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you hit on an important point here imo, I see this happen a loooot to the 'normie' tier dem voters, they cheer on the points they make, without thinking too hard about it, and spout hypocritical phrases like 'NO EVIDENCE'.
In fact, no matter how much evidence they have, the media will say he has no evidence. Even if they have Biden himself admitting to running the greatest election fraud in history, they would deny it exists, oh wait they already did:
"What I didn't put in the report was that at the end he gave me a choice – between a life of comfort or more torture. All I had to do was to say that I could see five lights when, in fact, there were only four."
"You didn't say it?"
"No! No. But I was going to. I would have told him anything. Anything at all! But more than that, I believed that I could see five lights”
“He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother."
Hang these traitors please! It’s all I ask for Christmas and my Birthday and the next Christmas and all my Birthdays after that... this actually needs to happen to send a message that has been long forgotten. Fuck around and find out!
You know that peach tree was bullshit, it’s the equivalent of getting clothes and socks THEY DON’T COUNT.... all I wanted was some damn LEGOS is that too much to ask for?!
Which is hilarious ... me being a normal Joe blow read the entire document and found all the "hi I'm guilty" info easily, and they expect lawyers who get a hardon looking through this stuff to miss it? They really do think we are stupid.
Ugh try literal villain in Leviticus. Moloch is a demonic deity that requires the blood of innocents. There’s too much documented history of people sacrificing their children to appease him and looking at the state of things that hasn’t changed.
I mean, the guy's name is LORD MALLOCH BROWN. I used to think the Malloch stuff was crazy talk but maybe had some small basis in reality. Now it's literally in our faces out in the open and we're supposed to pretend like it's not at least a little "odd." I men WTF?!!?
I've seen that connotation whenever I see his name but until now I never really focused on it. You're right. Someone named him that.
Wait is his first name "Lord"? Lord is a pretty evil name. Whenever people of faith use the word Lord I find it revolting, there's a whole secret history to that word and it's a slur to use it as a name substitution for God's real name.
Someone should make a white power sticker or swastika and put in the machines. Then have a black person file a complaint.
50 FBI and DOJ lawyers there in like 20 minutes
It is, in the most literal sense. It's like reading Alice in Wonderland, and watching it take shape before our eyes. The inmates are in charge of the asylum.
Watching old movies is great in many ways, but one thing that always makes me cringe is they often include some foreigner trying to learn the Constitution, and the others are like, study so you can be an American
Them saying Dominion has trade secrets at all in a market with virtually no competitors doing something that should not be anything more than a binary vote count is in and of itself troubling. If you’re going to count votes, you should be 100% transparent in all aspects because it’s the most consequential thing in the country.
Nearest I can see is them saying they have proprietary signature checking tech and potentially how they print ballots, but I can’t see anyone giving a flying fuck about how they check signatures since there’s not a chance in hell they have any kind of innovative OCR that can read the crap fest that is the human signature, or having discovered a new way to put ink on paper.
For counting itself, there isn’t even an algorithm. It’s a digital clicker.
I don't disagree, but the fact is that this isn't a difficult solution in software. It's that it's easier to produce an incredibly corrupt result.
But paper isn't entirely foolproof either, especially when you jettison the observers. It's not hard for them to turn around and print out a few hundred thousand ballots in the middle of the night.
The problem is that the only solution is legislative, I'm afraid, and possibly also through threat of force. i.e. anyone tampering with votes should be shot on sight. That's because there's a point in time where trust and integrity have to enter into the system. Without either of those, paper or machine tabulation ultimately doesn't matter.
That's where the audit process comes in and why deterministic builds are important.
If you dump the machine image and its, say, SHA256 sum matches exactly with the builds (or image) produced by a third party (or, ideally, anyone in the public), you are guaranteed that the image on the machine and the image built independently are identical. Multiple message digests could be used (SHA512, Whirlpool, BLAKE2) to validate that an unknown collision attack wasn't used to inject modified code while maintaining the same digest. Although, to my knowledge, no such attacks exist for the SHA-2 family, but it's a worthwhile strategy.
Now, there are some flaws with this. It would be possible to inject code modified in a way that a rootkit could produce an image that matches the exact checksum as expected (by replacing the parts that were modified with original copies when the image is dumped; or replace code at runtime when loaded into RAM), but that's where 3rd party audits are important and why the entire process needs to be open. In other words, it should be possible that someone with sufficient interest could produce an exact copy of the machine with the exact software and have it behave exactly as expected. The ROMs in use should be something a third party could audit the contents of and be guaranteed to know beyond a doubt that what's on the ROM is the exact image that was generated during the build process (probably inferring that the storage would need to be of an open design, and it would need to be manufactured in the US).
But, as I've posted elsewhere, the mistake everyone is making is that the problem scope isn't technological--it's legislative. As long as humans are involved in the process somewhere, there is an opportunity for corruption to take hold and an opportunity to switch votes. There needs to be penalties, they need to be enforced, and the entire system needs to be open whether the ballots are manually counted or machine counted.
yeah how many trade secrets can there be for a software that performs such a simple function? if, as people who know more about coding than me have stated, a freshman learning C++ could code a program to count votes, I don't think there would be any functions that need to be kept secret?
You're 100% correct. You don't even need the performance of writing the software directly in C or C++ to make this software. You could easily make this stuff in Java or C#. And the only data structure you need that directly translates to actual votes is an int! No floats needed, period! Should be the smallest program, easily done by freshman in a beginner's class on object oriented programming in Java.
Of course they'll spout off some bullshit about how the security of the software has proprietary security elements that could be hacked if shown to government officials...
