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Democrats support this. Biden's staff and Democrats in Congress have said they support this. They stated their reasoning. They are furious that big tech has not done enough to censor conservatives during the election. Conservatives were running rampant with election interference misinformation according to them, and they need to be silenced.
If anyone thinks I'm joking or making this up, I'm not. Beware
I believe you, it's part of their gaslighting strategy. Let's censor all the conservatives, and then fake outrage that they WEREN'T being censored. CLOWN REALITY
So, I think you're missing the point. They're going to remove the protections of Section 230. So, Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram will still exist, they just won't be able to censor people any more. After their Rule 230 protections are removed, if they censor you, you'll be able to sue them and put them out of business.
There's only one protection offered by Rule 230. It prevents you from filing suit against the content provider. (Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc.) The assumption was that the content provider would act as a "platform", and not censor content, and not be liable for the content published. Instead, they censor people, and can't be sued. They're acting as a publisher, not a platform.
Your solution does not work, just so we're clear. If you hold the content providers liable for what the people say, then they go out of business, or they censor content.
There is only one protection in Section 230. It prevents the internet companies from being sued for publishing something that might be false/defamatory. That's the only reason Section 230 exists.
Yeah the only "bipartisan" support is on this topic, but for very different reasons. Democrats do not think free speech is acceptable. They are upset Trump and his supporters are able to have a voice/platform. Conservatives are rightfully upset with the hypocrisy and censorship of one party. I love Trump and I damn sure believe these companies should be held accountable and Sec 230 is bullshit as is... I am scared of repealing it though. It seems like FB and Twitter are each ok with Sec 230 being repealed and that should scare everyone on the right. The left can't compete with the right on merits, therefore the only option is to deny them the ability to communicate with the voters.
It’s sounds very familiar, in the UK the BBC has been attacked by the conservatives saying they are corrupt and are run by Neo Liberals and the left attack the BBC for broadcasting anything conservative.
True, but I think the point of the antitrust is all of the pies FB and Google have their fingers in, i.e. they are their own advertising agencies on top all of the social and media stuff they do. When it comes to the editorializing of user content, that where the argument for stripping away Section 230 protections comes into play for ALL of them.
Twitter is the current top level enemy. They clamped down into what is only akin to a China communist communication black out when people needed to communicate most.
230 protects minds, gab, parler, bitchute, and all the other alt tech sites. The problem isn't 230. The problem is a too loose idea of what 230 protects and no enforcement when social media act like publishers.
The idea was to provide an exemption for light moderation so the sites could remove spam, gore, and the like. However, tech companies now claim that reasonable opinions fall in the same category.
private forums have mods that can delete shit. public squares are not supposed to have that. a public square is basically what the name implies, a public square. It may be digital, but in theory, it should have the protections that our constitution guarantees us. In practice, it currently does not.
Private forum, different laws governing it. It's not illegal to tell a unwashed little turd from the underbelly of the internet to fuck off, and revoke their right to post, if they violate the rules. A public square is a different jurisdiction and set of laws. I'd believe deporting trolls would fall under the concept of a store reserving the right to refuse to do business with anyone.
I remember when the 230 talks began. It wasn't about repealing the law. It was about not letting the social media companies hide behind it when they acted as content moderators and censor their organic content to create a story or sell a political narrative.
Repealing for those who abuse it is perhaps best left up to the courts as an enforcement of regulation. Section 230 protection is their defense when Breitbart sues them for hiding them from search results or NY Post sues them for deleting a link to their article. The courts merely need to say section 230 protection do not apply and let the lawsuits proceed.
Alex Jones broke no law, and was deleted from all platforms in a coordinated fashion. If the courts have balls, AJ should get a sizeable chunk of the tech companies in litigation - his livelihood was sacrificed for political reasons.
I think the Big Techs should be required to form some sort of charter where they declare they're a publisher or a platform. Seems like that would make enforcement of the existing law a lot easier.
