then suddenly Ginsberg dies and is replaced by Barrett, throwing a massive wrench in their plans. Twitter lights up with liberals screaming and having total meltdowns in their posts. Ginsberg was their golden ticket to voter fraud with zero accountability. Now they should prepare to account for their involvement, to face federal charges, and consider even the possibility of prison.
As long as we do, it will work out. The tougher the fight the more we will take when we win. Their election fraud, if not solved in the courts, could result in a fundamental transformation of the country that would see the Democrat party all but extinct
Yeah - fucking drive thru’ rallies with twelve people, and Kamala squawking like a chicken. Biden rolls up in front of a teleprompter and mispronounces the entire thing, then they wheel him out; back to the fucking basement.
And the media wants us to think he’s the most popular candidate in American history.
Why would he need to campign? He knew this fix was in as they clearly have been planning it out for a while. The old fool even let it slip, saying he has the best organized voter fraud operation in history.
My entire family voted for him. They have brains. They’ve just been thoroughly washed by the media. My dad continues to blame all COVID deaths on Trump yet gives Governor Wolf a pass saying “if Trump just listened to Fauci and told people to wear masks from the beginning, we wouldn’t be in this mess!”. Unfortunately they’re beyond any kind of help. The only way is if MSM goes on national tv and says, “good evening America. So... we lied... about everything.” Then they would believe it.
Brainwashing is real and propaganda is powerful. Even if the media did come out and admit everything they've said is a lie, the brainwashed still wouldn't admit it. People hang on to their realities with such fever sometimes they will never let go of their fantasies.
I’m sorry about your situation but it makes me feel less alone. I’ve posted this so many times on here, but my family is like yours, all have advanced degrees, all kind good people, one is even like super high intelligence, but their brains are locked into a narrative that dictates their reality, it’s terrifying. And lonely :(
So my wife brought up something I think was funny and sad regarding the election. She said that she's not even sure Biden is cognizant of what fraud happened, and is so dim he doesn't know his own people cheated for him, and he probably thinks he won. Then she said that she cannot picture him coming out on a stage explaining to people that he did lose, because nobody will tell him the truth/he's incapable of understanding it.
she said he's too stupid and mentally gone to even try this on his own
Correct. The conspirators used a dementia ridden old man, pumped him full of drugs for the debates, filled his head with fantasies of winning. He doesn't even know about his new home in Gitmo yet.
Hard to argue that when he said on camera "I don't need you to get me elected, but when I'm elected I need your support" or something to that effect as well as "we have the most inclusive voter fraud organization in history!" and multiple instances of people that disagree with Joe being told by the "big guy" himself that they should vote for Trump.
Before the election, posters here joked that Biden could be fooled into thinking he won by building a mock-up White House in his basement with dementia care workers. Turns out that may not have been far from the truth.
Well he did admit that they created the most extensive voter fraud system in history. And he talked about his victory like it was a done deal and he didn’t need people to vote for him.
This is why the left is beyond saving right here. Trump won every single election norm, every single election superstition, every single statistical thing possible, how they STILL cannot see that there is fraud needs to show all you can about the left right now.
Besides from the very dumb ones, they can see it and they think it is funny Trump lost to fraud. You think the media doesn't know what happened either? They were part of it, yet they lie, lie and lie some more.
The right in America has forgotten or got too lazy to realize that it is we the people that must hold the government to account. A government unchecked will go towards corruption, ever fucking time. The American government looks like something from the 3rd world as the corruption runs through everything.
We have been asleep at the wheel expecting RINOs to do our work for us.
Why they are pushing so hard from the very beginning. If they thought Biden really won they wouldn’t be shoving him down everyone’s throats and screaming for Trump to concede. They know it’s fraud
To accept that our election was stolen means you accept the following things:
This country isn't a magical place that has risen above the rest of the world. We are just as vulnerable as a civilization.
A major political party, trusted by yourself if not your friends/family, has committed banana republic like fraud.
All the institutions that you trust, such as the media, have been all openly lying to your face for years.
Not only is reality not what you believe, but the world you once thought was crystal clear is truly fog covered. You are lucky if you can tell up from down.
Rather than give up the veneer of safety and certainty, its easy to buy the party line.
It's simple stuff like this (that we have been discussing for 3 weeks!) that should have been circulating on legacy news if they had a shred of integrity. Really hope anyone left who is questioning things walks away from the Dems after reading this.
They need to be but I wonder if anyone will and make no mistake the deep state isn't going to destroy or even investigate itself, it will be down to us.
Any one of the five examples listed in this article would be considered a noteworthy anomaly.
For all five to apply to this election and for Joe Biden to come out on top is a sign of obvious fraud or human meddling to achieve their preferred outcome.
The Supreme Court and the state legislatures must correct this theft of the United States of America.
