It appears that vaccine was not approved by the FDA. You were in Europe during the H1N1 break out? Why are you taking commie vaccines my dude, lmao. But no seriously, I'm sorry that happened to you.
Also, I know that vaccines are not 100% guaranteed safe. It's a My sister's ex father-in-law died from Guillain-Barré after getting a vaccine.
It kills 628 people per year, as opposed to the flu that kills 10s of thousands. Freak accident, and worth the roll of the dice.
This post is mostly addressed to the "Muh AutIsM" people, and the "muh Bill Gates Sterilization" people.
The truth is, I'm genetically predisposed to getting narcolepsy from my grandfather.
If I would have ever gotten sick from ANY virus with a similar structure to endocrine I also would have gotten narcolepsy from that. H1N1 just so happens to be very very similar to endocrine.
I would likely have gotten it eventually, but getting the H1N1 vaccine guaranteed it.
I was not in Europe during H1N1, but that vaccine in particular shows a serious flaw that can come from vaccines -- being that if the virus is similar to a hormone or other essential chemical messenger it will spark an auto-immune attack like what we now know causes narcolepsy.
Just because Pandemrix didn't pass go with the FDA doesn't mean that others that did get approved don't also have these same problems.
My fear for the Covid vaccine is that, since they are using xRNA modifying techniques, it will cause the offspring of someone who did get the vaccine and someone who didn't get the vaccine to have sterile 'mule' children.
Bill Gates says he wants population control, that is a non-violent way to get it done and won't be detected until about two generations from now.
The vaccines are being rushed to market with little expediated testing. If you want to see similar examples of what happens when you fail to test a drug, check out thalidomide.
The vaccine trials have been shown to be flawed with people not following proper protocol for being participants. Such as getting Covid tests to see if they got the placebo or not.
The vaccines have a lower chance of being successful than the actual survival rates of the disease.
The vaccine is an RNA vaccine which is meant to change YOUR DNA in order to combat the virus. Something that has NEVER been properly tested before.
I will adamantly refuse to take the Covid vaccines as they are now. They are a new class of untested vaccine, while the covid vaccine has received very few testing itself. I am fine with other vaccinations.
Edit: I almost forgot that the makers of the vaccine are free of liability for the covid one. Very suspicious.
A few quick things. The vaccine development got completely shut down because 1 single person had side effects... which turned out to be unrelated. That in itself shows that the system works.
Your next point, however, is a huge misunderstanding.
It's true that the vaccine has a lower chance of being successful than the survival rate, but you're thinking about this all wrong. Vaccines stop you from getting sick in the first place. You're comparing two completely different figures.
Think about something like Measles. If you get the measles vaccine, you just don't get measles. So comparing the survival rate of Measles to the effectiveness of the Measles vaccine... that just makes zero sense.
Next: mRNA vaccines do NOT change your DNA!!!! They don't even enter your cell's nucleus. This is incredibly, extremely false. the mRNA is made to resemble unique characteristics of the virus. When it enters your body, your cells reproduce it, then attack it, and in the process learn how to destroy the virus.
SAFETY: None of the safety protocols are being skipped. Rather, the process has been sped up because of the MASSIVE funding. IE, manufacturing ready to go before the vaccine is even developed, doing phase 1 and phase 2 in parallel, doing human and animal studies in parallel, etc.
It's like building a car, but instead of building each part one at a time you have 100 people each make a piece then put it together. All the safety tests at the end are the SAME.
A big thing about side effects is that there isn't any clear evidence of long term side effects because it is far too new. Adverse reactions in a small number of people should be expected, but if that number keeps growing, then it should be questioned. Rushed medical treatments for approval should be heavily scrutinized. For example the fear of causing infertility or other problems with the Gates funded vaccine and his fetish for eugenics and human depopulation. Very suspicious.
