..........Therefore, if the very dangerous & unfair Section 230 is not completely terminated as part of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), I will be forced to unequivocally VETO the Bill when sent to the very beautiful Resolute desk. Take back America NOW. Thank you!
Not just that, but now a bunch of east coast journos are gonna have to suddenly get back to work at 10 in the night to start tiredly writing about it.
Our favorite president likes to troll in layers!
That's why we have elected representatives. They're supposed to look into things like the actual effect of laws they pass and correct problems with them. Every citizen is not required to be an activist expert in every single matter in a republic, ideally. The POTUS should not be the one effectively making law. Legislatures should because of separation of powers. Our representatives have failed us miserably for many decades.
Yea but if the president made that move they would have focused on it and saw. Years ago. And maybe we would have gotten it done before the election. Giving us the ability to shine so much light on their plots. That they couldnt have done it.
But now its pointless. Either he wont be president to actually do it or it will be after the war. In which case those who would act against the interests of the American people would already be locked up or laid down.
It's not pointless at all. If they all did not commit the crimes that will be exposed, how would the swamp ever be drained? Think about it. Crimes had to come first.
Lmao if you seriously imagine you know enough to critique Trumps timing, tactics or strategy. Do you also imagine this marks the beginning of Trumps Big Tech takedown rather than the final phase? You could learn so much if you recognized how much our VSG is offering. For free. God bless those with questions rather than opinions; including me!!!
how many of these worthless fucktards are ignoring the fraud happening? ALL of those states that have been stolen and are being challenged have GOP LEGISLATURES and they are doing fucking nothing to help the POTUS out.
I don’t think they’re ignoring it. I think most of them would rather have Trump out because they liked being the controlled opposition that didn’t have to work for a living because they were uniparty, and a portion of them are simply scared for their lives. Neither are good, but it’s not ignoring, it’s an active or passive betrayal.
A lot of these rusted on bureaucrats have been suckling at the teet of Government handouts for a long time and lining their pockets. Like many other humans they get greedy.
The Bush terms seem to have created some proper swampublicans who would have been rubbing elbows with that whole corrupted apparatus. What the fuck do you do with all these people.
Perhaps they are also Dominion-aided as well? Or maybe they like kickbacks and bribes? It just seems like the RINOs like his endorsement to get the vote, then turn their backs on him(us) once they’re in...whatever the case may be, they are really shitty for being that way.
Just because X number of people voted for it last time does not mean X amount will vote for it again. Big difference here is whether Trump and his supporters want something or not.
Your wording suggests you imagine you're a psychic or time traveller. Using the phrase "in my opinion" or the abbreviation imo could eliminate distracting concerns around your mental health. Peace.
Better sel your stocks in big tech, google, Facebook, Twitter, insta. There’s gonna be a line up of disenfranchised republicans waiting to ream (sue) them .
All those years of fake google results, censoring and banning , suppressing. Finally gonna shake them up, their whole business model will change. If they continue to censore they will be bankrupted. Their board of directors will fire Jack Dorsey for being a communist publisher count . This is just the tip of the iceberg.
Remember folks, big tech is also SPYING on you withgoogle assistant. China is cock deep in googles ass. Might as well sieze that company and break it up while we are at it
Just sell your stocks in them right now either way. With the shit they've done this year alone, does anybody really think their stocks are going to get better with time?
And who knows, maybe everybody selling right now might trigger a collapse in their stocks, how funny would that be.
Trumps 2018 EO declared a National Emergency due to the threat of foreign influence in our elections. Domestic assistance in any interference is also covered including spreading propaganda and disinformation. Corporations and individuals involved can immediately have all assets frozen. Its a broad and vicious EO imo. Notice that GEOTUS has been framing Big Tech censorship etc as threats to our National Security? That framing is intentional and should terrify the SV Oligarchs.
Because he's a genius who understands how to win and that winning involves many moves and players? Imo he's been handling the Big Tech take down brilliantly since early 2017. Its been one of my favorite sub plots in this "movie".
The doomers must be having a really rough time right now. They were masturbating furiously over the AP headline about Barr, only to find out that what he actually said was misrepresented. And now this.
No, they're Denethor from The Return of the King. All they do is spread pessimism and defeatism while hiding behind the excuse of "I'm a realist." A bunch of them today were publicly making threads gloating that "See? You Qanon fags were wrong!" I'm not even a Qanon follower and I found it disgusting.
Yeah, I noticed that anti-Q are even worse than Q folks. I disagree with Q on most things, but they can believe in whatever they want. Anti-Q folks reminds me of how leftists treated us. I find it kinda funny because I don’t see pro-Q posts everywhere, but I see anti-Q posts everywhere.
I think Q people are widely varied from “trust the plan” 4-D chess optimism, all the way to “all the bad actors have already been secretly eliminated and all their new videos are holograms or clones.” The latter, I strongly disagree with of course, but the media liked to go after the craziest claims from the fringe part of the Q community and blast those out on television for Trump to disavow and rattle part of his base. That way, when he leaves Q followers alone, or defends them at all, the media can then paint all the craziest shit on him.
Did the whole 4-D chess thing even start with Q? I’ve been on TD since 2015, and I remember a whole lot of ‘Trump is a 4-D chess master’ and ‘Trust Trump’, but I don’t remember any Q until after the election.
I firmly place myself in the ‘Trump is a 4-D chess master’ camp, just because he’s proven himself to be repeatedly over the last 5 years, but I just kind of ignore Q. There are some interesting things about it, but I put about as much stock in it as I would any other pede’s opinion post.
Those same people are also MAGA and Trump supporters so why conflate individuals having fun speculating about what's happening with Q rather than Trump who the media refers to as the Conspiracy Theorist in Chief? Why fall for such sophomoric media smear tactics instead of wondering why, next to Trump himself, Q has inspired such global, co ordinated, unrelenting and increasingly unhinged attacks. Why indeed.
The Anti-Q stuff is definitely worse than the Q stuff. The Q people seem to have confirmation bias, overactive pattern-matching, and optimism, at worst. The Anti-Q people basically say that Q is a dangerous cult that's going to get people killed, and that even being disinterested about them is tantamount to collaborating with terrorists. Which is fuckin nuts. A heck of a lot more damaging to politics than Q itself could ever be.
How odd that you turn millions of anonymous unique individuals
from around the world into a collective "Q people" then start psycho analyzing your creation as if its real. Do you do the same with MAGA people too? If so, why? Why opine about what you haven't personally researched via primary sourced data ie the almost 5,000 drops over more than three years? General Flynn has. So I have I. Btw do you follow Scott Adams? Anyway, Peace.
Out of almost 5,000 posts over three plus years, you disagree with most of them? Odd. Questions, links to open source files, photos, video clips etc. What's to disagree with? If you meant the format isn't a match for you I can understand that. It definitely is geared to the chan communities which thrive on mental engagement although it expanded to be accessible to reddit refugees and other normies too. To each his own but what's there to disagree with when its just a matter of personal preference?
Why do you imagine that if YOU don't know about what they've achieved/been doing that means theyve done nothing? Perhaps a bit egocentric? Do you even follow their social media accounts or the WH You Tube Channel?
You'd be surprised at how many are actually the enemy.
You think doomer mentality is normal? Its manufactured and first displayed by goons. They try to shape opinion by mass bombarding sites like ours with their shitty opinion from up top.
The US election was rigged I don’t think there were any “doomers” prior to 11/3.
People have a right to be concerned after the US election was rigged.
Personally I think Trump will bring us through this but it’s going to get ugly with military being involved via the insurrection act. Most of us thought we would simply win in a landslide on 11/3. Nobody anticipated this level of fraud.
Those who read Q drops were very prepared. Being prepared helped Q followers withstand the doom shilling. Special ops versus civilians. However This community has risen to the occasion despite not knowing as much as Trumps chan community did and is even more high energy than in 2016. Imho. Bravo!!!!
100%. We can tell if we pay close attention to their language. I notice they tend to be snarkier than us, even when they... ‘agree’. Very self-indulgent people.
Bingo. Shareblue shills and wumao practicing English grammar. They are out in force at any halfway decent chance of pushing defeatist narratives. Flak when over the target.
I agree pessimism isn’t useful. Division is only created when people aren’t on the same page — nobody knows how this will turn out but I think everyone here (aside from shills) is fighting for the USA and the US constitution.
He was talking out of both sides of his mouth the lard ass should have just said no comment. The fucking Chinese own dominion You’d think he would atleast acknowledge that .
He said FBI and Justice Dept attorneys have not found voter fraud. He didnt say looking into more fraud allegations was being halted. He didnt say Trump is wrong.
ENOUGH cases of fraud to change the election. So far. Barr is VERY skilled at lawyer speak, AG speak and DC speak. Media propagandists count on their targets ignorance of those ways of speaking and how to translate it.
Section 230 of the Communication Decency Act allows Twitter and Facebook to censor. They are classified as 'content providers' but they are acting like 'publishers'. By censoring, they are picking and choosing what gets published. If they were re-classified as 'publishers', they would be liable for all content on their websites.
Based on how things normally go in congress, Big Tech will write a new version of section 230 that will help them and screw all the smaller sites like us.
If you think that the big sites will sink without 230 at this point you're delusional. All that happens is every small website hosting user generated content, like this one or bitchute or video.maga.host or anything else gets brigaded by the cancel commies with CP or pirated movies and the next day every site but twitter and facebook is gone.
Got it. Drumpfs stupid and youre not. Did you also screech over Net Neutrality getting nuked or did you understand Trumps strategic reasons for doing it?
If for example, a user on this site wrote something that could be considered slander, a death threat, etc, the site owners could be sued for allowing slander to exist here. The site would be targeted by the left, and brought down quickly.
Also there is rampant misinformation about what 230 would lead to. It is quite literally the death of social media - no platforms could exist if they were liable for all content. It would be China levels of censorship to avoid lawsuits.
230 doesn't allow them to censor, it's supposed to discourage censorship because it protects them from liability for user content. The problem is it's not being interpreted in a way that large multi-billion dollar "platforms" lose their platform status if they don't allow free-speech content.
Without 230, it would make all community websites impossible. I've seen a lot of posts here which, if the hosts were liable, would easily drive them into bankruptcy or worse.
230 needs to be re-interpreted in the context of monopolies and anti-Trust and billion dollar companies. Just saying all companies are legally responsible for everything people post on their site would be another form of tyranny. To be clear, if you get to a certain size you should be required to observe free-speech protection and special oversight and transparency. That is a much better solution than nuking every small company who can't implement mass censorship and legal teams to insulate themselves from liability. If 230 goes away, every community driven company smaller than Google, Facebook, etc. would be immediately driven to bankruptcy.
