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I been thinking on those lines too, finally got something, close to retirement but how can we live with ourselves if we don’t stand up. We are all going to die someday and we will have to face all those who went before us, who never had what we had, paid the full price for what we enjoyed. Freedom is not free
So true that this has all happened before. I remember reading about many similar political and societal troubles back in Roman times. Also recall reading on .win about Lincoln dealing with large scale vote fraud.
It's in there already. The Constitution says it guarantees to each State a republican form of government. That means it guarantees both those things that you mention.
He was very much a man of his time. He is a product of the enlightenment age. Men who suffered the real consequences of tyranny and developed practical political solutions to safeguard us from it. If we lose this wisdom, our grandchildren will relearn it the hard way.
Other great quotes show that Thomas Jefferson was very pro-White and would be outraged at the anti-White racism we see today.
First, Jefferson openly praised the physical traits of Whites. He wrote of their “flowing hair” and their “more elegant symmetry of form,” but emphasized the importance of color itself:
Are not the fine mixtures of red and white, the expressions of every passion
by greater or less suffusions of colour in the one [whites], preferable to that eternal monotony, which reigns in the countenances, that immovable veil of
black, which covers all the emotions of the other race?
TJ did not think Blacks were equal to Whites, noting that “in general, their
existence appears to participate more of sensation than reflection.” He hoped slavery would be abolished some day, but stipulated that:
“when freed, he [the Negro] is to be removed beyond the reach of
mixture.”
Jefferson also expected whites eventually to displace all of the Indians of the New World. The United States, he wrote, was to be
“the nest from which all America, North and South, is to be peopled,”
and the hemisphere was to be entirely European:
“...nor can we contemplate with satisfaction either blot or mixture [intermarriage] on that surface.”
No, but it's on my bucket list. I went to DC for a week of museum crawling, but didn't make it to Jefferson's home. He's been my hero since I was a young boy. I disagree with him with regard to religion (he was a Deist, and I am a Christian), but he is undeniably one of the most inspiring, capable, talented, dedicated men to ever walk the face of the earth.
Totally agree. It's impossible to imagine this country without him. I put Franklin up there as well. Both deists. It was Franklin who scratched out "property" and replaced it with "happiness".
TJ's father died when he was young, he was appenticed to a lawyer and spent his teen years studying and working without pay. He also studied architecture and married, built his home and laid out the best gardens in VA, buried his wife, raised 3 daughters without remarrying, founded and built the University of VA, was the leading expert on North American flora and fauna, launched studies into North American Indian cultures in order to learn from them, wrote and sponsored a bill outlawing slavery in the VA legislature, (it didnt pass), founded the library of Congress with his own books, and many other remarkable things; but one thing he never did was father children with a slave woman. An entirely worthy man we can all be proud of.
as digital is the main method of warfare until 4th box actually opens, we are fighting and holding our ground pretty well against the well funded media.
Jefferson was indispensable. But Hamilton was indispensable too.
They were opposites, Jefferson the idealist, and Hamilton the realist, who got it all paid for, so we weren't shirtless in the street, laughed at as silly hippies, whose failed "republic" showed that liberty could never last, because it didn't pay. Men needed a king and inherited, severe, feudal authority to make them do a full day's work, that would have shown. Hamilton saved us from that.
It had to pay.
Jefferson died broke buying books.
Hamilton made our country survive.
What has no sound financial foundation does not last. Hamilton is on the ten dollar bill for good reason. He made it pay. Somebody had to. We owe it all to him.
Both men were geniuses and both men were necessary. It was that kind of generation. Amazing people.
"Jefferson and Aaron Burr tied for the presidency in the electoral college, and Hamilton helped to defeat Burr, whom he found unprincipled, and to elect Jefferson despite philosophical differences."
"Hamilton is generally regarded as an astute and intellectually brilliant politician and financier, if often impetuous. His ideas are credited with laying the foundation for American government and finance. "
Hamilton also pushed hard for us to have a monarchy rather than, yknow, freedom. Sold us out to the Rothschilds as well. Robert Morris was the primary financier of the revolution, not Hamilton's central bank.
I’d rather have a monarchy than whatever the fuck we have today... this political theater put on by elites in two different costumes who pretend to be trapped in gridlock so nothing ever gets done. They spend all day telling us to donate to them and attack the other side. Then after the sun goes down they meet the elites from the other side for martinis
Imagine if trump were a monarch. We’d be in pretty damn good shape right now. “But what if a bad person became the monarch”. That’s where the 2A comes in
Central banking doesn't do that, fiat currency does that. A central bank would work fine if the gold standard was still in effect.
EDIT: You people really need to get a grip on the distinctions between banks, lenders, and minters. The entire problem is that one entity does all of that instead of it being three separate entities.
No, because a central bank eliminates free-market competition. What happens if the central bank runs out of gold? It's a monopoly fully in control of your finances.
Before you had multiple independent banks, each issuing their own banknotes.
What happens if the central bank runs out of gold?
You're not spending gold, you're keeping the gold under lock and key. That's the entire point of representational currency. The total currency represents the total gold holdings. If a dollar represents 1/1000th of an ounce of gold, then new dollars can't represent more or less than that and you prevent inflation. The only way inflation occurs is through an official revaluation, which would quite literally cause a revolt. But since fiat currency just slowly devalues over time, people don't notice it because it's boiled frog syndrome.
A central bank tied to a gold standard with no control over the currency supply would simply be what the name states, a Federal Reserve. A place where the object of value representing the money supply is stored and where people can put their own currency/gold for safekeeping.
You have to separate the concepts of a bank, a mint, and a moneylender. There are three different things that really shouldn't have anything to do with each other because that's how all this shit turns into the mess it is today.
Do you really think we would have seen the 2008 crash if banks were only allowed to lend money from their own assets and not lend from assets you store with them? Banks lend your money to other people, then give you someone else's money when you tell them you want yours back. That's not the function of a bank, that's a shell game. A bank's business model should be limited to holding things securely and charging their customers for that security. Making a profit by lending that money out to other people is outright ridiculous and is frankly theft when you think about it, but we just think it's a perfectly normal business practice.
If a central bank existed to fulfill the need for secure holdings and only that function, it wouldn't be a problem at all. That's an ideal world that doesn't exist, unfortunately, but I'm not going to denigrate Hamilton for thinking it was a good idea. All of the founders were idealists. If they weren't, they would have never been able to even envision the concept of a free people.
You're not describing what Hamilton wanted, nor the reality of what central banks are. You're talking about something you'd like, I might agree, and it might work.
It's never been the reality though.
Neither have you touched upon the nature of the problem: how is money created under our system that's existed since 1913? This is VITALLY important, because it crashing down all around us is what this year has been, and is at least as important as the election fraud that correctly has our attention.
This was an interesting read for me. Though I still think having more than one bank is a good idea. In what way would a central bank with these limited powers/function be better than an array of unrelated banks with the same powers/functions? Is the monopolistic aspect of a central bank not exactly what allows it to spin off into all these other behaviors? Wouldn’t a bank and currency abiding by a gold standard be more desirable than one that doesn’t?
Do you really think we would have seen the 2008 crash if banks were only allowed to lend money from their own assets and not lend from assets you store with them?
Yes. because the moment moment banks went fractionally , there was no turning back. And not amount of LAWS will ever change that.
Proof stands exactly the 2008 crash. More precisely the BAILOUTS and all the reactions to it.
I think a central bank would be viable for a monarchy, where the king/emperor is meant to have a good degree of power. Since a monarchy is effectively privatized, it should be reasonably efficient.
Even then, it could be used to screw over the common man, at least it would be for the benefit of the state rather than just bankers.
For a republic, I don't trust the state to keep people's gold safe.
Actually trusting anyone else to keep your gold safe is a pretty bad idea. Keeping your gold in the bank during renaissance Italy could end very badly for you. Song China (gold stored in state depositories) was a bit better I guess. Unless of course, you get a Mongol invasion.
Central bank is unconstitutional. See -> Article 1 Section 8. CONGRESS shall control the money supply. Not a central banking cabal full of traitors who profit off both sides of the wars and our government putting us further in debt.
It's beyond legal and illegal. Were the articles of confederation "legal"? No. There were some loudmouths and some public votes and some folks redrawing legal boundaries. It's above law. "Give me control of a nation's currency and I care not who makes its laws."
Just as food is a higher priority than friendships, economy is more substantial than polity. Part of the revolutionary war was over forcing colonists to use British pounds instead of colonial scrip. You don't read about that in the cross-tech media, which includes all major schoolbook publishers. About how that impoverished people and pissed them off. How important it was to general prosperity.
Point is, law isn't real. People and penalties are real. Pieces of paper can't defend our freedoms, or our rights. But together we can.
And apparently his rapping wasn't very good either. It was corny. Like he had some okay internal rhyme schemes but he really needed to work on his delivery for sure. That's probably the one and only thing the degenerate Hamilton play depicted historically accurately.
What is up with the Hamilton play? I’ve never seen it, and I know liberals lose their minds over it, which makes me never want to see it. Why did they use POC for every single role? What is their retarded reason for that?
You mean you wouldn't cast the entire offensive line of the Baltimore Ravens to play the founding fathers fam? Sounding a little discriminatory there.
The left has this retarded idea that if POC don't see POC in roles it's excluding. So even in a play full of figures the left brings up were White men who owned slaves 24/7 they still can't depict them all as White. This is a projection because liberals always have to feel like something is about them and they'll complain if they aren't pandered to. Like when they complain a show or sketch doesn't go woke enough or the like. There's plenty of POC that simply do not care and enjoy something without a show going on some racist assumption that they'd only like so-and-so because they are poc.
