Punitive damages and restitution are taxable, atty fees and such as well. Emotional distress is taxed. Compensation to physical injury is not taxed. Everything else depends on specific types of damages rewarded. I'm not a lawyer, but I watched Perry Mason and Matlock quite a bit.
As a Medical Doctor on TV I have certain legal insights, as a Doctor of Law, uniquely qualified to gauge the tightness of Barry Obama's sphincter at this moment. As some pede that watched Big Mike on Ellen I know where the beef is. It's being tossed into a van.
There is nothing more dangerous than a cornered narcissist that's looking at prison and disgrace. As we approach that moment when rats start leaving the sinking ship, looking for a deal, the entertainment level at dot Win is going to skyrocket.
Sorry to poke fun at serious business, the Republic is still in danger, but there are going to be some really bumpy nights for Dims.
They are obviously not going to be held criminally liable, but there's hope they can be civilly liable. I hope they all lose everything they own, including Carter Page garnishing their FBI retirement accounts.
We can probably look at OJ Simpson as a guide. No jail, but a successful, big ass civil suit.
Agree fren. I am ready to retire from current career to something new. Be right in my career field to help fill in that gutting with fresh patriots trained in actual legal investigation techniques. We could open a wagon fixing shop in many cities throughout our lands.
Odds are each individual defendant will undertake their own defense... starting with a motion arguing they should be dismissed from the suit. It ought to be very entertaining.
From the article
"In Bivens, the Supreme Court held that a plaintiff is entitled to damages from the individual government actors responsible for violating the plaintiff’s Fourth Amendment right to be free of unreasonable searches and seizures, when the defendants act willfully, knowingly, or with a reckless disregard for the truth—which describes precisely what the Crossfire Hurricane team did in submitting the four false and misleading FISA applications to the FISA court."
So it looks like there is an opportunity to hurt them directly if it all pans out. And I hope it does, it will send the signal to future agents thinking about abusing their power.
It appears they were all individually named (including John Does 1-10 and Jane Does 1-10)... as well as DOJ as a department, I believe. I am not an attorney, but I believe absent an indemnification agreement for defense of criminal acts the agency cannot undertake defense of named individuals . Law pedes wanna chime in?
ATF needed to be disbanded and sued to hell after Waco. No idea how they've been able to continue on in the same capacity for so many years. They are genuinely criminals
The name Crossfire Hurricane still makes me laugh. Completely amateurish, something a nine year old playing 007 would come up with. I would argue the FBI should be disbanded based off them making up that name for their secret investigation alone.
You can laugh all you want. But they didnt just decide to come up with something this odd on their own. Not that creative. The #SpyGate conspirators (FBI) used the code name “Crossfire Hurricane” because they were all using a contractor called Hurricane Electric, which has access to all of the Barack Obama and James Comey FBI surveillance programs on private American citizens.
That's great, really. I hope he wins. But Carter Page walking away w/ $75M of taxpayer money isn't going to help President Trump continue his office in January.
Right. Taxpayers are on the line and if he is awarded his request it is as much a misjustice to us as anything that ever went on against the rest of us by the same government. My only hope is our government is forced to surrender.
There needs to be some sort of protection or consequence for having your life ruined by corruption.
Perhaps Carter Page can placate those fears by starting an organisation to expose this sort of corruption or lending financial aid to one that already exists, etc.
In Bivens v Six Unknown Named Agents, each individual government actor was responsible for violating the rights of Bivens. Sounds like that means out of the agents pockets, not govt.
Of course if he is suing the organization directly that’s probably tax $. Same thing as suing police departments - it’s tax money.
But it’s $75 mil total, not per defendant. Definitely won’t be all tax money. Another good thing is it comes out of their existing budget, so it’s less money for spying on Americans.
In an eight-count complaint filed Friday in the D.C. District Court, Carter Page seeks damages of no less than $75 million from the U.S. government, the Department of Justice, the Federal Bureau of Investigations, and individuals responsible for obtaining four illegal Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act orders against Page.
People sue whoever has the deepest pockets. That’s the taxpayer.
These incompetent fools are costing the tax payers billions of money.