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I wish I ran a county somewhere. I’d just run the ballots through the machines for a few weeks until Trump had 81 million votes and save everyone the legal trouble
This just further reinforces the lack of doubt that I have that the election was rigged. There's literally no doubt in my mind at this point these fuckers have pulled off widespread voter fraud; and they expect us to just cave to them now. That's not happening. Never become compliant with a cheater, or a group of cheaters. It's the worst thing you can do, because they'll just employ the same strategy over and over again.
Ask yourself, is it possible that cities with some of the highest crime and corruption in the country, committed more crime to overturn the result of their state’s election?
Correct. I will say though, this election has been eye-opening. Not just for me, but for many others globally even. I used to think shit like this was just conspiracy, but it turns out the US election system is actually really corrupted. All this time I thought the election system was pretty good, but now I'm beginning to see it can easily be fucked over with companies like Dominion swapping votes and whatnot. I'm just glad the Democrats fucked up cheating horrifically and with many traces, because then we'd have nothing to go on and many would still be in the dark believing these as nothing more than conspiracies.,
Candidate Joe Biden was so effective at animating voters in 2020 that he received a record number of votes, more than 15 million more than Barack Obama received in his re-election of 2012. Amazingly, he managed to secure victory while also losing in almost every bellwether county across the country. No presidential candidate has been capable of such electoral jujitsu until now.
Seriously, whomever believes the results is brain dead. Which is why I think they're just willingly unprincipled due to TDS.
Biden underperformed Hillary Clinton in every major metro area around the country, save for Milwaukee, Detroit, Atlanta and Philadelphia.”
The Author of the 1994 Crime Bill had Detroit, Atlanta, Milwaukee and Philadelphia in his pocket.
Organized crime, a national and probably international conspiracy to rig an election. Everyone stop counting in the middle of the night, "find" just enough votes for China's Creepy Joe Biden.
Not since the Mafia allegedly aided John F. Kennedy in winning Illinois over Richard Nixon in 1960 has an American president pulled off this neat trick.
Ha, I have been telling fellow pedes this is how I get through to libs - I heap praise on Biden’s victories and point out how insanely improbable each one was let alone all of them. “Crazy just how much more popular Biden is than Obama!”
“AP calls election! Stop talking about it! President elect extra official! Trump concede concede concede!”
“Why being violently raped in an urban environment could be a good thing”
“Is the sun racist? Study finds different temperatures in countries with peoples of extra colors”
They don't care. They just want him gone no matter what and now that they taste victory they're now going to continue to try to bully and demoralize us into buying the malarky they're trying to sell us.
Straight up TDS, though I'm starting to see some sheepishness from liberals I know. Of course I read on here, and heard through the based news, of Dems confessing, whistleblowing, etc.
It's sad - this kind of political action and controversy used to draw award winning shows like Frontline (which I used to really like before they cucked out in 2017). This election would be a great story for them - if the MSM masters at PBS weren't cutting them off at the knees and journalism in the US wasn't totally dead.
Fucking tragic.
Here's another aside, I've visited the Soviet Union when it still existed. Not like Bernie, it was a student cultural tour during the Reagan Gorby years. A cadre of students from the USSR visited schools here, and a bunch of US HS school students from all over the US went there to share the US way of life. It wasn't a huge group ... about 50-60 or so. We visited schools in both cities and the surrounding towns and were given a tour of Moscow and (then called) Leningrad (Suzdel and a few other towns as well).
Mind you it was in Dec-Jan 85-86 so it wasn't a sunny excursion, Leningrad was freaking cold - although to be honest, our 1-2 day layover in Helsinki for jet-lag was far more insanely cold (and I was living in CO at the time, so I knew cold).
Anyway, even with all the media control in the USSR (which was significant, even during perestroika & glasnost. For example when we came out we only discovered that tensions had ramped up with events between Libya and the US that led to the bombings there. We were behind the iron curtain during the 1985 Rome and Vienna airport attacks on Dec 27) even PRAVDA was less skewed than the US MSM now. Ya, it was rah-rah the the USSR and a non-stop remembrance of WWII, but the US news was factual - and not too opinionated (even their editorial cartoons were fairly weak by US standards - Reagan was almost complimented in many ways - possibly because the last round of missile talks went so well, and Gorby was really pushing for openness).
That's the thing that's really sticking out to me now - and possibly how I noticed the media shift against the GOP with Bush so well, and how it was so glowingly obvious with President Trump. It put the USSR's media to shame. Of course I've worked in advertising and the print media so that's no small peek behind the curtain either - but the US MSM is literally worse than PRAVDA. Not in a figurative way, a factual way.
I am a very rational person. If I truly believed Biden won and had the power to win this election, I would admit it immediately. But I cannot say that this election. There's not a chance in hell biden won this thing. There are way too many things that don't add up that historically have always predicted elections.
alrighty...so let's fucking FLIP THIS SHIT and get you another term, MR. PRESIDENT!