But I mean you can make a play however you want, but lmao it is funny how hard they try. It's like a ghetto alternate universe America and a Boondocks episode where Charlie Murphy is voicing Thomas Jefferson or some shit. There's comedic value to that alone tbh but it would be funnier if they didn't take it so damn seriously.
Thank you for this response. I have been curious about this play for ages but never had the stomach to watch it because I don’t support the bastardization of our history. This is a perfect summary.
I know people who love musicals and I know people who love cringey left wing propaganda. It’s the latter group who loved Hamilton.
I guarantee at least half the people who saw it thought it was dumb. But if you ask them if they liked it their brain will interpret it as “are you racist?” and therefore the only response they can give is to enthusiastically express support for it
There are honestly some good moments in Hamilton. To the point where it wouldn’t be woke enough and NEVER would have happened today. Listen to The Room Where it Happens. It’s so apropos to what we are dealing with in this election. But no it’s not completely historically accurate and the POC thing is Ok but they exclude whites. Which is just weird.
Disclaimer: I've only seen the version on Disney+, and the following is my opinion.
I agree with NotakTheWiser. It's extremely overrated, not to mention that it went to extremes to "colorize" and "re-culturize" the story of the Founding. Beyond that, it's extremely forgettable as far as a musical/play goes.
Ironically, the greatest character (by far) was a white guy: King George. My next favorite was George Washington... because it's George Washington (I'm so glad they didn't destroy his character).
Jefferson had swag (the real Jefferson deserves the accolades, for sure), and it makes you root for him against Hamilton at every point... then again, Hamilton was presented just so terribly that you'd be rooting for Joe Biden over him (more on that later). The problem I had with Jefferson is that he may have had too much swag (or at least the type that makes him seem too childish and immature for such an enlightened man). Also, the same actor play a Frenchmen earlier in the play... which was played as a cartoonish comedic role... which was appropriate for a Frenchman, but not for an American Founding Father.
Now, back to Alexander Hamilton... his character was absolutely atrocious! I'm not a fan of the real Hamilton, so this play/portrayal didn't improve my liking of him any. Let's just say that Hamilton is a prime example of how being the writer/producer comes with benefits. Lin-Manuel Miranda is absolutely terrible. He can't sing, he can't act, and he can't write music worth a dime. For the whole play, I was scratching my head how he was even on the stage, little on the titular character... then, I found out he was the boss man. Let's just say this... whatever awards he got for Hamilton, he deserved them about as much as Obama deserved the Nobel prize.
As, for the music, there were only one or two songs that are even pleasant or get stuck in your head (one being King George's theme). The rest were humdrum or worse (I am NOT a fan of rap/hip-hop). I honestly don't remember Hamilton actually singing a single note. I don't even know what he does... call it rap or whatever, but it's like he just speaks his lines in rhythm with music... it's bad. I can easily say that the two women outclass everyone vocally.
Am I glad I watched it? I am glad that I saw it so I know what it is. If you have Disney+ already, and can watch it with no further cost, I'd recommend watching it also when you have nothing better to do. You may get a kick out of King George or so (and yes, I would watch a full musical of just him). But if you're wanting to watch a musical, and you're in a patriotic mood, I'd go with 1776 instead. It may be older and stuffy, but there are times where you can really feel the weight of the decisions and consequences the Founders were dealing with. At least it was a celebration of America and Liberty.
I enjoyed it overall - I don’t like the Angelica character and I agree with your assess of Jefferson. But you’re spot on with LMM. The songs are catchy, but he’s the weak link. Would have loved to see a different actor as Hamilton. Jonathan Groff is the best person on stage and I love his song, it’s SO good. “I will kill your friends and family, to remind you of my love” 😂 I also like Leslie Odom Jr a lot and I listen to “The room where it happens” all the time at home.
Ok, you may have just convinced me to give it a watch. Haha. I’m ashamed to admit that we still are paying for Disney+, so might as well watch it.
Great review, btw. It’s almost comical how different your opinion is than liberal cucks I’ve heard discuss it, who go on and on about how they can’t stop listening to the soundtrack and how aMaZiNg Lin Manuel is.
God has given the US leaders on all sides of the loose-strict spectrum. Jefferson gave us Liberty and Hamilton made it pay so we still have it. You need both, and they need to oppose each other dynamically, because they both contain Truth.
That is only partially correct. He was at the constitutional convention and certainly opposed the proposal where state legislature would decide the president, but you can thank George Mason IIRC for the electoral college. Hamilton wasn’t a bad dude, but he was a big govt guy through and through
Hamilton wanted a king. But he did help write the Federalist Papers. And he was a brilliant man. He was very opposed to slavery, and George Washington’s BFF.
Oddly enough John Jay who didn’t sign the deceleration of independence wrote most of them. But Jay is often a forgotten forefather.
George Mason is the reason for the bill of rights. Constitution didn’t have a bill of rights originally. Mason demanded it.
James Madison was the Virginia plan.
Gouverneur Morris coined the term We The People. Also died preforming surgery on his penis with a whale bone.
Yes. You need one of those. Perhaps, only one. But he made it pay. Nobody else had, until then. There were plenty of failed rebellions before our successful one. Nobody remembers them. Peasant uprisings, that sort of thing. It has to pay or it doesn't last.
At least he was smart, and wanted this country to survive and thrive. I am not sure that kind of brains, and purity of intention is around now. Maybe it is. I can't see into all hearts. But Hamilton is a legitimate Founding Father.
Team Jefferson! Even if he died dirt poor the man has principles and balls something all these pussies of today lack. To succeed in politics you have to be an scumbag Hamilton flourished in politics that all you have to know about him.
I honor Jefferson's dying broke. But everybody isn't Jefferson and everybody can't die broke. His glorious estate, Monticello, was almost sold off for scrap, but was rescued by a patriotic family, the Levys, who had the means to preserve it for posterity, thank God.
I'd say '32 but damn it didn't take long to form a banking mafia through the federal reverse, did it? And that's how fast we can turn the country around, using an independent currency.
No comparison. Nobody alive today considers himself on the level of the Founding Fathers. No one with sense. Well, we all know who is the one exception to that. Just one.
That's overdoing it. He made significant contributions, but we should recognize the problem with central banks in the US. Would we have gotten this far without him? Obviously we can't know. The problems he introduced need to be understood. Apparently the anti-federalist papers address this, in contrast to the federalist papers he helped to write.
I don't agree with Hamilton's perspective, but he was the moving force that replaced the Articles of Confederation. I actually like the Articles of Confederation being far more limiting, but I don't believe it would have been as resilient for 200+ years. Imagine how many Democrats would lose their minds if each state got equal power regardless of population. I think we would have never achieved Manifest Destiny amongst 50 states.
I also credit Hamilton with recognizing the need for competing branches & a Senate.
A well informed citizenry. Man, that reminds me of the DNC wiki leaks where they talk about removing civics and using strategic messaging to create an uninformed populace.
This was why taking over the education system was key for step one. We are way past that. Controlling money is key as well, 1919 banking act.
Gold standard removed under Nixon,did they set Nixon up and force him to pass the fist currency.
Governments and mafias are in the same line of work. The current system is a fusion of the post-Capone Syndicate mafia, the robber barons, and the original republic. This is only a couple generations later.
"It's an emergency!" "There's a war on!" All bullshit excuses to strip rights. But the issue is bigger than that, and smaller. Have you ever met your so-called representatives? Seriously. Do you not know what they're up to? Who they are? What they want? Does that seem right to you?
Yeah never put it past evil to use a tool to cause harm.. aka nuclear power. Well educated people are the best tool for freedom, but controlling that education allows false information to be taught. North Korea teaches about the USA, don't think they are teaching about freedom. Double edge sword when educating young people...
There is no substitute for honor, intellectual honor. If a school taught true history, real skills, and above all the ability to think, it is a good school. That HAS happened in public schools.
That people buy houses "for a good school district" is tragic, because every district should be a good district!
Removing the gold standard was a good thing. The Bretton-Woods system of currency exchange was not by any means efficient or market driven. Floating currencies are much better and allow for more economic growth.
Ya and floating currencies allow for economic growth in a much more natural manner. The gold standard actually put a massive artificial range on that. Currencies also follow supply and demand mostly based on economic health. Gold is a terrible measure of that
Growth comes from a lot more than deficient spending. Companies absolutely need credit to grow. The creates stability and on extreme circumstances liquidity. Credit liquidity is the basis of any modern economy. When it locks up you have another Great Depression on your hands. But yes let’s go against all the actual data and move back to an outdated and poor standard for our economy because as far as you can tell it’s good...
It's not so much going against the data, moreso spurning the thing the data points to. Infinite imaginary credit allowing unrestricted spending (=unrestricted taxation), near-total subjugation to lenders and enormous dependence on international markets is not a desirable thing to me. Business can grow fine with real credit as long as the rest of our policies are actually aiming for that.
Plus we had a gold standard for the rest of our history, the Great Depression only happened after geniuses got it in their heads one decade that they should start running their entire lives on credit and speculation.
Allows for the legalization of theft via inflation. The dollar has lost 95% of its value since 1913. The central banks control the money supply, can’t be fully audited, have the IRS as their private gestapo extortion arm, and profit off our government’s debt/wars.