Trumps NEGOTIATING. Why do you act as if the "deal" is finalized? Why do you imagine YOU know these basic things but that media/tech/communications.genius Trump doesn't? Lol.
Its a legal protection that absolves them from responsibility of posts to their site, ie threats of violence, copy right infringement, anything illegal. They are not supposed to be editorial though
How about no more Big Tech censoring and publishing fake news with inpunity. They can be sued to oblivion. Do you remember why this site was made in the first place? This is pay back.
No 230 means that they can't do whatever the fuck they want anymore.
It means any bullshit on their platform will come back to them and they will be sued to Oblivion because of things like defamation, libel, etc. 230 gives them Platform immunity.
They will eventually be unable to function and crumble. So the biggest enemy of the republic and the 1st amendment will be gone.
In one fell swoop all the insane big tech warlords like Zuckerberg etc. will be in prison with their fellow commies.
Then smaller websites like this one can come in to take their place but none will be able to get too big qne that's a good thing. The internet will change but we need this to happen if we want a future.
In Conclusion this protects our Republic from giant mega technology corporations like Google controlling the flow of information and the MSM should be next.
Basically you can go on Twitter and post "Orange Man Good" and some triggered lefty can sue Twitter for promoting hate speech because you like literally raped their eyes. Basically, they are spending all their income on civil defense in court.
He wants Congress to slap a rider onto the upcoming NDAA that would amend the CDA of 1996 to remove Section 230. Since the NDAA needs to pass every year to fund the military, it's a pretty popular vehicle for both sides to try and pass unrelated legislation that wouldn't get through Congress as a single issue bill.
Tech Tyrants censorship poses a real risk to National Security. See the September 12, 2018 EO declaring a State of National Emergency which mentions propaganda.
I hope so. But 230 just allows them to be sued. If this election fraud is going to be allowed, Biden can just put it back in place before any harm is done. If Trump has any fault, it's being too patient.
It seems we don’t have any “homeland security” from our three letter agencies anyway so no big loss there. If they are so useless that they can’t even be bothered to investigate our hilariously and obviously broken election system and protect the democratic foundations of our nation then they are objectively useless.
This is one of those bills that always passes and, therefore, is full of pork. If they want to pass their pet projects, they will need to do what he says.
I have no idea. What I do know is that everyone right or left is programmed and conditioned to shut down any conversation about this subject. We are not allowed to have the slightest curiosity without being branded as a David duke holocaust denier nazi etc.
Not all J—- are zionists and not all zionists are J—-. Ppl need to stop squealing anti-Semite! Anti-Semite! And look into this shit. It’s like the black lady Dr Linda Lee Target who testified at the Michigan hearings yesterday said something along the lines of: “These inner city folk are lazy and apathetic and are not doing their jobs. They look like me and they are failing to do what’s right. But people can’t say this because they’ll call you racist. But it’s the truth so I’m going to say it simply because it’s the truth.”
Thomas Jefferson didn’t swear upon the altar of God eternal hostility against all forms of tyranny over the mind of man for mainstream media to program us all into not using the J—- word in vain. When you look into central banks, media, education system, communism, CIA, world banks.... it becomes quite clear that a good chunk of (((them))) are a bigger threat to freedom and our children’s future than Islam or jihadi radicals. Even if I’m wrong, we should be allowed to have a healthy robust discussion about these and how to resolve it with our principles in tact instead of shutting down thoughts and worshipping those who are in many ways tyrannizing our minds, culture, and free speech (literally there’s speech code laws now).
But hey, downvote me so you can get that dopamine hit and pretend you stuck it to a an evil horrible person who judges everyone by groups and is a Marxist hypocrite instead of someone who judges each individually but understands stereotypes exist for a reason and becomes alarmed when (((certain))) stereotypes are absolutely not allowed to be questioned in a country where we supposedly are free and supposedly have free speech even though we are robbed silly via the 16th amendment and work all day Monday for free whether we realize it or not and are double triple and even quadruple taxed to death and in return this tax money is used to line the pockets of sellouts, traitors, globalists, and people who ship our jobs overseas and teach our kids to reject the founding principles of the country. Even being upset about these things makes me a Nazi then perhaps people should look up what a nazi actually is and perhaps you should realize communists are even WORSE than nazis and perhaps you should look into who invented (((communism))) and who is pushing the communist manifesto into the rest of the world and who sets to benefit humongous from all of this. Idk you tell me how 0.2% of a certain group of people accounts for around 1 in 10 of the world’s billionaires, the majority of the central banking chairs, the majority of the porn producers & the majority of mainstream media CEO’s/chairs/owners. Maybe they’re completely innocent and we could stand to learn from them or maybe the protocols are legit. I don’t know. But it probably wouldn’t hurt to freely talk about people who dominate the information that penetrates the minds of nearly every single one our fellow Americans. Rant over.
Always point this out to those who still refuse to discuss the (((real))) problem. When the muslims had their religious leaders real thoughts and the real beliefs of that horrid religion, everyone was able to eventually come to the understanding, that we simply cannot allow the religion to exist within the freedom loving United States.
So why are we taking so long to realize the same with Judaism? I'm trying to spread this video everywhere I can, but not enough people will acknowledge the consequences should be the exact same as muslims. We. Cannot. Co-Exist.
If you could go back in time and plant it, 40 years is usually best for most trees (if going to timetravel 39 years, might as well 40.) But if you can't, then right now is best rather than waiting for the future to do it.
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Sect 230 isn't even constitutional in the first place. It can be stricken down, or repealed. Or it can be effectively neutralized before then...
To any WH Lurkers -- The WH Council's office can write a 1 page E.O. which effectively nullies Big Tech Censorship (and it's marxism spreading).
Need More Strict-Constitutionalist MAGA Republicans in the WH Councils office!
For the Strictly-Constitutional WIN & WIN Plan to win Electors and clean up the Elections:
You can’t win the optics game against people who are determined to slander you no matter what. Announce that you cured cancer and they will criticize you for not curing it sooner, for not curing Alzheimer’s instead, for depriving indigenous trans people of color the opportunity to claim the achievement for themselves, etc.
Leaving them there to cause havoc everyone will eventually see as undeniable is the best way to drain the swamp. Otherwise he just looks like a tyrant.
Well, not if he's been planning on "draining the swamp" since well before 2016. Seems like keeping these rats IN the barrel seems to be turning out to be a good move... especially when he (and WE) are about to fill that barrel up to the top with water. If he let them go early... well, many would have escaped what's coming to them.
What did you do in your first hundred days of presidency? Trump should of got the Nobel prize 5 times over . But keep chirping from an armchair, with respect fellow pede
There was plenty of time to get this done. He could have done it instead of moving the Israel embassy or making it illegal to question the allegiance of people who have dual citizenship with Israel or banning bump stocks or giving away our money so women and minorities can finally succeed at running businesses despite consistently posting losses
He had a social media summit at one point and it was basically a high school pep rally about how big tech is a meanie. Nothing whatsoever came from it
He got 4 years of horse shit from them. I'd imagine Daddy is fuming with his win being stolen from him compounding his anger and frustration. There's no way he doesn't want them gone so he can. That's his biggest opposition is media. It not only is against him but actively turns others against him reaching billions.
as a "Chad" myself, the "grab em" line was always about "taking control" and "being a man in charge" but to the weak left, they took it entirely and only literally, which it wasnt simply that.
He isn't acting remotely like someone who knows that they only have 50 days left in office, and it isn't because he's stupid. Firing squads, Pentagon shakeup, 1000 military aircraft in the skies today, he knows that he will win a second term.
I know its now or ever, I think his advisors are telling him he can just run again (Kushner). I hope he crosses the Rubicon, but it seems very unlikely.
Kushner isn't stupid. He knows the political backstabbing in politics. He's worked with much viler regimes. There is zero chance he's advising Trump to just try again.
That's fair, but Biden could undo basically everything that I mentioned above, so then it would be redundant and pointless. Now to mention that he isn't anywhere near dumb enough to give the modern Democratic Party firing squads.
He isn't acting remotely like someone who knows that they only have 50 days left in office,
Of course you know the left will claim the opposite.
"He's flailing! He's desperate! He's lashing out at phantoms, and hurting the country in the process! Maybe we should remove him even earlier than January!"
yeah but nigga how tho like wtf is da move from here? we only got two weeks till da niggas at da college vote for biden... whats finna happen within da next two weeks? where tf are da supremes are them niggas even tryna hear da mfin case? like what’s da plan nigga !??
isnt this da first case da supremes finna hear tho? are there any others gettin tossed up to those niggas why tf aint da supremes been droppin rulings on these niggas already tho !?? nigga they da JUDGE brah just declare some shit n say da fraud states = auto win for trump. shit could be settled in 15 mins brah tf are those niggas doin smh they supposed to be da equal power branch to da congress and da prez. declare that shit invalid and give donald da w
Not sure of the Constitutionality of awarding all fraud ridden states to Trump. And there was at least one other Trump case that went up to SCOTUS a few days ago. I'm pretty sure we got a favorable ruling in AZ today, PA and AZ put us at 263. From there, Nevada will probably flip, and Georgia as well. WI and MI I think could stay blue, but i don't think they'll matter in the end.
Section 230 is codified as part of the Telecommunications Decency Act 1996... not the NDAA. The NDAA is used to appropriate funding for defense programs.
What's the use of a military if there is no Republic for them to defend 🤔
I guarantee, people who are willing to sacrifice their lives for this country are willing to deal with a delay in military funding. Is the republic worth saving or not?
They can’t be that stupid. Trying to impeach him now would surly wake even more normies up. If they’re that confident they won why not just wait out the next month of his presidency. All trying to impeach him would show is that they’re weak and he has all the power.
I don’t think 230 has anything to do with that. You can’t delete every liberal or conservative comment, and have publisher status because you are editing free speech.
That's exactly what 230 has to do with. All this rhetoric about "platform or publisher" has people confused. And unfortunately, when people are confused they still talk like they know what they're talking about, so misinformation spreads rapidly.
Section 230 of the communications decency act establishes that websites that host user generated content are not liable for what their users share on their website, provided the host makes a good faith effort to remove illegal content. This means TD.win is not liable if some rando commie posts CP on the site as an attack. Remove 230 and the commies have an easy way to get this site taken down. And parler. And Bitchute. And gab, and rumble, and your own private little message board site you're trying to start. If you remove 230 you wind up with only the biggest companies will be able to afford the moderation and legal teams to protect themselves, which means you and I won't be able to post a meme anywhere but Twitter and Facebook. By the way, repealing section 230 does not outlaw internet censorship.