My big point of comparing the successes of the the vaccine and the virus is the fact that why introduce something to your body which could potentially cause harm to you when your body could easily defend against the problem the vaccine is supposed to solve? Of course, this would be a different consideration for high risk individuals. I'm talking more about risk ratios. (Also, of course vaccines aren't meant to make you sick. That would be silly. The measles vaccine has a virus strand that is heavily nuked so its barely alive so it can't cause problems). I would personally take my chances with the virus. Also, I would consider a failed vaccine administration that gives no immunity to be an adverse reaction to the vaccine.
This is actually the first time ive heard that the covid vac is supposed to be a messenger RNA vaccine, so that makes me feel a little better, but I would still not recommend it. mRNA vaccines in generaly are still not tested enough for my liking. Plus, who knows what could happen if people's cells decide to uptake the mRNA and start translating it...
Also, I know that safety protocols aren't being skipped (but they are definitely expedited), but rather that there has been evidence that some participants have been spoiling their results by breaking the double blind protocol. Just more confounding variables.
Using your car analogy. The way the covid vaccines are being tested now is like having people test the cars for 1000 miles. Its still unknown what could happen up to 10000 miles. If the covid vaccines become more well tested after public circulation and are shown to be safe, I would then consider taking it. Until then, I'll let the sheep take it first, or as Bill Gates' wife says, "Let the blacks and minorities take it first." Until then, differing opinions (such as yours and mine) are perfectly fine since that is what science is all about.
y'know.... fair enough. To be honest this only turned into a COVID thread accidentally, it was mostly in response to someone bitching about how we had a COVID vaccine after a year but haven't cured cancer yet. "muh AuTisM" etc.....
I've seen a loooot of anti-vaxxers in the conservative crowd and just wanted other people out there to know they aren't crazy for not being scared of them (as a general concept, not necessarily covid-1984)
This is one example, there are others but I'm not going to keep feeding info to people that already blindly trust whatever pops up in their news feed. Trust the narrative, remain terrified, stay home. I don't give a fuck
Note that the link you just sent me indicates that the virus was spread through the feces of people who got the vaccine due to poor sanitation. They did not get the virus from the vaccine directly.
Let me get this straight....
Massive polio vaccine campaign eradicates polio --> Limited outbreak due to bad sanitation practices ---> Vaccines are unsafe?
Compare the # of polio cases before people were vaccinated to the # after. Clearly it is a MASSIVE net benefit.
I am far from scared of COVID-1984, I know that lockdowns need to end immediately and all of the COVID numbers are inflated and bogus.
Listen you asked for an example of an unsafe vaccine and you got one, you can question it till the cows come home idgaf.
My initial point was most of us aren't anti vaccinations we are pro safe vaccinations and it is not unreasonable to question the safety of a rushed vaccine which in all likelihood will be mandatory, not by force but by social pressure/denial of commerce, therefore creating an environment where the manufacturer and the dispensary companies stand to make more money than you could possibly imagine as billions of people are made to purchase it. These are for- profit companies. It isn't a stretch of the imagination to think there could be safety issues in the mad dash to see whoever gets their vaccine out first, because whoever is first is going to be unfathomably rich.
Debating topics with sheep isn't a productive use of my time but maybe others will read this and open their minds to the possibility that the scientific community isn't immune to greed.
The vaccine was developed quickly because of development steps done in parallel, IE animal tests done at the same time as human tests, phase 1 and phase 2 done simultaneously. Also, manufacturing infrastructure was ready to go before the virus was even developed.
This was enabled by MASSIVE funding from the government. None of the safety steps were skipped.
A vaccine developed in months is rushed, and neither you or I are the ones developing it so you can tell me no safety steps were skipped (even though thats not what we are questioning, we are questioning whether it will produce unsafe reactions in people and you know that) all you like. Your opinion matters as much to me as mine does to you
As I said elsewhere, this only accidentally became about COVID-1984 vaccine. It was originally targeted at people who vaccinate their kids etc, to let them know they aren't alone. Lots of "muh autism" etc. in the conservative crowd.
Very true, however I’d argue not all vaccines are necessary for all people. I live in America and I’ve never received a malaria vaccine, for example, because my risk is virtually nil. While it’s likely very safe, I think it’s perfectly valid to not get it if you don’t feel you’re at risk.