FLIP THIS FUCKING SHIT. IM TIRED OF BEING TOLD BY NORMIES THAT TRUMP IS DONE
I’m tired of seeing the idiot’s face in screencaps on youtube, and I’m really tired of msm acting like anyone should listen to or remotely respect someone so corrupt and illegitimate. I want him in jail. Now. And his wife. And his crackhead son. And his psycho VP
Getting awful sick of the same, and watching the media ride Biden's dick like they did Obama. They are beyond sickening.
The Media are just hideous ghouls and they are done. Trump was the greatest thing to happen to them and like ghouls they ended up shitting on the table.
I liked that comment so much I just asked CNN's Kaitlan Collins on twitter if she gets tired riding Biden's dick as hard as she does.
... i'm sure ill get a forced vacation for that one.
Never used twitter but I read comments like this and want to make one so badly.
Just to do stuff like that.
So tempting. You think they see them or nah?
You're dead on, and to be honest, while I almost never have the TV on that much anymore for the news, I do still see it from time to time while at work, or my parents, or friends, etc., and I will go just one step further and say that to me, at least, it appears that the fucking media is beyond riding Biden's dick. It's insane. Obama, we all know how that was treated when he won, but now with Biden (who did not even win as we all know), it's as if Biden is some type of messianic figure. Just typing this is confusing as it's hard to fully put into words how the media is worshipping him every single chance that they get.
Media has turned into “daily disaster coverage“ the daily propaganda/programming makes me sick
The media is the true disaster
This thank you.
The only reason any sane person listens to that moron is just to see how hilariously he can manage to mangle the English language.
Yes
Oh my god I connect with this on a spiritual level. You have no idea how happy I’m going to be when their heads explode on Inauguration Day. They’ll 100% say it was stolen from them lmao
and every fucking person who follows that party of jackasses.
You could tell with the tears in Biden’s eyes when her appeared after the election.
Tell what
her appeared
You can tell my accidentally appeared.
WE ARE THE NORMIES NOW
Rambo damn it
TRUTH! I have MANY friends who consider themselves left now supporting Trump.
100,000,000 Trump Votin' Gun Totin' Normies.
I have no doubt this man got 100 million votes
Are we flipping burgers? The electors haven't voted yet, so nobody has won.
PRojECteD wInNeR BiGot
Fuck sandra smith and her cake face.
She’s a dumb bitch.
I never listen to normies... I just smile and wave boys...
It's not flipping, its correcting and overwriting an intentionally erroneousness and fraudulent result. Just like when you take back what's rightfully yours from a thief, its not stealing back, it's lawfully repossessing.
Annnd ENFRANCHISING legal voters!
I’m... being... LEGITIMIZED!!
You will be so legit, you won't quit!
EEnfranchisement
It's been REBONKED!
I've rebonked my head a time or two. It happens a lot due to my height (over 6').
Just dont eat ass. You know stop spreading covid you filthy rimjobbers!!😅😅😅
I’m just finding out how many people actually eat ass and I don’t fucking get it. I don’t want anyone’s mouth near my ass and I don’t my mouth near anyone’s ass.
Poop comes outta there, you nasty ass eaters! I just don’t get it.
Edit: to the downvoted who eats ass, can you explain this to me? I seriously don’t get it.
I can’t take all this winning!
Joe is not the brain bug. That would be the CCP.
FUCK YES
He supposedly won the least number of counties in election history but the most total popular votes in history. That’s really all you need to know to realize this was impossible.
This is the kicker. As much as I hate Obama, there's no denying his star power among liberals. They fucking love the guy, and turned out to see him speak just like we turn out to see Trump speak. Obama was able to fill stadiums with leftists just like Trump is able to fill stadiums with Americans.
Joe Biden could barely muster up a few dozen people for his rally's. There is absolutely no way that Biden got more votes than Obama did.
👌😂
It's crazy just how perfectly COVID could be used as an excuse to pull all of this off. Makes me question whether they just got really lucky, or if this was all planned. COVID allowed the democrats to:
What else am I forgetting?
I mean, it's clear that at the very least Democrats weaponized COVID to give them the best chance of winning by using it as an excuse to override state election law and generate huge numbers of mail-in ballots.
Even if there was no centralized effort to miscount the votes or add extras, they knew their multicolored hair supporters would order ballots for their family, fill them out to get orange man out. They knew that a significant portion of those unsolicited ballots thsg were floating around out there would end up back at the counting facility, filled out for Biden. And we know they knew this because if they had even the slightest thought that such policies might benefit Trump, they would have been against them.
Are you really questioning at this point? There's no doubt whatsoever. But it's bigger than just the election...
Yeah, I know... I've been on quite the conspiracy theory binge lately... turns out they've all pretty much been true. I wouldn't put anything past the deep state at this point. I just act like I'm not sure as I feel like people might discredit me as a crazy "conspiracy theorist", but I probably don't have to do that here. It's just hard in real life to bring these topics up with people. I shamefully used to be a conspiracy theorist "debunker", until I actually researched more, so I understand how people just write you off as crazy when you start talking about that stuff.