Gold standard is the way. It can be expanded slowly as the market grows but it can’t be manipulated easily unlike fiat currencies. The system we have now makes us serfs. We’re little income tax slaves while the central banks send billions of $ overseas and can’t be FULLY audited. Bring back gold. #ThouShallNotSteal
inflation happens either way as it shows even from 1913. Gold standard or not it’s a natural economic phenomenon not theft lol. Without inflation economies die.
What you talk about, “slowly” exapnding the market causes huge issues. The biggest being artificial limit on growth. It’s absolutely more manipulated that floating currencies. That doesn’t even begin to encompass the fact that gold is a terrible measure for economic health, something exchange rates encompass they’d be a proxy for gold market if that’s all it was. Again a mispecification for economic health. Don’t get me wrong metrics like purchasing power parity which account for 93 percent of the variance in exchange rates aren’t better but they are light years ahead of gold. What year do you think it is. 1650?
If you have actual economic reasons not vague statements please comment back if not and you just think monetary theory is some weird conspiracy then we go nothin to talk about with talking past each other
If artificial limits in growth with gold are what you’re worried about, consider that if economy is growing at a rate faster than the gold supply, then what happens to the demand of gold?
Increases.
What happens when demand increases?
It becomes more valuable and profitable.
If business is booming what then happens? More competition. More gold miners. More gold. Then economic expansion can reach an equilibrium again with the gold supply.
Fiscal discipline and sound money over fiat money. Inflation is theft. Income tax is theft. The Fed, IRS, and 16th are inherently un-American.
Can’t believe you’re defending inflation caused by an unconstitutional central communist bank. The levels of inflation the Fed creates is not natural. It’s corrupt. The only reason america hasn’t seen borderline hyperinflation is because of Bretton woods. We basically export our inflation (THEFT) to other countries.
What monetary solutions do you have to offer other than defending the 5th plank of the communist manifesto’s central bank?
I support article 1 section 8 of the US constitution.
Wait are you actually arguing we should have NO inflation? If so I guess we’re done. There’s not convincing someone this stupid of anything. Take a look at what happens to economies without inflation the crumble, and for good reason.
Maybe go actually study a topic before you spout bullshit economics as bad as AOC’s because you FEEEELLLL you’re right. I’ll continue to actually work in trading and understand the topic at hand.
I’m arguing against the specific form of inflation created by an unconstitutional central bank that cannot be fully audited and prints unconstitutional fiat money at-will in unconstitutional fashion.
Aside from Bretton-Woods, why do you say removing the gold standard was a good thing? This is a big topic, that deserves its own post. It necessarily includes the petro dollar, which is disintegrating.
This is a really important discussion; if we're able to preserve the sovereignty of the US, we'll need to tackle this. If you do decide to start a post, please DM me so I don't miss it
Overall the gold standard is a terrible measure of economic health. There are so many facets to the economy that tying the measure of economies on one rare earth metal is not only inefficient but misleading. It might sound weird but currencies really are a measure of economic health. This is reflected in their exchange rates. Without them being able to float those rates are artificially created outside of supply and demand.
For example gold doesn’t account for factors like purchasing power parity, gdp, and the handful of factors which determine a currencies strength. I’m not a huge expert on forex since I work on volatility and fixed income derivatives, but I can think of a way that you can represent relative strength between economies with the gold standard. Also I can’t think of the benefits. All economic factors we see now such as Inflation still happen anyway
The representation of relative strength between economies is fairly straightforward: the price of gold.
When the USD was based on gold, an ounce remained the same price ($30-ish) for a long time. I don't know if you lived through the inflation of the 70's, but the quality of everything made in the US declined. Even the quality of recordings in the music industry declined. This inflation hadn't occurred until we got off the gold standard.
I'm not defending a gold standard, neither am I saying that fiat currency is necessarily bad. It has worked at times. But we can't fix this election and restore a Constitutional government without addressing this issue, since it revolves around the creation and control of our currency. I don't know the best solution. Just wondering if you have ideas.
I have seen some people say that North Dakota has this figured out. I don't know the first thing about that.
It’s called Western Civilization and everyone else would still be slaves and warlords in mudhuts if not for the glorious inventions, wisdom and discovery of our noble ancestors.
One of my favorite ways to fuck wiht lefties is to say that, then when they ree about it I show them pictures of people living in literal mud huts in Haiti and Africa right now, today, in 2020.
That’s where almost a century of boomer tier fudds and being the driving force of gun rights and no internet to allow you to search for antigun laws will get you.
I disagree. Most countries nowadays are sort of America like. Without Jefferson, every country would still be like the British Empire. Monarchies or Theocracies in every country. No democracy, capitalism, and the entire world would probably have communism.
Agree. Jefferson enlightened the entire world. It took a while, but yes.
Yes, yes. Let Jefferson be revered everywhere. I wish our freedom of speech and self-defense were more common; they are not, alas. Even in countries with large libraries and nice street lights and parks. You have seen that recently, oh boy. Oh yes.
But Hamilton must not be forgotten. Without him, we might not know Jefferson's name today!
Too much emphasis on him, as though he acted alone. Read the autobiography of Ben Franklin; nobody did more than him. George Washington was the natural leader; neither of these were less based than TJ. Many, many great men pledged their lives, honor and fortune to establish this Nation that has become the whipping boy of the left.
Had there been no TJ, would they have taken up the slack? What would be different? We have no way of knowing. Perhaps his biggest contribution came while he worked abroad. After opining that "the Musselman" (Muslim) had a part here, he gained first hand experience with their bs. Instead of going along with their ransom, he sold the doctrine of FAFO, which took many years. Had he not been there, would someone else have done it? Again, we'll never know.
He made great contributions, but was one among many.
Imagine living your life thinking what he is saying is bullshit. That may very well be half the country right now (although Biden's real numbers are probably more like 50-60M). I can't believe we are at this stage.
It's just normal tribalism. Me, good, me want, you give, you bring tea, you shut up.
Normal, normal, awful. Very, very old. Old as mankind. NOT special or progressive. Mere imperialism, just reversed.
Average liberal compares the U.S to some utopian universe where everything is perfect. They think this is attainable within years and the only thing obstructing them is white people and capitalism. Do they look at China and Venezuela and think "Man I wish I lived there?" The hell is wrong with these people. The U.S has flaws like literally everything on the planet, but it's the best we got. And they are willing to throw it away on the belief that people like Dorsey, Gates, Zuck, and Klaus will save them all.
Jefferson was out of the Country when the Declaration of independence was written. Although, all the northern signers of the Constitution wanted slavery abolished, and thought they had accomplished that in 20 years, as a compromise with the South in order to have as many men as possible to fight King George.
Hide a knife behind a smile (笑里藏刀 xiào lǐ cáng dāo)
--Build relationships with their officials and high-ranked officers, then secretly gain their loyalty through any means necessary so that when the time comes, they will betray your enemy.
Loot a burning house (趁火打劫 chèn huǒ dǎ jié)
--Spread rumours throughout their ranks and kingdom, spread disease, disrupt their supplies causing famine and encourage waves of crime.
--As they draw resources to focus on putting out the flames, attack without mercy.
The Chinese have executed these ruses patiently, but they are not done yet. We are now trying to put out the flames.
I've always liked the quote "A true patriot will defend his country from its government". You can be a Patriot, and be critical of the government. I'm an advocate of small government, but I still love my country!
You can be a Patriot, and be critical of the government.
I don't see any other way of being a patriot really.
For me, one of the true genius of the Founding Fathers was to realize that government is a necessary evil and thus must be kept to a minimum set of ordinances and duties.
Without it, you have anarchy. Too much of it, you have tyranny.
Nowhere else in the world a country has been founded under such clear interpretation.
Exactly, it's why I call myself a Minarchist. My desire is for an state with minimum government, a government that would exist to provide defense for your natural rights (i.e. courts), defense of the nation (strong borders, military), and defense of the free market (ensuring anti-trust laws, fair, and equitable trade deals).
Moving towards anything else is a move towards ideologies that are fundamentally anti-American, like Communism, and Fascism. Less Government, more Capitalism should be the way forward.
Yup! The bit about government being evil but a necessary evil is the basis of "American exceptionalism," which refers to the principles in our founding documents.
There's a minimum IQ requirement and a minimum cultural requirement for a minarchist society. The commitment to hash out disagreements and come to terms using words.
The founders rejected the notion of special privileges. No immunity for government agents. No titles of nobility. No law degrees for lawyers or judges. No exemptions from the law for anyone for any reason of status or position.
I disagree with the second one on the right. If you read that one alone you might think it's ok for the government to stymie your other rights in the interest of protecting your life. That should only happen in EXTREME circumstances. The chief purpose is to protect liberty, which includes life. But liberty is supreme.
“Rebellion to tyranny is obedience to God” technically isn’t his quote, but it was proposed to be on the seal of the United States of America, rejected, and then adopted as his own seal.
"When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty” wasn’t said by him, but he expressed similar sentiments.
“Free men do not ask permission to bear arms” is a modification of his proposed wording for an amendment to the constitution of Virginia.
Can’t find anything about the corruption of a Republic one.
“The issue today is the same as it has been throughout all history, whether man shall be allowed to govern himself or be ruled by a small elite” is apparently an interpretation of a letter Jefferson sent.
“Equal rights for all, special privileges to none” may have been, no one seems to be 100% sure.
The others are not his, so we’re looking at 2/11 being questionable, 3/11 being paraphrases, and 1/11 being not a quote of his but a quote he adopted, 5/11 not being related to him.
