Yeah but it’s blown way out of proportion to further a political agenda much in the same way covid is. Sure some people die from covid, but the overwhelming majority do not. It’s kinda like that. Have you looked at Saudi Arabia’s crime rates? They’re insanely low.
“The male guardianship system not only directly affects a woman’s ability to report the crime to the police and file a court case without the permission of a male guardian, but it also relies on an underpinning idea of women’s obedience that is often in conflict with the possibility of combatting domestic violence, including marital rape.”
Lack of crime rate isn’t evidence that violence isn't occurring esp where women are concerned.
You looked at one type of crime, tried to justify why it’s low rate should be ignored, and then generalized that justification to mean all crimes in the country are higher than they actually are. It doesn’t work that way. If they have low crime rates in EVERY category, you can’t just dismiss this. They happen to have low crime rates in every category yet apparently rape is sky-high in spite of the low rate simply because gender roles actually exist over there. I’m sorry but that logic isn’t sound.
You looked at one person’s account of being jailed, tortured and lashed for not wearing a hijab and discounted because of your mother’s personal account. Then, when I countered with actual reports of the same type of incident, you bizarrely made an argument about low crime rates as an example the dispute the veracity of this woman’s claim. My counter argument was to demonstrate that crime - an example of which is rape - can be prevalent in a country with virtually no crimes of rape reported. The main issue is that you cannot discount this particular woman’s experience based on another woman’s experience (your mother) or based on crime rates.
Okay I think there’s a miscommunication between us. I’m not discounting her experience because of my mother’s experience, I’m disproving her claim that this is what happens in Saudi Arabia/Muslim/Muslim-majority countries. Then when you gave me the 2 reports of the same supposed incident, I told you how my mother went to SA prior to 2016 because I wanted to showcase how stripping the religious police of some powers doesn’t even matter in this case because incidents like the one in the video were still exceptionally rare even before 2016.
Also, I gave the example of SA having an extremely low crime rate as evidence that what she’s describing is not common at all, because the incident she claims to have happened to her would have been reported in the crime statistics since it was carried out by the religious police i.e. government. That is why I had an issue with you using rape to counter what I’d said because it doesn’t apply to the situation at hand since it would have been reported no matter what.
Again, I’m not using my mother’s experience to discount her experience; I’m using it discount her CLAIM about how things actually are over there. I’ve watched several of this woman’s videos before, she has some deep-seeded psychological trauma inside of her, and immense pain and sadness from something that happened to her while she was over there (she even mentioned it in the video itself). What happened here is that someone she deeply loved and cared about really hurt her, and used Islam as a means to justify it, and because of that, she’s tying her abuse to the religion and thus the country and people, etc. as a whole (anything even remotely Islamic) and so her subconscious places that pain upon all of those things as well. While I’m sure she has her reasons as to why she feels that pain, I don’t believe that this is an accurate representation of how things actually are, especially given the the emotional trauma inside of her.
Yeah but it’s blown way out of proportion to further a political agenda much in the same way covid is. Sure some people die from covid, but the overwhelming majority do not. It’s kinda like that. Have you looked at Saudi Arabia’s crime rates? They’re insanely low.
Not too many women reporting rapes in SA.
“The male guardianship system not only directly affects a woman’s ability to report the crime to the police and file a court case without the permission of a male guardian, but it also relies on an underpinning idea of women’s obedience that is often in conflict with the possibility of combatting domestic violence, including marital rape.”
Lack of crime rate isn’t evidence that violence isn't occurring esp where women are concerned.
You looked at one type of crime, tried to justify why it’s low rate should be ignored, and then generalized that justification to mean all crimes in the country are higher than they actually are. It doesn’t work that way. If they have low crime rates in EVERY category, you can’t just dismiss this. They happen to have low crime rates in every category yet apparently rape is sky-high in spite of the low rate simply because gender roles actually exist over there. I’m sorry but that logic isn’t sound.
You looked at one person’s account of being jailed, tortured and lashed for not wearing a hijab and discounted because of your mother’s personal account. Then, when I countered with actual reports of the same type of incident, you bizarrely made an argument about low crime rates as an example the dispute the veracity of this woman’s claim. My counter argument was to demonstrate that crime - an example of which is rape - can be prevalent in a country with virtually no crimes of rape reported. The main issue is that you cannot discount this particular woman’s experience based on another woman’s experience (your mother) or based on crime rates.
Okay I think there’s a miscommunication between us. I’m not discounting her experience because of my mother’s experience, I’m disproving her claim that this is what happens in Saudi Arabia/Muslim/Muslim-majority countries. Then when you gave me the 2 reports of the same supposed incident, I told you how my mother went to SA prior to 2016 because I wanted to showcase how stripping the religious police of some powers doesn’t even matter in this case because incidents like the one in the video were still exceptionally rare even before 2016.
Also, I gave the example of SA having an extremely low crime rate as evidence that what she’s describing is not common at all, because the incident she claims to have happened to her would have been reported in the crime statistics since it was carried out by the religious police i.e. government. That is why I had an issue with you using rape to counter what I’d said because it doesn’t apply to the situation at hand since it would have been reported no matter what.
Again, I’m not using my mother’s experience to discount her experience; I’m using it discount her CLAIM about how things actually are over there. I’ve watched several of this woman’s videos before, she has some deep-seeded psychological trauma inside of her, and immense pain and sadness from something that happened to her while she was over there (she even mentioned it in the video itself). What happened here is that someone she deeply loved and cared about really hurt her, and used Islam as a means to justify it, and because of that, she’s tying her abuse to the religion and thus the country and people, etc. as a whole (anything even remotely Islamic) and so her subconscious places that pain upon all of those things as well. While I’m sure she has her reasons as to why she feels that pain, I don’t believe that this is an accurate representation of how things actually are, especially given the the emotional trauma inside of her.