That's literally now how it works... every website is liable for what's written by people in them, including us. So if a couple of discord trannies start making 'chant's of jewish genocide, racial slurs, etc. We'll get fucking sued into oblivion, and so will other sites without the tools to moderate that behaviour.
long story short, social media companies enjoy liability protections because they are a public square. They aren't held to editorial standards that could expose them to libel/slander/content suits because they can't control what users post therefore it is seen as a public good basically. Now that they are censoring and editing content, specifically conservatives, and most specifically the president, the protection should be lifted. This opens the door for libel, slander, child porn, and many other lawsuits due to the revocation of their protection which basically renders it a useless entity.
Yes we would have 3-6 months of shutdowns on website due to the fear of liability, including this very site.
But Congress would step up quickly to write new legislation that would make it crystal clear as to how you gain liability protection.
It can be done but right now social media giants get the best of both worlds, the edit and censor like publishers while getting the protection of a platform.
One tweak they would need to add is fan based or lets saw a site focused on hunting. The Hunting website could censor/delete posts regarding PETA and not be forced to become publishers.
What can't happen is a site claiming to be a public forum like twtter and allow them to ban conservatives. If twitter declared they were a SJW site then by all means they can ban who they want but even then they started as an open forum so they might be stuck as being open (they abused being 'open' to gain massive followings, had they been declared SJW from day one it would have never grown).
Twitter has declared themselves an SJW site. Read their terms of use.
If Twitter branded themselves as "only for communists" tomorrow do you think there would be a mass exodus? Nope, people are addicted to followers.
I think you're right about the "they'd be forced to make a new law" thing, but the plan could backfire. It could just force the US out as a place for innovation in the networking space. We could wind up having to use foreign sites just to publish our thoughts, subject to their laws. I don't know about you but I'd rather be able to talk about the Holocaust or criticize Islam and maybe have to go to a smaller website, I'd rather be subject to the rules of websites which I can switch between than the laws of foreign governments.
Or the government could decide to write some fucked up law that regulates what we say online, not just protecting us from censorship. Or the government could write a law firmly entrenching the big tech sites as institutions online even more. Or the government could write a law that opens you or I up to lawsuits if we decide to make a website and try to keep it topic specific. What happens with a "free speech" law online if we try to deport commies on this website?
I just don't see a real solution to this other than "if you make the website you decide what people can say on it" which is what we have now. And I'd definitely rather have to pick a different website to have conversations on than be able to say whatever on twitter but not be able to run my own website and risk lawsuits. I think the solution to this big tech censorship stuff is to just not use big tech, which is what I personally do.
Yes . But along with them every other site that allows user content. Including THIS. But what is even more likely to happen is the big sites will employ much stricter filters and A WHOLE LOT OF MODERATORS . and the smaller sites will be completely dead . Because who the fuck would want to start a site with such liabilities hanging over your head.
you say this as if there is anything to lose. let me remind you the president of the US and leader of the free world is being censored on every post and conservatives are banned and censored from all forms of social media every single day.. at least there would be legal recourse for their blatant partisanship
I'm saying whatever I want online right now. We have this site and others like it to lose. If the president made an account on this site right now he would never be censored on the internet again.
If section 230 gets repealed some commie is going to come on this site and spam it with CP or links to download the black panther movie and then the next day this site will be gone. Where will we have left? Why, the only websites with the money for legal teams, lobbyists and moderation capacity, twitter and Facebook.
Repeal of section 230 is a trojan horse. The solution is to not use websites that don't let you say what you want.
Social media wasnt a thing in the 90s. its a 2000s phenomenon.
We need to fix 230. How to fix? simple? Freedom of speech aside from blatantly illegal materials (Child pornography, Doxing offenders etc) and minor discretionary restrictions (Gore, porn, Doxes, etc) Its a platform. If you start trying to editorialize the words of elected officials? You are now a Publisher.
I personally think there should be a new category called "Private Bulletin Board (PBB - pronounced "pub")" which gives some protections for immediate infringements (like with the platform) but has more stringent specifications like a publisher. Basically an inbetween. Also make copyright takedowns harder on full Platforms and easier on PBBs and Publishers. There legal liabilities protected. you chose your class of service.
Thats the most fair to most companies I think.
-Also internet bill of rights NOW.
So then what happens when I click that deport button when some commie shill comes on this website and says bullshit? We have to give them free speech here? How does that work?
If you think about this topic for 5 minutes a little bit you'll see that you simply cannot tell websites what sort of content they have to host. There is no legal solution to this problem. The solution is social in nature, a personal choice: don't use censorious platforms or big tech. The solution to the problem on a larger scope is based in a free market: people will move to places where they can have real conversations. Big tech will die due to this censorship on their own. There is no need for a law, only for another account on another website.
Did you even read what I wrote or nahh? You just went off?
Under what I wrote TDW is a PBB (pub). A private user forum with strict rules.. In fact most highly specialized forums are PBBs.
But besides the point, nothing here is about "legality" it's about status as a publisher or a platform. Ok a website doesnt want to hose certain content? thats their prerogative, just don't go expecting specialized protections for it
So you want the government to draw, in crayon, exactly every type of content every type of site can and cannot moderate?
What if I want to host anything anyone on my website wants to say, except criticism of myself? Am I a platform or a publisher or a pbb or whatever? Am I allowed to moderate furry hentai?
Classing LOLberterian.
You're completely missing the point, chomping at the bit to scream "MUH GOVERNMENT OVERREACH"
This has zero to do with the legality of the content Rather it's a tool to see where the burden of responsibility, and other liabilities lie and it exists not just for your protection but the protection of the consumer as it is to them to know their rights regarding your service.
It's really no different than calling yourself a For-profit versus non-profit. Are you a publisher? Then liabilities for illegal content lie on you. Are you a platform? Ok, people posting illegal content to your site do not ping liabilities to you, and the offender is liable to be sued.
You get caught up in this "am I allowed to..." and the strict answer is: you're allowed to do whatever the fuck you want to, just know it changes where liabilities are. Under your example you're closer to a PBB as "Criticism of myself" isn't exactly discretionary. As I said in my examples, pornography is discretionary so in my example were you to moderate out user's pornographic posts you'd still be considered a platform.
Yeah but it opens us up to the same lawsuits. It opens every single interactive website anyone has made or anyone is thinking of making to potential lawsuits.
The bill protects everyone, even us, from stuff posted to your site's servers.
Before 230: random dude posts cp on your site, YOU are in trouble.
After 230: random dude posts cp on your site, you're protected.
So the idea was to protect you and giving you the chance to delete illegal things from your site without getting in trouble at all, but they wrote it in such a way that allowed them to also delete "otherwise questionable content", which they've taken it upon themselves to mean "we'll remove anything we don't like, even presidential tweets".
Eliminating it entirely will destroy all social media, but at this point, it's for the better because it will destroy big tech in the process (this move would be the equivalent of going full scorched earth against them).
(pd: that said, I'm not sure if text-only speech is allowed without 230. if it was, we wouldn't have to take this site down)
(pd2: the better move would be to reform it, but traitors in congress are completely bought by big tech, or to have the FCC clarify it, but Ajit Pai is pozzed too, he pulled an AG BARR on us saying he'll do it and then didn't do jack shit)
it's for the better because it will destroy big tech in the process (this move would be the equivalent of going full scorched earth against them).
Want to bet this won't affect them one bit ? They already have the best tools in the world at their disposal . They will not let anything questionable on their sites.
The only ones who will be affected by the complete removal will be the smaller sites. Who don't have either the money or the legal teams to fight any of this.
The solution isn't complete removal. Just modify it so that if they censor legal content ... they loose their protection.
Basically, the argument is this: section 230 carved out special protections for these internet platforms. Mainly that they would be immune from liability if someone on their platform commits defamation, for instance. This is different than, say, The NY Times where if they print slanderous material they can be sued for it. This was all premised on a “good faith” clause in their ability to, basically, rid their cites of the worst kinds of shit. Like child porn, for instance.
It’s obvious, in the 90’s, no one could have predicted what these websites have become.
But now, the argument is, these companies are no longer acting like a platform (like a phone company) but a publisher (like NYT). That they are censoring content specific material and basically becoming like a publisher, and therefore shouldn’t be given special protections. I happen to agree, I think we must stop what is in front of us.
The problem is, as written, most of these websites won’t allow comments at all on their websites. It’s a different problem for congress to handle.
The intention of 230 is actually valuable. It's effectively the same protection that a shopping mall has for the speech of people walking around in it. You can't sue the mall for another customer slandering you while you're walking around. Shopping malls act as public spaces. They kind of have to be, to fulfill their function as a place of free congregation, plus the malls have neither the interest nor capacity to monitor and control the speech of all people in the mall. A Town Square can still be a Town Square even if it's privately owned.
Once upon a time, it made sense to offer this protection as a platform to websites, because they were platforms. But two things have happened since then.
First, they have become more essential to public discourse. They have become public services. The law can compel you to grant access to someone to use a private road, if it is the only reasonable way for them to access their property. Certainly Twitter and Facebook have become places for public discourse that everyone with first amendment rights has the right to speak in. Twitter is the printing press of today.
Secondly, these companies have begun to exert editorial control over users' content. They have rules about what can and can't be said, and how things must be said, and assert full, sole, unaccountable authority to censor, suppress, and manipulate any user content they wish. And they have the technology to do so at a mass scale.
So on two fronts, the justification for Section 230 as it applies to social media has been completely undermined. But the principle is still important. Imagine an internet where a leftist could come on .win, anonymously post some libel or something, then sue the website and have the whole site taken down. For that matter, imagine a world where a restaurant can get sued by a customer that overhears another customer saying something offensive.
As for the vagueness of 230, it's partially by design. Obviously websites need some right to moderate content on their site. A) for spam, B) for illegal material, and C) because they get to determine what their platform is about. But C goes out the window once the platform positions itself as an integral layer of social, marketing, informational, and political infrastructure of the whole world. Twitter is not the equivalent of a knitting forum that doesn't want to let people talk about about scuba diving. By becoming more important and more public, they've lost their "private space" status, and they've lost their "acting in good faith" presumption by acting in bad faith.