Mask-wearing Covid fags will latch onto that one. Tommy is SO wrong on that...govt’s chief purpose is NOT TO PROTECT LIFE. How the fuck did he get that so wrong. Wtf??
Thomas Jefferson was the man. Alexander Hamilton was a punk. So was Aaron Burr and John C Calhoun. Andrew Jackson a Democrat is actually my favorite President of all time. I love history, wish it was taught better at the university level instead of the 1619 project type indoctrination they're shoving down peoples throats.
Over half of these are the fake "Never trust anything you read on the Internet -Abraham Lincoln" meme quotes pedes fall for. I have no idea why they came into existence but apparently did in early 2000s. Disinformation? Slight ignorance? No idea.
If you go find the actual source that these shorter quotes are based off of, typically they are much lengthier in Old English writing which is harder to understand. Some also tend to not be so poignant in their defense for whatever subject the short quote's author is trying to convey it as - however reading the real Founding Father's letters to each other, declarations, etc is just as eye opening and true to liberty as these quotes more or less mistakenly are.
I like that explanation. They're suitable paraphrases and TL;Dr, but not properly attributed. Jefferson should not become a substitute for ALL our founding Fathers.
Incidentally, all Congressional records are kept in the law library in every County seat. By law. If that changes? Bad juju. You can get really familiar with all these guys by reading that.
Yup, I just hate when I see these shared and leftoids are all over them saying "ThEy NevER SaiD THAT". Well, they did and didn't actually, its just incredibly paraphrased to the spirit of the original.
It would be so much better for that to develop into a conversation of what they actually said, realizing that these are all right on the money but penned by 60-ish different greats. Not counting all the ones who didn't survive the war.
That they're never open to this natural progression tells us volumes about how to handle the current conflict.
Add this to the DNC Wikileaks about they want to keep us uninformed and compliant. That's all we need for a response to masks or "there is no proof of election fraud."
"A well informed citizenry is the best defense against tyranny."
This explains why the DNC want an "unaware and compliant citizenry" as revealed in the Podesta emails. Tyrants can't have citizens being well informed.
I know we all want President Trump to become General Trump for when the last choice becomes the only choice.
I do not think he will be our General for this we must find a new General for this process if it becomes the only option.
A goal for the end of war becomes option, my iron glad voting plan is highly recommended and a demand for an election using that system. See my post history.
Restoring our respresentstion in the house, by repealing the reapportionment act of 1929 would be another demand. The real reason for the census.
Trump would be the negotiater for peace but to think he would be our General is misleading.
A plan for what peace would be after war if needed not just a playing card deck for the battle...
I agree DJT isn't going to give any "signal," as so many say they're waiting for. I don't think anything will be long enough to need a General. Our military will quell it after one night.
The US Constitution is restored to the highest law of the land, that's the big thing. How to replace the Fed is honestly the biggest issue after that.
I'm not sure which founding father is better. Jefferson or Washington. Jefferson seems like the most intelligent of all of them. Washington was rich.. still risked his life to tell the British to fuck off.. was asked if he wanted to be King and turned them down like a complete fucking gangster. It's hard imo to decide which of these 2 were the best in the era.
Twitter would ban him today. Makes you think.
So much ahead of his time!
Now how to make below into constitution:
"No Representation Without Taxation"
"Voter Fraud Is Treason"
I dont necessarily think he was ahead of his time. I think this is just a battle that his been fought for hundreds (thousands?) of years.
...this one always hits my emotions hard. We've let too many freedoms slip.
"When tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty."
This one got me. Shit, I don't want to rebel. I have a comfortable life and a family. Professional goals, hopes and dreams like everyone else.
But if I stand by and let tyranny reign while I have the capacity to fight it, will my children enjoy the same comforts we do?
I'm sure the founding fathers didn't want to have to rebel either. But they did.
It's our duty now.
The answer is no, your children will not.
I been thinking on those lines too, finally got something, close to retirement but how can we live with ourselves if we don’t stand up. We are all going to die someday and we will have to face all those who went before us, who never had what we had, paid the full price for what we enjoyed. Freedom is not free
Like Hitler said (Americans will never be patriots again after materialism takes them.)
The common cabbage farmer from the late 1700's believed he had a comfortable life.
Until he didn't.
Yup
Sorry, but immigration to a developing nation (the US in this case) from England is not the same as third worl immigration to the US today. Fuck off
At least make an effort. This is just lazy.
So nice of you to take a break from rewatching Cuties to join us.
Shill mcshillerson there lmao
Goddamn it’s getting glowie in here.
"The issue today is the same as it has been throughout all history...
That nobody can explain how the Three Seashells work?
Considering how Covid-1984 has turned our entire world into Demolition Man...
some might even say it is a condition of humanity
So true that this has all happened before. I remember reading about many similar political and societal troubles back in Roman times. Also recall reading on .win about Lincoln dealing with large scale vote fraud.
& he was very knowledgeable of history...
Now you can vote by scrawling the name of the democrat candidate onto a greasy Arby’s wrapper and dropping it off at your local polling station.
The 4 for 5 deal was a solid Dem play for years.
Feels like an Arby’s night
It's in there already. The Constitution says it guarantees to each State a republican form of government. That means it guarantees both those things that you mention.
He was very much a man of his time. He is a product of the enlightenment age. Men who suffered the real consequences of tyranny and developed practical political solutions to safeguard us from it. If we lose this wisdom, our grandchildren will relearn it the hard way.
Our grandchildren won't learn anything but how to be serfs if we fail to do what's necessary.
Other great quotes show that Thomas Jefferson was very pro-White and would be outraged at the anti-White racism we see today.
First, Jefferson openly praised the physical traits of Whites. He wrote of their “flowing hair” and their “more elegant symmetry of form,” but emphasized the importance of color itself:
TJ did not think Blacks were equal to Whites, noting that “in general, their existence appears to participate more of sensation than reflection.” He hoped slavery would be abolished some day, but stipulated that:
Jefferson also expected whites eventually to displace all of the Indians of the New World. The United States, he wrote, was to be
and the hemisphere was to be entirely European:
Bro wrote the Declaration of Independence at age 33. I am going to be 33 in a month. Insane to me that someone my age did that.
Thomas Jefferson also spoke classical Greek, Latin, and French. I mean, his gamerscore was shit, but I guess we all have our strengths.
Been to his house? Seen his architectural plans for William and Mary College? I have. Fricking genius.
No, but it's on my bucket list. I went to DC for a week of museum crawling, but didn't make it to Jefferson's home. He's been my hero since I was a young boy. I disagree with him with regard to religion (he was a Deist, and I am a Christian), but he is undeniably one of the most inspiring, capable, talented, dedicated men to ever walk the face of the earth.
Totally agree. It's impossible to imagine this country without him. I put Franklin up there as well. Both deists. It was Franklin who scratched out "property" and replaced it with "happiness".
Most of 'em..not for the better
Bread and circuses keep the people happy.
Bruh what, I always picture them as 50-60 year olds when thinking of this lol
You’re picturing him as President.
TJ's father died when he was young, he was appenticed to a lawyer and spent his teen years studying and working without pay. He also studied architecture and married, built his home and laid out the best gardens in VA, buried his wife, raised 3 daughters without remarrying, founded and built the University of VA, was the leading expert on North American flora and fauna, launched studies into North American Indian cultures in order to learn from them, wrote and sponsored a bill outlawing slavery in the VA legislature, (it didnt pass), founded the library of Congress with his own books, and many other remarkable things; but one thing he never did was father children with a slave woman. An entirely worthy man we can all be proud of.
Do you even quadratic bro?
Y = MX + B (If B = Bitch)
Bring it
as digital is the main method of warfare until 4th box actually opens, we are fighting and holding our ground pretty well against the well funded media.
Cool story, but isn't true.
My money would still be on Jefferson winning that battle, even though he’s dead.
“The price of liberty is eternal vigilance” - attributed to Jefferson
He'll tell her to go get him some lager like a good wench
I can see AOC being a bartender back then
"By God, Jefferson - for that barkeep resembles a donkey!"
"That's ol' crazy eyes Johnson.. stay away"
"Thomas, hast thou never heard to never put thine cock in crazy?"
This quote certainly didn’t come from Ben Franklin. Man stucketh his dick in anything that moved
Maybe. But he was wealthy and influential. Not much different now.
His statues will be the first ones to come down
Well, she's late to the "party". Portland, Oregon and Topeka, Kansas say Privyet, comrade!
You're a little late for that?
His corpse?
@jack would have woken up one morning to Jefferson hanging him off his balcony by his beard.
would he use twitter?
Well, they're a mostly foreign-owned company...makes sense...
In a sea of Hamiltons, be a Jefferson.
Jefferson was indispensable. But Hamilton was indispensable too.
They were opposites, Jefferson the idealist, and Hamilton the realist, who got it all paid for, so we weren't shirtless in the street, laughed at as silly hippies, whose failed "republic" showed that liberty could never last, because it didn't pay. Men needed a king and inherited, severe, feudal authority to make them do a full day's work, that would have shown. Hamilton saved us from that.
It had to pay.
Jefferson died broke buying books.
Hamilton made our country survive.
What has no sound financial foundation does not last. Hamilton is on the ten dollar bill for good reason. He made it pay. Somebody had to. We owe it all to him.
Both men were geniuses and both men were necessary. It was that kind of generation. Amazing people.
