The proper term to use is CFR, Case Fatality Rate. That is the fatality rate for those who have had COVID-19.
The CDC estimates their influenza numbers every season. They may see 1 million cases that present at a doctor's clinic or hospital, but they will estimate using what basically amounts to polling. So, 1 million KNOWN cases may end up being 20 million estimated cases or more. Their flu CFR numbers are based on this higher estimate.
So, the KNOWN COVID-19 cases in the U.S. is now about 14 million. Deaths that have COVID-19 on the death certificate are at about 270K. That IS roughly 2%,
But, the CDC is comparing apples to railroad ties if they do not ALSO inflate the COVID-19 cases in the same way they do influenza.
Best guess is... COVID-19 CFR number would be a like a bad flu season.
Bullshit numbers. CDC already admitted that only 9,000 deaths were from the virus alone, and who knows if you can trust that number. “Cases” is meaningless when you cycle PCR tests 40+ times. 20 cycles is the standards. Each cycle doubles the count.
Also they count per season instead of just having a running tally to get a big scary number. They're gaming the statistics every way they can. If it was nearly as bad as fake news says, they wouldn't need to play with the numbers to exaggerate.
So far this year, 2.39 million Americans have died of all causes. At the same point in both 2018 and 2019, it was 2.17 million. The difference nearly matches the reported number of COVID-19 victims.
We're in week 47 right now and the total dead is 2.81 million.
Weeks 48 - 52 in 2019 saw 286,000 deaths
If we follow the 2019 trend we'll end up at 3.1 million, if we continue at 2020 trend it will be even higher.
My guess is that COVID deaths will be significant but a lot lower than what we're being told, and the remaining excess deaths are caused by the shutdowns.
“in contrast to most people’s assumptions, the number of deaths by COVID-19 is not alarming. In fact, it has relatively no effect on deaths in the United States.”
Briand was quoted in the article as saying, “All of this points to no evidence that COVID-19 created any excess deaths. Total death numbers are not above normal death numbers.” This claim is incorrect and does not take into account the spike in raw death count from all causes compared to previous years. According to the CDC, there have been almost 300,000 excess deaths due to COVID-19. Additionally, Briand presented data of total U.S. deaths in comparison to COVID-19-related deaths as a proportion percentage, which trivializes the repercussions of the pandemic. This evidence does not disprove the severity of COVID-19; an increase in excess deaths is not represented in these proportionalities because they are offered as percentages, not raw numbers.
I know tons of people who had “the worst flu of my life but tested flu negative” back in December through Feb. (all of them recovered, by the way). Then we all know there are lots of asymptomatic. So we have those who tested positive + asymptomatics + sick but not tested. That is probably a huge number.
My kids got a mild lingering flu negative something back in Jan. They acted like they felt fine but spiked fevers for several days and then had lingering coughs for like two weeks.
If it’s as contagious as “they say it is™️“ then there is no way that just about everyone in the country hasn’t had it. I go to Walmart at least once a week - and I probably touch my face before I wash my hands more often than not, so how could I not have been exposed?
So I’m being a little facetious with my 350m estimate, but my point is that it’s either not as contagious as they would have us believe, not as deadly, or most likely BOTH.
My guess is that globohomo manufacturered every element of this hoax to ram through their communist/corporatist agenda. Believe nothing. Statistics are just a distraction for the docile.
I suppose it could all be made up, but since the best lies usually have an element of truth, I suspect that the virus is real, while all of the “facts” about the virus used to whip up hysteria are manufactured.
I know one person who claims they were sick and lost their sense of taste. They supposedly tested positive for wufru. Their political leanings would not prohibit them from exaggerating though, so I take it with a grain of salt.
I know many other people who got sick and claimed to have tested positive for the wufru. I know many many more who tested positive with no symptoms ever.
I don’t know anyone who has died with the virus or been hospitalized from the virus, while I do know a shit ton of people who supposedly tested positive, so in my experience it’s more like 0.00% if we believe the tests at all.
Number of COVID deaths is not higher than a bad flu season. And no, that is not because WiThOuT lOcKdOwNs It WoUlD hAvE bEeN wOrSe, because lockdowns don't work.