Which is easily fixed by NOT CONNECTING THE MACHINES TO THE INTERNET IN THE FIRST PLACE! I'm so pissed off that our government is so corrupt that the American people are treated as stupid peasants whose common sense is dismissed completely and instead are insulted by ridiculous explanations for why an actual solution that would work is rayciss or too expensive to implement.
We have ways to prevent election fraud. The only reason why anyone would oppose them is because they want to leave themselves their option to cheat wide ass open. There really is no other explanation for this treachery. The evidence is there. It's all right in front of everyone who's paying attention to see and there is an army of traitors stepping up to stop it from ever coming to light immediately followed by a sea of idiots that believe every garbage word they say and will defy all logic in order to defend their snowflakey bitch bubbles from being burst by the truth of it all.
'Secret ballot' but not secret counters... who paid the counters? who intimidated who? What party affiliation do the counters have? There is no secrecy as a counter. There are receipts and they should all be fully audited to the max.
I mean why do we even need these things? How hard is it to put different results into different piles and then count them?
Most of these ballots, even with all the down ballots have like maybe 32 combinations or something. 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2. Get one of those mechanical lap counters. You can check and count 1 of these every 5 seconds after they are sorted.
Like even if you use no machines but a simple lap counter or even pad and paper. It’s still not that labor intensive if you can use a machine to sort the ballots.
A person could check that the ballot has been properly sorted and tally that ballot in about 5 seconds. Would only take that person about 1.4 hours to go through 1000 ballots. If you need 2.5 million done in 6 hours you would need to pay about 580 people for 6 hours work. 580 * 15 * 6 = ~52,000.
If you account for some basic inefficiency and double that it’s still only like $100,000 for the after sorting portion of the whole project. How much you bet they pay for each of those smartmatic machines?
They want to destroy the 2nd amendment.
They want to kill God and make people forget.
They want to force us into indoctrination camps they call public schools.
They want to destroy the family as a whole.
They don’t give a shit about marriage (attacking god).
They want to send our jobs to slave labor in foreign countries and watch the working class wither away and starve.
They want to tax the wealthy because they still don’t believe people can become wealthy without literally hurting the working class.
They attack freedom of speech because they are afraid of our words (fuck you resdit and Twitter).
Basically they hate everything about our way of life.
The world's most powerful oligarchy is putting the screws to all of the individual humans necessary to get the result they want. They don't care if people see it because everything is on the line/there's no real opposition to contest.
I'm not a lawyer but I rather this shit go to court out in the open rather than it be handled by our SS and Governor who are in bed with Dominion.
EDIT: It's a lot easier for me to redpill my normy friends in family by showing them the affidavits. Many non-lawyer people that I know are way too trusting of affidavits.
Look, we've been told math is racist therefore under an equitable arithmetic system we need to support the electoral candidate that pays the most, I mean supports anti-racist narratives.
Therefore 1 + 1 no longer should equal 2,but should be 1 + 0.25 = 2 for the person we like who will give us the most easy money, I mean deal with racial inequality. Whilst the person we don't like is 1 + 0.75 = 1.
This is ridiculous. People aren't allowed to withhold any other private records from subpoena - why this?
I know for a fact it is regular practice to have digital evidence, including proprietary hardware & code, examined by experts in digital forensics for court cases. I have NEVER, EVER seen a subpoena for such evidence denied on the grounds Georgia is trying for (it's my field). Are there sometimes workarounds where you might only be allowed to analyze certain parts of code or search for specific data? Yes. But you typically still have access to all of it - or you let someone from the other side run the queries, follow your instructions for examination, etc while you watch to ensure things are being examined properly. Are there NDAs signed by forensic examiners to protect from leaking proprietary info? Almost always. And anyone with credibility to defend their findings in this field, in a court of law, is not likely to ruin their own lives by breaching confidentiality.
Sadly, you are gonna see the ripple effects from CRT for at least another decade before it can be fully stomped out. Also, keep in mind there are millions of adults in their early to mid 20s who were raised on this garbage and see it as truth.
A rep in Congress went on the news and said they can't trust President Trump's knowledge after he leaves office. What he knows is "dangerous" to the safety of the nation.
The implication is really apparent. They're trying to move faster to instigate real war.
yeah, there should be no trade secrets when it comes to the machines we rely on for our elections. what competition exists and why? how would one company do "vote += 1" better than another?
That's what I would prefer. But, if we're going to use machines to count, they should at least be running code that is open source and available for review.
As a software-engineer, voting software is not complex at all. I mean, yes, it would take some time to build a nice high-quality software which was fully auditable, secure, and maybe had a few nice features, but from what I've heard these companies have none of that.
It's so laughably corrupt it's insulting. If our reps were hired based on merit, instead of popularity, then we might have some people who are atleast somewhat tech-literate.
^this. As a software engineer myself, it's plain as day that they spend as little as possible on any research and development. The company appears to be a shell for moving money, not an actual software dev shop.
They likely employ very cheap engineers, likely outsourced, and likely who wouldn't care they're building software that can be used for massive fraud in countries they don't live in.
In the US, I would consider any senior-level or mid-level software engineer who signed off on such a system to be unemployable. Based on how software has been built for at least the last 10 years, there's no reason to not build a system that has a record of every single ballot. Well, no reason except fraud or being very bad at your job.
If you build the software correctly, where it's auditable, that would require injecting 6000 individual ballot records. Based on what random bits of information I've gathered over the last couple weeks, I'd be shocked if they built their software that way, and instead built it more similarly to how you might imagine a 2nd year computer-science student would built a vote-counting app.
Random glitches do not happen in software and modern hardware. That just doesn't happen. Bugs exist, which is flawed code, but glitches are effectively a myth, and would be unlikely to happen unless you're doing some crazy nonsense like severely overclocking hardware.
