Your reading into what I'm saying is about the same as your reading into what the Pope says. I own guns, and would consider myself a 2A person. I also support the Pope, because I understand him and what he actually means, in the context of and in keeping with the teachings of the Catholic Church (which I go to, am a member of, and teach the doctrines of in catechesis). And what I'm telling you is nothing more or less than what I said from the beginning: contrary to what is alleged in this meme, the Pope does not believe that owning weapons is Unchristian, unfortunate loose talk, incidental misunderstanding, and/or deliberate misconstrual notwithstanding.
And what I'm telling you is nothing more or less than what I said from the beginning
You have repeatedly defended him, beyond just the innaccuracy of this meme, which I acknowledged in my very first comment. You are covering for him and saying he doesn't support things he does. He clearly is against the 2nd amendment and/or does not understand the idea of it, and he has a leftist view of weapons/gun ownership in general. Pope Francis has a history of doing this type of thing, and no, it's not all misrepresentative or out of context. He is a political hack.
I am defending him from the inaccuracy of the meme, because he didn't say what is quoted. I'm not "covering" for him or saying he "supports" anything other than Christian doctrine, which is that conversion to Jesus, not weapons, is what will bring security to the world. He is Pope of the entire Catholic church, not just the United States of America, and his statements do not refer specifically or only to the limited context of the United States' second amendment. As such, they cannot be read as specific commentaries on it, unless he flatly says "with regard to the United States' second amendment, I say this..." As far as his view of guns/weapons in general, I think it's clear that he means what he is saying: a movement towards placing our hope in weapons is headed in the wrong direction, and that is because our hope is and must always be in a movement towards love of neighbor and God. Again, this is completely uncontroversial Church teaching. It is not I who am having a hard time squaring my perceptions of the Pope as anti-gun with the fact that he has a more or less personal armed security force, or that the Church which he heads has itself called for and supported armed conflict, or administers communion to soldiers at war, or calls the responsibility to defend those in your charge a "grave duty". Those ideas are perfectly square with the Pope's statements on weapons. Instead, I would suggest to the person alleging that the Pope believes owning guns to be Unchristian that they examine the probability of their interpretation being accurate in light of all of the contrary evidence.
The Pope would prefer that people be in love with God rather than in love with weapons, look to God for hope rather than to guns and bombs, and that there would no longer be wars or violence in the world. If all people were Christians, united in faith and doctrine, we'd be a lot closer to that goal than we are in our current situation, where most people just think in terms of wiping out their enemies, taking what they can, and forcing their will upon others. That's what I think the Pope believes, because that's what he said.
I am defending him from the inaccuracy of the meme, because he didn't say what is quoted. I'm not "covering" for him
Yes you are. You are saying to me and others not just that he did not say the quote in OP's meme, but telling us how he doesn't, not support the 2nd amendment, how he doesn't think banning weapons would impact violence/war, how you don't think his quote about personal weapon ownership and the false belief in people's association with personal or national security (which is specifically what the 2nd amendment says, and the opposite of what he says) means what it says, etc. You are absolutely defending and covering for him beyond the OP's quote.
which is that conversion to Jesus, not weapons, is what will bring security to the world.
Yep, but he also has a leftist view of guns and weapons themselves (association with war, ownership has nothing to do with security, ownership of them is perverse, evil gun makers, etc.)
He is Pope of the entire Catholic church, not just the United States of America, and his statements do not refer specifically or only to the limited context of the United States' second amendment.
I agree, but none of those views are any less stupid or wrong outside the US.
Pope as anti-gun with the fact that he has a more or less personal armed security force
Yep. Leftists are always hypocritical.
owning guns to be Unchristian
It is clear the views Christian patriotic Americans like the founders had on weapons are the opposite of his.
The Pope would prefer that people be in love with God rather than in love with weapons, look to God for hope rather than to guns and bombs, and that there would no longer be wars or violence in the world
So like most people who support the 2nd amendment?
in our current situation, where most people just think in terms of wiping out their enemies
So like not the vast majority of gun and weapon owners?
That's what I think the Pope believes, because that's what he said.
No, he said what he said, not what you are trying to make it.
Your reading into what I'm saying is about the same as your reading into what the Pope says. I own guns, and would consider myself a 2A person. I also support the Pope, because I understand him and what he actually means, in the context of and in keeping with the teachings of the Catholic Church (which I go to, am a member of, and teach the doctrines of in catechesis). And what I'm telling you is nothing more or less than what I said from the beginning: contrary to what is alleged in this meme, the Pope does not believe that owning weapons is Unchristian, unfortunate loose talk, incidental misunderstanding, and/or deliberate misconstrual notwithstanding.
You have repeatedly defended him, beyond just the innaccuracy of this meme, which I acknowledged in my very first comment. You are covering for him and saying he doesn't support things he does. He clearly is against the 2nd amendment and/or does not understand the idea of it, and he has a leftist view of weapons/gun ownership in general. Pope Francis has a history of doing this type of thing, and no, it's not all misrepresentative or out of context. He is a political hack.
I am defending him from the inaccuracy of the meme, because he didn't say what is quoted. I'm not "covering" for him or saying he "supports" anything other than Christian doctrine, which is that conversion to Jesus, not weapons, is what will bring security to the world. He is Pope of the entire Catholic church, not just the United States of America, and his statements do not refer specifically or only to the limited context of the United States' second amendment. As such, they cannot be read as specific commentaries on it, unless he flatly says "with regard to the United States' second amendment, I say this..." As far as his view of guns/weapons in general, I think it's clear that he means what he is saying: a movement towards placing our hope in weapons is headed in the wrong direction, and that is because our hope is and must always be in a movement towards love of neighbor and God. Again, this is completely uncontroversial Church teaching. It is not I who am having a hard time squaring my perceptions of the Pope as anti-gun with the fact that he has a more or less personal armed security force, or that the Church which he heads has itself called for and supported armed conflict, or administers communion to soldiers at war, or calls the responsibility to defend those in your charge a "grave duty". Those ideas are perfectly square with the Pope's statements on weapons. Instead, I would suggest to the person alleging that the Pope believes owning guns to be Unchristian that they examine the probability of their interpretation being accurate in light of all of the contrary evidence.
The Pope would prefer that people be in love with God rather than in love with weapons, look to God for hope rather than to guns and bombs, and that there would no longer be wars or violence in the world. If all people were Christians, united in faith and doctrine, we'd be a lot closer to that goal than we are in our current situation, where most people just think in terms of wiping out their enemies, taking what they can, and forcing their will upon others. That's what I think the Pope believes, because that's what he said.
Yes you are. You are saying to me and others not just that he did not say the quote in OP's meme, but telling us how he doesn't, not support the 2nd amendment, how he doesn't think banning weapons would impact violence/war, how you don't think his quote about personal weapon ownership and the false belief in people's association with personal or national security (which is specifically what the 2nd amendment says, and the opposite of what he says) means what it says, etc. You are absolutely defending and covering for him beyond the OP's quote.
Yep, but he also has a leftist view of guns and weapons themselves (association with war, ownership has nothing to do with security, ownership of them is perverse, evil gun makers, etc.)
I agree, but none of those views are any less stupid or wrong outside the US.
Yep. Leftists are always hypocritical.
It is clear the views Christian patriotic Americans like the founders had on weapons are the opposite of his.
So like most people who support the 2nd amendment?
So like not the vast majority of gun and weapon owners?
No, he said what he said, not what you are trying to make it.