That's probably the best approach. It's actually a pretty difficult thing, for example, to accept that we are quite literally letting people die right now. The rabbit hole goes so deep once you start pulling at that thread, that it's hard to come to terms with what appears to actually be happening, without seeming like a raving lunatic.
The further a truth is from mainstream, everyday-person thinking, the more the speaker of that truth looks like a raving lunatic.
However, truth is still truth, and it cares nothing about what some set of people think about, or how much they invalidly ridicule, some other person who speaks it.
Three more:
Put sick people into elderly case / retirement homes to kill hundreds of thousands of senior citizens - who overwhelmingly vote Republican. Bonus that dead people tend to vote Democrat
destroy the economy, so that Trump can't claim credit for a great roaring American economy
make people unemployed and destroy business, because financially precarious people are more prone to voting left
I feel like you're underestimating the hate for Trump. Anybody and potentially more who were all in for Obama were likely in the camp of "I hate Biden, but I hate Trump more"
This plus COVID
Oh Christ - his dementia alone made it a non-starter. Even the media couldn't hide it.
If you didn't see it - you didn't want to see it - but it was obvious.
Literally the most retarded candidate every fielded. And considering the number of idiot politicians - that's an insane metric.
People hated Trump back in 2018 too. That’s what the blue wave was supposed to be. It didn’t pan out as big as they had hoped. Yeah they flipped the house but didn’t flip the senate and flipping the house required some questionable tactics (ballot harvesting) and possibly fraud.
Also if they voted on pure hate alone, they’d have swept the house races too. Biden got 80 million votes but all toss ups went to Republicans? C’mon man.
So yeah there is lots of hate for Trump but not enough to get 80 million votes.
A lot of here thought the sketch results of 2018 were a warm up for the real fraud this year - and they were sadly (but unsurprisingly) right.
Top kek! Love that line.
It's just funny to know because of Obama's massive ego, he hates it that Biden is claiming he has more votes than him.
This is what gets me the most... how the hell could Biden be outperforming Hillary by THIS margin. Trumps approval has only improved. Honestly I think totals were around 75M trump to 65-68 Biden.
Less than 50 million for Biden IMO
That's pretty generous to Joe, and generous to the Democratic party, who almost certainly cheated a lot harder than that. I'd give Joe 50M votes at most. I really do think they created 30 million fake votes.
He only won 17.6% of counties but got 80 million votes.
No one buys this shit but the left think they can bully us into accepting it.
Why don’t you look at how many counties were won by past Presidents to see if Biden’s number makes sense
Obama won with 22% of the counties.
Yet Trump still basically raped Biden here
This. People severely underestimate population distribution. This is exactly why a common call on the left is "people vote, land doesn't".
Sure, it does. But blue states produce the majority of the country's GDP. They can import food, the US already imports billions in food every year. I think if we make it to a red vs blue split then each side can make it, but the fantasy of blue states starving because red states cut them out is just that.
A sufficiently urban state is effectively a blue state. Look at New Jersey for an example.
I think you vastly underestimate the importance of the supply chain.
The US imports almost 2 billion in food every year. Blue states constitute more than half of the total GDP of the US. Blue states do not need the red for food.
I forgot the exact number, but Hillary won substantially more counties than Biden did in 2016. Nothing adds up. So many impossibilities and virtual impossibilities, such as say the one NFL team winning 20 straight superbowls.
It's as if a team were down by five touchdowns with two minutes to go, and then, after a water main supposedly burst in the stadium and most of the fans went home, scored five touchdowns and a safety as the fourth quarter inexplicably was extended to be several hours long. Then when that safety was scored, some guy in the press box "called" the game even though the referees hadn't said anything yet.
The press guy expects all the fans to leave and for the legitimate referees to just give up too, with the head coach of the team that had been winning "conceding" without playing the remaining minutes. All because the press "called" the game.
haha, I love the water main approach, and yes that works perfectly!
Add on top of that that he didn't campaign and it's boggling.
And just how many of those counties weren’t even actually won? Just like the several that were already found to have “accidentally” went all to Biden when they’ve been a historically red county.
I legitimately had a conversation with my cuck family today about this. They hate the EC anyway and said it doesn’t matter if Biden barely won 150 counties out of 3,000. It’s what the populace wants, clearly. How do you even talk to these people?
Someone the other day pointed out if you polled a gang rape 4/5 would say they liked it and agreed with the results. Whether it is right or wrong the majority spoke. Is that how our country should be run?
To use a less crass analogy from a source with more gravitas:
"Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding on the dinner menu."
“A popular vote is like 2 wolfs and a sheep arguing what’s for dinner”
So all these cities vote one way. While the rest of the country feeds and provides for them.