You are comparing two completely unrelated figures.
Vaccines prevent you from getting the illness in the first place.
Think about something like the Measles. If you get the measles vaccine, you just don't get the measles.
So in the case of something like COVID, which has, let's say, a 2% death rate for very sick and very old people... If the vaccine has a 95% effectiveness rate, then their risk of death if they are exposed to the virus goes from 2% to 0.1%
High risk individuals it would make a significant difference and would be viable. But... with people in all the low risk groups, the vaccine would provide a negligible difference to their survival rate.
Using your maths, elderly (70+) with about a 5.4% death rate (from recent rates) would be reduced to 0.54% death rate, which would be good change for those groups.
However... go to 20-49 year olds, who have a 0.02% death rate, it would drop that to 0.002%. Even worse, go to under 19 years old and the vaccine would change the 0.003% death rate to 0.0003%. The numbers are so small already that its relatively negligible.
To make things even more stupid, factor in the fact that the CDC recently claimed that they they over 100m people have been infected by the virus and the death rates drop even lower.
I don't think it's typically about the merits of vaccines -- but about the government being able to dictate what vaccines we MUST have.
Yeah... the corona "vaccine" isn't really a vaccine, but rather an mRNA modifier. The concoction contains NO dead virons
It is a vaccine in that it stimulates the production of antibodies.
Vaccines do not by necessity contain dead virus material.
What if I told you most people aren't anti vax, they're pro safe vax?
Can you give me an example of an unsafe vaccine?
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/history/narcolepsy-flu.html
As someone who got an H1N1 vaccine and now has narcolepsy, there are some problems with them if they are made poorly.
It appears that vaccine was not approved by the FDA. You were in Europe during the H1N1 break out? Why are you taking commie vaccines my dude, lmao. But no seriously, I'm sorry that happened to you.
Also, I know that vaccines are not 100% guaranteed safe. It's a My sister's ex father-in-law died from Guillain-Barré after getting a vaccine.
It kills 628 people per year, as opposed to the flu that kills 10s of thousands. Freak accident, and worth the roll of the dice.
This post is mostly addressed to the "Muh AutIsM" people, and the "muh Bill Gates Sterilization" people.
The truth is, I'm genetically predisposed to getting narcolepsy from my grandfather.
If I would have ever gotten sick from ANY virus with a similar structure to endocrine I also would have gotten narcolepsy from that. H1N1 just so happens to be very very similar to endocrine.
I would likely have gotten it eventually, but getting the H1N1 vaccine guaranteed it.
I was not in Europe during H1N1, but that vaccine in particular shows a serious flaw that can come from vaccines -- being that if the virus is similar to a hormone or other essential chemical messenger it will spark an auto-immune attack like what we now know causes narcolepsy.
Just because Pandemrix didn't pass go with the FDA doesn't mean that others that did get approved don't also have these same problems.
My fear for the Covid vaccine is that, since they are using xRNA modifying techniques, it will cause the offspring of someone who did get the vaccine and someone who didn't get the vaccine to have sterile 'mule' children.
Bill Gates says he wants population control, that is a non-violent way to get it done and won't be detected until about two generations from now.
The upcoming Covid vaccines.
And you can cite something to demonstrate that it is unsafe? I'm sure that you wouldn't say that if you had no evidence.
How about we have a completely different legal system just for vaccine injury. That rigged system pays out billions every year.
The vaccines are being rushed to market with little expediated testing. If you want to see similar examples of what happens when you fail to test a drug, check out thalidomide.
The vaccine trials have been shown to be flawed with people not following proper protocol for being participants. Such as getting Covid tests to see if they got the placebo or not.
The vaccines have a lower chance of being successful than the actual survival rates of the disease.
The vaccine is an RNA vaccine which is meant to change YOUR DNA in order to combat the virus. Something that has NEVER been properly tested before.
