Sounds like you got off easy. I was accused of being a member of the Proud Boys when I was pointing out facts that can't be found on Main Stream Media.
That's actually not a bad thing, but they thought it was a bad thing when they said it.
Core Values Of The Proud Boys
Minimal Government
Maximum Freedom
Anti-Political Correctness
Anti-Drug War
Closed Borders
Anti-Racial Guilt
Anti-Racism
Pro-Free Speech (1st Amendment)
Pro-Gun Rights (2nd Amendment)
Glorifying the Entrepreneur
Venerating the Housewife
Reinstating a Spirit of Western Chauvinism
I wouldn't say they are "pro" - but they are officially not "anti".
"We do not discriminate based upon race or sexual orientation/preference. We are not an “ism”, “ist”, or “phobic” that fits the Left’s narrative. We truly believe that the West Is The Best and welcome those who believe in the same tenets as us."
I would personally have an issue with trans members. I don't believe in celebrating one's mental illness. FTIW, I'm also against people cutting off their legs because they identify as amputees.
The problem there is no one seems to get that right or wrong the medical community has decided that the hormones, surgery etc. is the cure for the mental illness.
Part of that is because they have some vested interest in it, whether it's an agenda or they just want the money, no one wants to put any research into why people have this mindset or how many have a legitimate problem and how many are just seeking attention.
It used to be people who transitioned did so quietly, their worst fear being read, they would often uproot and start new someplace where no one knew them to keep their past secret. Now people wave it around like look at me, I'm special.
Same tier as people eye dropping hydrochloric acid into their eyes because they want to live the blind experience, or those people who are so called 'bug chasers', willingly engaging in sexual acts with people who are HIV positive. These people exist.
less racists per gen = less potentiation for overt racism
millennials knew almost no overt racists growing up. can you say the same?globalization has an effect. changing demos have an effect too.
its not a castigation on past generations. its an observational fact
the farther we go into the future, the less overt people can be about ethnic sentiment. You're not all racist, ya'll started the whole public sentiment against racism! And got it into full swing. But it was in response to something, no? It had to be, and thats my point.
the western world is so paranoid about not being racist with white guilt fanning the flames that we are destroying ourselves with reckless importations, amnesty and adherence to retarded social causes like BLM.
its regressive. but before 2014 or so, we hit a sweet spot, 75% of us didnt support BLM because the propaganda hadn't hit full swing yet.
I think it’s noteworthy. The chaotic world we all live in was built by the generation that we think of as boomers today (mass global immigration started in the 60’s, which flooded the country with people who structurally voted democrat for generations to come).
There are SJW boomers. All people age, regardless of their political views. We often think all old people are conservatives for some reason when we grow up. In actuality, there are people of any generation on both sides.
Honestly, I would imagine there are more SJW’s amongst the boomer generation than millennials or Gen Z. SJW’s have small families because they’re prone to divorce, or no children at all because they don’t value marriage. So over time only conservatives remain amongst the population (an evolutionary effect that would have started from the baby boomers generation when the birth control pill was introduced and fertility rates ranked in the west, wiping out a generation of liberals from reproducing on the scale of a world war).
There has been a stark dichotomy in western civilization for a while now. There’s hardcore conservative televangelists and the subculture that followed them (Billy Graham, Fulton Sheen). While simultaneously you have loose hippy women taking off their shirts in public.
We live in the logical conclusion of the 60’s-70’s western cultural revolution. As you give the power to vote for the direction of your nation to more and more people that don’t share your interests, the leaders and policies of your nation start to shift towards a new center. The larger the population of the opposing party, the further that center is from your groups interests. America radically changed in the 60’s and 70’s. Divorce rates spiked. Feminism surged. The birth control pill radically reduced fertility. And because of the loss of fertility, the country opened itself up to mass migration from anywhere that still had a surplus of children. America, being the dominant post-war country, spread its cultural revolution to all its subordinate allies. So you had all of Western Europe and America following a similar pattern.
Any chart you look at to check the data on this (3rd world migration, fertility rates, divorce rates, etc) all start their current baseline trends in the 70’s.