Wall off the cities. They won’t last a few weeks. Everywhere else would barely notice. Except for the part where things get better. Tell them to think. Who needs who? We don’t “need” them. They need us but want to control everything we do. Fuck em.
The populace voted Trump anyways.
To which the answer is "Fine, go through the process to get the constitution changed and abolish the electoral college. Until then, it's the way it's done".
You don’t. But the vast majority of them will just bitch and not do anything if the courts throw out the fraud. Or if Americans throw out Biden
Come on man! If dead people vote you get 700 percent turn out... It's science.
Dead people generally vote Democrat.
They feel offended that the Republican Party takes the pro-life position.
! This claim about common sense is disputed.
Every single day, there's more evidence of voter fraud, and yet the media gets more aggressive in trying get President Trump to concede.
At this point, I think the media is instead trying to influence Judges into thinking President Trump lost with no recourse.
CNN needs to have a fiery, but mostly peaceful, protest at their headquarters.
cool it with the antisemitism!
Lol
Atlanta Georgia is there HQ btw
But how do you destroy a free press? It is a first amendment issue.
It’s not a free press, it’s a handful of companies possible owned in part by the same individuals. They all get broken up, we are down from a hundred of companies just decades ago. And potential election interference like Fox calling AZ early is like yelling fire in a crowded theater
And it's good news that that analogy is not binding legal precedent, never has been, and the case it was written in has been superseded thrice by SCOTUS in the last century.
I was not using the analogy to say it is not protected under the first amendment, rather that it could cause injuries. Although i suppose it would be nearly impossible in a court to find everyone who decided not to vote since the state was “decided”
Common-sense journalism laws?
With media consolidation into so few companies, maybe anti trust? Breakup of effective monopoly? I mean font go after the speech angle, break them up into hundreds of companies instead?
Not quite, they are trying to convince the left so that they go mental if this is overturned. They want the judges under pressure by the leftists to allow the fraud through. Do you remember what happened to those canvassers who blocked certification in Wayne County, Michigan? That's the game the media are playing.
The only way we will ever stop these dirty evil tricks from the media is if a few of them start to be held accountable by the people. It is the only way, if we take no action, we will keep losing this fight.
There is no way Wayne County should have been certified, yet the left bullied them into it. Personally I am very tired of being bullied and we must act.
I believe they were able to rescind those two certifications. When someone certifies election results under duress, the "certification" does not (or at least, should not) stand.
It's time to enact commonsense journalist control
What do you propose we do?
Tar. Feathers.
Of course they are
I read a few days back that the SCOTUS has, on several occasions, ruled in favor of public opinion rather than the actual law. So I believe the media is trying to push the “PRESIDENT-ELECT” so hard that it would be “generally considered as public opinion that Joe Biden is the winner of the presidential election.”
This is clearly not going to happen.
half the people, 73 million people voted for this person while being told by liberal media that he was the antichrist and the second coming of hitler.
Clearly this shows that public opinion is mixed
More importantly, which ones do you think are more dangerous.
The party of gun control or the party of the second amendment.
Clearly, regardless of what’s going to happen is rioting,
Truthfully, its better for the left to riot and be put down by the national guard and police than let the right riot and them massacring the national guard and police, only then to be put down by the military.
Clarence ain't havin' that.
I really hope the congress to vote for the next president as payback for their impeachment vote. They voted him out, they vote him in.
That would be poetic justice.
Dude you can’t say stuff like that. It’s been disputed!
DEBONKED!
IM GONNNA. COOOOOOOM
Eric, is that you?
You are here https://thedonald.win/p/11QS7ebYLQ/you-are-here/c/
(❗️) This claim is disputed
Stealing this like dems with votes
Lmao
It has been disputed but that is in dispute.
the dispute being disputed is currently under dispute.
By the department of redundancy department
It is disputed that this disputed department of redundancy department even exists
That’s one of the debonked conspiracy theories, no different than Bigfoot really /s
My favorite part 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeah I heard a little air horn toot in my head after reading that sentence 😆
This makes perfect sense to me. I was really voting for Biden back when I was a liberal, not the chance to have the first black president in US history.
I for one only supported Obama after Uncle Joe said he was "clean and articulate". There were millions of us, that's why Biden got...1% of the votes in the primary...
The 1% was rounded up too.
Back in 2008 everyone knew the Biden pick was to ensure no one would want Obama gone.
Of course you were. Because you're a racist.
I also loved:
So beautifully subtle and sarcastic.
Better than Obama in Milwaukee, Detroit, Atlanta, and Philly but worse than Hillary everywhere else and somehow 10 million more votes than Obama. Yep.
The overplay on ballot stuffing and dominion made Biden literally shattered like 100 records and election norms. Yet the MSM is silent about them. Because theyre trying to slide his win quietly in and hope we dont notice.