As an engineer it frustrates me that most people cannot comprehend numbers. If you tell them the number of COVID deaths they are shocked. But if you tell them the number of flu deaths they are somehow not able to put it in perspective.
Who the fuck said it was 2%? It's less than 1% and if you're anyone under 65, it's about .04%!
It's a fucking hoax. A joke. But!...it has taught me one thing....people are sheep and BEG to be told what to do. They're stupid and don't want to think for themselves. Absolute cowards in every way.
Your opinion changed to its serious? After treating that many people? Because your father got it bad? (Sounds exactly how the flu operates btw. Some people get it bad. Some really bad, and some barely at all. Wtf are you even talking about?! )
Your reasoning is faulty. Your opinion change based on one example. But all of the real data says you are wrong. You aren’t helping the cause of reason, liberty, and truth. You are helping the cause of fear mongering and irrational beliefs based on nothing sound.
STFU!
We don’t need or want your kind of help. Go spew your pseudo intellectual propaganda on reddit. They will lap it up there.
I’m done listening to anyone trying to add weight to an actual debunked narrative being shoved in our faces from Communist sources. If you aren’t with us(American Patriots), you are with our enemies(communists).
Choose your side, time is short. It’s all about to blow up.
I think it also falls under my "people's lives are humdrum and they welcome something that adds a little excitement" doctrine. This also applies to people who seem to always be getting in shouting matches with their neighbors over trivial shit.
Just a reminder - this is rate is determined by raw data. Those who tested positive, and those who have died. If we did this with the flu the mortality rate would be close to ten percent. So, we also estimate how many people got if, but never came to the doctor or received testing. This lowers it dramatically. So the 2% narrative that they’re pushing does not include those who never even get that sick or tested.
Yup flu seasons happen when climate changes thats when the body goes i to detox so in spring colds and fall flus generally. This is why when you go on vacation to the tropics you tend to have a detox the body is 90% bacteria the problems come when youve killed them off and have problems digesting etc since they perform many many functions. Antibiotics are literal poison and force your body to stop cleaning itself and deal with the danger. Research Aajonus Vonderplanitz for complete refutation of germ theory of disease(viruses not contagious) how to cure cancer and live past 200 simply by eating raw meat. Animals who eat their natural diet dont get diseases its unnatural. Not an evotardist but we have an ideal diet its just if you dont pasteurize and cook everything it becomes less profitable for big food and then big pharma that would go bankrupt if people ate raw meat/raw fat.
The problem I have is that an 81 YO male with diabetes can die from even the flimsiest cold. But gov't have applied the scorched earth approach and treat the entire population like they are a severe risk.
How did that go? I’m in line for a rapid PCR test right now, started with the cough last night and achy and warm this morning. But the odd thing was not tasting very well over thanksgiving. I chocked it up to the fact that I just got dental implants the week before and either some nerve damage had happened or the prescription rinse I was using fried my taste buds. But now I wonder if it was covid...did your tongue tingle at all? The tip of mine felt numb off and on.
Lucky you have rapid testing near you. I just did a CVS lab test so I've got 2-3 days turnaround.
No tongue tingling here. My first symptoms were aches and chills (confirmed fever around 102), then a cough, now sore throat and losing taste/smell (slash also getting phantom smells or at least things smell odd in some cases). With the loss of taste and smell, I'm pretty darn sure it's covid -- before that it was just like any other flu for the most part. Some GI issues but those seem to have resolved relatively quickly.
I've been taking a bunch of mucinex and tylenol to get shit out of my lungs and knock the fever and aches down. It's been working pretty well.
Oh good. I was wondering about Mucinex. My cough isn’t too bad atm, it’s the aches that got me today. Been taking Quercetin, NAC, C, D, and Zinc for a couple months so hopefully that’ll boost me along to get over it quickly. I think the taste thing must’ve been the hardcore mouthwash then, kek.
CASE mortality rate is 2%. This is total dead / total cases. A case is anyone suspected of having it, positive or not. This number is useless. It should never be shared among the population. It is propaganda at best.