I will adamantly refuse to take the Covid vaccines as they are now. They are a new class of untested vaccine, while the covid vaccine has received very few testing itself. I am fine with other vaccinations.
Edit: I almost forgot that the makers of the vaccine are free of liability for the covid one. Very suspicious.
A few quick things. The vaccine development got completely shut down because 1 single person had side effects... which turned out to be unrelated. That in itself shows that the system works.
Your next point, however, is a huge misunderstanding.
It's true that the vaccine has a lower chance of being successful than the survival rate, but you're thinking about this all wrong. Vaccines stop you from getting sick in the first place. You're comparing two completely different figures.
Think about something like Measles. If you get the measles vaccine, you just don't get measles. So comparing the survival rate of Measles to the effectiveness of the Measles vaccine... that just makes zero sense.
Next: mRNA vaccines do NOT change your DNA!!!! They don't even enter your cell's nucleus. This is incredibly, extremely false. the mRNA is made to resemble unique characteristics of the virus. When it enters your body, your cells reproduce it, then attack it, and in the process learn how to destroy the virus.
SAFETY: None of the safety protocols are being skipped. Rather, the process has been sped up because of the MASSIVE funding. IE, manufacturing ready to go before the vaccine is even developed, doing phase 1 and phase 2 in parallel, doing human and animal studies in parallel, etc.
It's like building a car, but instead of building each part one at a time you have 100 people each make a piece then put it together. All the safety tests at the end are the SAME.
A big thing about side effects is that there isn't any clear evidence of long term side effects because it is far too new. Adverse reactions in a small number of people should be expected, but if that number keeps growing, then it should be questioned. Rushed medical treatments for approval should be heavily scrutinized. For example the fear of causing infertility or other problems with the Gates funded vaccine and his fetish for eugenics and human depopulation. Very suspicious.
My big point of comparing the successes of the the vaccine and the virus is the fact that why introduce something to your body which could potentially cause harm to you when your body could easily defend against the problem the vaccine is supposed to solve? Of course, this would be a different consideration for high risk individuals. I'm talking more about risk ratios. (Also, of course vaccines aren't meant to make you sick. That would be silly. The measles vaccine has a virus strand that is heavily nuked so its barely alive so it can't cause problems). I would personally take my chances with the virus. Also, I would consider a failed vaccine administration that gives no immunity to be an adverse reaction to the vaccine.
This is actually the first time ive heard that the covid vac is supposed to be a messenger RNA vaccine, so that makes me feel a little better, but I would still not recommend it. mRNA vaccines in generaly are still not tested enough for my liking. Plus, who knows what could happen if people's cells decide to uptake the mRNA and start translating it...
Also, I know that safety protocols aren't being skipped (but they are definitely expedited), but rather that there has been evidence that some participants have been spoiling their results by breaking the double blind protocol. Just more confounding variables.
Using your car analogy. The way the covid vaccines are being tested now is like having people test the cars for 1000 miles. Its still unknown what could happen up to 10000 miles. If the covid vaccines become more well tested after public circulation and are shown to be safe, I would then consider taking it. Until then, I'll let the sheep take it first, or as Bill Gates' wife says, "Let the blacks and minorities take it first." Until then, differing opinions (such as yours and mine) are perfectly fine since that is what science is all about.
y'know.... fair enough. To be honest this only turned into a COVID thread accidentally, it was mostly in response to someone bitching about how we had a COVID vaccine after a year but haven't cured cancer yet. "muh AuTisM" etc.....
I've seen a loooot of anti-vaxxers in the conservative crowd and just wanted other people out there to know they aren't crazy for not being scared of them (as a general concept, not necessarily covid-1984)
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/sep/02/vaccine-derived-polio-spreads-in-africa-after-defeat-of-wild-virus
This is one example, there are others but I'm not going to keep feeding info to people that already blindly trust whatever pops up in their news feed. Trust the narrative, remain terrified, stay home. I don't give a fuck
Note that the link you just sent me indicates that the virus was spread through the feces of people who got the vaccine due to poor sanitation. They did not get the virus from the vaccine directly.
