Jefferson was indispensable. But Hamilton was indispensable too.
They were opposites, Jefferson the idealist, and Hamilton the realist, who got it all paid for, so we weren't shirtless in the street, laughed at as silly hippies, whose failed "republic" showed that liberty could never last, because it didn't pay. Men needed a king and inherited, severe, feudal authority to make them do a full day's work, that would have shown. Hamilton saved us from that.
It had to pay.
Jefferson died broke buying books.
Hamilton made our country survive.
What has no sound financial foundation does not last. Hamilton is on the ten dollar bill for good reason. He made it pay. Somebody had to. We owe it all to him.
Both men were geniuses and both men were necessary. It was that kind of generation. Amazing people.
"Jefferson and Aaron Burr tied for the presidency in the electoral college, and Hamilton helped to defeat Burr, whom he found unprincipled, and to elect Jefferson despite philosophical differences."
"Hamilton is generally regarded as an astute and intellectually brilliant politician and financier, if often impetuous. His ideas are credited with laying the foundation for American government and finance. "
I’d rather have a monarchy than whatever the fuck we have today... this political theater put on by elites in two different costumes who pretend to be trapped in gridlock so nothing ever gets done. They spend all day telling us to donate to them and attack the other side. Then after the sun goes down they meet the elites from the other side for martinis
Imagine if trump were a monarch. We’d be in pretty damn good shape right now. “But what if a bad person became the monarch”. That’s where the 2A comes in
Central banking doesn't do that, fiat currency does that. A central bank would work fine if the gold standard was still in effect.
EDIT: You people really need to get a grip on the distinctions between banks, lenders, and minters. The entire problem is that one entity does all of that instead of it being three separate entities.
No, because a central bank eliminates free-market competition. What happens if the central bank runs out of gold? It's a monopoly fully in control of your finances.
Before you had multiple independent banks, each issuing their own banknotes.
Central bank is unconstitutional. See -> Article 1 Section 8. CONGRESS shall control the money supply. Not a central banking cabal full of traitors who profit off both sides of the wars and our government putting us further in debt.
And apparently his rapping wasn't very good either. It was corny. Like he had some okay internal rhyme schemes but he really needed to work on his delivery for sure. That's probably the one and only thing the degenerate Hamilton play depicted historically accurately.
What is up with the Hamilton play? I’ve never seen it, and I know liberals lose their minds over it, which makes me never want to see it. Why did they use POC for every single role? What is their retarded reason for that?
You mean you wouldn't cast the entire offensive line of the Baltimore Ravens to play the founding fathers fam? Sounding a little discriminatory there.
The left has this retarded idea that if POC don't see POC in roles it's excluding. So even in a play full of figures the left brings up were White men who owned slaves 24/7 they still can't depict them all as White. This is a projection because liberals always have to feel like something is about them and they'll complain if they aren't pandered to. Like when they complain a show or sketch doesn't go woke enough or the like. There's plenty of POC that simply do not care and enjoy something without a show going on some racist assumption that they'd only like so-and-so because they are poc.
But I mean you can make a play however you want, but lmao it is funny how hard they try. It's like a ghetto alternate universe America and a Boondocks episode where Charlie Murphy is voicing Thomas Jefferson or some shit. There's comedic value to that alone tbh but it would be funnier if they didn't take it so damn seriously.
Disclaimer: I've only seen the version on Disney+, and the following is my opinion.
I agree with NotakTheWiser. It's extremely overrated, not to mention that it went to extremes to "colorize" and "re-culturize" the story of the Founding. Beyond that, it's extremely forgettable as far as a musical/play goes.
Ironically, the greatest character (by far) was a white guy: King George. My next favorite was George Washington... because it's George Washington (I'm so glad they didn't destroy his character).
Jefferson had swag (the real Jefferson deserves the accolades, for sure), and it makes you root for him against Hamilton at every point... then again, Hamilton was presented just so terribly that you'd be rooting for Joe Biden over him (more on that later). The problem I had with Jefferson is that he may have had too much swag (or at least the type that makes him seem too childish and immature for such an enlightened man). Also, the same actor play a Frenchmen earlier in the play... which was played as a cartoonish comedic role... which was appropriate for a Frenchman, but not for an American Founding Father.