If people really understood how incompetent and how much of our money and rights these idiots abuse and take advantage of, heads would be on the end of sticks
As are the incompetent idiots who are supposed to hold them accountable .. Barr and Durham, who have promptly done jack shit despite the mountain of evidence of fuckery.
As Barr said about a year ago “These things take time.” Yeah bull crap, O and Holder brought all kinds of trouble to journalist quite easily. So don’t give me that crap.
Unfortunately, in Clownworld the taxpayers pay any judgments against the government. It's insult to injury from us citizen's perspective, but even so I wish Mr. Page success.
Oooh, this is interesting. The named defendants are being sued in their "individual capacity" (i.e., acting as themselves/distinct from their roll as an officer, employee, or agent), which is an important distinction.
In terms of Flynn's case, this section seems the most relevant:
Indeed, some pardons expressly state that they are based on the pardoner's decision that the defendant was actually innocent; and some legal rules expressly contemplate that—consider, for instance, the federal statute that provides for compensation of the unjustly convicted, which allows a plaintiff to prevail by showing (among other things) "that he has been pardoned upon the stated ground of innocence and unjust conviction." UPDATE: The Justice Department Standards for Consideration of Clemency Petitioners also expressly contemplate the possibility of "pardon on grounds of innocence or miscarriage of justice," though they unsurprisingly note that such applicants "bear a formidable burden of persuasion" (since the Justice Department's strong presumption is that people convicted in federal court were indeed justly convicted).
It's working Pedes, we must continue to proclaim 2 Chronicles 20 and bring confusion to the camp of the enemy!
2 Chronicles 20:20-24 -
20 And they rose early in the morning, and went forth into the wilderness of Tekoa: and as they went forth, Jehoshaphat stood and said, Hear me, O Judah, and ye inhabitants of Jerusalem; Believe in the Lord your God, so shall ye be established; believe his prophets, so shall ye prosper.
21 And when he had consulted with the people, he appointed singers unto the Lord, and that should praise the beauty of holiness, as they went out before the army, and to say, Praise the Lord; for his mercy endureth for ever.
22 And when they began to sing and to praise, the Lord set ambushments against the children of Ammon, Moab, and mount Seir, which were come against Judah; and they were smitten.
23 For the children of Ammon and Moab stood up against the inhabitants of mount Seir, utterly to slay and destroy them: and when they had made an end of the inhabitants of Seir, every one helped to destroy another.
24 And when Judah came toward the watch tower in the wilderness, they looked unto the multitude, and, behold, they were dead bodies fallen to the earth, and none escaped.
25 And when Jehoshaphat and his people came to take away the spoil of them, they found among them in abundance both riches with the dead bodies, and precious jewels, which they stripped off for themselves, more than they could carry away: and they were three days in gathering of the spoil, it was so much.
"It's like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before your 40." They were actually talking about insurance. Personal liability in case they were sued by righteously pissed off private citizens who were being surveilled by their government illegally. Too bad those clauses don't work BECAUSE YOU WERE COMMITTING TREASON.
He will win or settle for a very large amount but the media will still claim that there’s no evidence that Trump was spied on and even after all this there will still be no one held accountable or going to jail. 🤡 🌎
Target their pensions. As well every dollar they make writing books or getting speaker deals....Page should really drive it at them...make it worse than a papercut.
That's exactly what I was thinking. 'Sueing the government for money'????? You mean MY FUCKING TAX DOLLARS?!?! They ain't gonna pay shit outta their pockets
I wish I were Carter Page right about now
Soon to be a multi millionaire
Do you have to pay taxes on a won lawsuit against the US government?
Part of the settlement should be never having to pay taxes again.
That's only the case if you save the planet from an asteroid.
And a date with Serena Williams
Keep the money
I UNDERSTOOD THAT REFERENCE! I understood that reference. /cap
MeToo. We have the best shitposters, no problem there
As long as I get to stay in the white horse!
...and none of his descendants either.
Al Sharpton when the tax bill comes
Funny as phuk
That'll happen in POTUS' next term.