I agree nothing truly “starts” anywhere, and is a continuum (the boomers built their society on the coat tails of their parents and grandparents winning ww2) but there are many distinct trends that start in the 70’s. And those trends are the underlying cause of the paradigm we live in.
I agree with your point about using the term boomer as a derivative term though. Most boomers I’ve met are more spiritually aligned with me than the average person of my generation.
In 1970 the oldest baby boomer was 24. They didn't control anything. The only ones that had voted were those in the military, for the most part. Ar no point in time did baby boomers control the political landscape, although peak power occurred with the most fiscally responsible Congress in living memory; Bill Clinton takes credit for their work '93-95. There are still powerful politicians older than baby boomers.
The big change creating the problems you speak of happened in 1913 with the creation of the Fed, and it's collection agency the IRS. CFR in 1921, giving them undue influence over academia. Quickly they owned / created big pharma, and the MSM including Hollywood. Communism / McCarthyism happened while the oldest baby boomers weren't yet 10.
This is not a generational phenomenon. It is a select few, and their ability to manipulate others to help enforce their tyranny. They want feudalism, not communism. Self interest is their motive, not the good of our species.
Our movement is MAGA, and anti OWG (One World Government) ALL ages can and do take part. Just as all age groups have sheep. This is the distinction we need to be focusing on.
I guess I actually agree with this logic, and concede your point. People don’t really have political power in their 20’s. They likely just take up a large % of the optics as they are protesting in the streets (in absence of actually having power) and photos of that is what those of us that weren’t there get exposed to.
Where did the political capital / strength for all the things that started in the 70’s come from then? People had to vote for people who supported those policies at some point. Was it the generation that fought in WW2? They would have been exposed to massive amounts of propaganda that may have skewed their world view.
McCarthyism seems like it would have helped them deprogram though, as it was an institutionalized form of anti-communism (specifically targeting Hollywood in many instances, wasn’t it?). Seems like what we need today is another form of McCarthyism to counter the industry level blackballing of anyone who doesn’t adopt left wing views in influential companies in tech and the media. Fight fire with fire, so to speak, where possible.
Right. Everyone is experiencing the same hardships now. The single biggest reason for it happened in 1913, the creation of the Fed and its collection agency, the IRS. And that wasn't done by a generation, only a select few. But let's blame it on everyone born 33 - 51 years later.
I don't care what kids are taught, you're supposed to be rebellious enough not to fall for obvious bs like that
yep, the leftist media identify their enemy then slander them and try to make all people think that it's their enemy too when in reality the media telling them to hate the PBs were the real enemy all along.
Especially when, without consequences biden can tell black people “..you aint black” or “latinos are incredibly diverse Unlike blacks”..while clinton can laugh and say “I know they all look alike”.
At this point, I guess I'm just a racist. I take it as a compliment, meaning that you are a real stand up American.
The only people who accuse other of being a racist are strictly unamerican commies. So, I guess any insult coming out of their mouths means you're doing things right.
Yeah honestly I'm fairly young and most people I know my age are Trump supporters. It's usually the people who grew up a long time ago when Jim Crow laws were still in place that think the world is still the same
Dunno your friends may be based but there's an awful lot of young commies without life experiences to judge things off. The older the voter the more likely they're conservative. It's in large part a product of the education system. I won't ask specifics but you don't live in a solidly blue state (ruled by the teachers unions)?
Boomers were born between 1944 and 1964, so certainly a lot of them would be or turn 20 in the 1970s, even though the last wouldn't do so until the 1980s.
My problem with this is that I don't carry bibliography with me all the time.
For them is very easy to tell a lie on the spot or made up a faulty argument. For me to counter that with factual and objective evidence takes a lot of time in comparison with a live conversation.
For example when a LGTB is a communist, and you point out that communist have not been very friendly to gay people, they call you a liar and that is. Even thought this is demonstrability true and very easy to come about with both historical examples and current regimes examples; this takes time to do. Is not like you carry with you a ready slides presentation all the time.
We really need to centralize a curated wiki with common counterarguments.
This is a bad strategy and has never worked and yet Republicans have been trying to use it for over 50 years.
Democrats of today are not racists despite the party history and the unintended deleterious effects their policies have on the black community to this day. They are simply wrong, not racist.