The reason for the sloppy overplay, was Trump’s metric fuck ton landslide of votes
this.
If these were all legit Milestones why wouldn't there be 16 articles a day about it?
The left probably did not think a convincing strategy was even necessary. Their plan was to have the supreme court (with a liberal majority) dismiss all evidence of voter fraud as "unsubstantial", same as we've already seen in the lower courts with Obama-appointed judges...Then suddenly Ginsberg dies and is replaced by Barrett, throwing a massive wrench in their plans. Twitter lights up with liberals screaming and having total meltdowns in their posts. Ginsberg was their golden ticket to voter fraud with zero accountability. Now they should prepare to account for their involvement, to face federal charges, and consider even the possibility of prison.
And she knew it, too, hence her oddly presumptuous request not to be replaced until the next administration.
They’re saying basteless. Their turkey runeth dry.
Baste and bread-filled
These retards are cooking their turkeys like it's 1935 -> 195° because that turkey was dead at room temp for three days and they had to kill the decay
Who the fuck downvoted this?!!??! Gold!! Solid gold!! Begone shillz!!
It’s been thoroughly debunked that people who use the word baseless are without merit.
There is no evidence that debunking on baseless merit is without consequences.
That's disputed.
An anonymous source confirmed this.
Without evidence!
They've been switching up words a lot recently - that alone is quite an indictment.
It's hella based
WE WON
DON’T LET ANYONE TELL YOU DIFFERENTLY
Yes we won but despite that, we need to fight. Should not be that way but it is.
As long as we do, it will work out. The tougher the fight the more we will take when we win. Their election fraud, if not solved in the courts, could result in a fundamental transformation of the country that would see the Democrat party all but extinct
Amen pede !
This alone should have Obama coming out and saying Joe cheated. Nobody beats Obama, Obama will tell you so
That's a great point, I'm surprised his ego can bear it.
we gotta keep running that line until Obama can't take it anymore ... CARRIED BY JOE! CARRIED BY JOE!
Then he will write three more autobiographies telling you so
Lol like he writes his own teleprompter
700 pages each
We could always have a General Washington. Someone will sufficient mil experience to rally the troops
Usually, I'd dismiss that sort of article as LARPing. Now, though, I'm not sure...
He didn't just say it, he DECLARED it.
No one with a brain would vote for this dementia puppet.. he hardly even campaigned.
Yeah - fucking drive thru’ rallies with twelve people, and Kamala squawking like a chicken. Biden rolls up in front of a teleprompter and mispronounces the entire thing, then they wheel him out; back to the fucking basement.
And the media wants us to think he’s the most popular candidate in American history.
Rigga, please.
Why would he need to campign? He knew this fix was in as they clearly have been planning it out for a while. The old fool even let it slip, saying he has the best organized voter fraud operation in history.
Yeah when you rig the voting machines and absentee ballot campaigning is a waste of energy
Many millions of Americans don't have brains though
My entire family voted for him. They have brains. They’ve just been thoroughly washed by the media. My dad continues to blame all COVID deaths on Trump yet gives Governor Wolf a pass saying “if Trump just listened to Fauci and told people to wear masks from the beginning, we wouldn’t be in this mess!”. Unfortunately they’re beyond any kind of help. The only way is if MSM goes on national tv and says, “good evening America. So... we lied... about everything.” Then they would believe it.
Brainwashing is real and propaganda is powerful. Even if the media did come out and admit everything they've said is a lie, the brainwashed still wouldn't admit it. People hang on to their realities with such fever sometimes they will never let go of their fantasies.
I’m sorry about your situation but it makes me feel less alone. I’ve posted this so many times on here, but my family is like yours, all have advanced degrees, all kind good people, one is even like super high intelligence, but their brains are locked into a narrative that dictates their reality, it’s terrifying. And lonely :(
So my wife brought up something I think was funny and sad regarding the election. She said that she's not even sure Biden is cognizant of what fraud happened, and is so dim he doesn't know his own people cheated for him, and he probably thinks he won. Then she said that she cannot picture him coming out on a stage explaining to people that he did lose, because nobody will tell him the truth/he's incapable of understanding it.
she said he's too stupid and mentally gone to even try this on his own
Correct. The conspirators used a dementia ridden old man, pumped him full of drugs for the debates, filled his head with fantasies of winning. He doesn't even know about his new home in Gitmo yet.
if this were 2018, i'd say "WTF man.. you are crazy".. but here we are at the end of 2020 and I'm like.. "yeah, that's exactly what happened".
No such thing as conspiracy theories anymore.
Hard to argue that when he said on camera "I don't need you to get me elected, but when I'm elected I need your support" or something to that effect as well as "we have the most inclusive voter fraud organization in history!" and multiple instances of people that disagree with Joe being told by the "big guy" himself that they should vote for Trump.
"I dont even need your vote"
I wonder what his handlers told him to make his old deranged ass think that?