INFECTED mortality rate is way lower. This is total dead / total infected. No one knows how many are or were infected. We suspect this is < 0.05% for those with comorbidities. (It is 0% for those without comorbidities.)
TOTAL mortality is even lower. Total mortality rate = total dead / total population. This is the number we use for flus. The flu kills about 0.1% of the total population each year. No comorbidities. Children and young adults die all the time from the flu.
We have vaccines coming that are 95% effective for a virus that has a 99.9% survival rate. So, the CCP virus is going to be like 99.99995% survival rate.
I see heart attack, pneumonia, diabetes, car wreck, and gun shot wound mortality rates making a comeback in 2021.
Case fatality is irrelevant when it comes to covid, the news media uses the term 'cases' incorrectly (what they are actually referring to is infections). Infection mortality rate is the stat that matters, and it's way under 1%.
Mortality is not even 0.3% based on the inflated numbers they run with.
Anyone can do the math. Look at the total possible covid infections (POSSIBLE, not documented) based on studies where they've canvased state by state. Take even the minimum total infections and divide it by THEIR fake count and you get 0.29%
If you scrub the most egregious deaths from car crashes, suicides and terminal cancers and heart disease attributed to covid, divide the most likely total infection average from it, the death rate drops to .15... so basically the flu.
I did this, and i hate math and i hate having to dig through google's censored and curated search results. I just hate being lied to even more.
Hey faggot, the actual data from the cdc quotes 0.2% death rate you illiterate retard. You keep doubling down when youre off by a FUCKING FACTOR OF TEN. You are misleading massive amounts of people with this post convincing them covid is TEN TIMES deadlier than it is. Fucking retards like you are why people are still masking up when they should be treating it like the common coldm but instead of fixing your mistake, fucking caveman Crug over here gets off on his dopamine from likes, and is convinced he's right!
Maybe you should realize that most people use hard factual data when calculating formulas.
I am trying to highlight that even the facts that the MSM use is showing a great decrease in morality.
So sick of all these comments targeting me for bringing the actual published facts up and showing the MSM is lying about how deadly the disease is
I am thru posting on this toxic site since some people here are just looking for a fight and act like their viewpoint is the only viewpoint.
I can go to reddit for these crappy comments and deal with fucktards like these comments that have to disagree with everything
Stating things like "deaths and cases don't realistically account for the giant asymtomatic population' which is a perception and not actual numbers that can be used to prove to the liberal idiots that Covid is not very deadly
Look, it's not lethal, but it still strains the hospital system due to contagion in combination with the really bad flus we were having since 2017 (which the CdC is now not tracking) which can also result in false positives.
The narrative that "ItS nOt LetHal", while true, is ignoring the impact and other factors and real world impact.
mortality rate is not 2%
If the mortality is 2% why do over 99.9% survive?
The proper term to use is CFR, Case Fatality Rate. That is the fatality rate for those who have had COVID-19.
The CDC estimates their influenza numbers every season. They may see 1 million cases that present at a doctor's clinic or hospital, but they will estimate using what basically amounts to polling. So, 1 million KNOWN cases may end up being 20 million estimated cases or more. Their flu CFR numbers are based on this higher estimate.
So, the KNOWN COVID-19 cases in the U.S. is now about 14 million. Deaths that have COVID-19 on the death certificate are at about 270K. That IS roughly 2%,
But, the CDC is comparing apples to railroad ties if they do not ALSO inflate the COVID-19 cases in the same way they do influenza.
Best guess is... COVID-19 CFR number would be a like a bad flu season.
Bullshit numbers. CDC already admitted that only 9,000 deaths were from the virus alone, and who knows if you can trust that number. “Cases” is meaningless when you cycle PCR tests 40+ times. 20 cycles is the standards. Each cycle doubles the count.
Also they count per season instead of just having a running tally to get a big scary number. They're gaming the statistics every way they can. If it was nearly as bad as fake news says, they wouldn't need to play with the numbers to exaggerate.
What about the 300,000 excess mortality numbers the CDC touts?
it's not based on overall deaths.
they count weeks where deaths from specific causes are higher than 'average' & weeks with deaths below average are counted as "0".
Interesting, thank you
I think you're mistaken.