I've never met a racist in person and the only racists I see in the news media are anti-whites so pretending there is an imaginary widespread problem of people who are racist against blacks is counter productive and untrue.
If someone calls you a racist, you simply laugh at them and amplify. Ex. Yes, everything is racist, math is racist, time is racist,, national parks are racist etc, etc.
Republicans have certainly not been calling Democrats racists for 50 years. Republicans historically haven't ever fought like that. Sure, you could laugh at them but they take it as their truth. To point out Democrats were the party of slavery, were against the civil rights legislation, were the party of the KKK, while Democrats have received all black votes blacks are still suffering in some areas, and they support abortion which is the #1 killer of black people.
Don't let them get off easily without any pushback to put them on the defensive. That's exactly the nice guy attitude when Republicans get accused of horrible things that has caused them to lose. If Trump taught Republicans anything, it should be that.
Sounds like you got off easy. I was accused of being a member of the Proud Boys when I was pointing out facts that can't be found on Main Stream Media.
That's actually not a bad thing, but they thought it was a bad thing when they said it.
Core Values Of The Proud Boys
Minimal Government Maximum Freedom Anti-Political Correctness Anti-Drug War Closed Borders Anti-Racial Guilt Anti-Racism Pro-Free Speech (1st Amendment) Pro-Gun Rights (2nd Amendment) Glorifying the Entrepreneur Venerating the Housewife Reinstating a Spirit of Western Chauvinism
Where do I sign up?
Go here and click on your state, then see which cities have chapters. If there isn't one in your city, they'll direct you to the one nearest you.
https://proudboysusa.com/chapters/northamerica/usa/
Are the proud boys pro LGBT (especially pro transgender) and are proud girls (trans-women) welcome?
I wouldn't say they are "pro" - but they are officially not "anti".
"We do not discriminate based upon race or sexual orientation/preference. We are not an “ism”, “ist”, or “phobic” that fits the Left’s narrative. We truly believe that the West Is The Best and welcome those who believe in the same tenets as us."
I would personally have an issue with trans members. I don't believe in celebrating one's mental illness. FTIW, I'm also against people cutting off their legs because they identify as amputees.
The problem there is no one seems to get that right or wrong the medical community has decided that the hormones, surgery etc. is the cure for the mental illness.
Part of that is because they have some vested interest in it, whether it's an agenda or they just want the money, no one wants to put any research into why people have this mindset or how many have a legitimate problem and how many are just seeking attention.
It used to be people who transitioned did so quietly, their worst fear being read, they would often uproot and start new someplace where no one knew them to keep their past secret. Now people wave it around like look at me, I'm special.
Same tier as people eye dropping hydrochloric acid into their eyes because they want to live the blind experience, or those people who are so called 'bug chasers', willingly engaging in sexual acts with people who are HIV positive. These people exist.
i got kicked off Discord for being PB
Your use of "boomer" is not a strong argument, it makes you look ignorant. A boomer is the most effective part of our nuclear triad.
DJT is a baby boomer. Go ahead and explain why that's a bad thing.
im using my statistical advantage of being a Millennial my argument was essentially, i grew up with less actual or secret racists.
Boomers are great, but my generalization still stands, and its not a moral imposition.
less racists per gen = less potentiation for overt racism
millennials knew almost no overt racists growing up. can you say the same?globalization has an effect. changing demos have an effect too.
its not a castigation on past generations. its an observational fact the farther we go into the future, the less overt people can be about ethnic sentiment. You're not all racist, ya'll started the whole public sentiment against racism! And got it into full swing. But it was in response to something, no? It had to be, and thats my point.
the western world is so paranoid about not being racist with white guilt fanning the flames that we are destroying ourselves with reckless importations, amnesty and adherence to retarded social causes like BLM.
its regressive. but before 2014 or so, we hit a sweet spot, 75% of us didnt support BLM because the propaganda hadn't hit full swing yet.
I think it’s noteworthy. The chaotic world we all live in was built by the generation that we think of as boomers today (mass global immigration started in the 60’s, which flooded the country with people who structurally voted democrat for generations to come).