So what to do about 230? You could argue it's an enforcement issue, and that on its face, editorializing user content makes you a publisher not a platform, therefore liable under current law. But we really need some rewording, clarification, or rewriting of the law itself, to make it explicit what differentiates platform and publisher, and what protections and privileges come with each of those statuses. Strict removal of the section would open the gates for a ton of litigation. (And that's not a bad way for this kind of statue to form, by the way. What would happen is a bunch of suits are filed, cases work their way to higher courts, and important courts, probably SCOTUS eventually, would decide what statutes work for properly separating platform and publisher. A lot of lawyers would get rich along the way, however).
It's wise of Trump to demand complete removal up front, though. It's a classic Trump tactic to ask for more than you want. Then people will freak out and say "Whoa whoa! Let's not be hasty. How about we just modify it so everyone's happy without getting a million lawyers involved?" rather than them just saying "Meh, no."
Getting rid of 230 entrenches their monopoly. Every single website on the internet that allows comments is protected by 230. That includes this site. Without 230, some brigade decides to post Micky mouse fanfic on our website and the next thing we are getting sued by Disney into the ground. The only companies that can survive that environment are the ones with big legal teams. Do I need to name those sites for you?
You want this site gone? Parler gone? Bitchute gone? You think multi billion dollar sites with huge legal teams and AI that can moderate their content before anyone even sees it need 230 protection? Do you honestly believe that repealing the law that protects us on the internet will hurt the big tech sites at all?
yeah except my entire extended family who supports trump and only gets their trump news from fox and the mainstream press thinks trumps fucked and think im a conspiracy theorist.
And if you direct your focus up to the ceiling here, and look really closely, you’ll notice the spot just where the fecal matter makes contact with the fan blades, right along the edges here.
Ok guys. ELI5 and be patient with me please. But I thought Section 230 was in some ways a good thing in that at it's base it was implemented to protect platforms like us td.win? It's only the fact that loopholes in the policy were being exploited by big tech to censor us. My assumption is that GEOTUS knows this and taken an extreme stance in the hopes of having those loopholes closed. But if pressed and the veto happens couldn't this end up backfiring for us in the end?
The concern I'm getting at is the elimination of Section 230 would remove protection from all platforms. And unfortunately for us the left has a bigger warchest for lawfare and the backing of government to lay siege against patriotic platforms like ours.
Section 230 needs to be clarified, I have no problem with an Internet Service Provider having 'immunity' for providing a service that is open to everyone. When groups like Facebook, Twitter, and Youtube choose to suppress some content (i.e. Breitbart, InfoWars) and promote others (i.e. CNN) they're clearly acting as publishers and should not have legal protections for their content.
I went to this tweet and when I pressed “like” Twitter generated a message asking me if I wanted to like it. “Are you sure?” Very hostile, a veiled threat. Or what? Twitter is keeping track and will block my account? Oooh, I’m shaking! Lol. What the hell?
..........Therefore, if the very dangerous & unfair Section 230 is not completely terminated as part of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), I will be forced to unequivocally VETO the Bill when sent to the very beautiful Resolute desk. Take back America NOW. Thank you!
Aight, let's do it.
GOPers who vote against POTUS' veto are begging to be primaried then
Edited from "asking" to "begging" as the latter sounds better (Thanks u/Tookens)
I'd bet this is another headfake to produce just this result and have them out themselves while under the spotlight.
That's a bingo.
bing, bing, bing, BINGOOOOOOOOOOO! LET'S FOOKING GOOOOOOOO!
WHAT FUNNN!!!!
Not just that, but now a bunch of east coast journos are gonna have to suddenly get back to work at 10 in the night to start tiredly writing about it.
Our favorite president likes to troll in layers!
But that's ogres
Superstar is too common a title for such a man.
Good thing he’s a WWE Superstar Hall of Famer.
Right? I love it when he fucks up their nightly plans
Fixing a problem before it bites you in the ass is a genius move. Anyone can spot problems in hindsight.
He’s art of the deal-ing it
"He's making a list, checking it twice...."
“He’s gonna find out who voted twice...”
Donald Trump is Coming To Town
He knows when they've been printed, he know when they've been faked. He knows when they're brought in late at night and he knows who's on the take.
Nice rhyme. I thought you'd finish with " he know who's been naughty or nice so be good for goodness sake "
trump is the best santa
Better be good, TrumpClaus is coming to town...
Every single republican who hasn't called out the fraud has to be primaried
"Primaried" is that some new LMNOP gender term?
U right
This is the sad sad condition of things if a major correction is not made
Why would they call out if some of them have benefited from the fraud personally to retain their power?
Based.
*begging
Changed it
I knew you two were in cahoots!
4 years too late
4 years ago, many millions of people wouldn't have seen the problem as they do now. The problem has been exposed big time..
You need the public support, right now the public will agree 100%
Gotta build a strong case for the argument I suppose
This is a good point. That was used on Gadaffi. “he went against twitter” he didn’t have 80+ million to protect him.
4 years ago this site was on Reddit. Imagine trying that now.
That's why we have elected representatives. They're supposed to look into things like the actual effect of laws they pass and correct problems with them. Every citizen is not required to be an activist expert in every single matter in a republic, ideally. The POTUS should not be the one effectively making law. Legislatures should because of separation of powers. Our representatives have failed us miserably for many decades.
Muh you have to pass it to know what it says
Yea but if the president made that move they would have focused on it and saw. Years ago. And maybe we would have gotten it done before the election. Giving us the ability to shine so much light on their plots. That they couldnt have done it.
But now its pointless. Either he wont be president to actually do it or it will be after the war. In which case those who would act against the interests of the American people would already be locked up or laid down.
It's not pointless at all. If they all did not commit the crimes that will be exposed, how would the swamp ever be drained? Think about it. Crimes had to come first.
Lmao if you seriously imagine you know enough to critique Trumps timing, tactics or strategy. Do you also imagine this marks the beginning of Trumps Big Tech takedown rather than the final phase? You could learn so much if you recognized how much our VSG is offering. For free. God bless those with questions rather than opinions; including me!!!
Hardly declaring war, more like telling the truth about the war they’ve been waging for four years against him and decades against us.
how many of these worthless fucktards are ignoring the fraud happening? ALL of those states that have been stolen and are being challenged have GOP LEGISLATURES and they are doing fucking nothing to help the POTUS out.
I don’t think they’re ignoring it. I think most of them would rather have Trump out because they liked being the controlled opposition that didn’t have to work for a living because they were uniparty, and a portion of them are simply scared for their lives. Neither are good, but it’s not ignoring, it’s an active or passive betrayal.
boom right here. Think about it.
A lot of these rusted on bureaucrats have been suckling at the teet of Government handouts for a long time and lining their pockets. Like many other humans they get greedy.
The Bush terms seem to have created some proper swampublicans who would have been rubbing elbows with that whole corrupted apparatus. What the fuck do you do with all these people.
Everywhere is not CA. We have fighters.
I’m talking about RINOs. There are a lot of RINOs and they suck.
Perhaps they are also Dominion-aided as well? Or maybe they like kickbacks and bribes? It just seems like the RINOs like his endorsement to get the vote, then turn their backs on him(us) once they’re in...whatever the case may be, they are really shitty for being that way.
How many have been helping him this last month? With us harassing them...
Just look at what they're doing with this election travesty.
They don't give two shits what we think, about anything.
Yet the two ideas are completely separate from each other and you have no idea what you are talking about.
Trust me.
"Trust but verify" What are you actually saying?
You think it would be impossible for the Senate to amend the NDAA with one paragraph about Section 230 and then flip it to the House?
"you're underestimating how much of the GOP will actually back Trump on this."
That's exactly the opposite of everything else you're saying. You're sending a mixed message.
He won't have to. He can and will ultimately just shut him down. They've committed treason and have been caught.
Just because X number of people voted for it last time does not mean X amount will vote for it again. Big difference here is whether Trump and his supporters want something or not.
Why do you think there won’t be any defectors to Trump? RINOs are many but they aren’t 100%.
Your wording suggests you imagine you're a psychic or time traveller. Using the phrase "in my opinion" or the abbreviation imo could eliminate distracting concerns around your mental health. Peace.
You're ignoring us flooding them about this, and protests. If we do nothing? You're right, they do nothing.
The really corrupt thing is having this issue in this bill to begin with.
Why do you believe so?
No. Why should I?
Nah.
We're +9 in the House after the election, that's just so far..
True. I take it back.
Ok but dont ever let it happen again
When does this get voted on?
They have to vote again. I have to believe some GOP senators will change their minds.
He's preparing shit for sure.
Better sel your stocks in big tech, google, Facebook, Twitter, insta. There’s gonna be a line up of disenfranchised republicans waiting to ream (sue) them .
All those years of fake google results, censoring and banning , suppressing. Finally gonna shake them up, their whole business model will change. If they continue to censore they will be bankrupted. Their board of directors will fire Jack Dorsey for being a communist publisher count . This is just the tip of the iceberg.
Remember folks, big tech is also SPYING on you withgoogle assistant. China is cock deep in googles ass. Might as well sieze that company and break it up while we are at it
Lol don't put your bets on it. I guarantee right now these big tech companies are throwing money at these people to make it veto proof.
TRY. They are trying, of course. All they can do is try.
This is why bribery / lobbying must be illegal. Take money out of politics!
Short Facebook?
Just sell your stocks in them right now either way. With the shit they've done this year alone, does anybody really think their stocks are going to get better with time?
And who knows, maybe everybody selling right now might trigger a collapse in their stocks, how funny would that be.
If Goolag is in fact CIA setup, and CIA assisted in borking the election, this is like Eisenhower and Kennedy speaches wrapped up in one.
Trumps 2018 EO declared a National Emergency due to the threat of foreign influence in our elections. Domestic assistance in any interference is also covered including spreading propaganda and disinformation. Corporations and individuals involved can immediately have all assets frozen. Its a broad and vicious EO imo. Notice that GEOTUS has been framing Big Tech censorship etc as threats to our National Security? That framing is intentional and should terrify the SV Oligarchs.
Why can't he just properly enforce 230.. declare twitter in violation as they clearly are and rescind their protection? Get a new FCC head
Projection from a guppy?
Because he's a genius who understands how to win and that winning involves many moves and players? Imo he's been handling the Big Tech take down brilliantly since early 2017. Its been one of my favorite sub plots in this "movie".
It's true, can't wait to see what happens next
OMG!
Yes, playing offense now!!!
The doomers must be having a really rough time right now. They were masturbating furiously over the AP headline about Barr, only to find out that what he actually said was misrepresented. And now this.
Quality username.
A veteran of the Meme Wars. Better recognize.
fact
Yes, I much prefer the CisSiberianOrchestra rendition of Christmas Canon over the TransSiberianOrchestra version.