How any buffoon can't come to the conclusion that there is fraud when this company reports the votes in....FRACTIONS is beyond me. "bUt WeRe ThErE eNoUgH vOtEs To SwInG iT tO tHe OtHeR cAnDiDaTe?!" is such a stupid argument too. Voter fraud, whether small or large, needs investigated, and people need arrested for it.
It's not going to happen unless a strong leader willing to put their own life on the line stands up and organizes everyone. Trump could literally say it's go time, risk it all, and have 30 million armed citizens marching with him in a day.
It's not going to happen if a handful of dudes here and there try and pop up randomly.
Why would they argue against it when they know they don’t have to do a damn thing but hang out in a basement to get re-elected with these machines in ply
You really don't think they'll cheat it in favor of the republicans, right?? They will cheat and take both seats for the dems, and then we're really fucked
My point is Kemp can now use this to his advantage for any election he runs in especially since he played nice and helped cover it up for the dems. Swamp rats will never want this exposed. Sure it’s only for dems right now but the RINOs see how easy it is and will use it. Things will go back to normal where Republicans stay quite and earn their millions while letting democrats run shit. Throw in a RINO president every now and then and the masses pay no mind. Gone will be the days our Votes matter
Well, there you go then. Thats how you steal any election. Make a machine then protect it under "trade secrets". Legal lock box, you now win any election you're in charge of. GG.
Hello Judges!?!?! It's that simple that this ruling cannot stand.
there is no fucking trade secret unless its a cheating mechanism.
I could program you a not compromised voting system in about 4 hours under pressure and time constraints and im not even good enough to win a coding competition.
it literally is the easiest thing ever. You got your GUI with options. you make sure its secure and cant easily be tampered with reasonably (still really hard to make practically impossible, but can be way more honest than this).
all it does, keep a tally big enough to store the result. no fractions, no anything. just check, click enter, vote for candidate chosen ++ or +1 whatever. At the end, send the result with a checksum encrypted to the central counting server (although really each device for security shouldnt be connected online and should have a multiple party chain of people examining and orally/physically bringing a paper record with them)
either fucking way ignoring the protocol type shit (which I could also handle but would take more than 4 hours planning and could never be totally 100% foolproof nothing can)
there is no fucking trade secret. this doesnt need to be proprietary. if you cant find me a year 2 student for associates degree who cannot achieve this I will die laughing out of the sheer lack of potential.
the only possible thing that could be stolen is a complex fraud mechanism. there literally is no other secret. the only secrets are how cheap they made the machines, how vulnerable they are, and how intentionally compromised they are at the software level.
the fact we even have to debate anyone on its merit is ridiculous since literally 100% of all nonbiased experts in history have been in full agreement that its easy as fuck and should just be open source to be verifiable.
we could literally have some guy build a more honest voting machine for free in his basement from a raspberry pi which is just intensely sad and ridiculous.
the source code, nor the schematics for the devices, in this case are actually worth a lot of money. they are easy to replicate (aside from cheating mechanisms and vulnerabilities) or improve upon even with absolutely no documentation given. Anyone with tech skills and a brain can slap together a device like that. anyone.
I would never win in court, but Id honestly try to present a case where the copyright is invalid because there is no secret. its like trying to copyright 2+2 in this case. the didnt uniquely engineer the mainboard, the screen, etc. they also didnt uniquely write some algorithm for the core functionality of the device UNLESS THEY LIED and it does cheat. period. Id say they have nothing to even own Intellectual property over. that there is no IP.
Exactly what is a state government doing, going to bat for some private company's alleged "trade secrets?" If I stab someone to death, can I prevent forensic examination of the knife, on the grounds that it might imperil the manufacturer's "trade secrets?"
This is not only bullshit, it's bullshit of the most transparently childish kind. These people have given themselves free rein to violate any law they please, without consequences. Yet they still gibber like a tree full of terrified monkeys at the slightest pushback. Why?
So much contempt for their own constituents and for the American system. There should be nothing secret about how voting systems work. So corrupt, so incompetent, so pathetic.
There appears to be many ways around this trade secret protection so that the evidence can still be admitted without revealing the trade secret. See below (note, I believe this is the current trade secrets act but I'm not 100%):
Georgia Trade Secrets Act of 1990
§ 10-1-765. Protection of trade secret during action.
In an action under this article, a court shall preserve the secrecy of an alleged trade secret by reasonable means, which may include granting protective orders in connection with discovery proceedings, holding in camera hearings, sealing the records of the action, and ordering any person involved in the litigation not to disclose an alleged trade secret without prior court approval.
I dont give a shit if you are a private company, if your product is used in federal elections then any secrecy you have is out the window regardless if there is expected fraud or not.
I really hope so. Let's pray that the rumors are true, and he really does have an ankle monitor on. He has to concede. They're just so arrogant. And by them, I mean the Democrat party. I cant imagine any of them doing the right thing.
lol we can't look at official voting machines because we might give away how they count the votes! Ummm.... shouldn't they straight up one by one count each vote? There should be no "trade secrets." It's a simple counting machine right? Just basically admitted themselves that they do more than they are supposed to.
Right they might as well turn themselves in cause this shit is about as guilty as it comes!!
Trust her. Totally secure vote the way she wanted it. She has control so can rig it however she likes.
"Help us, we are dying"
you hit on an important point here imo, I see this happen a loooot to the 'normie' tier dem voters, they cheer on the points they make, without thinking too hard about it, and spout hypocritical phrases like 'NO EVIDENCE'. In fact, no matter how much evidence they have, the media will say he has no evidence. Even if they have Biden himself admitting to running the greatest election fraud in history, they would deny it exists, oh wait they already did:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRZEs9BRGK4&feature=emb_title&ab_channel=GOPWarRoom
The very same dummies who think like this are the ones going to go ape shit when GEOTUS wins in court
Man, it's totally like that book written years ago. What was the name? 1974 or 1994 or something...