Let me get this straight....
Massive polio vaccine campaign eradicates polio --> Limited outbreak due to bad sanitation practices ---> Vaccines are unsafe?
Compare the # of polio cases before people were vaccinated to the # after. Clearly it is a MASSIVE net benefit.
I am far from scared of COVID-1984, I know that lockdowns need to end immediately and all of the COVID numbers are inflated and bogus.
Listen you asked for an example of an unsafe vaccine and you got one, you can question it till the cows come home idgaf.
My initial point was most of us aren't anti vaccinations we are pro safe vaccinations and it is not unreasonable to question the safety of a rushed vaccine which in all likelihood will be mandatory, not by force but by social pressure/denial of commerce, therefore creating an environment where the manufacturer and the dispensary companies stand to make more money than you could possibly imagine as billions of people are made to purchase it. These are for- profit companies. It isn't a stretch of the imagination to think there could be safety issues in the mad dash to see whoever gets their vaccine out first, because whoever is first is going to be unfathomably rich.
Debating topics with sheep isn't a productive use of my time but maybe others will read this and open their minds to the possibility that the scientific community isn't immune to greed.
The vaccine was developed quickly because of development steps done in parallel, IE animal tests done at the same time as human tests, phase 1 and phase 2 done simultaneously. Also, manufacturing infrastructure was ready to go before the virus was even developed.
This was enabled by MASSIVE funding from the government. None of the safety steps were skipped.
A vaccine developed in months is rushed, and neither you or I are the ones developing it so you can tell me no safety steps were skipped (even though thats not what we are questioning, we are questioning whether it will produce unsafe reactions in people and you know that) all you like. Your opinion matters as much to me as mine does to you
As I said elsewhere, this only accidentally became about COVID-1984 vaccine. It was originally targeted at people who vaccinate their kids etc, to let them know they aren't alone. Lots of "muh autism" etc. in the conservative crowd.
Mandatory vaccination: sketch.
Vaccines: Not sketch
Very true, however I’d argue not all vaccines are necessary for all people. I live in America and I’ve never received a malaria vaccine, for example, because my risk is virtually nil. While it’s likely very safe, I think it’s perfectly valid to not get it if you don’t feel you’re at risk.
100% true!! That vaccine should go to someone who needs it!
No ANTI-vax, I just don't belive we need a vaccine for every virus or illness that comes out. Herd immunity should be the FIRST line of defense
You don't want a 90% effective vaccine for a virus with a 99.999% survival rate? YOU GRANNY KILLER!!! /s
You are comparing two completely unrelated figures.
Vaccines prevent you from getting the illness in the first place.
Think about something like the Measles. If you get the measles vaccine, you just don't get the measles.
So in the case of something like COVID, which has, let's say, a 2% death rate for very sick and very old people... If the vaccine has a 95% effectiveness rate, then their risk of death if they are exposed to the virus goes from 2% to 0.1%
High risk individuals it would make a significant difference and would be viable. But... with people in all the low risk groups, the vaccine would provide a negligible difference to their survival rate.
Using your maths, elderly (70+) with about a 5.4% death rate (from recent rates) would be reduced to 0.54% death rate, which would be good change for those groups.
However... go to 20-49 year olds, who have a 0.02% death rate, it would drop that to 0.002%. Even worse, go to under 19 years old and the vaccine would change the 0.003% death rate to 0.0003%. The numbers are so small already that its relatively negligible.
To make things even more stupid, factor in the fact that the CDC recently claimed that they they over 100m people have been infected by the virus and the death rates drop even lower.
You get a vaccine based on lethality and chance of impairment from the disease itself.
Risk vs benefit.
You can be supportive of vaccine and ANTI COVID 19 vaccination.
You fucking educate yourself.
Likewise with adults who choose not to!
But parents whose children die of preventable illness because they were counting on herd immunity and got unlucky.... They can get rekt.
I mean, yes. They're free to make that choice. But simultaneously they are terrible.