I'd never thought of it like that. I think we need 230 reform, not necessarily repealing the entire section. Because as long as a platform takes a reasonable attempt to remove terrorism or threats, illegal shit then they can't be liable for every single thing that a user posts. Now what is "reasonable" is up to interpretation of course. Maybe it depends on the judge.
And magically the right people will be paid off or removed and it will silently be settled for a couple of billion dollars. Thus never being spoke of again
Not this time.. This isn't about money.. President Trump is going to solve this Big tech censorship thing. He has multiple tools in his bag to do it with. This is just the first tool .
This is most likely the source of the ire, and antitrust is the hammer they have available to threaten with. One conservative group still on Facebook = Facebook is 100% haram. It's a big own-goal, if true, though. People might start to remember that antitrust is a thing.
Not to be a doomer but isn't that just a repeat of what happened to Microsoft? And they seem to still be doing fine, I could be wrong. But companies that big seem to just shrug off the government.
It was extraordinarily stupid and if the same precedents were held today for Google and Apple for their mobile apps and operating systems things would be very different.
I get the feeling it was Clinton intimidation directed at Gates to push him to join them or see how much of a hell the government could make life for him and his company.
Too little too late. Every day I watch more evidence of fraud and corruption and every morning my local news ignores it or talks about it as if it was a joke.
at this point, big tech is a new branch of government aka The Ministry of Truth. good luck putting that genie back into the bottle, they done gone global now.
all the branches are in play now. big tech= ministry of truth. city police departments/mask karens = ministry of love (it will get much worse watch). corrupt generals in the military getting involved in nonsensical foreign wars = ministry of peace. endless lockdowns and cut supply chains enforced by corrupt politicians = ministry of plenty.
its all real. george orwell saw straight into our future.
I don't see this as being a positive unless they're going to shut down FaceBook completely.
I see this as being a tool to add more censorship and restrictions of free speech. They'll get slapped because they're not doing ENOUGH to get rid of 'extremists' and 'undesirables'. Like that one cunt in the senate hearing was upset because Twitter and FaceBook haven't done enough to shut Trump up. That shit left me actually speechless to hear that. Like, wow. This is how far we've sunken. This is how childish our politicians are. They want MORE censorship and banning.
And for what? Because people don't believe the election was valid? No shit, it's not valid. Look around. It's pretty transparent for anyone to see. People questioning the election process damages the country? No, it's the election process that damages the company. Not the questioning of it. It's these 11th hour changes to voting that weren't adopted as law or amended in the state constitution that hurts confidence.
I don't give a fuck what happens, Biden will never be seen as a legit president. Ever. And no matter what, anything he says will be ignored by over 80 million people. This makes America look so bad to the world. The world knows he stole it. You think they're going to respect someone like Biden? They're not. But I can tell you that they respect Trump. Because he earned their respect. I honestly wonder if Biden comprehends that? That he's not going to be treated seriously by the world or his own country. I would seriously pay good fucking money to see him heckled at public appearances or have an actually honest journalist just berate the fuck out of him with questions. Yeah, he'll get escorted out, but it'd make Biden look like the fucking clown he is.
We seriously need to consider invoking the Insurrection Act and locking all this shit down until we figure out what the fuck happened. It's going to look bad. It's going to look REAL bad. But this might be the only way. Lock the government down with the Insurrection Act. Scare the FUCK out them. Then tell them in no uncertain terms that we're gonna get to the bottom of this election fuckery, no matter how long it takes. If it turns out the President lost, then alright. Insurrection Act lifted and Trump walks. But IF it turns out that Biden cheated, tribunals get set up and heads begin to roll. And we WILL find you. And you WILL face judgement. If you don't want your head on the chopping block when the time comes, it's in their best interests to step forward right now, because the door is closing. These fucking pieces of shit don't remember what fear is. They need to be reminded of it. They need to understand that it's not a bluff.
