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posted ago by oxygen ago by oxygen +8972 / -0

Senator Doug Mastriano is attempting today to get enough support to pass a resolution that would enable Pennsylvania to exercise their constitutional authority to seat the electors themselves and decide which electors to send to DC to vote for president. But enough of his colleagues need to support it in order for it to pass.

CALL THEM AND EMAIL!!! (PREFERABLY CALL). LET THEM KNOW HOW YOU FEEL. DEMAND THEY DO THIS. IF THEY DON'T, DEMAND TO KNOW WHY.

IF THEIR VOICEMAIL IS FULL, EMAIL THEM, AND THEN CALL BACK LATER.

PA senate:

https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/home/member_information/contact.cfm?body=S

PA House of Representatives:

https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/home/member_information/contact.cfm?body=H

Not sure who your PA state senator or representatives are? Click here

Doug Mastriano was on War Room this morning in case you missed it. The PA senate leadership was dragging their feet and Doug said we needed to contact the legislature:

https://youtu.be/hXQ4kDgjDiU?t=5786 (timestamp 1:36:20)

And remember: Even if the resolution is introduced and passes, enough republicans in both houses are going to have to flip to supporting Trump electors, not Biden. Remember how weak-kneed they are!

If you live outside Pennsylvania, you can still contact the Senate and House leadership:

Senate Pro Tem (republican): Jake Corman / (717) 787-1377 / (814) 355-0477 /

Senate Majority Leader (republican): Kim L. Ward / (717) 787-6063 / (724) 600-7002 /

Speaker of the House of Reps (republican): Bryan Cutler / (717) 284-1965 / (717) 783-6424 /

Majority leader of House of Reps (republican): Kerry A. Benninghoff / +1 (814) 355-1300 / (717) 783-1918 /

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oxygen [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

You don't need to "override" State Laws. The US Constitution gives current States' Legislatures the power to appoint their respective State's Electors... The Governor, or any Executive officer/official/employee; does not have legal power in the appointment of Electors. Elections officials have no legal power to appoint Electors.

I love your enthusiasm pede but let me make something clesr: All the US constitution says is that state legislatures have the power to set up a process to select electors as they see fit. It turns out that in PA, since 1938, they've seen fit to have it done the way it's done now. So yes, they do have to override/change the old PA state law. The constitution doesn't say state legislatures have the sole power to select electors. It says they have the sole power to set up a process as they see fit. Hope that makes sense.

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540k-Again 1 point ago +1 / -0

I too love your enthusiasm btw:)

The constitution doesn't say state legislatures have the sole power to select electors. It says they have the sole power to set up a process as they see fit.

A key thing to note is, the power of State's Legislatures to set up a process to appoint (basically however they want); this power is always there in the timeframe. This would be like, if Big Guy Biden told his son Hunter to take the credit card to go get the laptops repaired, and Hunter drives off to spend the money to fill up his pipe instead; the Big Guy can be like NOPE and cut the money transaction off... it's always the BIg Guy's card, even if he's deligated it or set up a process to follow; he can always override at any point so long as the time(frame) is valid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Two_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Clause_2:_Method_of_choosing_electors

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

[Strict-Constitutional Redpill] The current State's Legislatures do the appointing of their State's Electors. Any "vote" in an election or any other process, is basically only advisory to the current State's Legislature. No election, No Governor, No past Legislature, No State Law, No Bill/Law, No Federal Law, No congress, No judge; can tell a current State's Legislature HOW to appoint.

So for instance, let's say a State Legislature says, to you and I, that we are the umpires/refs and are going to flip coins to see who to appoint as Electors, from a list of names until we fill up the number of Electors the State gets to send. If both our coins comes up heads, the person is selected, everything else, we skip and go to the next name on the list.

If we do our jobs as proscribed, and fill up a list of names in that mannor. We are done. We made a list of Electors for the State. But this list of names, and the "Constitutional lawful Power" of the State's Legislature; still exists for as long as the time(frame) set out by congress (as per):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Two_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Clause_4:_Election_day

The Congress may determine the Time of chusing [sic] the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

So what happens if we finish our list at noon; and then the State Legislature meets at 1pm and makes a new list using a different method, maybe a pie-eating contest. The State Legislature can override at anytime so long as the time(frame) is open; and by extension, the list we made can be formally recongnized by an afternoon meeting of the State's Legislature, as "the State's Electors" for this cycle.