"Jefferson and Aaron Burr tied for the presidency in the electoral college, and Hamilton helped to defeat Burr, whom he found unprincipled, and to elect Jefferson despite philosophical differences."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Hamilton
"Hamilton is generally regarded as an astute and intellectually brilliant politician and financier, if often impetuous. His ideas are credited with laying the foundation for American government and finance. "
Hamilton wanted a central bank. He was no friend of liberty.
Hamilton: wanted bank, lost a duel
Jackson: hated bank, won an uncountable number of duels
Can we bring back dueling? Please?
Andrew Jackson: IT’S TIME TO D-D-D-D-DUEL!
Hamilton also pushed hard for us to have a monarchy rather than, yknow, freedom. Sold us out to the Rothschilds as well. Robert Morris was the primary financier of the revolution, not Hamilton's central bank.
Burr also made Hamilton his bitch. Permanently.
I’d rather have a monarchy than whatever the fuck we have today... this political theater put on by elites in two different costumes who pretend to be trapped in gridlock so nothing ever gets done. They spend all day telling us to donate to them and attack the other side. Then after the sun goes down they meet the elites from the other side for martinis
Imagine if trump were a monarch. We’d be in pretty damn good shape right now. “But what if a bad person became the monarch”. That’s where the 2A comes in
Alexander Hamilton sucks, to put it succinctly. Thomas Jefferson is a national treasure!
“Unjust weight and measures are an abomination to God!”
Central banking promotes the distortion of the measure of money through inflation and bail outs for bankers
Central banking doesn't do that, fiat currency does that. A central bank would work fine if the gold standard was still in effect.
EDIT: You people really need to get a grip on the distinctions between banks, lenders, and minters. The entire problem is that one entity does all of that instead of it being three separate entities.
No, because a central bank eliminates free-market competition. What happens if the central bank runs out of gold? It's a monopoly fully in control of your finances.
Before you had multiple independent banks, each issuing their own banknotes.
You're not spending gold, you're keeping the gold under lock and key. That's the entire point of representational currency. The total currency represents the total gold holdings. If a dollar represents 1/1000th of an ounce of gold, then new dollars can't represent more or less than that and you prevent inflation. The only way inflation occurs is through an official revaluation, which would quite literally cause a revolt. But since fiat currency just slowly devalues over time, people don't notice it because it's boiled frog syndrome.
A central bank tied to a gold standard with no control over the currency supply would simply be what the name states, a Federal Reserve. A place where the object of value representing the money supply is stored and where people can put their own currency/gold for safekeeping.
You have to separate the concepts of a bank, a mint, and a moneylender. There are three different things that really shouldn't have anything to do with each other because that's how all this shit turns into the mess it is today.
Do you really think we would have seen the 2008 crash if banks were only allowed to lend money from their own assets and not lend from assets you store with them? Banks lend your money to other people, then give you someone else's money when you tell them you want yours back. That's not the function of a bank, that's a shell game. A bank's business model should be limited to holding things securely and charging their customers for that security. Making a profit by lending that money out to other people is outright ridiculous and is frankly theft when you think about it, but we just think it's a perfectly normal business practice.
If a central bank existed to fulfill the need for secure holdings and only that function, it wouldn't be a problem at all. That's an ideal world that doesn't exist, unfortunately, but I'm not going to denigrate Hamilton for thinking it was a good idea. All of the founders were idealists. If they weren't, they would have never been able to even envision the concept of a free people.
You're not describing what Hamilton wanted, nor the reality of what central banks are. You're talking about something you'd like, I might agree, and it might work.
It's never been the reality though.
Neither have you touched upon the nature of the problem: how is money created under our system that's existed since 1913? This is VITALLY important, because it crashing down all around us is what this year has been, and is at least as important as the election fraud that correctly has our attention.
This was an interesting read for me. Though I still think having more than one bank is a good idea. In what way would a central bank with these limited powers/function be better than an array of unrelated banks with the same powers/functions? Is the monopolistic aspect of a central bank not exactly what allows it to spin off into all these other behaviors? Wouldn’t a bank and currency abiding by a gold standard be more desirable than one that doesn’t?
Yes. because the moment moment banks went fractionally , there was no turning back. And not amount of LAWS will ever change that. Proof stands exactly the 2008 crash. More precisely the BAILOUTS and all the reactions to it.
I think a central bank would be viable for a monarchy, where the king/emperor is meant to have a good degree of power. Since a monarchy is effectively privatized, it should be reasonably efficient.
Even then, it could be used to screw over the common man, at least it would be for the benefit of the state rather than just bankers.
For a republic, I don't trust the state to keep people's gold safe.
Actually trusting anyone else to keep your gold safe is a pretty bad idea. Keeping your gold in the bank during renaissance Italy could end very badly for you. Song China (gold stored in state depositories) was a bit better I guess. Unless of course, you get a Mongol invasion.
Central bank is unconstitutional. See -> Article 1 Section 8. CONGRESS shall control the money supply. Not a central banking cabal full of traitors who profit off both sides of the wars and our government putting us further in debt.
Fuck the Fed reserve bank cartel. It is asshoe
It was illegal in every way from day 1.
It's beyond legal and illegal. Were the articles of confederation "legal"? No. There were some loudmouths and some public votes and some folks redrawing legal boundaries. It's above law. "Give me control of a nation's currency and I care not who makes its laws."
Just as food is a higher priority than friendships, economy is more substantial than polity. Part of the revolutionary war was over forcing colonists to use British pounds instead of colonial scrip. You don't read about that in the cross-tech media, which includes all major schoolbook publishers. About how that impoverished people and pissed them off. How important it was to general prosperity.
Point is, law isn't real. People and penalties are real. Pieces of paper can't defend our freedoms, or our rights. But together we can.
Central Bank isn't uncosntitutional, but the Federal Reserve as it exists definitely is.
A Central Bank, serving only a s a bank, wouldn't have control of the money supply, they would simply be a repository.
No ... it did not work great.
Would. I said would, and if. Neither of those things are true, so what actually happened isn't what I'm talking about, is it?
Reading comprehension, man.
WE had a central BANK when THE GOLD STANDARD WAS STILL IN EFFECT. WE DROPPED IT. BECAUSE WE WERE GOING BUST.
IMBECILE.
It immediately turned us all into debt slaves, in 1913. According to plan.
well being a gold slave makes 0 difference.
And apparently his rapping wasn't very good either. It was corny. Like he had some okay internal rhyme schemes but he really needed to work on his delivery for sure. That's probably the one and only thing the degenerate Hamilton play depicted historically accurately.
What is up with the Hamilton play? I’ve never seen it, and I know liberals lose their minds over it, which makes me never want to see it. Why did they use POC for every single role? What is their retarded reason for that?
Because White People in Western Culture are the new 1933 Jews of Germany.
True, true. Dumb question.
No, not dumb. Scary.
But I mean you can make a play however you want, but lmao it is funny how hard they try. It's like a ghetto alternate universe America and a Boondocks episode where Charlie Murphy is voicing Thomas Jefferson or some shit. There's comedic value to that alone tbh but it would be funnier if they didn't take it so damn seriously.
Thank you for this response. I have been curious about this play for ages but never had the stomach to watch it because I don’t support the bastardization of our history. This is a perfect summary.
I know people who love musicals and I know people who love cringey left wing propaganda. It’s the latter group who loved Hamilton.
I guarantee at least half the people who saw it thought it was dumb. But if you ask them if they liked it their brain will interpret it as “are you racist?” and therefore the only response they can give is to enthusiastically express support for it
There are honestly some good moments in Hamilton. To the point where it wouldn’t be woke enough and NEVER would have happened today. Listen to The Room Where it Happens. It’s so apropos to what we are dealing with in this election. But no it’s not completely historically accurate and the POC thing is Ok but they exclude whites. Which is just weird.
So it's in blackface. The new minstrel theater.
I'm kinda bummed on some level that covid wasn't actually anything serious because it would take out a lot of idiots
Disclaimer: I've only seen the version on Disney+, and the following is my opinion.
I agree with NotakTheWiser. It's extremely overrated, not to mention that it went to extremes to "colorize" and "re-culturize" the story of the Founding. Beyond that, it's extremely forgettable as far as a musical/play goes.
Ironically, the greatest character (by far) was a white guy: King George. My next favorite was George Washington... because it's George Washington (I'm so glad they didn't destroy his character).
Jefferson had swag (the real Jefferson deserves the accolades, for sure), and it makes you root for him against Hamilton at every point... then again, Hamilton was presented just so terribly that you'd be rooting for Joe Biden over him (more on that later). The problem I had with Jefferson is that he may have had too much swag (or at least the type that makes him seem too childish and immature for such an enlightened man). Also, the same actor play a Frenchmen earlier in the play... which was played as a cartoonish comedic role... which was appropriate for a Frenchman, but not for an American Founding Father.
Now, back to Alexander Hamilton... his character was absolutely atrocious! I'm not a fan of the real Hamilton, so this play/portrayal didn't improve my liking of him any. Let's just say that Hamilton is a prime example of how being the writer/producer comes with benefits. Lin-Manuel Miranda is absolutely terrible. He can't sing, he can't act, and he can't write music worth a dime. For the whole play, I was scratching my head how he was even on the stage, little on the titular character... then, I found out he was the boss man. Let's just say this... whatever awards he got for Hamilton, he deserved them about as much as Obama deserved the Nobel prize.