Democrats think we're just going to whine then go away. That we're not going to do anything about it. Because they think they hold the cards. Invoke the Insurrection Act. Show them this shit isn't a fucking game and we're not bluffing. We're going to smoke them out and if they're not on our side, they're our fucking enemy that needs to be put down. Democrats threaten riots. Republicans need to threaten civil war and follow through on that threat.
the mask is completely off. the democrat party is literally just a full blown tyrannical communist party, punishing american citizens and killing them in some cases. let not forget about the mass graves in new york. the question is why is it being allowed to happen? I know we got trump and the military but how much longer do we have to get tyrannized like this
Despite the FB fuckery and bullshit and that I don't personally fuck with it.
It is the one conservatives do really well on and the one most normal people are likely to use. It's not a space the leftists dominate and are always screaming for more censorship on.
Nuking it is likely an overall tactical mistake in decreasing the connectivity of the likely largest conservative communication and info sharing(censored as it may be) network
I deleted my Facebook account the day after the election. I am curious if they actually delete it all? Years of posts disappeared, so I am told by friends. My one account won't hurt them but it sure made me feel good. If I had a twitter account, I would have deleted it as well. Dumped my Reddit account when this one went live a year ago. Parler is the way to go now. No more Fox News. Newsmax filled that spot. I can almost sleep all night again. God bless and keep Trump safe.
It was great seeing pictures of my family and friends, and posts about what they were up to. But I had to leave. I can’t support Facebook and their globalist shenanigans. If anyone has a suggestion on how we can regroup somewhere online, I’d love to hear it. Parler isn’t it.
As much as I hate Facebook and Zuckerberg, I’ve always wondered why they/him see to be the fall guy for all of big tech. It seems kind of strange to me.
blackmail maybe. or they're just evil. it seems when you have unlimited power and money it really does rot your soul and you just do evil shit for the fuck of it. zucker looks like a fucking robot and dorsey literally look like bin laden now. they transformed into monsters
Zucks pockets are so deep. Look at the cities he gave 300M+ money to for “covid protections” that basically set up ballot harvesting operations. Lawsuits came in and he was like meh here’s another 100M in which some will be used to fight lawsuits
It BEGINS!!!!! First Facebook then Twitter and Google.. President Trump has multiple ways to take them down .. .. You don't think President Trump didn't have anything to do with this or knew it was coming??? The 230 is just one of President Trump's tools to go after facebook twitter and google. They messed with the wrong President thsi time!!
Hopefully twitter and google also..
They all need to be dismantled and burnt to the ground*
FTFY
Democrats support this. Biden's staff and Democrats in Congress have said they support this. They stated their reasoning. They are furious that big tech has not done enough to censor conservatives during the election. Conservatives were running rampant with election interference misinformation according to them, and they need to be silenced.
If anyone thinks I'm joking or making this up, I'm not. Beware
I believe you, it's part of their gaslighting strategy. Let's censor all the conservatives, and then fake outrage that they WEREN'T being censored. CLOWN REALITY
So, I think you're missing the point. They're going to remove the protections of Section 230. So, Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram will still exist, they just won't be able to censor people any more. After their Rule 230 protections are removed, if they censor you, you'll be able to sue them and put them out of business.
There's only one protection offered by Rule 230. It prevents you from filing suit against the content provider. (Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc.) The assumption was that the content provider would act as a "platform", and not censor content, and not be liable for the content published. Instead, they censor people, and can't be sued. They're acting as a publisher, not a platform.
Your solution does not work, just so we're clear. If you hold the content providers liable for what the people say, then they go out of business, or they censor content.
There is only one protection in Section 230. It prevents the internet companies from being sued for publishing something that might be false/defamatory. That's the only reason Section 230 exists.
Yeah the only "bipartisan" support is on this topic, but for very different reasons. Democrats do not think free speech is acceptable. They are upset Trump and his supporters are able to have a voice/platform. Conservatives are rightfully upset with the hypocrisy and censorship of one party. I love Trump and I damn sure believe these companies should be held accountable and Sec 230 is bullshit as is... I am scared of repealing it though. It seems like FB and Twitter are each ok with Sec 230 being repealed and that should scare everyone on the right. The left can't compete with the right on merits, therefore the only option is to deny them the ability to communicate with the voters.