I went to look for it, but couldn't find anything. Weird.
THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS
Love that episode!
What a reference!
"What I didn't put in the report was that at the end he gave me a choice – between a life of comfort or more torture. All I had to do was to say that I could see five lights when, in fact, there were only four." "You didn't say it?" "No! No. But I was going to. I would have told him anything. Anything at all! But more than that, I believed that I could see five lights”
“He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother."
What is this reference?
1784
1976 amirite?
1984 George Orwell I believe
I think it was 1894
George Orwell: 1984??
C'mon, man! You know it's ahh, err ... it's time for my nap. Wake me up in time for me to go to bed.
Hang these traitors please! It’s all I ask for Christmas and my Birthday and the next Christmas and all my Birthdays after that... this actually needs to happen to send a message that has been long forgotten. Fuck around and find out!
You already used up your birthday and Christmas presents on that peach tree we got you, and you hardly ever play with that anymore.
You know that peach tree was bullshit, it’s the equivalent of getting clothes and socks THEY DON’T COUNT.... all I wanted was some damn LEGOS is that too much to ask for?!
Which is hilarious ... me being a normal Joe blow read the entire document and found all the "hi I'm guilty" info easily, and they expect lawyers who get a hardon looking through this stuff to miss it? They really do think we are stupid.
On a related note, how come "Wisconsin" turns up blank here? Did I miss something?
She's such a sneaky cyber crime expert that no one knew what she was done except for all of us and everyone else
I’m never getting over a dude known as Lord Moloch. Could the gravity of the situation be any more obvious.
It's definitely getting weird.
Right? Not only he is a fucking LORD ... but MOLOCh on top.
Sounds like a Tolkien villain or something.
Ugh try literal villain in Leviticus. Moloch is a demonic deity that requires the blood of innocents. There’s too much documented history of people sacrificing their children to appease him and looking at the state of things that hasn’t changed.
Isaac remembers .
Correct. Though I think it was the Assyrians.
Did he graduate from Hogwarts?
I mean, the guy's name is LORD MALLOCH BROWN. I used to think the Malloch stuff was crazy talk but maybe had some small basis in reality. Now it's literally in our faces out in the open and we're supposed to pretend like it's not at least a little "odd." I men WTF?!!?
It is in the Bible. They have not done an update on that reference in a long time.
All the information is yours to know. It is all right there.
I've seen that connotation whenever I see his name but until now I never really focused on it. You're right. Someone named him that.
Wait is his first name "Lord"? Lord is a pretty evil name. Whenever people of faith use the word Lord I find it revolting, there's a whole secret history to that word and it's a slur to use it as a name substitution for God's real name.
"Lord" is a title and not his first name. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_St_Michael_and_St_George
Details on Moloch here... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moloch
Damn you have all the fire comments on the stickies right now!
If only we had a DOJ to step in and confiscate the suspicious hardware... Oh well.
They're busy with 15 agents investigating a rope in a garage.
Honk
THAT'S it?
Someone should make a white power sticker or swastika and put in the machines. Then have a black person file a complaint. 50 FBI and DOJ lawyers there in like 20 minutes
They better kneel when they arrive at the scene, too.
Just use a sharpie on the outside that says "this is maga county"
Only allowed to do that if you’re of Nigerian decent.
Oh my God that's it.
Just claim swastikas were on some ballots and in the name of racial justice a full forensic audit must be done to find them.
This is the best idea I have seen in 4 weeks .
No need. The flights to Belgrade were to grab the source code of the Dominion / Smartmatic hardware and software.
Lol this shit is so retarded it is insane. This is the fucking presidential election we are talking about.
It is, in the most literal sense. It's like reading Alice in Wonderland, and watching it take shape before our eyes. The inmates are in charge of the asylum.
It;s one of the reasons I don't watch fiction TV/movies anymore. Real life is more unbelievable than any fiction
Anyone who is still shocked hasn't yet reached their final form.
There are millions of us who long ago accepted that yes, it could, did, and is happening here.
So guess what? Our generation joins the thousands of others throughout history that has to once again fight.
Boo fucking hoo. You thought the greeks, Romans, crusaders and countless others were just cute storytime accounts?
People were taught the Constitution is magic and keeps the country going no matter what
Letting go of that delusion is very hard for some people.
I grew up when saying the Pledge and morning prayer in public school every day was mainstream. No I have not been asleep. Just outnumbered 😥
Watching old movies is great in many ways, but one thing that always makes me cringe is they often include some foreigner trying to learn the Constitution, and the others are like, study so you can be an American
The propaganda was around even back then
I just don't want to get caught in a problem > reaction: solution, divide and conquer trap and end up doing exactly what they want us to.
No divide & conquer. Nobody is saying to go shoot your neighbors.
We target [them].
Celebrities.
ANY (D) politician.
Employees of dominion & smartmatic. Major dem fundraisers. Tech company execs. Etc. Etc. Etc.
Think about it.
Honestly stopped caring until Trump ran for office. ( already liked him a lot from his tv show)
Couldn't believe he won. Was certain they'd rig it entirely.
Accurate AF.
I think its what happens when the tree is a little dry if you know what I mean.
When these people have absolutely no fear of any consequence whatsoever, not even a slap on the wrist, is it a surprise they're so brazen?
Clown world. Honk honk.
ANCIENT CHINESE SECRETS
Whoa whoa whoa, we don't call them wooks anymore. The preferred term is munchkin-american.
Sum ting wong
"I've made a huge mistake."
My lawyer, some hotshot...
Agreed that they have no defense, however I view them saying trade secrets as the special algorithm and other measures that enable them to cheat.