She ain't wrong
I really have to wonder if they told him of their plan?
Yep. He literally is just there to sign EOs for people and bring back the swamp.
Before the election, posters here joked that Biden could be fooled into thinking he won by building a mock-up White House in his basement with dementia care workers. Turns out that may not have been far from the truth.
They still might!! lol
Well he did admit that they created the most extensive voter fraud system in history. And he talked about his victory like it was a done deal and he didn’t need people to vote for him.
True. So maybe gropin Joe knew.
This is why the left is beyond saving right here. Trump won every single election norm, every single election superstition, every single statistical thing possible, how they STILL cannot see that there is fraud needs to show all you can about the left right now.
Besides from the very dumb ones, they can see it and they think it is funny Trump lost to fraud. You think the media doesn't know what happened either? They were part of it, yet they lie, lie and lie some more.
The right in America has forgotten or got too lazy to realize that it is we the people that must hold the government to account. A government unchecked will go towards corruption, ever fucking time. The American government looks like something from the 3rd world as the corruption runs through everything.
We have been asleep at the wheel expecting RINOs to do our work for us.
Yup media is 100% in on the fraud, hence why they don’t want to address any of the allegations.
Why they are pushing so hard from the very beginning. If they thought Biden really won they wouldn’t be shoving him down everyone’s throats and screaming for Trump to concede. They know it’s fraud
To accept that our election was stolen means you accept the following things:
This country isn't a magical place that has risen above the rest of the world. We are just as vulnerable as a civilization.
A major political party, trusted by yourself if not your friends/family, has committed banana republic like fraud.
All the institutions that you trust, such as the media, have been all openly lying to your face for years.
Not only is reality not what you believe, but the world you once thought was crystal clear is truly fog covered. You are lucky if you can tell up from down.
Rather than give up the veneer of safety and certainty, its easy to buy the party line.
These numbers make no freaking sense
They make complete sense when you add cheating into the mix.
Yeah. Flipping or 0.75/1.25 adds up REALLY fast, especially when you scan the same group of 50 ballots that are all for Biden over and over.
When the president tells you to read something, you read it twice
I did. Thank you, based Clarence. Put Joe in his coffin for me. Thanks.
I'm not using lube either
If Trump isn't president in February then the republic is literally lost.
Please don't use the word literally. It has become leftist cliché.
The left thinks it's normal for kids to get hormone blockers. They know what they do is evil, but that's just who they are. Great deceivers.
It's simple stuff like this (that we have been discussing for 3 weeks!) that should have been circulating on legacy news if they had a shred of integrity. Really hope anyone left who is questioning things walks away from the Dems after reading this.
They got the MSM to cover for them
Trump needs to call on Biden to PUBLICLY address the irregularities with his "win"
Hang em high!
They need to be but I wonder if anyone will and make no mistake the deep state isn't going to destroy or even investigate itself, it will be down to us.
Damn fastest sticky in the west, thanks mods!
Any one of the five examples listed in this article would be considered a noteworthy anomaly. For all five to apply to this election and for Joe Biden to come out on top is a sign of obvious fraud or human meddling to achieve their preferred outcome. The Supreme Court and the state legislatures must correct this theft of the United States of America.
The more effort it requires to correct, the further Americans will correct. DNC could end up the suicide bomber who blows himself up building the bomb
Defying all odds and a Century’s worth of data 😂 what a joke this is so BLATANT
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That’s honestly the best article I’ve ever read
Riddle me this..Demorats lose most of the districts but win the popular vote. 🤡
I wish I ran a county somewhere. I’d just run the ballots through the machines for a few weeks until Trump had 81 million votes and save everyone the legal trouble
This just further reinforces the lack of doubt that I have that the election was rigged. There's literally no doubt in my mind at this point these fuckers have pulled off widespread voter fraud; and they expect us to just cave to them now. That's not happening. Never become compliant with a cheater, or a group of cheaters. It's the worst thing you can do, because they'll just employ the same strategy over and over again.
Ask yourself, is it possible that cities with some of the highest crime and corruption in the country, committed more crime to overturn the result of their state’s election?
Correct. I will say though, this election has been eye-opening. Not just for me, but for many others globally even. I used to think shit like this was just conspiracy, but it turns out the US election system is actually really corrupted. All this time I thought the election system was pretty good, but now I'm beginning to see it can easily be fucked over with companies like Dominion swapping votes and whatnot. I'm just glad the Democrats fucked up cheating horrifically and with many traces, because then we'd have nothing to go on and many would still be in the dark believing these as nothing more than conspiracies.,
Thank trump. He stoned himself from a massive victory so you could see.
Candidate Joe Biden was so effective at animating voters in 2020 that he received a record number of votes, more than 15 million more than Barack Obama received in his re-election of 2012. Amazingly, he managed to secure victory while also losing in almost every bellwether county across the country. No presidential candidate has been capable of such electoral jujitsu until now.