Lol @ "masturbating furiously". So descriptive yet so metaphorical.
It is quite literal, I assure you.
Laughs in toobin.
Doomers are not the enemy they are just cautious or concerned patriots. We don’t need more division right now.
No, they're Denethor from The Return of the King. All they do is spread pessimism and defeatism while hiding behind the excuse of "I'm a realist." A bunch of them today were publicly making threads gloating that "See? You Qanon fags were wrong!" I'm not even a Qanon follower and I found it disgusting.
Yeah, I noticed that anti-Q are even worse than Q folks. I disagree with Q on most things, but they can believe in whatever they want. Anti-Q folks reminds me of how leftists treated us. I find it kinda funny because I don’t see pro-Q posts everywhere, but I see anti-Q posts everywhere.
I love all the differing viewpoints and try to see things from everybody's perspective.
Doomers are fine as long as they lurk rather than post. Posting turns them into Energy Vampires.
I think Q people are widely varied from “trust the plan” 4-D chess optimism, all the way to “all the bad actors have already been secretly eliminated and all their new videos are holograms or clones.” The latter, I strongly disagree with of course, but the media liked to go after the craziest claims from the fringe part of the Q community and blast those out on television for Trump to disavow and rattle part of his base. That way, when he leaves Q followers alone, or defends them at all, the media can then paint all the craziest shit on him.
Did the whole 4-D chess thing even start with Q? I’ve been on TD since 2015, and I remember a whole lot of ‘Trump is a 4-D chess master’ and ‘Trust Trump’, but I don’t remember any Q until after the election.
I firmly place myself in the ‘Trump is a 4-D chess master’ camp, just because he’s proven himself to be repeatedly over the last 5 years, but I just kind of ignore Q. There are some interesting things about it, but I put about as much stock in it as I would any other pede’s opinion post.
Those same people are also MAGA and Trump supporters so why conflate individuals having fun speculating about what's happening with Q rather than Trump who the media refers to as the Conspiracy Theorist in Chief? Why fall for such sophomoric media smear tactics instead of wondering why, next to Trump himself, Q has inspired such global, co ordinated, unrelenting and increasingly unhinged attacks. Why indeed.
The Anti-Q stuff is definitely worse than the Q stuff. The Q people seem to have confirmation bias, overactive pattern-matching, and optimism, at worst. The Anti-Q people basically say that Q is a dangerous cult that's going to get people killed, and that even being disinterested about them is tantamount to collaborating with terrorists. Which is fuckin nuts. A heck of a lot more damaging to politics than Q itself could ever be.
How odd that you turn millions of anonymous unique individuals from around the world into a collective "Q people" then start psycho analyzing your creation as if its real. Do you do the same with MAGA people too? If so, why? Why opine about what you haven't personally researched via primary sourced data ie the almost 5,000 drops over more than three years? General Flynn has. So I have I. Btw do you follow Scott Adams? Anyway, Peace.
Out of almost 5,000 posts over three plus years, you disagree with most of them? Odd. Questions, links to open source files, photos, video clips etc. What's to disagree with? If you meant the format isn't a match for you I can understand that. It definitely is geared to the chan communities which thrive on mental engagement although it expanded to be accessible to reddit refugees and other normies too. To each his own but what's there to disagree with when its just a matter of personal preference?
They’re that red-headed kid on The Magic Schoolbus that is always whining. Hey, Trump’s like Miss Frizz!
This is funny.
Get our professional Meme Battalion on this!
Miss Frizz always wins, through thick and thin, just like GEOTUS!
The DOJ and FBI have done nothing for 4 years it would be crazy to blindly trust them.
Anyone who is skeptical of Barr I think has solid ground to stand on.
Never trust the AP
Also true, the AP article reeks of gaslighting and an attempt at division.
However, anyone who is skeptical of Barr should be, he hasn’t done shit publicly.
Why do you imagine that if YOU don't know about what they've achieved/been doing that means theyve done nothing? Perhaps a bit egocentric? Do you even follow their social media accounts or the WH You Tube Channel?
WHAT BRAKES?! WE GOT RID OF THEM YEARS AGO!
That's not possible. There are no brakes to apply.
You'd be surprised at how many are actually the enemy.
You think doomer mentality is normal? Its manufactured and first displayed by goons. They try to shape opinion by mass bombarding sites like ours with their shitty opinion from up top.
The US election was rigged I don’t think there were any “doomers” prior to 11/3.
People have a right to be concerned after the US election was rigged.
Personally I think Trump will bring us through this but it’s going to get ugly with military being involved via the insurrection act. Most of us thought we would simply win in a landslide on 11/3. Nobody anticipated this level of fraud.
Those who read Q drops were very prepared. Being prepared helped Q followers withstand the doom shilling. Special ops versus civilians. However This community has risen to the occasion despite not knowing as much as Trumps chan community did and is even more high energy than in 2016. Imho. Bravo!!!!
A year ago we all knew there would be this level of fraud. We haven't had an honest election in 20 years or longer.
100%. We can tell if we pay close attention to their language. I notice they tend to be snarkier than us, even when they... ‘agree’. Very self-indulgent people.
Bingo. Shareblue shills and wumao practicing English grammar. They are out in force at any halfway decent chance of pushing defeatist narratives. Flak when over the target.
"wumao?"
I agree pessimism isn’t useful. Division is only created when people aren’t on the same page — nobody knows how this will turn out but I think everyone here (aside from shills) is fighting for the USA and the US constitution.
Doomers don't fight; by definition, they've given up.
I had a few hard moments recently and have kept my fucking mouth shut, doomers take heed
Exactly! Use this site to find solid info, bw encouraged, and learn how to help.
He was talking out of both sides of his mouth the lard ass should have just said no comment. The fucking Chinese own dominion You’d think he would atleast acknowledge that .
What did he say that was misrepresented?
He said FBI and Justice Dept attorneys have not found voter fraud. He didnt say looking into more fraud allegations was being halted. He didnt say Trump is wrong.
ENOUGH cases of fraud to change the election. So far. Barr is VERY skilled at lawyer speak, AG speak and DC speak. Media propagandists count on their targets ignorance of those ways of speaking and how to translate it.
That's what I like to see
he is more of a patriot and man than you will ever be, you basement dwelling fuckwad
You’re quite the character on this forum 🤪. I did defend you as a doomfag but you’re our doomfag 😂😂😂
What in your other posts are saying fuck Sydney Powell for? She seemed to have been a great deal of help to Flynn.
Why wouldn’t she help expose election fraud?
Have you not realized we already won? All this is just a formality. Either they give us what we want or we take it.
I still don’t know what 230 is or how it influences twitter. I’ve read about it but I guess I’m retarded
Section 230 of the Communication Decency Act allows Twitter and Facebook to censor. They are classified as 'content providers' but they are acting like 'publishers'. By censoring, they are picking and choosing what gets published. If they were re-classified as 'publishers', they would be liable for all content on their websites.
We lose our protection......
That is true but remember we know how to control our emotions and have generally a better sense of decency and fairness over the left.
Doesn’t the government just need to enforce the laws on the books vs destroy 230? Problem is the government is full of communist I guess.
Yes
No. There are loopholes in 230 that has allowed these platforms get away with what they've been doing.
Based on how things normally go in congress, Big Tech will write a new version of section 230 that will help them and screw all the smaller sites like us.
Fuck no it isn't.
If you think that the big sites will sink without 230 at this point you're delusional. All that happens is every small website hosting user generated content, like this one or bitchute or video.maga.host or anything else gets brigaded by the cancel commies with CP or pirated movies and the next day every site but twitter and facebook is gone.
Got it. Drumpfs stupid and youre not. Did you also screech over Net Neutrality getting nuked or did you understand Trumps strategic reasons for doing it?
Honest question. How so?
If for example, a user on this site wrote something that could be considered slander, a death threat, etc, the site owners could be sued for allowing slander to exist here. The site would be targeted by the left, and brought down quickly.
Also there is rampant misinformation about what 230 would lead to. It is quite literally the death of social media - no platforms could exist if they were liable for all content. It would be China levels of censorship to avoid lawsuits.
Lol. Someone who either hasn't read the Art of the Deal or isn't applying what you read to what Trump is doing now. Hence your unnecessary concerns.
Maybe 230 should be removed for social media that engages in censorship. Leave it alone fir those that don’t.
All companies operating on the internet in America would.
Which means it would force new legislation which could account for these new tech monopolies, not a bill written in '96 for a bulletin board.
No we wouldn't. We admit our bias.
230 doesn't allow them to censor, it's supposed to discourage censorship because it protects them from liability for user content. The problem is it's not being interpreted in a way that large multi-billion dollar "platforms" lose their platform status if they don't allow free-speech content.
Without 230, it would make all community websites impossible. I've seen a lot of posts here which, if the hosts were liable, would easily drive them into bankruptcy or worse.
230 needs to be re-interpreted in the context of monopolies and anti-Trust and billion dollar companies. Just saying all companies are legally responsible for everything people post on their site would be another form of tyranny. To be clear, if you get to a certain size you should be required to observe free-speech protection and special oversight and transparency. That is a much better solution than nuking every small company who can't implement mass censorship and legal teams to insulate themselves from liability. If 230 goes away, every community driven company smaller than Google, Facebook, etc. would be immediately driven to bankruptcy.
Trumps NEGOTIATING. Why do you act as if the "deal" is finalized? Why do you imagine YOU know these basic things but that media/tech/communications.genius Trump doesn't? Lol.
Its a legal protection that absolves them from responsibility of posts to their site, ie threats of violence, copy right infringement, anything illegal. They are not supposed to be editorial though
And what would be the benefit and consequence of repealing it?
How about no more Big Tech censoring and publishing fake news with inpunity. They can be sued to oblivion. Do you remember why this site was made in the first place? This is pay back.
Draw me a map of how repeal of section 230 gets the big tech sites sued into oblivion for censorship and fake news. I'll wait.
No 230 means that they can't do whatever the fuck they want anymore.
It means any bullshit on their platform will come back to them and they will be sued to Oblivion because of things like defamation, libel, etc. 230 gives them Platform immunity.
They will eventually be unable to function and crumble. So the biggest enemy of the republic and the 1st amendment will be gone.
Not only that but if charged with conspiring against the government and interfering in the elections (Witch they did) then the government can sieze all of their assets as per Trump's executive order here: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-imposing-certain-sanctions-event-foreign-interference-united-states-election/
In one fell swoop all the insane big tech warlords like Zuckerberg etc. will be in prison with their fellow commies.