The CDC has weekly total deaths listed and we're up a lot this year in total deaths.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm#S2
https://www.cbs19.tv/article/news/health/coronavirus/verify-comparing-the-number-of-total-deaths-in-the-united-states-across-years/501-2aacbd08-466a-4d17-8452-e059df9aa6f3
I'm not mistaken. Look up excess deaths per the cdc and read the fine print.
The quote you posted goes on to say:
So far we are still below total deaths in 2018/19.
Good point, but we still have 5 weeks left
We're in week 47 right now and the total dead is 2.81 million.
Weeks 48 - 52 in 2019 saw 286,000 deaths
If we follow the 2019 trend we'll end up at 3.1 million, if we continue at 2020 trend it will be even higher.
My guess is that COVID deaths will be significant but a lot lower than what we're being told, and the remaining excess deaths are caused by the shutdowns.
Deboonked https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/11/27/johns-hopkins-study-saying-covid-19-has-relatively-no-effect-on-deaths-in-u-s-deleted-after-publication-n1178930?fbclid=IwAR3wpRKbSuD-J62CKCRcWs19HzEUOtjXb6g_-xSj-sV574Vs5fO7Qk430Tc
No, that says the percentage of deaths attributed to COVID is overstated, doesn't say anything about excess deaths this year.
Read it again.
From the follow up retraction:
https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19
My guess is that we’ve had about 350 million or so COVID cases in the US.
Most people just never got a test because they didn’t have any symptoms.
More like 0.02% then
I know tons of people who had “the worst flu of my life but tested flu negative” back in December through Feb. (all of them recovered, by the way). Then we all know there are lots of asymptomatic. So we have those who tested positive + asymptomatics + sick but not tested. That is probably a huge number.
My kids got a mild lingering flu negative something back in Jan. They acted like they felt fine but spiked fevers for several days and then had lingering coughs for like two weeks.
If it’s as contagious as “they say it is™️“ then there is no way that just about everyone in the country hasn’t had it. I go to Walmart at least once a week - and I probably touch my face before I wash my hands more often than not, so how could I not have been exposed?
So I’m being a little facetious with my 350m estimate, but my point is that it’s either not as contagious as they would have us believe, not as deadly, or most likely BOTH.
Like most of us believe, it's likely flu
My guess is that globohomo manufacturered every element of this hoax to ram through their communist/corporatist agenda. Believe nothing. Statistics are just a distraction for the docile.
I suppose it could all be made up, but since the best lies usually have an element of truth, I suspect that the virus is real, while all of the “facts” about the virus used to whip up hysteria are manufactured.
I know one person who claims they were sick and lost their sense of taste. They supposedly tested positive for wufru. Their political leanings would not prohibit them from exaggerating though, so I take it with a grain of salt.
I know many other people who got sick and claimed to have tested positive for the wufru. I know many many more who tested positive with no symptoms ever.
I don’t know anyone who has died with the virus or been hospitalized from the virus, while I do know a shit ton of people who supposedly tested positive, so in my experience it’s more like 0.00% if we believe the tests at all.
I agree. But the best way to fight someone is on their own ground. If you can win there... you win with no dispute.
Hospitals are ramping up those PCR tests to ridiculous levels. Why not? There's money to be made from each and every COVID-19 positive.
Factor out co-morbities it's like 7% of deaths would be purely COVID. That would mean out if 300K 'deaths' it would be 21,000.
Now guess how many people die each year from 'the flu' by itself.
Number of COVID deaths is not higher than a bad flu season. And no, that is not because WiThOuT lOcKdOwNs It WoUlD hAvE bEeN wOrSe, because lockdowns don't work.
As an engineer it frustrates me that most people cannot comprehend numbers. If you tell them the number of COVID deaths they are shocked. But if you tell them the number of flu deaths they are somehow not able to put it in perspective.
Who the fuck said it was 2%? It's less than 1% and if you're anyone under 65, it's about .04%!
It's a fucking hoax. A joke. But!...it has taught me one thing....people are sheep and BEG to be told what to do. They're stupid and don't want to think for themselves. Absolute cowards in every way.
Have you noticed anything in regard to blood types, vit D deficiency etc?