Now, back to Alexander Hamilton... his character was absolutely atrocious! I'm not a fan of the real Hamilton, so this play/portrayal didn't improve my liking of him any. Let's just say that Hamilton is a prime example of how being the writer/producer comes with benefits. Lin-Manuel Miranda is absolutely terrible. He can't sing, he can't act, and he can't write music worth a dime. For the whole play, I was scratching my head how he was even on the stage, little on the titular character... then, I found out he was the boss man. Let's just say this... whatever awards he got for Hamilton, he deserved them about as much as Obama deserved the Nobel prize.
As, for the music, there were only one or two songs that are even pleasant or get stuck in your head (one being King George's theme). The rest were humdrum or worse (I am NOT a fan of rap/hip-hop). I honestly don't remember Hamilton actually singing a single note. I don't even know what he does... call it rap or whatever, but it's like he just speaks his lines in rhythm with music... it's bad. I can easily say that the two women outclass everyone vocally.
Am I glad I watched it? I am glad that I saw it so I know what it is. If you have Disney+ already, and can watch it with no further cost, I'd recommend watching it also when you have nothing better to do. You may get a kick out of King George or so (and yes, I would watch a full musical of just him). But if you're wanting to watch a musical, and you're in a patriotic mood, I'd go with 1776 instead. It may be older and stuffy, but there are times where you can really feel the weight of the decisions and consequences the Founders were dealing with. At least it was a celebration of America and Liberty.
God has given the US leaders on all sides of the loose-strict spectrum. Jefferson gave us Liberty and Hamilton made it pay so we still have it. You need both, and they need to oppose each other dynamically, because they both contain Truth.
That is only partially correct. He was at the constitutional convention and certainly opposed the proposal where state legislature would decide the president, but you can thank George Mason IIRC for the electoral college. Hamilton wasn’t a bad dude, but he was a big govt guy through and through
Hamilton wanted a king. But he did help write the Federalist Papers. And he was a brilliant man. He was very opposed to slavery, and George Washington’s BFF.
Oddly enough John Jay who didn’t sign the deceleration of independence wrote most of them. But Jay is often a forgotten forefather.
George Mason is the reason for the bill of rights. Constitution didn’t have a bill of rights originally. Mason demanded it.
James Madison was the Virginia plan.
Gouverneur Morris coined the term We The People. Also died preforming surgery on his penis with a whale bone.
Yes. You need one of those. Perhaps, only one. But he made it pay. Nobody else had, until then. There were plenty of failed rebellions before our successful one. Nobody remembers them. Peasant uprisings, that sort of thing. It has to pay or it doesn't last.
At least he was smart, and wanted this country to survive and thrive. I am not sure that kind of brains, and purity of intention is around now. Maybe it is. I can't see into all hearts. But Hamilton is a legitimate Founding Father.
Team Jefferson! Even if he died dirt poor the man has principles and balls something all these pussies of today lack. To succeed in politics you have to be an scumbag Hamilton flourished in politics that all you have to know about him.
I honor Jefferson's dying broke. But everybody isn't Jefferson and everybody can't die broke. His glorious estate, Monticello, was almost sold off for scrap, but was rescued by a patriotic family, the Levys, who had the means to preserve it for posterity, thank God.
No comparison. Nobody alive today considers himself on the level of the Founding Fathers. No one with sense. Well, we all know who is the one exception to that. Just one.
That's overdoing it. He made significant contributions, but we should recognize the problem with central banks in the US. Would we have gotten this far without him? Obviously we can't know. The problems he introduced need to be understood. Apparently the anti-federalist papers address this, in contrast to the federalist papers he helped to write.
Jefferson was indispensable. But Hamilton was indispensable too.
They were opposites, Jefferson the idealist, and Hamilton the realist, who got it all paid for, so we weren't shirtless in the street, laughed at as silly hippies, whose failed "republic" showed that liberty could never last, because it didn't pay. Men needed a king and inherited, severe, feudal authority to make them do a full day's work, that would have shown. Hamilton saved us from that.
It had to pay.
Jefferson died broke buying books.
Hamilton made our country survive.
What has no sound financial foundation does not last. Hamilton is on the ten dollar bill for good reason. He made it pay. Somebody had to. We owe it all to him.
Both men were geniuses and both men were necessary. It was that kind of generation. Amazing people.