As, for the music, there were only one or two songs that are even pleasant or get stuck in your head (one being King George's theme). The rest were humdrum or worse (I am NOT a fan of rap/hip-hop). I honestly don't remember Hamilton actually singing a single note. I don't even know what he does... call it rap or whatever, but it's like he just speaks his lines in rhythm with music... it's bad. I can easily say that the two women outclass everyone vocally.
Am I glad I watched it? I am glad that I saw it so I know what it is. If you have Disney+ already, and can watch it with no further cost, I'd recommend watching it also when you have nothing better to do. You may get a kick out of King George or so (and yes, I would watch a full musical of just him). But if you're wanting to watch a musical, and you're in a patriotic mood, I'd go with 1776 instead. It may be older and stuffy, but there are times where you can really feel the weight of the decisions and consequences the Founders were dealing with. At least it was a celebration of America and Liberty.
I enjoyed it overall - I don’t like the Angelica character and I agree with your assess of Jefferson. But you’re spot on with LMM. The songs are catchy, but he’s the weak link. Would have loved to see a different actor as Hamilton. Jonathan Groff is the best person on stage and I love his song, it’s SO good. “I will kill your friends and family, to remind you of my love” 😂 I also like Leslie Odom Jr a lot and I listen to “The room where it happens” all the time at home.
Ok, you may have just convinced me to give it a watch. Haha. I’m ashamed to admit that we still are paying for Disney+, so might as well watch it.
Great review, btw. It’s almost comical how different your opinion is than liberal cucks I’ve heard discuss it, who go on and on about how they can’t stop listening to the soundtrack and how aMaZiNg Lin Manuel is.
Interesting. So the plot line wasn't bastardized?
God has given the US leaders on all sides of the loose-strict spectrum. Jefferson gave us Liberty and Hamilton made it pay so we still have it. You need both, and they need to oppose each other dynamically, because they both contain Truth.
If you don’t spend money recklessly, you have no problems.
Stop shilling for the federal reserve. You don’t create wealth by printing money or giving special privileges to bankers.
Ideally a banker is no different from a horse farrier or a seamstress. Someone who knows how to do something as a specialty and job.
Ideally.
There is no substitute for honor.
Wealth is created by labor upon the land. Representations (currency) is ok, but all abstractions are suspect.
Alexander Hamilton, history’s first big government neocon
Alexander Hamilton is the reason we have an electoral college. He also helped write the bill of rights
That is only partially correct. He was at the constitutional convention and certainly opposed the proposal where state legislature would decide the president, but you can thank George Mason IIRC for the electoral college. Hamilton wasn’t a bad dude, but he was a big govt guy through and through
Big government = bad. Ergo, Hamilton voiced problematic themes, despite being a major contributor.
Hamilton wanted a king. But he did help write the Federalist Papers. And he was a brilliant man. He was very opposed to slavery, and George Washington’s BFF.
Oddly enough John Jay who didn’t sign the deceleration of independence wrote most of them. But Jay is often a forgotten forefather.
George Mason is the reason for the bill of rights. Constitution didn’t have a bill of rights originally. Mason demanded it.
James Madison was the Virginia plan.
Gouverneur Morris coined the term We The People. Also died preforming surgery on his penis with a whale bone.
That last sentence lmaooo. Wtf
John Jay isn't forgotten by me!
Don't pull a Gouverneur Morris - sheesh. Somehow I missed that part in school
Yes. You need one of those. Perhaps, only one. But he made it pay. Nobody else had, until then. There were plenty of failed rebellions before our successful one. Nobody remembers them. Peasant uprisings, that sort of thing. It has to pay or it doesn't last.
Hamilton fought for a central bank controled by private interests,,, If he was alive today you would call him a RINO
At least he was smart, and wanted this country to survive and thrive. I am not sure that kind of brains, and purity of intention is around now. Maybe it is. I can't see into all hearts. But Hamilton is a legitimate Founding Father.
Team Jefferson! Even if he died dirt poor the man has principles and balls something all these pussies of today lack. To succeed in politics you have to be an scumbag Hamilton flourished in politics that all you have to know about him.
I honor Jefferson's dying broke. But everybody isn't Jefferson and everybody can't die broke. His glorious estate, Monticello, was almost sold off for scrap, but was rescued by a patriotic family, the Levys, who had the means to preserve it for posterity, thank God.
I don’t care how much personal debt Thomas Jefferson died with. The value he brought to our country is priceless.
Good politicians are the ones that don’t become richer leaving office then they did entering it...
Hamilton was a scumbag
Not entirely. He supported Jefferson for the presidency in spite of obvious huge differences of personality and opinion.
Hamilton probably was no easy man to know.
Exactly, he supported Jefferson because he hated Burr and saw him as an opportunist
He just knew which of them was presidential material.
That is an essential skill.
This country possesses it.
Since 1921 DJT is likely the only POTUS not picked for us by the CFR.
I'd say '32 but damn it didn't take long to form a banking mafia through the federal reverse, did it? And that's how fast we can turn the country around, using an independent currency.
So he was sort of like a John McCain was to Trump. Got it.
No comparison. Nobody alive today considers himself on the level of the Founding Fathers. No one with sense. Well, we all know who is the one exception to that. Just one.
Aaron Burr would like a word...
That's overdoing it. He made significant contributions, but we should recognize the problem with central banks in the US. Would we have gotten this far without him? Obviously we can't know. The problems he introduced need to be understood. Apparently the anti-federalist papers address this, in contrast to the federalist papers he helped to write.
Can you enlighten on why?
Hear, hear!
I will give Hamilton some credit for criticizing Adams on not enforcing the Alien and Sedition Acts
In a den of wolves, be a lion
I don't agree with Hamilton's perspective, but he was the moving force that replaced the Articles of Confederation. I actually like the Articles of Confederation being far more limiting, but I don't believe it would have been as resilient for 200+ years. Imagine how many Democrats would lose their minds if each state got equal power regardless of population. I think we would have never achieved Manifest Destiny amongst 50 states.
I also credit Hamilton with recognizing the need for competing branches & a Senate.
A well informed citizenry. Man, that reminds me of the DNC wiki leaks where they talk about removing civics and using strategic messaging to create an uninformed populace.
TYRANNY is upon US.
Uninformed and compliant citizenry. Don't forger the compliant part.
It is almost like they are cultivating sheeples to slaughter.
Almost? No, it's EXACTLY like that. Agenda 2030. Georgia guidestones.
Yes, the uninformed and compliant citizenry was in their stated goals. This must never be allowed to happen.
This was why taking over the education system was key for step one. We are way past that. Controlling money is key as well, 1919 banking act. Gold standard removed under Nixon,did they set Nixon up and force him to pass the fist currency.
Yeah early plan for removing the gold standard, keeping people poor and controlling the money ensures people are forced to rely on the government.
Likely because back in the depression era, very few people actually held onto physical gold. Likely only the wealthiest people held physical gold.
I had no idea how that even passed through. He effectively robbed gold from wealthy congressmen, governors, military leaders, etc.
Governments and mafias are in the same line of work. The current system is a fusion of the post-Capone Syndicate mafia, the robber barons, and the original republic. This is only a couple generations later.
"It's an emergency!" "There's a war on!" All bullshit excuses to strip rights. But the issue is bigger than that, and smaller. Have you ever met your so-called representatives? Seriously. Do you not know what they're up to? Who they are? What they want? Does that seem right to you?
There is no substitute for being well-meaning!
Universal education was both brutally practical, and a generous boon to the common man.
But you have to have people with principles and character running it.
Yeah never put it past evil to use a tool to cause harm.. aka nuclear power. Well educated people are the best tool for freedom, but controlling that education allows false information to be taught. North Korea teaches about the USA, don't think they are teaching about freedom. Double edge sword when educating young people...
Yes.
There is no substitute for honor, intellectual honor. If a school taught true history, real skills, and above all the ability to think, it is a good school. That HAS happened in public schools.
That people buy houses "for a good school district" is tragic, because every district should be a good district!
Worse is that people buy houses for a good school district and still get the crap today.
Every student should be a good student, but that's not realistic. Some people suck from an early age and never get over it.
We are gonna need more more pilots.
Removing the gold standard was a good thing. The Bretton-Woods system of currency exchange was not by any means efficient or market driven. Floating currencies are much better and allow for more economic growth.
Economic growth beyond the natural, healthy means of the native population is bad.
Ya and floating currencies allow for economic growth in a much more natural manner. The gold standard actually put a massive artificial range on that. Currencies also follow supply and demand mostly based on economic health. Gold is a terrible measure of that
Growth through deficit spending and stuff like that? What we've seen in the past ~100 years has been anything but natural as far as I can tell
Growth comes from a lot more than deficient spending. Companies absolutely need credit to grow. The creates stability and on extreme circumstances liquidity. Credit liquidity is the basis of any modern economy. When it locks up you have another Great Depression on your hands. But yes let’s go against all the actual data and move back to an outdated and poor standard for our economy because as far as you can tell it’s good...
It's not so much going against the data, moreso spurning the thing the data points to. Infinite imaginary credit allowing unrestricted spending (=unrestricted taxation), near-total subjugation to lenders and enormous dependence on international markets is not a desirable thing to me. Business can grow fine with real credit as long as the rest of our policies are actually aiming for that.
Plus we had a gold standard for the rest of our history, the Great Depression only happened after geniuses got it in their heads one decade that they should start running their entire lives on credit and speculation.