Your opinion changed to its serious? After treating that many people? Because your father got it bad? (Sounds exactly how the flu operates btw. Some people get it bad. Some really bad, and some barely at all. Wtf are you even talking about?! ) Your reasoning is faulty. Your opinion change based on one example. But all of the real data says you are wrong. You aren’t helping the cause of reason, liberty, and truth. You are helping the cause of fear mongering and irrational beliefs based on nothing sound. STFU!
We don’t need or want your kind of help. Go spew your pseudo intellectual propaganda on reddit. They will lap it up there. I’m done listening to anyone trying to add weight to an actual debunked narrative being shoved in our faces from Communist sources. If you aren’t with us(American Patriots), you are with our enemies(communists). Choose your side, time is short. It’s all about to blow up.
Maybe it's some sort of adaptive virus - RNGs your shit once it latches on.
But there's no getting away from a 99% survival rate.
I think it also falls under my "people's lives are humdrum and they welcome something that adds a little excitement" doctrine. This also applies to people who seem to always be getting in shouting matches with their neighbors over trivial shit.
Just a reminder - this is rate is determined by raw data. Those who tested positive, and those who have died. If we did this with the flu the mortality rate would be close to ten percent. So, we also estimate how many people got if, but never came to the doctor or received testing. This lowers it dramatically. So the 2% narrative that they’re pushing does not include those who never even get that sick or tested.
Recently the CDC Doc said something to the effect of "we're still only catching 1 in 8 cases". If that is the case divide all your rates by 8.
I detect a strong correlation between the coldness of an area and new cases. Just as if winter flu and pneumonia were setting in but now it's COVID.
Yup flu seasons happen when climate changes thats when the body goes i to detox so in spring colds and fall flus generally. This is why when you go on vacation to the tropics you tend to have a detox the body is 90% bacteria the problems come when youve killed them off and have problems digesting etc since they perform many many functions. Antibiotics are literal poison and force your body to stop cleaning itself and deal with the danger. Research Aajonus Vonderplanitz for complete refutation of germ theory of disease(viruses not contagious) how to cure cancer and live past 200 simply by eating raw meat. Animals who eat their natural diet dont get diseases its unnatural. Not an evotardist but we have an ideal diet its just if you dont pasteurize and cook everything it becomes less profitable for big food and then big pharma that would go bankrupt if people ate raw meat/raw fat.
It doesn't make much sense to talk about mortality rates when it varies wildly with age.
If you are a 65 YO female with no medical conditions your chance of dying from Covid-19 is 0.0438% or about one in 2300.
If you are an 81 YO male with diabetes then you have a 1 in 5 chance of dying.
If you are in high school, you have a one in 2,500,000 chance of dying.
https://www.cgdev.org/sites/default/files/predicted-covid-19-fatality-rates-based-age-sex-comorbidities-and-health-system-capacity.pdf
The problem I have is that an 81 YO male with diabetes can die from even the flimsiest cold. But gov't have applied the scorched earth approach and treat the entire population like they are a severe risk.
I just got it and I have to say, I've had worse flu. Weird af part is losing my sense of smell/taste which started today
How did that go? I’m in line for a rapid PCR test right now, started with the cough last night and achy and warm this morning. But the odd thing was not tasting very well over thanksgiving. I chocked it up to the fact that I just got dental implants the week before and either some nerve damage had happened or the prescription rinse I was using fried my taste buds. But now I wonder if it was covid...did your tongue tingle at all? The tip of mine felt numb off and on.
Lucky you have rapid testing near you. I just did a CVS lab test so I've got 2-3 days turnaround.
No tongue tingling here. My first symptoms were aches and chills (confirmed fever around 102), then a cough, now sore throat and losing taste/smell (slash also getting phantom smells or at least things smell odd in some cases). With the loss of taste and smell, I'm pretty darn sure it's covid -- before that it was just like any other flu for the most part. Some GI issues but those seem to have resolved relatively quickly.
I've been taking a bunch of mucinex and tylenol to get shit out of my lungs and knock the fever and aches down. It's been working pretty well.