Seriously, whomever believes the results is brain dead. Which is why I think they're just willingly unprincipled due to TDS.
But he had 1000 watching his speech!
D.A.M.P.
The Author of the 1994 Crime Bill had Detroit, Atlanta, Milwaukee and Philadelphia in his pocket.
Organized crime, a national and probably international conspiracy to rig an election. Everyone stop counting in the middle of the night, "find" just enough votes for China's Creepy Joe Biden.
Democrats = Crime
right? its common knowledge JFK's father rigged IL...but the media says nooppe nothing to see here
I mean the way it ended up he probably wished he didn’t rig it in the end
Not going to look up things right now.
The Illinois people who had all the big Las Vegas casinos?
Sinatra may have even known about it.
Also, LBJ had control of Texas. Put that into JFK's totals?
Mingaaaa 215 upvotes in 4 minutes.
“CoViD ReEeEeEeSpOnSe!!!”
Appropriately dripping with righteous sarcasm
Ha, I have been telling fellow pedes this is how I get through to libs - I heap praise on Biden’s victories and point out how insanely improbable each one was let alone all of them. “Crazy just how much more popular Biden is than Obama!”
Amazing what hanging around a graveyard did for Biden's career!
Crypt-keeper gonna crypt
the reason they are not pointing it out is....they know. they don't want to bring attention to how obvious the fraud was.
“AP calls election! Stop talking about it! President elect extra official! Trump concede concede concede!” “Why being violently raped in an urban environment could be a good thing” “Is the sun racist? Study finds different temperatures in countries with peoples of extra colors”
C'mon, man!
I reported the one guy, pretty sure he is a Biden plant
If I only had 80,000,000 nickels for my father's dimentia
i mean the guy didn't even campaign
Muh covid
All the while, the media is claiming these are “baseless” accusations and little more than “conspiracy theories”. 🤨
Great article. Read it a few days ago. How anyone can deny that this election is fraudulent as hell is beyond me.
it's been going on the entire year...well, accelerated. they want everyone to deny their own eyes, ears, common sense, logic, basic arithmetic.
They don't care. They just want him gone no matter what and now that they taste victory they're now going to continue to try to bully and demoralize us into buying the malarky they're trying to sell us.
Straight up TDS, though I'm starting to see some sheepishness from liberals I know. Of course I read on here, and heard through the based news, of Dems confessing, whistleblowing, etc.
It's sad - this kind of political action and controversy used to draw award winning shows like Frontline (which I used to really like before they cucked out in 2017). This election would be a great story for them - if the MSM masters at PBS weren't cutting them off at the knees and journalism in the US wasn't totally dead.
Fucking tragic.
Here's another aside, I've visited the Soviet Union when it still existed. Not like Bernie, it was a student cultural tour during the Reagan Gorby years. A cadre of students from the USSR visited schools here, and a bunch of US HS school students from all over the US went there to share the US way of life. It wasn't a huge group ... about 50-60 or so. We visited schools in both cities and the surrounding towns and were given a tour of Moscow and (then called) Leningrad (Suzdel and a few other towns as well).
Mind you it was in Dec-Jan 85-86 so it wasn't a sunny excursion, Leningrad was freaking cold - although to be honest, our 1-2 day layover in Helsinki for jet-lag was far more insanely cold (and I was living in CO at the time, so I knew cold).
Anyway, even with all the media control in the USSR (which was significant, even during perestroika & glasnost. For example when we came out we only discovered that tensions had ramped up with events between Libya and the US that led to the bombings there. We were behind the iron curtain during the 1985 Rome and Vienna airport attacks on Dec 27) even PRAVDA was less skewed than the US MSM now. Ya, it was rah-rah the the USSR and a non-stop remembrance of WWII, but the US news was factual - and not too opinionated (even their editorial cartoons were fairly weak by US standards - Reagan was almost complimented in many ways - possibly because the last round of missile talks went so well, and Gorby was really pushing for openness).
That's the thing that's really sticking out to me now - and possibly how I noticed the media shift against the GOP with Bush so well, and how it was so glowingly obvious with President Trump. It put the USSR's media to shame. Of course I've worked in advertising and the print media so that's no small peek behind the curtain either - but the US MSM is literally worse than PRAVDA. Not in a figurative way, a factual way.
WW2 was like the great 'Party Flip', where all the NAzis and Communists secretly infiltrated our governments through apologists and sympathizers.
70+ years later, the treason bears fruit.
I am a very rational person. If I truly believed Biden won and had the power to win this election, I would admit it immediately. But I cannot say that this election. There's not a chance in hell biden won this thing. There are way too many things that don't add up that historically have always predicted elections.
Makes me sick.
Great read!
I loved the part where he hypothesized that Biden's popularity might have been what dragged Obama to victory in 2008 and 2012. 😂😂😂