Punitive damages and restitution are taxable, atty fees and such as well. Emotional distress is taxed. Compensation to physical injury is not taxed. Everything else depends on specific types of damages rewarded. I'm not a lawyer, but I watched Perry Mason and Matlock quite a bit.
Soooooo you’re more qualified to speak to what’s legal than 80% of lawyers?
By this logic, my grandmother should be on the Supreme Court.
Your grandmother would be better than John Roberts, I am certain.
As a Medical Doctor on TV I have certain legal insights, as a Doctor of Law, uniquely qualified to gauge the tightness of Barry Obama's sphincter at this moment. As some pede that watched Big Mike on Ellen I know where the beef is. It's being tossed into a van.
There is nothing more dangerous than a cornered narcissist that's looking at prison and disgrace. As we approach that moment when rats start leaving the sinking ship, looking for a deal, the entertainment level at dot Win is going to skyrocket.
Sorry to poke fun at serious business, the Republic is still in danger, but there are going to be some really bumpy nights for Dims.
We are all things that go bump in the night for Dims now ...
The bumping is about to get MOAB.
Updoot. Style points.
Interesting. If I were to assume, I would say yes. When they can get on a tit, they'll take the milk.
No. Its tax free ( it is a settlement) not income
If he doesn't shoot himself in the back of the head 4 times.
with the serial number on the gun somehow missing, and in handcuffs.
and found in a zipped-up dufflebag
We need to ability to sue individuals too
Merry Christmas, Deep State!
He did hire an excellent lawyer.
Who downvotes this?
Lurking clowns unite!
dyslexic lurkers untie!
5 out of 3 lurkers are indeed dyslexic.
From what I understand, some government officials can be sued personally if their errors are egregious enough. Not sure if these clowns can
True for now - not for always.
They are obviously not going to be held criminally liable, but there's hope they can be civilly liable. I hope they all lose everything they own, including Carter Page garnishing their FBI retirement accounts.
We can probably look at OJ Simpson as a guide. No jail, but a successful, big ass civil suit.
I think their errors are WAY outside the scope of their employment. They ran roughshod over the regulations in their own handbooks.
I think you mean "conservative enough"
USC 42 S1983. Civil rights violations. May include individual liability (no qualified immunity) and vicarious liability.
Pay with treason charges let's hope
Agree fren. I am ready to retire from current career to something new. Be right in my career field to help fill in that gutting with fresh patriots trained in actual legal investigation techniques. We could open a wagon fixing shop in many cities throughout our lands.
Members of the FBI were concerned over the continued investigation of Gen Flynn, they decided to purchase personal liability insurance.
Indeed. The poor bastard selling those policies to his buddies in the DOJ is about to lose his boat.
That was the point where you know they are scum
Good luck finding them.
Odds are each individual defendant will undertake their own defense... starting with a motion arguing they should be dismissed from the suit. It ought to be very entertaining.
Is he going after the individuals or the government?
will they get government lawyers?
This is great if he can hurt them directly. If he's just getting cash from the tax payers, there is no lesson to be learned for those involved.
From the article "In Bivens, the Supreme Court held that a plaintiff is entitled to damages from the individual government actors responsible for violating the plaintiff’s Fourth Amendment right to be free of unreasonable searches and seizures, when the defendants act willfully, knowingly, or with a reckless disregard for the truth—which describes precisely what the Crossfire Hurricane team did in submitting the four false and misleading FISA applications to the FISA court."
So it looks like there is an opportunity to hurt them directly if it all pans out. And I hope it does, it will send the signal to future agents thinking about abusing their power.
An opportunity to hurt them directly, that's all I ask for. Santa, I've been good this year.
It appears they were all individually named (including John Does 1-10 and Jane Does 1-10)... as well as DOJ as a department, I believe. I am not an attorney, but I believe absent an indemnification agreement for defense of criminal acts the agency cannot undertake defense of named individuals . Law pedes wanna chime in?
That damn smile :)
https://i.imgur.com/xm71ALK.png
I'd say that reduces the odds of an employer-funded defense, wouldn't you?
Stryok needs to be one of the first in line for the new ... penalties. That fucker ...
They should all do it at the same time though. Keep the DOJ busy.