Them saying Dominion has trade secrets at all in a market with virtually no competitors doing something that should not be anything more than a binary vote count is in and of itself troubling. If you’re going to count votes, you should be 100% transparent in all aspects because it’s the most consequential thing in the country.
Why isnt anyone asking why are our votes tabulated outside our country?
Nearest I can see is them saying they have proprietary signature checking tech and potentially how they print ballots, but I can’t see anyone giving a flying fuck about how they check signatures since there’s not a chance in hell they have any kind of innovative OCR that can read the crap fest that is the human signature, or having discovered a new way to put ink on paper.
For counting itself, there isn’t even an algorithm. It’s a digital clicker.
It should be a mandate that any software running on voting machines be open source, publicly viewable, and audited by any interested third party.
I don't disagree, but the fact is that this isn't a difficult solution in software. It's that it's easier to produce an incredibly corrupt result.
But paper isn't entirely foolproof either, especially when you jettison the observers. It's not hard for them to turn around and print out a few hundred thousand ballots in the middle of the night.
The problem is that the only solution is legislative, I'm afraid, and possibly also through threat of force. i.e. anyone tampering with votes should be shot on sight. That's because there's a point in time where trust and integrity have to enter into the system. Without either of those, paper or machine tabulation ultimately doesn't matter.
Except how would we know that is the software running on the machines and not software that looks exactly the same?
That's where the audit process comes in and why deterministic builds are important.
If you dump the machine image and its, say, SHA256 sum matches exactly with the builds (or image) produced by a third party (or, ideally, anyone in the public), you are guaranteed that the image on the machine and the image built independently are identical. Multiple message digests could be used (SHA512, Whirlpool, BLAKE2) to validate that an unknown collision attack wasn't used to inject modified code while maintaining the same digest. Although, to my knowledge, no such attacks exist for the SHA-2 family, but it's a worthwhile strategy.
Now, there are some flaws with this. It would be possible to inject code modified in a way that a rootkit could produce an image that matches the exact checksum as expected (by replacing the parts that were modified with original copies when the image is dumped; or replace code at runtime when loaded into RAM), but that's where 3rd party audits are important and why the entire process needs to be open. In other words, it should be possible that someone with sufficient interest could produce an exact copy of the machine with the exact software and have it behave exactly as expected. The ROMs in use should be something a third party could audit the contents of and be guaranteed to know beyond a doubt that what's on the ROM is the exact image that was generated during the build process (probably inferring that the storage would need to be of an open design, and it would need to be manufactured in the US).
But, as I've posted elsewhere, the mistake everyone is making is that the problem scope isn't technological--it's legislative. As long as humans are involved in the process somewhere, there is an opportunity for corruption to take hold and an opportunity to switch votes. There needs to be penalties, they need to be enforced, and the entire system needs to be open whether the ballots are manually counted or machine counted.
Seriously. Couldn't this be done with a simpleton python script?
Get out of here with your logic and reason. Your in OhBiden-stan now!
yeah how many trade secrets can there be for a software that performs such a simple function? if, as people who know more about coding than me have stated, a freshman learning C++ could code a program to count votes, I don't think there would be any functions that need to be kept secret?
You're 100% correct. You don't even need the performance of writing the software directly in C or C++ to make this software. You could easily make this stuff in Java or C#. And the only data structure you need that directly translates to actual votes is an int! No floats needed, period! Should be the smallest program, easily done by freshman in a beginner's class on object oriented programming in Java.
Even adding in dictator logic like my votes are worth 2x and the opponent is worth .1x is still dead easy and not a trade secret.
It's a trade secret on how they got away with it - the bribing they must've done is the trade secret, not the program they wrote.
Of course they'll spout off some bullshit about how the security of the software has proprietary security elements that could be hacked if shown to government officials...
Which is easily fixed by NOT CONNECTING THE MACHINES TO THE INTERNET IN THE FIRST PLACE! I'm so pissed off that our government is so corrupt that the American people are treated as stupid peasants whose common sense is dismissed completely and instead are insulted by ridiculous explanations for why an actual solution that would work is rayciss or too expensive to implement.
We have ways to prevent election fraud. The only reason why anyone would oppose them is because they want to leave themselves their option to cheat wide ass open. There really is no other explanation for this treachery. The evidence is there. It's all right in front of everyone who's paying attention to see and there is an army of traitors stepping up to stop it from ever coming to light immediately followed by a sea of idiots that believe every garbage word they say and will defy all logic in order to defend their snowflakey bitch bubbles from being burst by the truth of it all.
They can't arrogate to themselves citizens rights to observe how their votes are handled.
If they claim trade secrets, then they're in the wrong business.
It shouldn't be a business in the first place: let the military handle the logistics. Rather than some Venezuelan Smartmatic guy overseeing elections in Ft. Worth
Amen, and they wouldn't go and reinvent the security for it either. That shit would all be somebody elses' patent or t/s.
Perhaps the trapdoor coding is the secret sauce.
'Secret ballot' but not secret counters... who paid the counters? who intimidated who? What party affiliation do the counters have? There is no secrecy as a counter. There are receipts and they should all be fully audited to the max.
This is the real path to victory. Follow the money. Find out how many unrecovered loans to politicians were made from https://www.amalgamatedbank.com/
What kind of trade secrets do you need for a machine that counts numbers?
How to change those counts.
Beat me by one minute
Dominion count coming back saying it was actually 100000 minutes and you now have negative minutes. So a 100002 minute difference.
Better luck next time.
waves hands to do magical Dominion things
Ooop, now would ya look at that! u/knightofday made this comment a whole 16 hrs before [u/Ithrowawaay's](/u/Ithrowawaay's) comment.
Sucks to be you u/Ithrowawaay, better luck next time!
I think my 7th grade English teacher had a scantron machine made by Dominion. I swear I passed those tests.
