Yep. Load balancing means that you could be looking at a part of the network which has the newer value one minute then at another part which has an old value the next. YouTube handles an incredible amount of data, not just for the videos but for views, upvotes, downvotes and the same for comments. This kind of "we'll get there sooner or later" optimization is pretty inevitable.
"YouTube handles an incredible amount of data, not just for the videos but for views, upvotes, downvotes and the same for comments"
And their way to help alleviate some of that load is to address .. that is .. to do, then, undo, then do, then undo, then do, then undo, etc, .. the Same enumeration Multiple different times? lol
Rather than having one-line which simply Updates the integer value whenever newer information (or batches thereof) obtain round-robin.
There's no rational explanation (besides 'curating') which can explain an already-logged value 'going down'.
As a simplified analogy, how does '30 + 15 = 24'?
Sure .. 30.
Sure .. 15.
Sure .. busy and waiting.
But, however long one waits, 30 + 15 = 45.
Did thousands of anti-people from a reverse anti-matter universe un-watch the video?
Did thousands of anti-people from a reverse anti-matter universe un-comment on the video?
🤷♂️
Aaaaand, then simply demonstrate an MSNBC or Rap video exhibiting the same behavior.
You're not getting it. There is not one authoritative place. That value is stored multiple places throughout the vast YouTube network and you might be accessing the new value then an old value from somewhere else on the network. I posted a link in another part of the thread but happy to post it again.
Your appeal to 'complexity' would never make an already-logged value go 'backwards'. It would simply, eventually, be updated, in progressively, cumulatively, higher (positive) integers.
No actual programmer / systems engineer would be so incompetent as to make a gigantic busy system unnecessarily More complex in order for a set address's counter to exhibit random values when it could just, instead, use (log) Addition.
Your appeal to 'complexity' falls flat, again, as Googtube not only serves its video content and comment threads, but also casually runs (frankly) mindbending analytic suites on every published page, as well, the granularity of which is capable of Real-Time using a third-party manager, but your position is that they can't perform Addition?
Spez: Watched the newer vid you linked. They're suffering an issue so easily solvable that I think I'll explore its protection and assignability, rather than discuss it here. But also, as someone else said, Googtube is "crooked as fuck", and an existence of A doesn't preclude an action of B, it just provides it cover. Many pedes might still recall the three-day period about 10 years ago when Alexa noted how '80% of visitors to essentially every Conservative website suddenly decided to never go there again.' At least according to Alexa's rankings. Per the concept that Trump2020 might have had a 47+ state win, whose to say what objective reality is when the people who announce it are evil and hate you.
Definitely agree with your last paragraph. And there are definitely examples of YouTube rolling back views (YouTubers are very vocal about it since that's their income). Just explaining why something like 31,000 -> 29,000 ->30,500 in a short amount of time is not necessarily concerning.
Look YouTube is owned by Google and crooked as fuck, and no doubt they likely do Nerf Conservative and Trump accounts, however zooty has a valid point. It's been a well established "fact", in that YT has said long ago views do not update in realtime.
Yep. Load balancing means that you could be looking at a part of the network which has the newer value one minute then at another part which has an old value the next. YouTube handles an incredible amount of data, not just for the videos but for views, upvotes, downvotes and the same for comments. This kind of "we'll get there sooner or later" optimization is pretty inevitable.
"YouTube handles an incredible amount of data, not just for the videos but for views, upvotes, downvotes and the same for comments"
And their way to help alleviate some of that load is to address .. that is .. to do, then, undo, then do, then undo, then do, then undo, etc, .. the Same enumeration Multiple different times? lol
Rather than having one-line which simply Updates the integer value whenever newer information (or batches thereof) obtain round-robin.
There's no rational explanation (besides 'curating') which can explain an already-logged value 'going down'.
As a simplified analogy, how does '30 + 15 = 24'?
Sure .. 30.
Sure .. 15.
Sure .. busy and waiting.
But, however long one waits, 30 + 15 = 45.
Did thousands of anti-people from a reverse anti-matter universe un-watch the video?
Did thousands of anti-people from a reverse anti-matter universe un-comment on the video?
🤷♂️
Aaaaand, then simply demonstrate an MSNBC or Rap video exhibiting the same behavior.
Should I wait?
I just ran across this too. Looks like it will be good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY_2gElt3SA
You're not getting it. There is not one authoritative place. That value is stored multiple places throughout the vast YouTube network and you might be accessing the new value then an old value from somewhere else on the network. I posted a link in another part of the thread but happy to post it again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eventual_consistency
Your appeal to 'complexity' would never make an already-logged value go 'backwards'. It would simply, eventually, be updated, in progressively, cumulatively, higher (positive) integers.
No actual programmer / systems engineer would be so incompetent as to make a gigantic busy system unnecessarily More complex in order for a set address's counter to exhibit random values when it could just, instead, use (log) Addition.
Your appeal to 'complexity' falls flat, again, as Googtube not only serves its video content and comment threads, but also casually runs (frankly) mindbending analytic suites on every published page, as well, the granularity of which is capable of Real-Time using a third-party manager, but your position is that they can't perform Addition?
Spez: Watched the newer vid you linked. They're suffering an issue so easily solvable that I think I'll explore its protection and assignability, rather than discuss it here. But also, as someone else said, Googtube is "crooked as fuck", and an existence of A doesn't preclude an action of B, it just provides it cover. Many pedes might still recall the three-day period about 10 years ago when Alexa noted how '80% of visitors to essentially every Conservative website suddenly decided to never go there again.' At least according to Alexa's rankings. Per the concept that Trump2020 might have had a 47+ state win, whose to say what objective reality is when the people who announce it are evil and hate you.
Definitely agree with your last paragraph. And there are definitely examples of YouTube rolling back views (YouTubers are very vocal about it since that's their income). Just explaining why something like 31,000 -> 29,000 ->30,500 in a short amount of time is not necessarily concerning.
Posting a wiki link doesn't really help anything. It doesn't explain the problem. Or even addresses it.
Except I explained why it wasn't necessarily a problem and used the link to back up the concept.
I also posted a Tom Scott link elsewhere. Worth a watch and he even shows it happening in real time on Twitter.
That too. Good point.
Look YouTube is owned by Google and crooked as fuck, and no doubt they likely do Nerf Conservative and Trump accounts, however zooty has a valid point. It's been a well established "fact", in that YT has said long ago views do not update in realtime.