ATF needed to be disbanded and sued to hell after Waco. No idea how they've been able to continue on in the same capacity for so many years. They are genuinely criminals
ATF is ASSHOLE
The name Crossfire Hurricane still makes me laugh. Completely amateurish, something a nine year old playing 007 would come up with. I would argue the FBI should be disbanded based off them making up that name for their secret investigation alone.
You can laugh all you want. But they didnt just decide to come up with something this odd on their own. Not that creative. The #SpyGate conspirators (FBI) used the code name “Crossfire Hurricane” because they were all using a contractor called Hurricane Electric, which has access to all of the Barack Obama and James Comey FBI surveillance programs on private American citizens.
That's great, really. I hope he wins. But Carter Page walking away w/ $75M of taxpayer money isn't going to help President Trump continue his office in January.
No...
But perhaps we can; if only we stop being pussies.
Right. Taxpayers are on the line and if he is awarded his request it is as much a misjustice to us as anything that ever went on against the rest of us by the same government. My only hope is our government is forced to surrender.
There needs to be some sort of protection or consequence for having your life ruined by corruption.
Perhaps Carter Page can placate those fears by starting an organisation to expose this sort of corruption or lending financial aid to one that already exists, etc.
I doubt it will be taxpayer $
In Bivens v Six Unknown Named Agents, each individual government actor was responsible for violating the rights of Bivens. Sounds like that means out of the agents pockets, not govt.
Of course if he is suing the organization directly that’s probably tax $. Same thing as suing police departments - it’s tax money.
But it’s $75 mil total, not per defendant. Definitely won’t be all tax money. Another good thing is it comes out of their existing budget, so it’s less money for spying on Americans.
" Sounds like that means out of the agents pockets" So you aren't sure
Also "Agents" vs the top dogs, yea I don't see them paying a cent.
Would it be taxpayer money, or would any of it be from individuals? This is most of the conversation upthread.
People sue whoever has the deepest pockets. That’s the taxpayer.
These lawsuits have been awesome so far!
BEST OF LUCK CARTER PAGE, WE ARE WITH YOU!
The lead lawyer is a total badass. @McAdooGordon on Twitter. BFFs with Margot Cleveland
Discovery should prove to be very enlightening.
They can't do that. Think they will settle or does Page have a freak accident?
These incompetent fools are costing the tax payers billions of money.
If people really understood how incompetent and how much of our money and rights these idiots abuse and take advantage of, heads would be on the end of sticks
As are the incompetent idiots who are supposed to hold them accountable .. Barr and Durham, who have promptly done jack shit despite the mountain of evidence of fuckery.
Tree of Liberty
I was all enthralled with heads on pikes, but this is good too ...
And CNN will completely ignore it when he wins
Barr and Durham will be bringing indictments any day now ...
Any. Day. Now.
As Barr said about a year ago “These things take time.” Yeah bull crap, O and Holder brought all kinds of trouble to journalist quite easily. So don’t give me that crap.
THE INDICTMENTS ARE UPON US! ANY SECOND NOW!
tRuSt ThE pLaN?
How about
NO
Next week BIG
Screw indictments, where is the strongly worded letters? We need those letters to put these people in their place.
In this case, I am OK with taxpayer money being given to this guy. He deserves it.
I'm not. What about everyone else in America who was spied on and suffered because of America's spy industry?
MAKE THEM PAY!
give it to him, and take it out of the program's budget, permanently. Defund the FBI.
I'm not OK with that, nor should you be. What a stupid comment.
Unfortunately, in Clownworld the taxpayers pay any judgments against the government. It's insult to injury from us citizen's perspective, but even so I wish Mr. Page success.
He's named individual defendants. No one here seems that sure how this works. Sounds like a"Court has latitude" thing?
Oooh, this is interesting. The named defendants are being sued in their "individual capacity" (i.e., acting as themselves/distinct from their roll as an officer, employee, or agent), which is an important distinction.
:) How sweeeeet it is!
Spoiler alert. They'll dismiss the case because they saw no evidence after telling page he couldn't present evidence.
will Flynn do the same?
can Trump do something similar? they spied on his campaign
Everyone gets $75 million!!!