"Jefferson and Aaron Burr tied for the presidency in the electoral college, and Hamilton helped to defeat Burr, whom he found unprincipled, and to elect Jefferson despite philosophical differences."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Hamilton
"Hamilton is generally regarded as an astute and intellectually brilliant politician and financier, if often impetuous. His ideas are credited with laying the foundation for American government and finance. "
Hamilton wanted a central bank. He was no friend of liberty.
Hamilton: wanted bank, lost a duel
Jackson: hated bank, won an uncountable number of duels
Can we bring back dueling? Please?
Andrew Jackson: IT’S TIME TO D-D-D-D-DUEL!
I’d rather have a monarchy than whatever the fuck we have today... this political theater put on by elites in two different costumes who pretend to be trapped in gridlock so nothing ever gets done. They spend all day telling us to donate to them and attack the other side. Then after the sun goes down they meet the elites from the other side for martinis
Imagine if trump were a monarch. We’d be in pretty damn good shape right now. “But what if a bad person became the monarch”. That’s where the 2A comes in
Alexander Hamilton sucks, to put it succinctly. Thomas Jefferson is a national treasure!
“Unjust weight and measures are an abomination to God!”
Central banking promotes the distortion of the measure of money through inflation and bail outs for bankers
Central banking doesn't do that, fiat currency does that. A central bank would work fine if the gold standard was still in effect.
EDIT: You people really need to get a grip on the distinctions between banks, lenders, and minters. The entire problem is that one entity does all of that instead of it being three separate entities.
No, because a central bank eliminates free-market competition. What happens if the central bank runs out of gold? It's a monopoly fully in control of your finances.
Before you had multiple independent banks, each issuing their own banknotes.
Central bank is unconstitutional. See -> Article 1 Section 8. CONGRESS shall control the money supply. Not a central banking cabal full of traitors who profit off both sides of the wars and our government putting us further in debt.
Fuck the Fed reserve bank cartel. It is asshoe
No ... it did not work great.
And apparently his rapping wasn't very good either. It was corny. Like he had some okay internal rhyme schemes but he really needed to work on his delivery for sure. That's probably the one and only thing the degenerate Hamilton play depicted historically accurately.
What is up with the Hamilton play? I’ve never seen it, and I know liberals lose their minds over it, which makes me never want to see it. Why did they use POC for every single role? What is their retarded reason for that?
But I mean you can make a play however you want, but lmao it is funny how hard they try. It's like a ghetto alternate universe America and a Boondocks episode where Charlie Murphy is voicing Thomas Jefferson or some shit. There's comedic value to that alone tbh but it would be funnier if they didn't take it so damn seriously.
Disclaimer: I've only seen the version on Disney+, and the following is my opinion.
I agree with NotakTheWiser. It's extremely overrated, not to mention that it went to extremes to "colorize" and "re-culturize" the story of the Founding. Beyond that, it's extremely forgettable as far as a musical/play goes.
Ironically, the greatest character (by far) was a white guy: King George. My next favorite was George Washington... because it's George Washington (I'm so glad they didn't destroy his character).
Jefferson had swag (the real Jefferson deserves the accolades, for sure), and it makes you root for him against Hamilton at every point... then again, Hamilton was presented just so terribly that you'd be rooting for Joe Biden over him (more on that later). The problem I had with Jefferson is that he may have had too much swag (or at least the type that makes him seem too childish and immature for such an enlightened man). Also, the same actor play a Frenchmen earlier in the play... which was played as a cartoonish comedic role... which was appropriate for a Frenchman, but not for an American Founding Father.
Now, back to Alexander Hamilton... his character was absolutely atrocious! I'm not a fan of the real Hamilton, so this play/portrayal didn't improve my liking of him any. Let's just say that Hamilton is a prime example of how being the writer/producer comes with benefits. Lin-Manuel Miranda is absolutely terrible. He can't sing, he can't act, and he can't write music worth a dime. For the whole play, I was scratching my head how he was even on the stage, little on the titular character... then, I found out he was the boss man. Let's just say this... whatever awards he got for Hamilton, he deserved them about as much as Obama deserved the Nobel prize.