Allows for the legalization of theft via inflation. The dollar has lost 95% of its value since 1913. The central banks control the money supply, can’t be fully audited, have the IRS as their private gestapo extortion arm, and profit off our government’s debt/wars. Gold standard is the way. It can be expanded slowly as the market grows but it can’t be manipulated easily unlike fiat currencies. The system we have now makes us serfs. We’re little income tax slaves while the central banks send billions of $ overseas and can’t be FULLY audited. Bring back gold. #ThouShallNotSteal
inflation happens either way as it shows even from 1913. Gold standard or not it’s a natural economic phenomenon not theft lol. Without inflation economies die.
What you talk about, “slowly” exapnding the market causes huge issues. The biggest being artificial limit on growth. It’s absolutely more manipulated that floating currencies. That doesn’t even begin to encompass the fact that gold is a terrible measure for economic health, something exchange rates encompass they’d be a proxy for gold market if that’s all it was. Again a mispecification for economic health. Don’t get me wrong metrics like purchasing power parity which account for 93 percent of the variance in exchange rates aren’t better but they are light years ahead of gold. What year do you think it is. 1650?
If you have actual economic reasons not vague statements please comment back if not and you just think monetary theory is some weird conspiracy then we go nothin to talk about with talking past each other
If artificial limits in growth with gold are what you’re worried about, consider that if economy is growing at a rate faster than the gold supply, then what happens to the demand of gold?
Increases.
What happens when demand increases?
It becomes more valuable and profitable.
If business is booming what then happens? More competition. More gold miners. More gold. Then economic expansion can reach an equilibrium again with the gold supply.
Fiscal discipline and sound money over fiat money. Inflation is theft. Income tax is theft. The Fed, IRS, and 16th are inherently un-American.
Can’t believe you’re defending inflation caused by an unconstitutional central communist bank. The levels of inflation the Fed creates is not natural. It’s corrupt. The only reason america hasn’t seen borderline hyperinflation is because of Bretton woods. We basically export our inflation (THEFT) to other countries.
What monetary solutions do you have to offer other than defending the 5th plank of the communist manifesto’s central bank?
I support article 1 section 8 of the US constitution.
Wait are you actually arguing we should have NO inflation? If so I guess we’re done. There’s not convincing someone this stupid of anything. Take a look at what happens to economies without inflation the crumble, and for good reason.
Maybe go actually study a topic before you spout bullshit economics as bad as AOC’s because you FEEEELLLL you’re right. I’ll continue to actually work in trading and understand the topic at hand.
I’m arguing against the specific form of inflation created by an unconstitutional central bank that cannot be fully audited and prints unconstitutional fiat money at-will in unconstitutional fashion.
That’s a far cry from AOC dumb ass.
Aside from Bretton-Woods, why do you say removing the gold standard was a good thing? This is a big topic, that deserves its own post. It necessarily includes the petro dollar, which is disintegrating.
This is a really important discussion; if we're able to preserve the sovereignty of the US, we'll need to tackle this. If you do decide to start a post, please DM me so I don't miss it
Overall the gold standard is a terrible measure of economic health. There are so many facets to the economy that tying the measure of economies on one rare earth metal is not only inefficient but misleading. It might sound weird but currencies really are a measure of economic health. This is reflected in their exchange rates. Without them being able to float those rates are artificially created outside of supply and demand.
For example gold doesn’t account for factors like purchasing power parity, gdp, and the handful of factors which determine a currencies strength. I’m not a huge expert on forex since I work on volatility and fixed income derivatives, but I can think of a way that you can represent relative strength between economies with the gold standard. Also I can’t think of the benefits. All economic factors we see now such as Inflation still happen anyway
The representation of relative strength between economies is fairly straightforward: the price of gold.
When the USD was based on gold, an ounce remained the same price ($30-ish) for a long time. I don't know if you lived through the inflation of the 70's, but the quality of everything made in the US declined. Even the quality of recordings in the music industry declined. This inflation hadn't occurred until we got off the gold standard.
I'm not defending a gold standard, neither am I saying that fiat currency is necessarily bad. It has worked at times. But we can't fix this election and restore a Constitutional government without addressing this issue, since it revolves around the creation and control of our currency. I don't know the best solution. Just wondering if you have ideas.
I have seen some people say that North Dakota has this figured out. I don't know the first thing about that.
Thank you for saying this. I forgot about that Wikileak wanting to dumb us down and memory hole civics education.
Damn these fucking globalists are evil!!!
This is all the answer needed to respond to those claiming there's no evidence of fraud.
Whaaaat? Share a link, friend?
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/debra-heine/2016/10/13/podesta-pal-we-conspire-to-produce-an-unaware-and-compliant-citizenry-n48484
Teef
*gold teeth
gold teef
With straight hair too. Appropriating white culture?
grill*
its called the western tradition. we inherited it from the greeks, romans, and english!
It’s called Western Civilization and everyone else would still be slaves and warlords in mudhuts if not for the glorious inventions, wisdom and discovery of our noble ancestors.
One of my favorite ways to fuck wiht lefties is to say that, then when they ree about it I show them pictures of people living in literal mud huts in Haiti and Africa right now, today, in 2020.
Western Civilization is Superior. Say it with me Motherfuckers!
What are you Proud Boys or something? :)
Something 😘
Western chauvanists. He couldve picked a more PR friendly persona
Yeah, but... check out this hat. Isn't muh culture beautiful?
Exactly. All of Western Civilization is White culutew.
God Bless the USA intensifies
FIRING SQUADS ARE BACK ON THE MENU BOYS
never left.
"Free men do not ask permission to bear arms" is a nice quote to engrave on a rifle...
Amazing they whittled the 2nd away and we sat back. That alone should be the green light...
That’s where almost a century of boomer tier fudds and being the driving force of gun rights and no internet to allow you to search for antigun laws will get you.
Now you're conflating boomer with a century.
The bullshittery
His tree of liberty quote is appropriately on my AR lower
Thomas Jefferson = BASED Patriot!
Arguably the most based
Yep, and the very many notions he authored and penned have endured.
YES. Without Jefferson, we would be a normal country. We would be nothing.
I disagree. Most countries nowadays are sort of America like. Without Jefferson, every country would still be like the British Empire. Monarchies or Theocracies in every country. No democracy, capitalism, and the entire world would probably have communism.
Agree. Jefferson enlightened the entire world. It took a while, but yes.
Yes, yes. Let Jefferson be revered everywhere. I wish our freedom of speech and self-defense were more common; they are not, alas. Even in countries with large libraries and nice street lights and parks. You have seen that recently, oh boy. Oh yes.
But Hamilton must not be forgotten. Without him, we might not know Jefferson's name today!
About that self defense thing ...
that is by no means secure.
Boys, he literally created the base to be based upon.
Too much emphasis on him, as though he acted alone. Read the autobiography of Ben Franklin; nobody did more than him. George Washington was the natural leader; neither of these were less based than TJ. Many, many great men pledged their lives, honor and fortune to establish this Nation that has become the whipping boy of the left.
Had there been no TJ, would they have taken up the slack? What would be different? We have no way of knowing. Perhaps his biggest contribution came while he worked abroad. After opining that "the Musselman" (Muslim) had a part here, he gained first hand experience with their bs. Instead of going along with their ransom, he sold the doctrine of FAFO, which took many years. Had he not been there, would someone else have done it? Again, we'll never know.
He made great contributions, but was one among many.
This claim on Tyranny has been disputed.
Thank you for the giggle.
Well a bunch of dudes with guns are resputing it!
Resputing? It shall be sputed again!
I'm committed to resputing it as many times as necessary. I've got nothing but time!
We're all sputing mad
Imagine living your life thinking what he is saying is bullshit. That may very well be half the country right now (although Biden's real numbers are probably more like 50-60M). I can't believe we are at this stage.
Racism bad so let’s try racial Marxism
It's just normal tribalism. Me, good, me want, you give, you bring tea, you shut up. Normal, normal, awful. Very, very old. Old as mankind. NOT special or progressive. Mere imperialism, just reversed.
Average liberal compares the U.S to some utopian universe where everything is perfect. They think this is attainable within years and the only thing obstructing them is white people and capitalism. Do they look at China and Venezuela and think "Man I wish I lived there?" The hell is wrong with these people. The U.S has flaws like literally everything on the planet, but it's the best we got. And they are willing to throw it away on the belief that people like Dorsey, Gates, Zuck, and Klaus will save them all.
These people crave authority so bad that they are willing to give their autonomy away to people who sound "enlightened".
That's what happens when you take freedom for granted.
Yep. Scary shit! Crowder's show was good on this today.
Didn’t Jefferson want to abolish slavery in the Declaration of Independence
Jefferson was out of the Country when the Declaration of independence was written. Although, all the northern signers of the Constitution wanted slavery abolished, and thought they had accomplished that in 20 years, as a compromise with the South in order to have as many men as possible to fight King George.
--Build relationships with their officials and high-ranked officers, then secretly gain their loyalty through any means necessary so that when the time comes, they will betray your enemy.
--Spread rumours throughout their ranks and kingdom, spread disease, disrupt their supplies causing famine and encourage waves of crime.
--As they draw resources to focus on putting out the flames, attack without mercy.
The Chinese have executed these ruses patiently, but they are not done yet. We are now trying to put out the flames.
the US and Taiwan need a joint strike on Beijing YESTERDAY
every day that passes that there is no action taken against them is another day for their machine to drone on
Excellent insight! What's your background?
Not half the Country. Maybe more than half who recently completed school?
