The fact that for so many people he has chosen not to and allowed them to come to the inevitable conclusion he already knew would happen indicates the very least, indifference to it.
Or that the manifest suffering in the world is a necessary ingredient in order to give rise to the best of all possible worlds, and without such interspersed suffering the universe itself would be less elegant, less beautiful, less godly.
Omnipotence is a fallacy: for example, God cannot lie, will not fail, and does not change. These are the only limits I'm aware of, but even just this much vacates omnipotence. The better English rendition is "most powerful," rather than all powerful.
Account for this information and at least some of your conclusions will necessarily change. Existential stuff to ponder ...
You think you're talking about free will, but what you're describing is illusion of free will dictated by mechanistic action. In other words, you're free to choose what the maze decides.
I strongly disagree. I've made choices that go against every possible mechanistic explanation...they have flown against how I was raised, what I experienced, or my genetics or culture. I made them because I decided they were "right".
And I've pulled myself out of deeply ingrained patterns of behavior because someone I love told me I had a problem. It was love that made the change, not a bunch of chemical reactions. If anything the chemicals reactions were keeping me in the same place as before.
The essential question is do the atoms control us or do we control the atoms? I think this differs from person to person, but we can control our own lives if we choose to.
i honestly think what happened was that initially god set up a near-perfect system, however something happened in which the creation itself in some way betrayed its creator causing an imperfection.
god, being outside of time, would see the beginning, middle and end. and I think so long as the beginning nor end are altered, ultimately the system is still running in a way which achieves the initial result still at the very end.
im not sure that god doesnt care that the middle is fucked up -- but that it ultimately does not matter as long as the beginning and end arent. and thats why you could say "everything is still according to plan".
whatever influenced/fucked up the universe at the middle stage didnt fuck it up enough to actually throw off the results significantly, even if it may seem that way to us in the present time.
also god coming in to "fix" it now could result in even more unintended fuck-up consequences which DO in fact start changing the beginning or the end. I mean essentially thats what lucifer did by falling I guess and starting the initial fuck-up to begin with. start interfering with the system once it was already in place.
Whether or not one is capable of handling something is different then whether or not they choose to handle something.
Or that the manifest suffering in the world is a necessary ingredient in order to give rise to the best of all possible worlds, and without such interspersed suffering the universe itself would be less elegant, less beautiful, less godly.
Well said.
God is not the only force in our world.
And death is part of it.
This does not equal indifference.
Omnipotence is a fallacy: for example, God cannot lie, will not fail, and does not change. These are the only limits I'm aware of, but even just this much vacates omnipotence. The better English rendition is "most powerful," rather than all powerful.
Account for this information and at least some of your conclusions will necessarily change. Existential stuff to ponder ...
You think you're talking about free will, but what you're describing is illusion of free will dictated by mechanistic action. In other words, you're free to choose what the maze decides.
I strongly disagree. I've made choices that go against every possible mechanistic explanation...they have flown against how I was raised, what I experienced, or my genetics or culture. I made them because I decided they were "right".
And I've pulled myself out of deeply ingrained patterns of behavior because someone I love told me I had a problem. It was love that made the change, not a bunch of chemical reactions. If anything the chemicals reactions were keeping me in the same place as before.
The essential question is do the atoms control us or do we control the atoms? I think this differs from person to person, but we can control our own lives if we choose to.
i honestly think what happened was that initially god set up a near-perfect system, however something happened in which the creation itself in some way betrayed its creator causing an imperfection.
god, being outside of time, would see the beginning, middle and end. and I think so long as the beginning nor end are altered, ultimately the system is still running in a way which achieves the initial result still at the very end.
im not sure that god doesnt care that the middle is fucked up -- but that it ultimately does not matter as long as the beginning and end arent. and thats why you could say "everything is still according to plan".
whatever influenced/fucked up the universe at the middle stage didnt fuck it up enough to actually throw off the results significantly, even if it may seem that way to us in the present time.
also god coming in to "fix" it now could result in even more unintended fuck-up consequences which DO in fact start changing the beginning or the end. I mean essentially thats what lucifer did by falling I guess and starting the initial fuck-up to begin with. start interfering with the system once it was already in place.