As, for the music, there were only one or two songs that are even pleasant or get stuck in your head (one being King George's theme). The rest were humdrum or worse (I am NOT a fan of rap/hip-hop). I honestly don't remember Hamilton actually singing a single note. I don't even know what he does... call it rap or whatever, but it's like he just speaks his lines in rhythm with music... it's bad. I can easily say that the two women outclass everyone vocally.
Am I glad I watched it? I am glad that I saw it so I know what it is. If you have Disney+ already, and can watch it with no further cost, I'd recommend watching it also when you have nothing better to do. You may get a kick out of King George or so (and yes, I would watch a full musical of just him). But if you're wanting to watch a musical, and you're in a patriotic mood, I'd go with 1776 instead. It may be older and stuffy, but there are times where you can really feel the weight of the decisions and consequences the Founders were dealing with. At least it was a celebration of America and Liberty.
God has given the US leaders on all sides of the loose-strict spectrum. Jefferson gave us Liberty and Hamilton made it pay so we still have it. You need both, and they need to oppose each other dynamically, because they both contain Truth.
If you don’t spend money recklessly, you have no problems.
Stop shilling for the federal reserve. You don’t create wealth by printing money or giving special privileges to bankers.
Ideally a banker is no different from a horse farrier or a seamstress. Someone who knows how to do something as a specialty and job.
Ideally.
There is no substitute for honor.
Wealth is created by labor upon the land. Representations (currency) is ok, but all abstractions are suspect.
Alexander Hamilton, history’s first big government neocon
Alexander Hamilton is the reason we have an electoral college. He also helped write the bill of rights
That is only partially correct. He was at the constitutional convention and certainly opposed the proposal where state legislature would decide the president, but you can thank George Mason IIRC for the electoral college. Hamilton wasn’t a bad dude, but he was a big govt guy through and through
Big government = bad. Ergo, Hamilton voiced problematic themes, despite being a major contributor.
Hamilton wanted a king. But he did help write the Federalist Papers. And he was a brilliant man. He was very opposed to slavery, and George Washington’s BFF.
Oddly enough John Jay who didn’t sign the deceleration of independence wrote most of them. But Jay is often a forgotten forefather.
George Mason is the reason for the bill of rights. Constitution didn’t have a bill of rights originally. Mason demanded it.
James Madison was the Virginia plan.
Gouverneur Morris coined the term We The People. Also died preforming surgery on his penis with a whale bone.
That last sentence lmaooo. Wtf
John Jay isn't forgotten by me!
Don't pull a Gouverneur Morris - sheesh. Somehow I missed that part in school
Yes. You need one of those. Perhaps, only one. But he made it pay. Nobody else had, until then. There were plenty of failed rebellions before our successful one. Nobody remembers them. Peasant uprisings, that sort of thing. It has to pay or it doesn't last.
At least he was smart, and wanted this country to survive and thrive. I am not sure that kind of brains, and purity of intention is around now. Maybe it is. I can't see into all hearts. But Hamilton is a legitimate Founding Father.
Team Jefferson! Even if he died dirt poor the man has principles and balls something all these pussies of today lack. To succeed in politics you have to be an scumbag Hamilton flourished in politics that all you have to know about him.
I honor Jefferson's dying broke. But everybody isn't Jefferson and everybody can't die broke. His glorious estate, Monticello, was almost sold off for scrap, but was rescued by a patriotic family, the Levys, who had the means to preserve it for posterity, thank God.
I don’t care how much personal debt Thomas Jefferson died with. The value he brought to our country is priceless.
Good politicians are the ones that don’t become richer leaving office then they did entering it...
Hamilton was a scumbag
Not entirely. He supported Jefferson for the presidency in spite of obvious huge differences of personality and opinion.
Hamilton probably was no easy man to know.
Exactly, he supported Jefferson because he hated Burr and saw him as an opportunist
He just knew which of them was presidential material.
That is an essential skill.
This country possesses it.
So he was sort of like a John McCain was to Trump. Got it.
No comparison. Nobody alive today considers himself on the level of the Founding Fathers. No one with sense. Well, we all know who is the one exception to that. Just one.
Aaron Burr would like a word...
That's overdoing it. He made significant contributions, but we should recognize the problem with central banks in the US. Would we have gotten this far without him? Obviously we can't know. The problems he introduced need to be understood. Apparently the anti-federalist papers address this, in contrast to the federalist papers he helped to write.
Can you enlighten on why?