There are SJW boomers. All people age, regardless of their political views. We often think all old people are conservatives for some reason when we grow up. In actuality, there are people of any generation on both sides.
Honestly, I would imagine there are more SJW’s amongst the boomer generation than millennials or Gen Z. SJW’s have small families because they’re prone to divorce, or no children at all because they don’t value marriage. So over time only conservatives remain amongst the population (an evolutionary effect that would have started from the baby boomers generation when the birth control pill was introduced and fertility rates ranked in the west, wiping out a generation of liberals from reproducing on the scale of a world war).
There has been a stark dichotomy in western civilization for a while now. There’s hardcore conservative televangelists and the subculture that followed them (Billy Graham, Fulton Sheen). While simultaneously you have loose hippy women taking off their shirts in public.
The world we live in was not built by those born between 1946 - 1964. That's stupidity and ignorance on a scale not fit for life.
We live in the logical conclusion of the 60’s-70’s western cultural revolution. As you give the power to vote for the direction of your nation to more and more people that don’t share your interests, the leaders and policies of your nation start to shift towards a new center. The larger the population of the opposing party, the further that center is from your groups interests. America radically changed in the 60’s and 70’s. Divorce rates spiked. Feminism surged. The birth control pill radically reduced fertility. And because of the loss of fertility, the country opened itself up to mass migration from anywhere that still had a surplus of children. America, being the dominant post-war country, spread its cultural revolution to all its subordinate allies. So you had all of Western Europe and America following a similar pattern.
Any chart you look at to check the data on this (3rd world migration, fertility rates, divorce rates, etc) all start their current baseline trends in the 70’s.
I agree nothing truly “starts” anywhere, and is a continuum (the boomers built their society on the coat tails of their parents and grandparents winning ww2) but there are many distinct trends that start in the 70’s. And those trends are the underlying cause of the paradigm we live in.
I agree with your point about using the term boomer as a derivative term though. Most boomers I’ve met are more spiritually aligned with me than the average person of my generation.
In 1970 the oldest baby boomer was 24. They didn't control anything. The only ones that had voted were those in the military, for the most part. Ar no point in time did baby boomers control the political landscape, although peak power occurred with the most fiscally responsible Congress in living memory; Bill Clinton takes credit for their work '93-95. There are still powerful politicians older than baby boomers.
The big change creating the problems you speak of happened in 1913 with the creation of the Fed, and it's collection agency the IRS. CFR in 1921, giving them undue influence over academia. Quickly they owned / created big pharma, and the MSM including Hollywood. Communism / McCarthyism happened while the oldest baby boomers weren't yet 10.
This is not a generational phenomenon. It is a select few, and their ability to manipulate others to help enforce their tyranny. They want feudalism, not communism. Self interest is their motive, not the good of our species.
Our movement is MAGA, and anti OWG (One World Government) ALL ages can and do take part. Just as all age groups have sheep. This is the distinction we need to be focusing on.
I guess I actually agree with this logic, and concede your point. People don’t really have political power in their 20’s. They likely just take up a large % of the optics as they are protesting in the streets (in absence of actually having power) and photos of that is what those of us that weren’t there get exposed to.
Where did the political capital / strength for all the things that started in the 70’s come from then? People had to vote for people who supported those policies at some point. Was it the generation that fought in WW2? They would have been exposed to massive amounts of propaganda that may have skewed their world view.
McCarthyism seems like it would have helped them deprogram though, as it was an institutionalized form of anti-communism (specifically targeting Hollywood in many instances, wasn’t it?). Seems like what we need today is another form of McCarthyism to counter the industry level blackballing of anyone who doesn’t adopt left wing views in influential companies in tech and the media. Fight fire with fire, so to speak, where possible.
Right. Everyone is experiencing the same hardships now. The single biggest reason for it happened in 1913, the creation of the Fed and its collection agency, the IRS. And that wasn't done by a generation, only a select few. But let's blame it on everyone born 33 - 51 years later.
I don't care what kids are taught, you're supposed to be rebellious enough not to fall for obvious bs like that
yep, the leftist media identify their enemy then slander them and try to make all people think that it's their enemy too when in reality the media telling them to hate the PBs were the real enemy all along.