You did. So did I. I'm actually a genius being suppressed by a jealous system
Institutionalized racism by the Asian ruling class.
If it helps y'all feel better, the machine gave your good grades to democrats so they could get sweet jobs in the bureaucracy.
Someone took the whole '2+2 CAN equal 5' seriously I see.
:D
From the other side of the world.
Considering Dominion will answer all my questions correctly including extra credit that wasn't even on the test, that statement is correct...
TI have been over burdened by a reputation for numbers coming out of their stuff too correctly.
I mean why do we even need these things? How hard is it to put different results into different piles and then count them?
Most of these ballots, even with all the down ballots have like maybe 32 combinations or something. 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2. Get one of those mechanical lap counters. You can check and count 1 of these every 5 seconds after they are sorted.
Like even if you use no machines but a simple lap counter or even pad and paper. It’s still not that labor intensive if you can use a machine to sort the ballots.
A person could check that the ballot has been properly sorted and tally that ballot in about 5 seconds. Would only take that person about 1.4 hours to go through 1000 ballots. If you need 2.5 million done in 6 hours you would need to pay about 580 people for 6 hours work. 580 * 15 * 6 = ~52,000.
If you account for some basic inefficiency and double that it’s still only like $100,000 for the after sorting portion of the whole project. How much you bet they pay for each of those smartmatic machines?
Ha! Better watch out, everyone is looking for voting technology running on Windows XP
Also the customer is the government
Han, you son of a bitch!
CNN has entered the chat
Same reason why government workers shouldn't be able to unionize. The people are the management. They unionize against us.
It's like having 'secret ingredients' listed on a bottle of water.
Nah, there is a secret ingredient and it's called fraud.
The part of the software that implements the cheat codes.
What the fucking fuck? What is this shit?
Never forget that! People who think it’s about money are fools, the end goal is to destroy and imprison your children. Never forget that.
Imprison every single one of us if they have their way- no wait... They still won't get their way because then it'll be 4th box time...
Fact check:
They want to destroy the 2nd amendment.
They want to kill God and make people forget.
They want to force us into indoctrination camps they call public schools.
They want to destroy the family as a whole.
They don’t give a shit about marriage (attacking god).
They want to send our jobs to slave labor in foreign countries and watch the working class wither away and starve.
They want to tax the wealthy because they still don’t believe people can become wealthy without literally hurting the working class.
They attack freedom of speech because they are afraid of our words (fuck you resdit and Twitter).
Basically they hate everything about our way of life.
This is unbelievable and it's an infestation of almost every level of government where it is more important to be right than do the right thing.
There is simply NO REASON for the government to resist the inspection of these machines unless they have something to hide.
The world's most powerful oligarchy is putting the screws to all of the individual humans necessary to get the result they want. They don't care if people see it because everything is on the line/there's no real opposition to contest.
The stench of desperation. Dominion knows if there is any kind of an audit fuckery will be exposed.
It's how they run out the clock. Tie everything up in courts until they hit the election dead lines. It's also how you start a civil war.
If it wasn't clear enough already, THEIR INTERESTS ARE NOT OUR INTERESTS!
Are we on the final box yet?
Have it on the kitchen counter at the ready. We're almost there.
Less than 3 weeks from finding out.
I just checked on mine the other day. Oiled up the pieces and tightened up the other stuff.
Also loaded up all the holder thingies
Any time the state is in court, the AG has to take the case.
I'm not a lawyer but I rather this shit go to court out in the open rather than it be handled by our SS and Governor who are in bed with Dominion.
EDIT: It's a lot easier for me to redpill my normy friends in family by showing them the affidavits. Many non-lawyer people that I know are way too trusting of affidavits.
Oh, I understand now. Thank you for sharing your expertise. This is what I love about that s site!
Clown maths is cutting edge knowledge
maybe in common core math...
Look, we've been told math is racist therefore under an equitable arithmetic system we need to support the electoral candidate that pays the most, I mean supports anti-racist narratives.
Therefore 1 + 1 no longer should equal 2,but should be 1 + 0.25 = 2 for the person we like who will give us the most easy money, I mean deal with racial inequality. Whilst the person we don't like is 1 + 0.75 = 1.
This is ridiculous. People aren't allowed to withhold any other private records from subpoena - why this?
I know for a fact it is regular practice to have digital evidence, including proprietary hardware & code, examined by experts in digital forensics for court cases. I have NEVER, EVER seen a subpoena for such evidence denied on the grounds Georgia is trying for (it's my field). Are there sometimes workarounds where you might only be allowed to analyze certain parts of code or search for specific data? Yes. But you typically still have access to all of it - or you let someone from the other side run the queries, follow your instructions for examination, etc while you watch to ensure things are being examined properly. Are there NDAs signed by forensic examiners to protect from leaking proprietary info? Almost always. And anyone with credibility to defend their findings in this field, in a court of law, is not likely to ruin their own lives by breaching confidentiality.
This is really odd.
This is the explanation I was looking for. Thanks. Should be the top comment.
That’s a fact. An enemy this embedded will take a long time to route out
START WITH SCHOOLS. GEOTUS didn't undo CRT for no reason. He intends to start making PATRIOTS again!
Sadly, you are gonna see the ripple effects from CRT for at least another decade before it can be fully stomped out. Also, keep in mind there are millions of adults in their early to mid 20s who were raised on this garbage and see it as truth.
peacefully? yes with 2A? ....
IF they succeed in the cheat, let me ask you.
Would you prefer them to slowly destroy the country from within, or would you prefer if kamala take over immediately and swiftly destroy America?
Swiftly, might wake up some fools
A rep in Congress went on the news and said they can't trust President Trump's knowledge after he leaves office. What he knows is "dangerous" to the safety of the nation.
The implication is really apparent. They're trying to move faster to instigate real war.