Then smaller websites like this one can come in to take their place but none will be able to get too big qne that's a good thing. The internet will change but we need this to happen if we want a future.
In Conclusion this protects our Republic from giant mega technology corporations like Google controlling the flow of information and the MSM should be next.
Basically you can go on Twitter and post "Orange Man Good" and some triggered lefty can sue Twitter for promoting hate speech because you like literally raped their eyes. Basically, they are spending all their income on civil defense in court.
They would be open to lawsuits
Yeah. Hopefully itd be replaced with something better
No, because we're not editing content here. Also, the rules are out front and center and all are held to the same standards.
If I started posting spam Trump coin links, I'd be gone with the quickness.
I am as well. lets take the short bus together
Basically immunity for the content on their site. However they censor, which would make them a publisher.
BYE BYE NDAA
Looked up 230 its part of the communications decency act of 1996.. not sure what NDAA has to do with it.
Interesting so what’s trump trying to get at
He wants Congress to slap a rider onto the upcoming NDAA that would amend the CDA of 1996 to remove Section 230. Since the NDAA needs to pass every year to fund the military, it's a pretty popular vehicle for both sides to try and pass unrelated legislation that wouldn't get through Congress as a single issue bill.
Tech Tyrants censorship poses a real risk to National Security. See the September 12, 2018 EO declaring a State of National Emergency which mentions propaganda.
I hope so. But 230 just allows them to be sued. If this election fraud is going to be allowed, Biden can just put it back in place before any harm is done. If Trump has any fault, it's being too patient.
passed 86-14 already in the senate. already cleared 2/3 margin in the house too.
veto override needs 2/3 vote
Anaconda with the facts
It seems we don’t have any “homeland security” from our three letter agencies anyway so no big loss there. If they are so useless that they can’t even be bothered to investigate our hilariously and obviously broken election system and protect the democratic foundations of our nation then they are objectively useless.
This is one of those bills that always passes and, therefore, is full of pork. If they want to pass their pet projects, they will need to do what he says.
Win-Win!
DADDY IS GETTING THE BELT!!
DAD IS MAD. GIVE DAD HIS CROWN NOW!
Same tribe
Swamp propaganda machine / brainwashing machine / attacking dogs disguised as media and Bigtech.
It is time to fuck them off.
I have no idea. What I do know is that everyone right or left is programmed and conditioned to shut down any conversation about this subject. We are not allowed to have the slightest curiosity without being branded as a David duke holocaust denier nazi etc.
Not all J—- are zionists and not all zionists are J—-. Ppl need to stop squealing anti-Semite! Anti-Semite! And look into this shit. It’s like the black lady Dr Linda Lee Target who testified at the Michigan hearings yesterday said something along the lines of: “These inner city folk are lazy and apathetic and are not doing their jobs. They look like me and they are failing to do what’s right. But people can’t say this because they’ll call you racist. But it’s the truth so I’m going to say it simply because it’s the truth.”
Thomas Jefferson didn’t swear upon the altar of God eternal hostility against all forms of tyranny over the mind of man for mainstream media to program us all into not using the J—- word in vain. When you look into central banks, media, education system, communism, CIA, world banks.... it becomes quite clear that a good chunk of (((them))) are a bigger threat to freedom and our children’s future than Islam or jihadi radicals. Even if I’m wrong, we should be allowed to have a healthy robust discussion about these and how to resolve it with our principles in tact instead of shutting down thoughts and worshipping those who are in many ways tyrannizing our minds, culture, and free speech (literally there’s speech code laws now).
But hey, downvote me so you can get that dopamine hit and pretend you stuck it to a an evil horrible person who judges everyone by groups and is a Marxist hypocrite instead of someone who judges each individually but understands stereotypes exist for a reason and becomes alarmed when (((certain))) stereotypes are absolutely not allowed to be questioned in a country where we supposedly are free and supposedly have free speech even though we are robbed silly via the 16th amendment and work all day Monday for free whether we realize it or not and are double triple and even quadruple taxed to death and in return this tax money is used to line the pockets of sellouts, traitors, globalists, and people who ship our jobs overseas and teach our kids to reject the founding principles of the country. Even being upset about these things makes me a Nazi then perhaps people should look up what a nazi actually is and perhaps you should realize communists are even WORSE than nazis and perhaps you should look into who invented (((communism))) and who is pushing the communist manifesto into the rest of the world and who sets to benefit humongous from all of this. Idk you tell me how 0.2% of a certain group of people accounts for around 1 in 10 of the world’s billionaires, the majority of the central banking chairs, the majority of the porn producers & the majority of mainstream media CEO’s/chairs/owners. Maybe they’re completely innocent and we could stand to learn from them or maybe the protocols are legit. I don’t know. But it probably wouldn’t hurt to freely talk about people who dominate the information that penetrates the minds of nearly every single one our fellow Americans. Rant over.
Always point this out to those who still refuse to discuss the (((real))) problem. When the muslims had their religious leaders real thoughts and the real beliefs of that horrid religion, everyone was able to eventually come to the understanding, that we simply cannot allow the religion to exist within the freedom loving United States.
So why are we taking so long to realize the same with Judaism? I'm trying to spread this video everywhere I can, but not enough people will acknowledge the consequences should be the exact same as muslims. We. Cannot. Co-Exist.
Every time. Nearly all of them.
Get leftist on our side with this by promising freeeeeeee healthcare instead of funding NDAA.
The metal studded one with two rows
The President wears no crown.
lol, this explains why .win is loading really slowly right now. Bout damn time!
they think a 30 minute ddos attack in retaliation is effective "retribution" for not bending the knee to them.
they never acknowledge the power of the streisand effect
Anytime there's a DDOS it's just a reminder to check for stickies or tune into New for a while.
First thing I do haha
Explains it.
It’s funny they think lashing out will help them. If Trump sets his sights on you, you’ve already lost. At least go down with some dignity!
Their dignity was gone longggg ago. I only hope the confused people on the bottom, so to speak, can wake up and realize what's going on.
Fuck around, and find out.
Zuck around, get cucked
Fap around
Splooge out
Toob out
Zuck done cucked himself.
He should have done this three years ago.
The best time to plant a tree is 40 years ago. The second best time is right now.
The Liberty Tree.
Always time to water that tree.
Marvelous. I’m envious I didn’t pick that one up
With the blood of tyrants.
Nah, it'd become corrupted. I'd rather it be with the blood and sweat of patriots. Seems more poetic.
You know what I meant by that bro lmao
yeah kek just trying to be a wiseass
Wouldn’t second best be 39 years ago?
Grrr
If you could go back in time and plant it, 40 years is usually best for most trees (if going to timetravel 39 years, might as well 40.) But if you can't, then right now is best rather than waiting for the future to do it.
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Sect 230 isn't even constitutional in the first place. It can be stricken down, or repealed. Or it can be effectively neutralized before then...
To any WH Lurkers -- The WH Council's office can write a 1 page E.O. which effectively nullies Big Tech Censorship (and it's marxism spreading).
Need More Strict-Constitutionalist MAGA Republicans in the WH Councils office!
For the Strictly-Constitutional WIN & WIN Plan to win Electors and clean up the Elections:
https://thedonald.win/p/11Q8EhtERu/for-everyone-who-wants-djtpence-/
Keep spreading the WIN&WIN Pedes, we're making headway!
We all still had hope we could fix things from inside the system.
Now we all know for sure that the system is rigged. There is only one way to fix a rigged system.
I think the difference is that we have a very specific and concrete reason now.
Even though we knew it was just as bad before, now the entire public knows and/or it can be easily explained to them.
I think you need to learn how to read.
Ric Grennell said it would take more than 8 years.
He did. Not realizing this reveals your lack of understanding of "the game". Imho he's been gone a kingly brilliant.
You can’t win the optics game against people who are determined to slander you no matter what. Announce that you cured cancer and they will criticize you for not curing it sooner, for not curing Alzheimer’s instead, for depriving indigenous trans people of color the opportunity to claim the achievement for themselves, etc.
Leaving them there to cause havoc everyone will eventually see as undeniable is the best way to drain the swamp. Otherwise he just looks like a tyrant.
Well, not if he's been planning on "draining the swamp" since well before 2016. Seems like keeping these rats IN the barrel seems to be turning out to be a good move... especially when he (and WE) are about to fill that barrel up to the top with water. If he let them go early... well, many would have escaped what's coming to them.
What did you do in your first hundred days of presidency? Trump should of got the Nobel prize 5 times over . But keep chirping from an armchair, with respect fellow pede
There was plenty of time to get this done. He could have done it instead of moving the Israel embassy or making it illegal to question the allegiance of people who have dual citizenship with Israel or banning bump stocks or giving away our money so women and minorities can finally succeed at running businesses despite consistently posting losses
He had a social media summit at one point and it was basically a high school pep rally about how big tech is a meanie. Nothing whatsoever came from it
Its adorable when teenagers start critiquing the adults. Just kidding. The know it all phase is annoying.
It's difficult to remember how different social media was even 12 months ago.
I was wondering why destroying big tech wasn't in his second term agenda, maybe it's because he wants to do it before it even starts :)
He got 4 years of horse shit from them. I'd imagine Daddy is fuming with his win being stolen from him compounding his anger and frustration. There's no way he doesn't want them gone so he can. That's his biggest opposition is media. It not only is against him but actively turns others against him reaching billions.
We’ve danced around this topic enough, time to grab it by the pussy.
as a "Chad" myself, the "grab em" line was always about "taking control" and "being a man in charge" but to the weak left, they took it entirely and only literally, which it wasnt simply that.
this comment alone tells me you're a Brad. Don't mistake yourself
Uh I'm not sure you're a literal chad unless you've literally grabbed a hot chick by the pussy.
When you're a Chad, they want you to do it.
I'll tell you without a doubt.. i am a chad.
Light skin nigga
Alexa, play Jealous Girl by New Edition
Oh yah? Answer me this: when you’re in bed with hot Asian twins, which one do you satisfy first?
Trick question, they bang in the kitchen.
It's a little of everything.
but you're right, you can walk into a room of 10's and they flock to you
even literally, it was just locker room talk
doesn't mean he actually grabbed anyone by the pussy
i can tell you i had a three way with jessica alba and betty white
doesn't mean that's automatically true (though it is)
I heard Betty is a 3-hole kinda lady
She let him do it 🤷♀️ Her body her choice
Daddy's angry - i like it when hes angry hehehehe
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ALL NIGHT LONG!!
God I love that movie!
Water boy is sandlers best movie change my mind.
uncut gems is pretty good.
Yeah uncut is pretty good
And you too
Sorry. Wrong thread.