Maybe time to sign up. The liberals will go absolutely nuts if the PBs got a million new recruits.
PB has been swamped with more new recruits than they can handle. Might have to wait a while.
I’d be proud of that
Especially when, without consequences biden can tell black people “..you aint black” or “latinos are incredibly diverse Unlike blacks”..while clinton can laugh and say “I know they all look alike”.
At this point, I guess I'm just a racist. I take it as a compliment, meaning that you are a real stand up American.
The only people who accuse other of being a racist are strictly unamerican commies. So, I guess any insult coming out of their mouths means you're doing things right.
Yeah honestly I'm fairly young and most people I know my age are Trump supporters. It's usually the people who grew up a long time ago when Jim Crow laws were still in place that think the world is still the same
Dunno your friends may be based but there's an awful lot of young commies without life experiences to judge things off. The older the voter the more likely they're conservative. It's in large part a product of the education system. I won't ask specifics but you don't live in a solidly blue state (ruled by the teachers unions)?
You never learned math yet graduated from Clemson.
Baby boomers were also born in 1964. Yet you claim they were in their 20's in the 70's.
The whole dividing people up by when they were born is the Chinese zodiac. It's not predictive.
Boomers were born between 1944 and 1964, so certainly a lot of them would be or turn 20 in the 1970s, even though the last wouldn't do so until the 1980s.
DJT is the oldest baby boomer, born in 1946.
Totally ridiculous to pretend everyone born in an 18 year period is a monolithic block, but at least get the years right.
And a boomer is the most effective part of our nuclear triad.
Just like DJT.
Stop and think this through. Give up your bs trope. It's divisive, not productive.
I live in a blue state. I'm not saying there aren't some young commies, but most of the outspoken anti-trumpers I've ever met were 30+
single and unsuccessful likely. But they breed unfortunately and many of them are employed in education
Jim Crow laws didn't exist in most States.
I think a lot of us unleashed our own Kraken today!
Always call them the actual racist back. You have a lot more modern and historical ammo than them to back it up.
My problem with this is that I don't carry bibliography with me all the time.
For them is very easy to tell a lie on the spot or made up a faulty argument. For me to counter that with factual and objective evidence takes a lot of time in comparison with a live conversation.
For example when a LGTB is a communist, and you point out that communist have not been very friendly to gay people, they call you a liar and that is. Even thought this is demonstrability true and very easy to come about with both historical examples and current regimes examples; this takes time to do. Is not like you carry with you a ready slides presentation all the time.
We really need to centralize a curated wiki with common counterarguments.
Better to just say "so what?" ... they don't know what to do with that
No, no, no.
This is a bad strategy and has never worked and yet Republicans have been trying to use it for over 50 years.
Democrats of today are not racists despite the party history and the unintended deleterious effects their policies have on the black community to this day. They are simply wrong, not racist.
I've never met a racist in person and the only racists I see in the news media are anti-whites so pretending there is an imaginary widespread problem of people who are racist against blacks is counter productive and untrue.
If someone calls you a racist, you simply laugh at them and amplify. Ex. Yes, everything is racist, math is racist, time is racist,, national parks are racist etc, etc.
Republicans have certainly not been calling Democrats racists for 50 years. Republicans historically haven't ever fought like that. Sure, you could laugh at them but they take it as their truth. To point out Democrats were the party of slavery, were against the civil rights legislation, were the party of the KKK, while Democrats have received all black votes blacks are still suffering in some areas, and they support abortion which is the #1 killer of black people.
Don't let them get off easily without any pushback to put them on the defensive. That's exactly the nice guy attitude when Republicans get accused of horrible things that has caused them to lose. If Trump taught Republicans anything, it should be that.
Thomas Sowell did that decades ago. You have not been paying attention for at least the last 30 years.
Thomas Sowell is the rare breed of mainstream Republicans. A national treasure really.
Breaking jaws doesn't take long
This Crowder Polite Racist video came to mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNMC4mZi1ds
"...yea, and?"
Did you give him a nice, hard bitch-slap?
Sounds like a great time!
Tell him Yea ignorance does not discriminate.
We were getting drunk and shitting on the dems
Their hive mind is not very bright.