Of our taxpayer money at no expense to the real criminals!
And you get 75MM, and YOU get 75MM ...
I don't think Flynn can, because he was pardoned. A pardon, unfortunately, counts as an admission of guilt.
It's definitely not a clear cut issue. https://reason.com/volokh/2017/08/26/is-accepting-a-pardon-an-admis/
In terms of Flynn's case, this section seems the most relevant:
That would be relevant.
Curiouser and curiouser
TAXATION IS THEFT
Don't give up any taxpayer money
Dam is breaking.
It's working Pedes, we must continue to proclaim 2 Chronicles 20 and bring confusion to the camp of the enemy!
21 And when he had consulted with the people, he appointed singers unto the Lord, and that should praise the beauty of holiness, as they went out before the army, and to say, Praise the Lord; for his mercy endureth for ever. 22 And when they began to sing and to praise, the Lord set ambushments against the children of Ammon, Moab, and mount Seir, which were come against Judah; and they were smitten. 23 For the children of Ammon and Moab stood up against the inhabitants of mount Seir, utterly to slay and destroy them: and when they had made an end of the inhabitants of Seir, every one helped to destroy another. 24 And when Judah came toward the watch tower in the wilderness, they looked unto the multitude, and, behold, they were dead bodies fallen to the earth, and none escaped. 25 And when Jehoshaphat and his people came to take away the spoil of them, they found among them in abundance both riches with the dead bodies, and precious jewels, which they stripped off for themselves, more than they could carry away: and they were three days in gathering of the spoil, it was so much.
It's going to be
BIBLICAL!
Disssssccooovveerryyy!!
Discovery for this will be insane.
And since this is clown world, that means it will be sanity inducing, eliciting peace of mind and contentment.
I'm down
Discovery
Which is taxpayer money and they will somehow get more.
No! No more. Because fuck them. And the horse they rode in on. (I'm not sure about their little dog Toto, he might be ok)
Take it outta Comey's pension.
NOW we're talking.
Pay that man what you owe, filthy mutts
That guy is gonna be able to buy a boat soon.
He even lost his girlfriend because she believed the fake accusations. He deserves every penny.
$75 MM for losing a gf?!? Damn, I've been robbed! Lol
Good.
Fuck yes!
"It's like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before your 40." They were actually talking about insurance. Personal liability in case they were sued by righteously pissed off private citizens who were being surveilled by their government illegally. Too bad those clauses don't work BECAUSE YOU WERE COMMITTING TREASON.
Comey has been sued before for this sort of thing.
How'd I miss that?
Do it again!
I’m cool with taxpayers picking up some of that as long as they bankrupt Comey, Brennan, McCabe...
And they go to prison.
The only way to get to the bottom of the corruption and conspiracy.
He will win or settle for a very large amount but the media will still claim that there’s no evidence that Trump was spied on and even after all this there will still be no one held accountable or going to jail. 🤡 🌎
We can fix that an we don' need no stinking badjshes!
Trump should just have the government admit fault in this civil suit. It would open doors for criminal proceedings.
they need to be removed, ASAP!
Is there a way we can do that? What's the legal remedy?
I always thought he was a mole, still do
It's alway looking more likely. This dude is a dud.
Thanks Mods!
Wooohoooo! Badass! Flynn needs to follow suit ASAP!!
get it from the individuals that did it, how is US paying you any kind of punishment
The fact that he’s only now suing has my testies tingling..
As a US taxpayer, I approve of my taxes being given to Carter Page in compensation for the abuse he suffered, where my taxes were also used
Target their pensions. As well every dollar they make writing books or getting speaker deals....Page should really drive it at them...make it worse than a papercut.
GEOTUS should sue for $2 BILLION
Tax money ill gladly pay.
I'm glad you pay more than me! I'm not glad.
So the tax payers will have to pay for the crimes of these traitors once again.
Yeah take my tax dollars Carter. And Barr can GO FUCK HIMSELF
That's exactly what I was thinking. 'Sueing the government for money'????? You mean MY FUCKING TAX DOLLARS?!?! They ain't gonna pay shit outta their pockets