He wouldn’t even be talking or thinking about future bills if he “lost”. He’s got this.
He isn't acting remotely like someone who knows that they only have 50 days left in office, and it isn't because he's stupid. Firing squads, Pentagon shakeup, 1000 military aircraft in the skies today, he knows that he will win a second term.
You can't rule out that he's trying to cause as much damage as possible before cheatin joe gets sworn in.
He won't use the insurrection act, he'll go and try to win in 2024. He didn't use it when half the country burned this summer
Because that wasn't the end of the line. You don't invoke something like that until you've exhausted all other options.
There is no 2024. If they win by cheating they will destroy Trump and his family. There will never be a fair election again.
I know its now or ever, I think his advisors are telling him he can just run again (Kushner). I hope he crosses the Rubicon, but it seems very unlikely.
Let's not play the game of what Trump is being told right now. Leave that to CNN.
Kushner isn't stupid. He knows the political backstabbing in politics. He's worked with much viler regimes. There is zero chance he's advising Trump to just try again.
No one on Team Trump is thinking of 2024.
That's fair, but Biden could undo basically everything that I mentioned above, so then it would be redundant and pointless. Now to mention that he isn't anywhere near dumb enough to give the modern Democratic Party firing squads.
Of course you know the left will claim the opposite.
"He's flailing! He's desperate! He's lashing out at phantoms, and hurting the country in the process! Maybe we should remove him even earlier than January!"
Well that's the left, when was the last time they were right about anything pertaining to Trump?
As opposed to a regular day?
Wanna say the regular number was around 250 on a regular day. Looking for the tweet that was tracking them.
yeah but nigga how tho like wtf is da move from here? we only got two weeks till da niggas at da college vote for biden... whats finna happen within da next two weeks? where tf are da supremes are them niggas even tryna hear da mfin case? like what’s da plan nigga !??
SCOTUS are now starting to take our cases in PA. We'll see at least one flip by Saturday and the rest will fall like dominos.
isnt this da first case da supremes finna hear tho? are there any others gettin tossed up to those niggas why tf aint da supremes been droppin rulings on these niggas already tho !?? nigga they da JUDGE brah just declare some shit n say da fraud states = auto win for trump. shit could be settled in 15 mins brah tf are those niggas doin smh they supposed to be da equal power branch to da congress and da prez. declare that shit invalid and give donald da w
Are you really a Hillary's diaper? If so do an AMA.
Not sure of the Constitutionality of awarding all fraud ridden states to Trump. And there was at least one other Trump case that went up to SCOTUS a few days ago. I'm pretty sure we got a favorable ruling in AZ today, PA and AZ put us at 263. From there, Nevada will probably flip, and Georgia as well. WI and MI I think could stay blue, but i don't think they'll matter in the end.
I dont speak BLM, can someone translate?
One man vs. the world. He will win. Stand by our president!
With you.
One man and God is a majority
That will be the fault of those who send him a bill without repealing 230.
Section 230 is codified as part of the Telecommunications Decency Act 1996... not the NDAA. The NDAA is used to appropriate funding for defense programs.
Big Tech is a national security threat now if that makes a difference.
I read this as him wanting to forever pull section 239 from the NDAA
What's the use of a military if there is no Republic for them to defend 🤔
I guarantee, people who are willing to sacrifice their lives for this country are willing to deal with a delay in military funding. Is the republic worth saving or not?
So China wins a war on us no funding
Which I think is why 230 will probably be removed / changed?
The president made the first move and set the playing field. I think it would be hard for anyone to refuse to work with trump all to protect twatter
They can’t be that stupid. Trying to impeach him now would surly wake even more normies up. If they’re that confident they won why not just wait out the next month of his presidency. All trying to impeach him would show is that they’re weak and he has all the power.
Color resolution or Color revolution?
Trust they'll be funded by E.O. or high water
I'm sure they have enough money laying around until it eventually gets passed.
Start by arresting Zuckerberg & Jack Dorsey, they are compromised foreign controlled actors helping to subvert our democracy.
Scatter them to the wind with the three letter agencies Mr President, you have our support.
Zuck's ccp wife has nothing to do with Zuck attempting to destroy America (wait a minute....).
We need this man!
Good. Veto it.
As a tech guy this is great and terrible at the same time. We all must sacrifice and fight so lets go revoke that shit
I don’t think 230 has anything to do with that. You can’t delete every liberal or conservative comment, and have publisher status because you are editing free speech.
That's exactly what 230 has to do with. All this rhetoric about "platform or publisher" has people confused. And unfortunately, when people are confused they still talk like they know what they're talking about, so misinformation spreads rapidly.
Section 230 of the communications decency act establishes that websites that host user generated content are not liable for what their users share on their website, provided the host makes a good faith effort to remove illegal content. This means TD.win is not liable if some rando commie posts CP on the site as an attack. Remove 230 and the commies have an easy way to get this site taken down. And parler. And Bitchute. And gab, and rumble, and your own private little message board site you're trying to start. If you remove 230 you wind up with only the biggest companies will be able to afford the moderation and legal teams to protect themselves, which means you and I won't be able to post a meme anywhere but Twitter and Facebook. By the way, repealing section 230 does not outlaw internet censorship.
That's literally now how it works... every website is liable for what's written by people in them, including us. So if a couple of discord trannies start making 'chant's of jewish genocide, racial slurs, etc. We'll get fucking sued into oblivion, and so will other sites without the tools to moderate that behaviour.
Great and Terrible at the same time in what sense? Ive been trying to undersrand 230 since trump mentioned it back in the day...
Eli5... No... 6. Eli6. If you dont mind!
long story short, social media companies enjoy liability protections because they are a public square. They aren't held to editorial standards that could expose them to libel/slander/content suits because they can't control what users post therefore it is seen as a public good basically. Now that they are censoring and editing content, specifically conservatives, and most specifically the president, the protection should be lifted. This opens the door for libel, slander, child porn, and many other lawsuits due to the revocation of their protection which basically renders it a useless entity.
They would get sued into bankruptcy overnight and would become a footnote in history books.
Yes we would have 3-6 months of shutdowns on website due to the fear of liability, including this very site.
But Congress would step up quickly to write new legislation that would make it crystal clear as to how you gain liability protection.
It can be done but right now social media giants get the best of both worlds, the edit and censor like publishers while getting the protection of a platform.
One tweak they would need to add is fan based or lets saw a site focused on hunting. The Hunting website could censor/delete posts regarding PETA and not be forced to become publishers.
What can't happen is a site claiming to be a public forum like twtter and allow them to ban conservatives. If twitter declared they were a SJW site then by all means they can ban who they want but even then they started as an open forum so they might be stuck as being open (they abused being 'open' to gain massive followings, had they been declared SJW from day one it would have never grown).
Twitter has declared themselves an SJW site. Read their terms of use.
If Twitter branded themselves as "only for communists" tomorrow do you think there would be a mass exodus? Nope, people are addicted to followers.
I think you're right about the "they'd be forced to make a new law" thing, but the plan could backfire. It could just force the US out as a place for innovation in the networking space. We could wind up having to use foreign sites just to publish our thoughts, subject to their laws. I don't know about you but I'd rather be able to talk about the Holocaust or criticize Islam and maybe have to go to a smaller website, I'd rather be subject to the rules of websites which I can switch between than the laws of foreign governments.
Or the government could decide to write some fucked up law that regulates what we say online, not just protecting us from censorship. Or the government could write a law firmly entrenching the big tech sites as institutions online even more. Or the government could write a law that opens you or I up to lawsuits if we decide to make a website and try to keep it topic specific. What happens with a "free speech" law online if we try to deport commies on this website?
I just don't see a real solution to this other than "if you make the website you decide what people can say on it" which is what we have now. And I'd definitely rather have to pick a different website to have conversations on than be able to say whatever on twitter but not be able to run my own website and risk lawsuits. I think the solution to this big tech censorship stuff is to just not use big tech, which is what I personally do.
Yes . But along with them every other site that allows user content. Including THIS. But what is even more likely to happen is the big sites will employ much stricter filters and A WHOLE LOT OF MODERATORS . and the smaller sites will be completely dead . Because who the fuck would want to start a site with such liabilities hanging over your head.
So, won’t this in theory just mean they would increase censorship across the board now? Since they would be liable for everything posted?
you say this as if there is anything to lose. let me remind you the president of the US and leader of the free world is being censored on every post and conservatives are banned and censored from all forms of social media every single day.. at least there would be legal recourse for their blatant partisanship
I'm saying whatever I want online right now. We have this site and others like it to lose. If the president made an account on this site right now he would never be censored on the internet again.
If section 230 gets repealed some commie is going to come on this site and spam it with CP or links to download the black panther movie and then the next day this site will be gone. Where will we have left? Why, the only websites with the money for legal teams, lobbyists and moderation capacity, twitter and Facebook.
Repeal of section 230 is a trojan horse. The solution is to not use websites that don't let you say what you want.
Or to modify section 230 so that when you censor legal content you loose protection.
OK so then what happens when this site gets sued for deporting a commie troll?
I dont like this explanation.
Social media wasnt a thing in the 90s. its a 2000s phenomenon.
We need to fix 230. How to fix? simple? Freedom of speech aside from blatantly illegal materials (Child pornography, Doxing offenders etc) and minor discretionary restrictions (Gore, porn, Doxes, etc) Its a platform. If you start trying to editorialize the words of elected officials? You are now a Publisher.
I personally think there should be a new category called "Private Bulletin Board (PBB - pronounced "pub")" which gives some protections for immediate infringements (like with the platform) but has more stringent specifications like a publisher. Basically an inbetween. Also make copyright takedowns harder on full Platforms and easier on PBBs and Publishers. There legal liabilities protected. you chose your class of service.
Thats the most fair to most companies I think.
-Also internet bill of rights NOW.
Make Usenet Great Again
So then what happens when I click that deport button when some commie shill comes on this website and says bullshit? We have to give them free speech here? How does that work?
If you think about this topic for 5 minutes a little bit you'll see that you simply cannot tell websites what sort of content they have to host. There is no legal solution to this problem. The solution is social in nature, a personal choice: don't use censorious platforms or big tech. The solution to the problem on a larger scope is based in a free market: people will move to places where they can have real conversations. Big tech will die due to this censorship on their own. There is no need for a law, only for another account on another website.
Did you even read what I wrote or nahh? You just went off?
Under what I wrote TDW is a PBB (pub). A private user forum with strict rules.. In fact most highly specialized forums are PBBs.