Yikes
Yup.
Same rep also refused to pay his taxes and never landed in jail for it.
Do you remember his name?
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/11/28/dem-rep-cleaver-trump-cant-be-trusted-with-nations-secrets-after-leaving-office/
Oh shit, I misread "rep" as Republican, not Representative.
Not surprised that sack of crap was spewing that verbal diarrhea.
Either way, that's where I read about it. I just get sick of typing house of representatives member in the US Congress hahaha
Biden or Kamala doesn't matter. They're both puppets with the same agenda.
Harris where oil and gas is no more and we buy all new shit from China to create new way of living and make China more rich.
360,000,000 people
50% communist
180,000,000 communists
20,000,000 patriots
can fire 2 rounds per second
estimated time about 5 seconds of war.
Lol this is good.
Long and bloody be prepared Patriots'
Sorry, when you are part of fraud against our country, you no longer have any secrets. Destroy Dominion.
Seize all their assets, hold every employee as potential traitors/spies.
Bingo.
Grasping at legal straws here
I am ashamed to live in this state right now.
The rich have been fleeing to Florida and Tennessee for years (no state income tax). It's no wonder we keep drifting blue.
Poor
kidsPEOPLE are just as smart as whitekids.PEOPLEWhy isn't the code on these voting machines open source?
yeah, there should be no trade secrets when it comes to the machines we rely on for our elections. what competition exists and why? how would one company do "vote += 1" better than another?
I like your use of the compound assignment operator! :D
"There should be no trade secrets when it comes to the machines we rely on for our elections." Most important comment right here.
Should be all government code across the board. All of it.
Because people would be horrified by it since it would show how the elections have absolutely no integrity.
There are a couple options:
Microsoft ElectionGuard: https://news.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2020/03/27/what-is-electionguard/
TrustTheVote ElectOS project: https://electos.org/ . The project does seem to be run by lefties though.
DARPA is working on its own open source voting software: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2019/03/darpa_is_develo.html
Or..
Paper ballots, human counting, observers from every affected party at any distance they deem personally fit.
That's what I would prefer. But, if we're going to use machines to count, they should at least be running code that is open source and available for review.
Vegas machines are open source and subject to checks to ensure they are not illegally rigged
Kyle Rittenhouse should have used the same defense:
Kyle, did you murder those 2 subhuman piles of filth?
Kyle: Sorry bud, can't tell you, those are trade secrets. Guess you're gonna have to let me go.
Dominion keeping secrets is exactly the problem.
the machines that count our votes should have NO SECRETS. PERIOD.
What secrets does "count fucking ballots" have??
A chimpanzee can do the damn job.
Now WE all have a damn job: counting magazines.
As a software-engineer, voting software is not complex at all. I mean, yes, it would take some time to build a nice high-quality software which was fully auditable, secure, and maybe had a few nice features, but from what I've heard these companies have none of that.
It's so laughably corrupt it's insulting. If our reps were hired based on merit, instead of popularity, then we might have some people who are atleast somewhat tech-literate.
I wonder why they write the code like that
Because most of the funding goes into kickbacks and offshore accounts and the actual software development is an afterthought.
^this. As a software engineer myself, it's plain as day that they spend as little as possible on any research and development. The company appears to be a shell for moving money, not an actual software dev shop.
They likely employ very cheap engineers, likely outsourced, and likely who wouldn't care they're building software that can be used for massive fraud in countries they don't live in.
In the US, I would consider any senior-level or mid-level software engineer who signed off on such a system to be unemployable. Based on how software has been built for at least the last 10 years, there's no reason to not build a system that has a record of every single ballot. Well, no reason except fraud or being very bad at your job.
Or..... it’s all deliberate to allow a specific level of fuckery to occur
does it make sense for the machines to keep having random glitches that accidentally count 6k votes incorrectly?
If you build the software correctly, where it's auditable, that would require injecting 6000 individual ballot records. Based on what random bits of information I've gathered over the last couple weeks, I'd be shocked if they built their software that way, and instead built it more similarly to how you might imagine a 2nd year computer-science student would built a vote-counting app.
Random glitches do not happen in software and modern hardware. That just doesn't happen. Bugs exist, which is flawed code, but glitches are effectively a myth, and would be unlikely to happen unless you're doing some crazy nonsense like severely overclocking hardware.
"Please o pleaae we dont want to get busted"
Just trust the black box.
My ammo box is black. Does that count?
There shouldn’t be a trade secret on how they supposedly add 1 to each vote count unless that is not what they do
Which apparently is not what they do
They add fractions of votes too, they forgot to update the machines in accordance with the removal of the 3/5 compromise I guess
How any buffoon can't come to the conclusion that there is fraud when this company reports the votes in....FRACTIONS is beyond me. "bUt WeRe ThErE eNoUgH vOtEs To SwInG iT tO tHe OtHeR cAnDiDaTe?!" is such a stupid argument too. Voter fraud, whether small or large, needs investigated, and people need arrested for it.
National security supersedes trade secrets.
If this steal succeeds, America needs a 'great reset' to greatness
We're over a century passed due.
It's not gonna happen unless they do something really bad and people's lives are ruined.
It's a shame the lockdowns didn't spark anything
The President saved us from that horrific end.
It's not going to happen unless a strong leader willing to put their own life on the line stands up and organizes everyone. Trump could literally say it's go time, risk it all, and have 30 million armed citizens marching with him in a day.
It's not going to happen if a handful of dudes here and there try and pop up randomly.
Something that should essentially be a giant counting machine should not have "trade secrets." Just sayin'.
Money is nothing to these people. They work with people that control the money flows.
I'm sorry georgia, this is a matter of national security. The DIA will take your computers now.....have a nice day
Sorry, not sorry.
Sounds pretty desperate.
