Everytime I've seen women struggle (revel) with it (my mom's side is rife) its always been about denying responsibility, establishing justification, and reinforcing their own perpetual adolescence at the expense of the nearest thing with a penis.
Right, because they're denying their nature to be submissive in relation to a man. That's the societal pressure of being masculine telling them "they don't need no man"; however, the nature is telling them they don't want responsibility. Either you man-up and take responsibility or you end up with an internal struggle.
If they accepted a feminine submissive role and found a man who valued that, while he took a dominant masculine role thus the woman didn't need to take responsibility because the man would, they would be happier and wouldn't have this internal struggle. Our society programs women to be unable to accept their natural role though because they're given super-status by the State and men are oppressed. This allows women to behave like this with no consequence.
In any other period of time, like 200 years ago, these women would have been "put in their place" by a man and forced into their natural role, which is actually what these women likely need.
Right, because they're denying their nature to be submissive in relation to a man.
I don't believe that's in their nature. Women are too selfish to be naturally submissive. I think submissiveness is a societal pressure that was placed on them in that respective time, because that is what men wanted and they held the resources so they held the power.
My theory on it is simple. If consequence builds character then the deprivation of consequence is the deprivation of character. If you deprive a girl of character her entire childhood what you're left with - more often than not - is a perpetual adolescent that cannot function beyond a state of learned helplessness.
If you want women to take on a more traditional role, hold them accountable for everything they do. They'll beg for it in droves.
It's tricky to explain by comparison because I can't think of any other phenomenon it's comparable to but it's like this: Almost all woman want to be dominated by a strong man and be forced into a submissive role. The issue is that women can't willingly assume the submissive role, otherwise that indicates the man isn't strong enough for her. It's a giant shit test. Women act as unruly as possible because they are seeking a strong enough man to reign her in. You see this in nature all the time. Female lions for example don't just bow down to the male immediately. They prod at him and test him and then when he shows his superior strength, she backs down. Humans play the same song and dance, albeit, our song and dances are far more complex but ultimately, it's the same game.
The issue right now that is men gave way too much power to women while also oppressing their own power in order to push for equality. The State oppresses men through taxes and laws that disproportionately negatively impact men. One minor example of a State Law that disproportionately negatively impacts men is the law against violence of any kind. In a society where minor violence is allowed when people insult you, like a face slap, which used to be our society, men had an advantage over women. This changed the way women were forced to act in relation to men because they might get hit and this imitated a more natural dynamic between humans that didn't involve a State. Now if a man did this, the State and its enforcers of men (police) will negatively impact the man. He is thus oppressed by men in the State to elevate women. This distorts the natural balance between men and women. I'm using violence specifically as an example here because it's a subject often ignored and generally accepted as bad; however, there is a reason feminists have strongly been against violence because anything that involves strength they are undoubtedly weaker, so a society that allows bouts of strength to revolve disputes, favours men over women. When you oppress this, you are oppressing the natural balance.
The above also ties into "holding them accountable". Understand that so much of what benefits women is enforced by men, whether that's taxes to subsidize single-mothers (if a man doesn't pay the police come to his door because it's a crime) etc... The most simple way to change things is to simply reduce government. The smaller the government and the more freedom men have the more nature will take its course.
It's tricky to explain by comparison because I can't think of any other phenomenon it's comparable to but it's like this: Almost all woman want to be dominated by a strong man and be forced into a submissive role. The issue is that women can't willingly assume the submissive role, otherwise that indicates the man isn't strong enough for her. It's a giant shit test. Women act as unruly as possible because they are seeking a strong enough man to reign her in.
Yeah, I'll give you that.
The most simple way to change things is to simply reduce government.
Can't agree with this though, the simplest way to change things is to not participate.
Female here, I agree with you actually, but also it's hard to find a man these days who hasn't been feminized as well, I only recently got engaged after many years of failed relationships because I always ended up being the breadwinner and it put me in more dominant position, too many men these days are assuming that soy personality, and there are so many women who end up in a stale relationship because of it. Not many women would agree with me however, so that's lame.
I agree with you. I had trouble finding a man I couldn't walk all over. I almost ended up a crazy dog lady. I am thankful every day I found him finally.