But besides the point, nothing here is about "legality" it's about status as a publisher or a platform. Ok a website doesnt want to hose certain content? thats their prerogative, just don't go expecting specialized protections for it
So you want the government to draw, in crayon, exactly every type of content every type of site can and cannot moderate?
What if I want to host anything anyone on my website wants to say, except criticism of myself? Am I a platform or a publisher or a pbb or whatever? Am I allowed to moderate furry hentai?
Classing LOLberterian. You're completely missing the point, chomping at the bit to scream "MUH GOVERNMENT OVERREACH"
This has zero to do with the legality of the content Rather it's a tool to see where the burden of responsibility, and other liabilities lie and it exists not just for your protection but the protection of the consumer as it is to them to know their rights regarding your service.
It's really no different than calling yourself a For-profit versus non-profit. Are you a publisher? Then liabilities for illegal content lie on you. Are you a platform? Ok, people posting illegal content to your site do not ping liabilities to you, and the offender is liable to be sued.
You get caught up in this "am I allowed to..." and the strict answer is: you're allowed to do whatever the fuck you want to, just know it changes where liabilities are. Under your example you're closer to a PBB as "Criticism of myself" isn't exactly discretionary. As I said in my examples, pornography is discretionary so in my example were you to moderate out user's pornographic posts you'd still be considered a platform.
Yeah but it opens us up to the same lawsuits. It opens every single interactive website anyone has made or anyone is thinking of making to potential lawsuits.
Thank you! Trying to research it back in the day had be confused. You summed it up!
The bill protects everyone, even us, from stuff posted to your site's servers.
So the idea was to protect you and giving you the chance to delete illegal things from your site without getting in trouble at all, but they wrote it in such a way that allowed them to also delete "otherwise questionable content", which they've taken it upon themselves to mean "we'll remove anything we don't like, even presidential tweets".
Eliminating it entirely will destroy all social media, but at this point, it's for the better because it will destroy big tech in the process (this move would be the equivalent of going full scorched earth against them).
(pd: that said, I'm not sure if text-only speech is allowed without 230. if it was, we wouldn't have to take this site down)
(pd2: the better move would be to reform it, but traitors in congress are completely bought by big tech, or to have the FCC clarify it, but Ajit Pai is pozzed too, he pulled an AG BARR on us saying he'll do it and then didn't do jack shit)
Are we putting warnings on posts? Do we have clear rules and expectations and hold all people who join to the same rules?
If so, it wouldn't apply to us.
Draw me a picture of how that works exactly.
Want to bet this won't affect them one bit ? They already have the best tools in the world at their disposal . They will not let anything questionable on their sites.
The only ones who will be affected by the complete removal will be the smaller sites. Who don't have either the money or the legal teams to fight any of this.
The solution isn't complete removal. Just modify it so that if they censor legal content ... they loose their protection.
Usenet existed before 230
Basically, the argument is this: section 230 carved out special protections for these internet platforms. Mainly that they would be immune from liability if someone on their platform commits defamation, for instance. This is different than, say, The NY Times where if they print slanderous material they can be sued for it. This was all premised on a “good faith” clause in their ability to, basically, rid their cites of the worst kinds of shit. Like child porn, for instance.
It’s obvious, in the 90’s, no one could have predicted what these websites have become.
But now, the argument is, these companies are no longer acting like a platform (like a phone company) but a publisher (like NYT). That they are censoring content specific material and basically becoming like a publisher, and therefore shouldn’t be given special protections. I happen to agree, I think we must stop what is in front of us.
The problem is, as written, most of these websites won’t allow comments at all on their websites. It’s a different problem for congress to handle.
The intention of 230 is actually valuable. It's effectively the same protection that a shopping mall has for the speech of people walking around in it. You can't sue the mall for another customer slandering you while you're walking around. Shopping malls act as public spaces. They kind of have to be, to fulfill their function as a place of free congregation, plus the malls have neither the interest nor capacity to monitor and control the speech of all people in the mall. A Town Square can still be a Town Square even if it's privately owned.
Once upon a time, it made sense to offer this protection as a platform to websites, because they were platforms. But two things have happened since then.
First, they have become more essential to public discourse. They have become public services. The law can compel you to grant access to someone to use a private road, if it is the only reasonable way for them to access their property. Certainly Twitter and Facebook have become places for public discourse that everyone with first amendment rights has the right to speak in. Twitter is the printing press of today.
Secondly, these companies have begun to exert editorial control over users' content. They have rules about what can and can't be said, and how things must be said, and assert full, sole, unaccountable authority to censor, suppress, and manipulate any user content they wish. And they have the technology to do so at a mass scale.
So on two fronts, the justification for Section 230 as it applies to social media has been completely undermined. But the principle is still important. Imagine an internet where a leftist could come on .win, anonymously post some libel or something, then sue the website and have the whole site taken down. For that matter, imagine a world where a restaurant can get sued by a customer that overhears another customer saying something offensive.
As for the vagueness of 230, it's partially by design. Obviously websites need some right to moderate content on their site. A) for spam, B) for illegal material, and C) because they get to determine what their platform is about. But C goes out the window once the platform positions itself as an integral layer of social, marketing, informational, and political infrastructure of the whole world. Twitter is not the equivalent of a knitting forum that doesn't want to let people talk about about scuba diving. By becoming more important and more public, they've lost their "private space" status, and they've lost their "acting in good faith" presumption by acting in bad faith.
So what to do about 230? You could argue it's an enforcement issue, and that on its face, editorializing user content makes you a publisher not a platform, therefore liable under current law. But we really need some rewording, clarification, or rewriting of the law itself, to make it explicit what differentiates platform and publisher, and what protections and privileges come with each of those statuses. Strict removal of the section would open the gates for a ton of litigation. (And that's not a bad way for this kind of statue to form, by the way. What would happen is a bunch of suits are filed, cases work their way to higher courts, and important courts, probably SCOTUS eventually, would decide what statutes work for properly separating platform and publisher. A lot of lawyers would get rich along the way, however).
It's wise of Trump to demand complete removal up front, though. It's a classic Trump tactic to ask for more than you want. Then people will freak out and say "Whoa whoa! Let's not be hasty. How about we just modify it so everyone's happy without getting a million lawyers involved?" rather than them just saying "Meh, no."
im guessing: monopolies are great when you're in them.
getting rid of 230 will probably destroy their monopoly, is my guess
Getting rid of 230 entrenches their monopoly. Every single website on the internet that allows comments is protected by 230. That includes this site. Without 230, some brigade decides to post Micky mouse fanfic on our website and the next thing we are getting sued by Disney into the ground. The only companies that can survive that environment are the ones with big legal teams. Do I need to name those sites for you?
You want this site gone? Parler gone? Bitchute gone? You think multi billion dollar sites with huge legal teams and AI that can moderate their content before anyone even sees it need 230 protection? Do you honestly believe that repealing the law that protects us on the internet will hurt the big tech sites at all?
DO you think he cares. Most people don't understand even what they themselves write.
I would prefer if they changed it.
Censure anything legal and you are a publisher and no 230 protection for you.
If it's completely removed the tech giants will be unstoppable. No way a startup could ever compete .
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Why does it seem he's baiting with the desk thing? So eloquent.
It's a reminder that he is still President.
Good.
Next Up: Insurrection Act & Martial Law
We have no choice; we must stop the commie coup
I just hope he isn’t backstabbed by Senate Republicans. Too many of them are at the big tech trough.
If they do that's more people to add to the list.
Big privileges given to big tech
Hi @jack time to shave that beard, no facial hair in federal prison. (Unless you have the beard because you're a muslim @jackass)
Send him to Gitmo.
Drop him out of the helicopter along the way.
He’s going to need the protection
Yes.
Yikes
Its from an influx of pedes
deport
Fastest sticky in the west
Can he do that before Jan20 or after Jan20 ?
Doesn't matter Trump won.
Did you watch the testimony from Michigan today.
Trump won Michigan by a lot!
It’s almost like nobody is paying attention. Folks, we have a great big beautiful win. Fabulous win. The best win.
yeah except my entire extended family who supports trump and only gets their trump news from fox and the mainstream press thinks trumps fucked and think im a conspiracy theorist.
What family? .win is your family. :)
ok but da results got certified for biden tho... da college niggas vote in two weeks. like wtf is da move from here? where are da supremes !??
Heres the --->shit/fan<---
And if you direct your focus up to the ceiling here, and look really closely, you’ll notice the spot just where the fecal matter makes contact with the fan blades, right along the edges here.
They had a HUGE hand in this farce.
NUKE THEM FROM ORBIT
*YUGE
When is the NDAA set to be voted on?
I was wondering the same
Apparently Dec 11. https://www.moaa.org/content/publications-and-media/news-articles/2020-news-articles/advocacy/ndaa-update-push-to-pass-authorization-bill-continues-amid-budget-debate/
HOT!
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TERMINATE IT
Fuk yeah! Hold the line! No optics, no focus groups, no fuks just so what is right for the country! MAGA 2020
About fucking time. Take the gloves off.
Ok guys. ELI5 and be patient with me please. But I thought Section 230 was in some ways a good thing in that at it's base it was implemented to protect platforms like us td.win? It's only the fact that loopholes in the policy were being exploited by big tech to censor us. My assumption is that GEOTUS knows this and taken an extreme stance in the hopes of having those loopholes closed. But if pressed and the veto happens couldn't this end up backfiring for us in the end?
The concern I'm getting at is the elimination of Section 230 would remove protection from all platforms. And unfortunately for us the left has a bigger warchest for lawfare and the backing of government to lay siege against patriotic platforms like ours.
Section 230 needs to be clarified, I have no problem with an Internet Service Provider having 'immunity' for providing a service that is open to everyone. When groups like Facebook, Twitter, and Youtube choose to suppress some content (i.e. Breitbart, InfoWars) and promote others (i.e. CNN) they're clearly acting as publishers and should not have legal protections for their content.
Are we acting as publishers here on this site when we deport commie shills?
No more Immunity.
Let's shut down the CCP!
We’re in the endgame now And we win here
I went to this tweet and when I pressed “like” Twitter generated a message asking me if I wanted to like it. “Are you sure?” Very hostile, a veiled threat. Or what? Twitter is keeping track and will block my account? Oooh, I’m shaking! Lol. What the hell?
GEOTUS unleashed. VETO 230 first, insurrection act second. My body is ready!
Abolish230
So it begins..
My dick is hard as fuck
It’s on!
Like Donkey-Kong!
Honestly, If he had made this a priority early in his presidency we might not have to stop the steal right now.
CENSORCUCKS BTFO FOREVER