Now what happens if you and I are flipping coins, but we still haven't worked out a list by midnight, as all many coins keep coming up tails. Well as per the lawful timeframe, whichever lawful mannor which the State's Legislature(s) chose to select, is what is in place when the sand runs out of the hourglass. So if we only have 5 names on our list, and there were 20 slots; well so be it; it's an incomplete list, and then follow the process with those 5 voting for POTUS/VP and tallying and signing and sending in their envelope to the joint session of congress to open with all the rest of the Nations envelopes.

The "Law" of the past Legislature, cannot override the current State Legislature; nothing can override the current State Legislature until the time runs out. The Time(frame) set by congress.

If 3 USC1 is legal, and if 3 USC 2 is unconstitutional, then that congressionally set timeframe was midnight on Election Day.

If 3 USC 2 is legal (at least for the next 2.5 weeks) then current State Legislatures can still go about appointing their State's Electors in whatever mannor they wish (so long as it's not itself unconstitutional or illegal, eg selling tickets/seats, death/cagematch, etc.).

No court, judge, law, executive officer, governor, clerk, coinflipper, software vendor, congress, legislature, etc. can tell the current State Legislature's HOW to appoint, and only congress can tell the current State Legislature's WHEN to appoint. The time(frame) WHEN can be argued over, because 3 USC2 includes a HOW, not just a WHEN, as per "muh democracy" in June 1948 a few months before November's 1948 post-midnight ballot stuffing for Truman beats Dewey rather than the headline of Dewey beats Truman; aka this is the crux of the midnight big Dem City late ballot stuffing to carry the "modern" era POTUS contests.

This is why my spam post, is the inescapable legal WIN&WIN, it doesn't give the judges/courts or opponents any wiggle room, not one inch. So they either find their spines and uphold the Constitution, or resign(/impeached) for nakedly Oathbreaking. All the lengthy things, get resolved separately from Electors, with lots of winning like cleaning out Dem majorities in CA, IL, NY in time for US Census redistricting this next session of State Houses & congress.

I'm still under very heavy communications blackout here on the Front Lines, nearly all my bandwidth I can get out/in I use here at TD. So any other pedes who can keep spreading the word is most appreciated and required. *hugs

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oxygen [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

it's always the BIg Guy's card, even if he's deligated it or set up a process to follow; he can always override at any point so long as the time(frame) is valid.

Right, and that's what Senator Mastriano's resolution does. It is necessary.

No court, judge, law, executive officer, governor, clerk, coinflipper, software vendor, congress, legislature, etc. can tell the current State Legislature's HOW to appoint,

No, but the state legislature can. That's what you're missing. The state legislature made the current rules in PA. In order for them to do something else, they have to amend their own rules, and that's what this resolution does.

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540k-Again 1 point ago +1 / -0

There's parts in that resolution which don't do this, and are contrary to it, such as the very important #6.

  1. Urges the United States Congress to declare the selection of presidential electors in this Commonwealth to be in dispute.

What is missing in that resolution and paradym, is the basic premise and understanding, that by (taking the action of) the State Legislature action of the very act of passing it's own Slate of Electors, this (will) supercede's all previous actions by themselves (this legislature); themselves (past legislatures); or anyone else in any branch or layer of government.

By filling in all those other things into this, it gives opponents (and judges) dozens of legal angles to attack and tie up the Electors. And statements like #6 give any spinelss judge/court a legal out, by saying let congess deal with it.

And these things are terrible, never give them easy attacks or spineless ways out, especially when trying to muster a quarum of courage within a legislative body.

Take the high ground and hold it!

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oxygen [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

Ignoring the rest of your comment, where are you reading from? Here's the resolution I see:

https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/Legis/CSM/showMemoPublic.cfm?chamber=S&SPick=20190&cosponId=32629&mobile_choice=suppress