See my other reply to see why women don't agree. I think all women do agree at a biological internal level but can't agree outwardly because agreeing makes it easier on men and that's not what women want. If women agree with your statement thus encouraging men to be more masculine/dominant then the men are weak and not what the women want. Really, men need to learn to step up themselves without the aid of women telling them that's what they need to do.
Everytime I've seen women struggle (revel) with it (my mom's side is rife) its always been about denying responsibility, establishing justification, and reinforcing their own perpetual adolescence at the expense of the nearest thing with a penis.
Right, because they're denying their nature to be submissive in relation to a man. That's the societal pressure of being masculine telling them "they don't need no man"; however, the nature is telling them they don't want responsibility. Either you man-up and take responsibility or you end up with an internal struggle.
If they accepted a feminine submissive role and found a man who valued that, while he took a dominant masculine role thus the woman didn't need to take responsibility because the man would, they would be happier and wouldn't have this internal struggle. Our society programs women to be unable to accept their natural role though because they're given super-status by the State and men are oppressed. This allows women to behave like this with no consequence.
In any other period of time, like 200 years ago, these women would have been "put in their place" by a man and forced into their natural role, which is actually what these women likely need.
I don't believe that's in their nature. Women are too selfish to be naturally submissive. I think submissiveness is a societal pressure that was placed on them in that respective time, because that is what men wanted and they held the resources so they held the power.
My theory on it is simple. If consequence builds character then the deprivation of consequence is the deprivation of character. If you deprive a girl of character her entire childhood what you're left with - more often than not - is a perpetual adolescent that cannot function beyond a state of learned helplessness.
If you want women to take on a more traditional role, hold them accountable for everything they do. They'll beg for it in droves.
I would disagree.
It's tricky to explain by comparison because I can't think of any other phenomenon it's comparable to but it's like this: Almost all woman want to be dominated by a strong man and be forced into a submissive role. The issue is that women can't willingly assume the submissive role, otherwise that indicates the man isn't strong enough for her. It's a giant shit test. Women act as unruly as possible because they are seeking a strong enough man to reign her in. You see this in nature all the time. Female lions for example don't just bow down to the male immediately. They prod at him and test him and then when he shows his superior strength, she backs down. Humans play the same song and dance, albeit, our song and dances are far more complex but ultimately, it's the same game.
The issue right now that is men gave way too much power to women while also oppressing their own power in order to push for equality. The State oppresses men through taxes and laws that disproportionately negatively impact men. One minor example of a State Law that disproportionately negatively impacts men is the law against violence of any kind. In a society where minor violence is allowed when people insult you, like a face slap, which used to be our society, men had an advantage over women. This changed the way women were forced to act in relation to men because they might get hit and this imitated a more natural dynamic between humans that didn't involve a State. Now if a man did this, the State and its enforcers of men (police) will negatively impact the man. He is thus oppressed by men in the State to elevate women. This distorts the natural balance between men and women. I'm using violence specifically as an example here because it's a subject often ignored and generally accepted as bad; however, there is a reason feminists have strongly been against violence because anything that involves strength they are undoubtedly weaker, so a society that allows bouts of strength to revolve disputes, favours men over women. When you oppress this, you are oppressing the natural balance.
The above also ties into "holding them accountable". Understand that so much of what benefits women is enforced by men, whether that's taxes to subsidize single-mothers (if a man doesn't pay the police come to his door because it's a crime) etc... The most simple way to change things is to simply reduce government. The smaller the government and the more freedom men have the more nature will take its course.
Yeah, I'll give you that.
Can't agree with this though, the simplest way to change things is to not participate.
Female here, I agree with you actually, but also it's hard to find a man these days who hasn't been feminized as well, I only recently got engaged after many years of failed relationships because I always ended up being the breadwinner and it put me in more dominant position, too many men these days are assuming that soy personality, and there are so many women who end up in a stale relationship because of it. Not many women would agree with me however, so that's lame.
I agree with you. I had trouble finding a man I couldn't walk all over. I almost ended up a crazy dog lady. I am thankful every day I found him finally.
See my other reply to see why women don't agree. I think all women do agree at a biological internal level but can't agree outwardly because agreeing makes it easier on men and that's not what women want. If women agree with your statement thus encouraging men to be more masculine/dominant then the men are weak and not what the women want. Really, men need to learn to step up themselves without the aid of women telling them that's what they need to do.
absolutely based psychoanalysis.