50-60k more like.
They've actually closed it? Due to scamdemic?
Somebody needs to scrutinize all contents, just like this election.
I've always liked the quote "A true patriot will defend his country from its government". You can be a Patriot, and be critical of the government. I'm an advocate of small government, but I still love my country!
I don't see any other way of being a patriot really.
For me, one of the true genius of the Founding Fathers was to realize that government is a necessary evil and thus must be kept to a minimum set of ordinances and duties.
Without it, you have anarchy. Too much of it, you have tyranny.
Nowhere else in the world a country has been founded under such clear interpretation.
Exactly, it's why I call myself a Minarchist. My desire is for an state with minimum government, a government that would exist to provide defense for your natural rights (i.e. courts), defense of the nation (strong borders, military), and defense of the free market (ensuring anti-trust laws, fair, and equitable trade deals).
Moving towards anything else is a move towards ideologies that are fundamentally anti-American, like Communism, and Fascism. Less Government, more Capitalism should be the way forward.
Yup! The bit about government being evil but a necessary evil is the basis of "American exceptionalism," which refers to the principles in our founding documents.
Fellow Minarchist checking in! You provided an outstanding definition.
Thank you, I did my best! I think it's a fitting ideology to match a sort-of Constitutionalist orthodoxy.
There's a minimum IQ requirement and a minimum cultural requirement for a minarchist society. The commitment to hash out disagreements and come to terms using words.
The founders rejected the notion of special privileges. No immunity for government agents. No titles of nobility. No law degrees for lawyers or judges. No exemptions from the law for anyone for any reason of status or position.
"The Second Amendment is not a permission slip, it's a warning label." - Undefined
This man was ALPHA OMEGA BASED!!!
Really put the "Make America" in MAGA.
I disagree with the second one on the right. If you read that one alone you might think it's ok for the government to stymie your other rights in the interest of protecting your life. That should only happen in EXTREME circumstances. The chief purpose is to protect liberty, which includes life. But liberty is supreme.
I don't think it's a real Thomas Jefferson quote.
Most of them arent
Which ones?
“Rebellion to tyranny is obedience to God” technically isn’t his quote, but it was proposed to be on the seal of the United States of America, rejected, and then adopted as his own seal.
"When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty” wasn’t said by him, but he expressed similar sentiments.
“Free men do not ask permission to bear arms” is a modification of his proposed wording for an amendment to the constitution of Virginia.
Can’t find anything about the corruption of a Republic one.
“The issue today is the same as it has been throughout all history, whether man shall be allowed to govern himself or be ruled by a small elite” is apparently an interpretation of a letter Jefferson sent.
“Equal rights for all, special privileges to none” may have been, no one seems to be 100% sure.
The others are not his, so we’re looking at 2/11 being questionable, 3/11 being paraphrases, and 1/11 being not a quote of his but a quote he adopted, 5/11 not being related to him.
"Fuck your optics I'm declaring independence" - TJ probably
Mask-wearing Covid fags will latch onto that one. Tommy is SO wrong on that...govt’s chief purpose is NOT TO PROTECT LIFE. How the fuck did he get that so wrong. Wtf??
I agree ... life without liberty ain't life. If someone wants to eat shit the government isn't allowed to take his liberty to protect his life.
Considering this guy wrote the Bill of Rights, I think we can get an idea of where he's coming from.
Time to yeet some tyrants - Thomas Jefferson.
Back when "Make America Great Again" was just "Make America. "
3% fren. 3%
Thomas Jefferson was the man. Alexander Hamilton was a punk. So was Aaron Burr and John C Calhoun. Andrew Jackson a Democrat is actually my favorite President of all time. I love history, wish it was taught better at the university level instead of the 1619 project type indoctrination they're shoving down peoples throats.
I can't believe he voted for Biden. There might be some irregularities with the election. Someone should probably look in to it.
He also waged war on Islamic terrorists.
"To the shores of Tripoli"
Our founding Fathers were the original info wars!
My personal favorite president.
My girlfriend found me a shirt at Salvation Army with the second quote on here for like 2 dollars. It’s the most comfortable and based shirt I own.
Does this alone make her marriage material? Existential questions ...
The irony of that is she got the shirt for me on Friday and I went and bought an engagement ring on sunday😂...so to answer tour question yes!
Good luck! Happy for you :)
Thanks! Both of our families are very based so I’ve know for a while she was the one.
Source for these quotes? Are they real or fake?
Fake. Some of them are similar to views he expressed. They're worthwhile phrases, and period correct.
Crazy thing is, it's true. All of it. It's all true.
At least one of them is unfortunately fake. But often attributed to him.
Over half of these are the fake "Never trust anything you read on the Internet -Abraham Lincoln" meme quotes pedes fall for. I have no idea why they came into existence but apparently did in early 2000s. Disinformation? Slight ignorance? No idea.
If you go find the actual source that these shorter quotes are based off of, typically they are much lengthier in Old English writing which is harder to understand. Some also tend to not be so poignant in their defense for whatever subject the short quote's author is trying to convey it as - however reading the real Founding Father's letters to each other, declarations, etc is just as eye opening and true to liberty as these quotes more or less mistakenly are.
I like that explanation. They're suitable paraphrases and TL;Dr, but not properly attributed. Jefferson should not become a substitute for ALL our founding Fathers.
Incidentally, all Congressional records are kept in the law library in every County seat. By law. If that changes? Bad juju. You can get really familiar with all these guys by reading that.
Yup, I just hate when I see these shared and leftoids are all over them saying "ThEy NevER SaiD THAT". Well, they did and didn't actually, its just incredibly paraphrased to the spirit of the original.
It would be so much better for that to develop into a conversation of what they actually said, realizing that these are all right on the money but penned by 60-ish different greats. Not counting all the ones who didn't survive the war.
That they're never open to this natural progression tells us volumes about how to handle the current conflict.
It doesn't matter if they are fake or real, ultimately.
It's a part of the mythos.
Reality as opposed to myrhos is important?
The guy was pretty rad, regardless!
My favorite is his (legitimate and verified) quote about how shooting guns is a far superior sport than sportsball. He knew, even then.
Wow, TJ was super based
Forgot the best one of all...
"Stay strapped or get clapped."
You can’t forget my boy Ben Franklin
“Tax this dick”
We are ruled by a small elite, that is very obvious.
Add this to the DNC Wikileaks about they want to keep us uninformed and compliant. That's all we need for a response to masks or "there is no proof of election fraud."
We're in a mess, most people are not informed and they are compliant.
I wish more people read Wikileaks, not just the Podesta emails but there were so much else.
It's like he knew one day the government would become too powerful and shit would hit the fan unless average citizens stepped up.
Are we sure he wasn't a time traveler?
No he just understood human nature, unlike anyone who supports Biden
TJ - Thomas Jefferson. Backwards is JT, or John Trump, as in Donald John Trump.
Not just him. All our founding Fathers. Most of these quotes were not written by TJ.
This explains why the DNC want an "unaware and compliant citizenry" as revealed in the Podesta emails. Tyrants can't have citizens being well informed.
Jefferson also vehemently hated the press! Huh some things never change huh?
All of this insanely relative today. Crazy.
Based x 1776
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Based Thomas knew.
Sounds like 2020. End game.
I know we all want President Trump to become General Trump for when the last choice becomes the only choice.
I do not think he will be our General for this we must find a new General for this process if it becomes the only option.
A goal for the end of war becomes option, my iron glad voting plan is highly recommended and a demand for an election using that system. See my post history.
Restoring our respresentstion in the house, by repealing the reapportionment act of 1929 would be another demand. The real reason for the census.
Trump would be the negotiater for peace but to think he would be our General is misleading.
A plan for what peace would be after war if needed not just a playing card deck for the battle...
I agree DJT isn't going to give any "signal," as so many say they're waiting for. I don't think anything will be long enough to need a General. Our military will quell it after one night.
The US Constitution is restored to the highest law of the land, that's the big thing. How to replace the Fed is honestly the biggest issue after that.
I'm not sure which founding father is better. Jefferson or Washington. Jefferson seems like the most intelligent of all of them. Washington was rich.. still risked his life to tell the British to fuck off.. was asked if he wanted to be King and turned them down like a complete fucking gangster. It's hard imo to decide which of these 2 were the best in the era.
There were many more. They were all rich. Ben Franklin did the most.
This man is one of my favorites of all time because what he says is timeless and relevant to all peoples and nations.
He only wrote one of these, if that. This is a modernized reflection of all our founding Fathers, wrongly attributed to one of them.
Misattribution is the most sincere form of flattery. -Thomas Jefferson
Lol 95% of all statistics are just made up ;)
Calvinball rules, just like the election!
Man this would have been done 50 years ago if he was alive
''Free men do NOT ask permission to bear arms'' = gun laws MUST be removed.
disobeyed
you people always want the easy way out.
if you want to fight against tyranny you're going to have to risk prison. that's just the way it is.
And a lying scumbag media is the surest path to tyrrany.
I keep telling my wife that I wish God would just put the founding fathers back in charge for a month. Thousands of necks would be hanging in DC.
Great quotes! Thanks for sharing.
Being from California the one that stood out to me the most is "Free men do not ask permission to bear arms". You are right MR JEFFERSON we dont!!!
All things demonrats are against.
I love how he exactly defines tyranny and it's clear as day what the Democrats are doing.
This is why the Left via BLM, ANTIFA, elected officials, etc has such a hard-on for demonizing our founding fathers.