Oh good. I was wondering about Mucinex. My cough isn’t too bad atm, it’s the aches that got me today. Been taking Quercetin, NAC, C, D, and Zinc for a couple months so hopefully that’ll boost me along to get over it quickly. I think the taste thing must’ve been the hardcore mouthwash then, kek.
Forgot a decimal and a zero before that 2
Covid audit now.
CASE mortality rate is 2%. This is total dead / total cases. A case is anyone suspected of having it, positive or not. This number is useless. It should never be shared among the population. It is propaganda at best.
INFECTED mortality rate is way lower. This is total dead / total infected. No one knows how many are or were infected. We suspect this is < 0.05% for those with comorbidities. (It is 0% for those without comorbidities.)
TOTAL mortality is even lower. Total mortality rate = total dead / total population. This is the number we use for flus. The flu kills about 0.1% of the total population each year. No comorbidities. Children and young adults die all the time from the flu.
Op is a huge misleading faggot. Mortality rate is 0.2% not 2%
Just fuck off, was trying to poke holes in the MSM narrative. You are a fuckign toxic jackass
When you overblown shit by a factor of 10x that's a yuuge deal.
Suck my cock
Oh just shut the fuck up. Its actual data from the CDC you moron. Stop living in your conspiracy ridden bubble world and get out of you mom's nasement
Those are rookie numbers. They are failing to treat COVID-19 on an outpatient basis, thereby running up the numbers for hospitalizations.
Malpractice. Evil people with blood on their hands.
We have vaccines coming that are 95% effective for a virus that has a 99.9% survival rate. So, the CCP virus is going to be like 99.99995% survival rate.
I see heart attack, pneumonia, diabetes, car wreck, and gun shot wound mortality rates making a comeback in 2021.
Case fatality is irrelevant when it comes to covid, the news media uses the term 'cases' incorrectly (what they are actually referring to is infections). Infection mortality rate is the stat that matters, and it's way under 1%.
2% is absolute bullshit
Try 0.02%
1.4 million deaths 7400 million humans. This was the first and worst year, the death rate will never exceed 0.02%
Mortality is not even 0.3% based on the inflated numbers they run with.
Anyone can do the math. Look at the total possible covid infections (POSSIBLE, not documented) based on studies where they've canvased state by state. Take even the minimum total infections and divide it by THEIR fake count and you get 0.29%
If you scrub the most egregious deaths from car crashes, suicides and terminal cancers and heart disease attributed to covid, divide the most likely total infection average from it, the death rate drops to .15... so basically the flu.
I did this, and i hate math and i hate having to dig through google's censored and curated search results. I just hate being lied to even more.
Hey faggot, the actual data from the cdc quotes 0.2% death rate you illiterate retard. You keep doubling down when youre off by a FUCKING FACTOR OF TEN. You are misleading massive amounts of people with this post convincing them covid is TEN TIMES deadlier than it is. Fucking retards like you are why people are still masking up when they should be treating it like the common coldm but instead of fixing your mistake, fucking caveman Crug over here gets off on his dopamine from likes, and is convinced he's right!
God gave mercy on your soul, faggot.
Not as of Nov 29 2020 1:32PM
265,166 / 13,142,997 = .0201754
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fcases-updates%2Fcases-in-us.html#cases_casesper100klast7days
Maybe you should realize that most people use hard factual data when calculating formulas. I am trying to highlight that even the facts that the MSM use is showing a great decrease in morality. So sick of all these comments targeting me for bringing the actual published facts up and showing the MSM is lying about how deadly the disease is
I am thru posting on this toxic site since some people here are just looking for a fight and act like their viewpoint is the only viewpoint.
I can go to reddit for these crappy comments and deal with fucktards like these comments that have to disagree with everything
Stating things like "deaths and cases don't realistically account for the giant asymtomatic population' which is a perception and not actual numbers that can be used to prove to the liberal idiots that Covid is not very deadly
fuck off jackass. stay in your retarded bubble of fucked up ideas
Look, it's not lethal, but it still strains the hospital system due to contagion in combination with the really bad flus we were having since 2017 (which the CdC is now not tracking) which can also result in false positives.
The narrative that "ItS nOt LetHal", while true, is ignoring the impact and other factors and real world impact.