Why would they argue against it when they know they don’t have to do a damn thing but hang out in a basement to get re-elected with these machines in ply
You really don't think they'll cheat it in favor of the republicans, right?? They will cheat and take both seats for the dems, and then we're really fucked
My point is Kemp can now use this to his advantage for any election he runs in especially since he played nice and helped cover it up for the dems. Swamp rats will never want this exposed. Sure it’s only for dems right now but the RINOs see how easy it is and will use it. Things will go back to normal where Republicans stay quite and earn their millions while letting democrats run shit. Throw in a RINO president every now and then and the masses pay no mind. Gone will be the days our Votes matter
Why aren't we cheating the election?
Trade secrets vs. Democracy? Which one outweighs the other?
Trade secrets?! When it comes to a FAIR AND FREE TRANSPARENT ELECTION!? FUCK THESE COMMIES!!! KEEP KICKING THE HORNETS NEST! KEEP DOING IT!
Election software should be open source.
"Trade secrets" when talking about electing the leader of the USA, el oh fucking el
Well, there you go then. Thats how you steal any election. Make a machine then protect it under "trade secrets". Legal lock box, you now win any election you're in charge of. GG.
Hello Judges!?!?! It's that simple that this ruling cannot stand.
Dem judges: "I don't see a problem with that."
there is no fucking trade secret unless its a cheating mechanism.
I could program you a not compromised voting system in about 4 hours under pressure and time constraints and im not even good enough to win a coding competition.
it literally is the easiest thing ever. You got your GUI with options. you make sure its secure and cant easily be tampered with reasonably (still really hard to make practically impossible, but can be way more honest than this).
all it does, keep a tally big enough to store the result. no fractions, no anything. just check, click enter, vote for candidate chosen ++ or +1 whatever. At the end, send the result with a checksum encrypted to the central counting server (although really each device for security shouldnt be connected online and should have a multiple party chain of people examining and orally/physically bringing a paper record with them)
either fucking way ignoring the protocol type shit (which I could also handle but would take more than 4 hours planning and could never be totally 100% foolproof nothing can)
there is no fucking trade secret. this doesnt need to be proprietary. if you cant find me a year 2 student for associates degree who cannot achieve this I will die laughing out of the sheer lack of potential.
the only possible thing that could be stolen is a complex fraud mechanism. there literally is no other secret. the only secrets are how cheap they made the machines, how vulnerable they are, and how intentionally compromised they are at the software level.
the fact we even have to debate anyone on its merit is ridiculous since literally 100% of all nonbiased experts in history have been in full agreement that its easy as fuck and should just be open source to be verifiable.
we could literally have some guy build a more honest voting machine for free in his basement from a raspberry pi which is just intensely sad and ridiculous.
the source code, nor the schematics for the devices, in this case are actually worth a lot of money. they are easy to replicate (aside from cheating mechanisms and vulnerabilities) or improve upon even with absolutely no documentation given. Anyone with tech skills and a brain can slap together a device like that. anyone.
I would never win in court, but Id honestly try to present a case where the copyright is invalid because there is no secret. its like trying to copyright 2+2 in this case. the didnt uniquely engineer the mainboard, the screen, etc. they also didnt uniquely write some algorithm for the core functionality of the device UNLESS THEY LIED and it does cheat. period. Id say they have nothing to even own Intellectual property over. that there is no IP.
Exactly what is a state government doing, going to bat for some private company's alleged "trade secrets?" If I stab someone to death, can I prevent forensic examination of the knife, on the grounds that it might imperil the manufacturer's "trade secrets?"
This is not only bullshit, it's bullshit of the most transparently childish kind. These people have given themselves free rein to violate any law they please, without consequences. Yet they still gibber like a tree full of terrified monkeys at the slightest pushback. Why?
So much contempt for their own constituents and for the American system. There should be nothing secret about how voting systems work. So corrupt, so incompetent, so pathetic.
Fix this election, and then kick them all out.
There appears to be many ways around this trade secret protection so that the evidence can still be admitted without revealing the trade secret. See below (note, I believe this is the current trade secrets act but I'm not 100%):
Georgia Trade Secrets Act of 1990 § 10-1-765. Protection of trade secret during action.
In an action under this article, a court shall preserve the secrecy of an alleged trade secret by reasonable means, which may include granting protective orders in connection with discovery proceedings, holding in camera hearings, sealing the records of the action, and ordering any person involved in the litigation not to disclose an alleged trade secret without prior court approval.
Gov. Kemp and SOS Raffensperger are complicit.....follow the contract money.
Elections infrastructure is critical infrastructure under DHS designations. Source code can be reviewed in a means that protects PROPIN material.
https://www.eac.gov/election-officials/elections-critical-infrastructure
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICD/ICD_710.pdf
Sounds like the National Security threat the alphabet agencies like to use when they're caught doing something illegal.
Lol they have no idea what they're talking about.
Everyone's in on it and desperately covering their asses. One falls and everything will crumble. ADVANCE THE LINE!!
I dont give a shit if you are a private company, if your product is used in federal elections then any secrecy you have is out the window regardless if there is expected fraud or not.
So the integrity (the lack there of) of a counting machine trumps the U.S. Presidential election in their eyes.
bullshit in broad day light
Yes. Because counting something is proprietary
Could these commie fucks make it any more fucking obvious.
I really hope so. Let's pray that the rumors are true, and he really does have an ankle monitor on. He has to concede. They're just so arrogant. And by them, I mean the Democrat party. I cant imagine any of them doing the right thing.
lol we can't look at official voting machines because we might give away how they count the votes! Ummm.... shouldn't they straight up one by one count each vote? There should be no "trade secrets." It's a simple counting machine right? Just basically admitted themselves that they do more than they are supposed to.