Folks are gonna hate on this sentiment likely because they forget that God wants you wholly dependent on him, and our definitions of success may vary significantly from his.
Yep. I'm not going to get all preachy but let me say that no matter what, if SHTF and it doesn't go OUR WAY, it is still God's plan, and no matter who "wins" this election - Jesus Christ is King, before, now, and forever!
I used to believe this too... until my wife's work educated me about how many children are so traumatized that they have the will to live "raped" out of them. They abandon all hope and kill themselves.
It's not that they abandoned Jesus... it's more like they fought until they couldn't fight anymore and faded away long before their bodies died.
So I disagree: some people are given more than they can handle. They fight, but they don't always win.
I suspect not every challenge we face in life is part of God's plan. I suspect God doesn't cause car accidents and I suspect God doesn't plan for children to be traumatized so badly that they no longer recognize themselves in the mirror.
The fact that for so many people he has chosen not to and allowed them to come to the inevitable conclusion he already knew would happen indicates the very least, indifference to it.
Or that the manifest suffering in the world is a necessary ingredient in order to give rise to the best of all possible worlds, and without such interspersed suffering the universe itself would be less elegant, less beautiful, less godly.
Omnipotence is a fallacy: for example, God cannot lie, will not fail, and does not change. These are the only limits I'm aware of, but even just this much vacates omnipotence. The better English rendition is "most powerful," rather than all powerful.
Account for this information and at least some of your conclusions will necessarily change. Existential stuff to ponder ...
You think you're talking about free will, but what you're describing is illusion of free will dictated by mechanistic action. In other words, you're free to choose what the maze decides.
I strongly disagree. I've made choices that go against every possible mechanistic explanation...they have flown against how I was raised, what I experienced, or my genetics or culture. I made them because I decided they were "right".
And I've pulled myself out of deeply ingrained patterns of behavior because someone I love told me I had a problem. It was love that made the change, not a bunch of chemical reactions. If anything the chemicals reactions were keeping me in the same place as before.
The essential question is do the atoms control us or do we control the atoms? I think this differs from person to person, but we can control our own lives if we choose to.
i honestly think what happened was that initially god set up a near-perfect system, however something happened in which the creation itself in some way betrayed its creator causing an imperfection.
god, being outside of time, would see the beginning, middle and end. and I think so long as the beginning nor end are altered, ultimately the system is still running in a way which achieves the initial result still at the very end.
im not sure that god doesnt care that the middle is fucked up -- but that it ultimately does not matter as long as the beginning and end arent. and thats why you could say "everything is still according to plan".
whatever influenced/fucked up the universe at the middle stage didnt fuck it up enough to actually throw off the results significantly, even if it may seem that way to us in the present time.
also god coming in to "fix" it now could result in even more unintended fuck-up consequences which DO in fact start changing the beginning or the end. I mean essentially thats what lucifer did by falling I guess and starting the initial fuck-up to begin with. start interfering with the system once it was already in place.
The point isn't that people don't fail - it's that if you are enduring suffering, it is something that God can give you the grace to handle if you only ask for it and rely on Him. All things are possible with God, and He obviously knew what was to come, how you are feeling, and what you need.
God won’t give us a task we can’t handle. Much love ! <3
Folks are gonna hate on this sentiment likely because they forget that God wants you wholly dependent on him, and our definitions of success may vary significantly from his.
Yep. I'm not going to get all preachy but let me say that no matter what, if SHTF and it doesn't go OUR WAY, it is still God's plan, and no matter who "wins" this election - Jesus Christ is King, before, now, and forever!
Honestly it seems like we may war no matter who wins.
That is called knowing that God is sovereign. Preach it, brother.
Yes He is 🙌
I used to believe this too... until my wife's work educated me about how many children are so traumatized that they have the will to live "raped" out of them. They abandon all hope and kill themselves.
It's not that they abandoned Jesus... it's more like they fought until they couldn't fight anymore and faded away long before their bodies died.
So I disagree: some people are given more than they can handle. They fight, but they don't always win.
I suspect not every challenge we face in life is part of God's plan. I suspect God doesn't cause car accidents and I suspect God doesn't plan for children to be traumatized so badly that they no longer recognize themselves in the mirror.
There are casualties in every war. That doesn't mean there isn't a general in control or soldiers without duties.
What you wrote, while a tragic reality, is not responsive to what you responded to: you are not referring to a task God gave them.
And how do you define a "task from God"?
That's a rhetorical question, incase you didn't underhand.
Edit: I'm sorry a down-vote is the only response you could manage.
Anything people can handle, clearly. (/s)
Yeah, the actual scripture says the Lord won’t let us encounter a temptation we can’t handle.
Whether or not one is capable of handling something is different then whether or not they choose to handle something.
Or that the manifest suffering in the world is a necessary ingredient in order to give rise to the best of all possible worlds, and without such interspersed suffering the universe itself would be less elegant, less beautiful, less godly.
God is not the only force in our world.
And death is part of it.
This does not equal indifference.
Omnipotence is a fallacy: for example, God cannot lie, will not fail, and does not change. These are the only limits I'm aware of, but even just this much vacates omnipotence. The better English rendition is "most powerful," rather than all powerful.
Account for this information and at least some of your conclusions will necessarily change. Existential stuff to ponder ...
You think you're talking about free will, but what you're describing is illusion of free will dictated by mechanistic action. In other words, you're free to choose what the maze decides.
I strongly disagree. I've made choices that go against every possible mechanistic explanation...they have flown against how I was raised, what I experienced, or my genetics or culture. I made them because I decided they were "right".
And I've pulled myself out of deeply ingrained patterns of behavior because someone I love told me I had a problem. It was love that made the change, not a bunch of chemical reactions. If anything the chemicals reactions were keeping me in the same place as before.
The essential question is do the atoms control us or do we control the atoms? I think this differs from person to person, but we can control our own lives if we choose to.
i honestly think what happened was that initially god set up a near-perfect system, however something happened in which the creation itself in some way betrayed its creator causing an imperfection.
god, being outside of time, would see the beginning, middle and end. and I think so long as the beginning nor end are altered, ultimately the system is still running in a way which achieves the initial result still at the very end.
im not sure that god doesnt care that the middle is fucked up -- but that it ultimately does not matter as long as the beginning and end arent. and thats why you could say "everything is still according to plan".
whatever influenced/fucked up the universe at the middle stage didnt fuck it up enough to actually throw off the results significantly, even if it may seem that way to us in the present time.
also god coming in to "fix" it now could result in even more unintended fuck-up consequences which DO in fact start changing the beginning or the end. I mean essentially thats what lucifer did by falling I guess and starting the initial fuck-up to begin with. start interfering with the system once it was already in place.
Satan is real. Despair is real. Sometimes the demons win. Why do you think this fight is so important?
Amen
Irrelevant to the statement made. His ways are not our ways.
The point isn't that people don't fail - it's that if you are enduring suffering, it is something that God can give you the grace to handle if you only ask for it and rely on Him. All things are possible with God, and He obviously knew what was to come, how you are feeling, and what you need.