It’s sounds very familiar, in the UK the BBC has been attacked by the conservatives saying they are corrupt and are run by Neo Liberals and the left attack the BBC for broadcasting anything conservative.
exactly this. big tech has become a chinese cyber-war platform. never should have let it get like this. thank god for infosec
Google also has pending antitrust suits against them too.
Twitter, not so much. They're at the moment simply a messaging service where Facebook and Google are literally trying to do everything.
I don’t social network but doesn’t Twitter put some kind of “Trumps lying” note on anything election related?
They need a whippin’ too!!
True, but I think the point of the antitrust is all of the pies FB and Google have their fingers in, i.e. they are their own advertising agencies on top all of the social and media stuff they do. When it comes to the editorializing of user content, that where the argument for stripping away Section 230 protections comes into play for ALL of them.
Facebook managed to piss off both sides of the fence. Conservatives by censoring them, and regressives by not censoring us enough.
Twitter is the current top level enemy. They clamped down into what is only akin to a China communist communication black out when people needed to communicate most.
All of the idiotic “fact checking” bullshit
Should be all 57 states filing suit. What's the holdup?
57...?
Enjoy.
Reference to Barry--smartest guy ever--who claimed to have been to all 57 states.
Well.
230 doesn't need to be destroyed if we can actually force the courts to properly define it and have it enforced properly.
Checkmate libshits.
230 protects minds, gab, parler, bitchute, and all the other alt tech sites. The problem isn't 230. The problem is a too loose idea of what 230 protects and no enforcement when social media act like publishers.
The idea was to provide an exemption for light moderation so the sites could remove spam, gore, and the like. However, tech companies now claim that reasonable opinions fall in the same category.
SpEaCh Is ViOlEnCe!1!1!
Make it to where they can only remove stuff that violates US law.
In other words, enforce the laws on the books. Which is a struggle for Democrats, always. They just demand new laws, so they can slip poison pills in.
We could have closed borders - if the existing laws were enforced.
We'd have fair elections - if existing laws were enforced.
We'd have far less abuse of lobbies - if the existing laws were enforced.
We'd have far less campaign finance abuse - if existing laws were enforced.
I could go on.
TD is a forum, not a public square.
private forums have mods that can delete shit. public squares are not supposed to have that. a public square is basically what the name implies, a public square. It may be digital, but in theory, it should have the protections that our constitution guarantees us. In practice, it currently does not.
Private forum, different laws governing it. It's not illegal to tell a unwashed little turd from the underbelly of the internet to fuck off, and revoke their right to post, if they violate the rules. A public square is a different jurisdiction and set of laws. I'd believe deporting trolls would fall under the concept of a store reserving the right to refuse to do business with anyone.
Classify them as a common carrier, like a phone company.
I remember when the 230 talks began. It wasn't about repealing the law. It was about not letting the social media companies hide behind it when they acted as content moderators and censor their organic content to create a story or sell a political narrative.
Repealing for those who abuse it is perhaps best left up to the courts as an enforcement of regulation. Section 230 protection is their defense when Breitbart sues them for hiding them from search results or NY Post sues them for deleting a link to their article. The courts merely need to say section 230 protection do not apply and let the lawsuits proceed.
Alex Jones broke no law, and was deleted from all platforms in a coordinated fashion. If the courts have balls, AJ should get a sizeable chunk of the tech companies in litigation - his livelihood was sacrificed for political reasons.
I think the Big Techs should be required to form some sort of charter where they declare they're a publisher or a platform. Seems like that would make enforcement of the existing law a lot easier.
I'd never thought of it like that. I think we need 230 reform, not necessarily repealing the entire section. Because as long as a platform takes a reasonable attempt to remove terrorism or threats, illegal shit then they can't be liable for every single thing that a user posts. Now what is "reasonable" is up to interpretation of course. Maybe it depends on the judge.
And magically the right people will be paid off or removed and it will silently be settled for a couple of billion dollars. Thus never being spoke of again
Not this time.. This isn't about money.. President Trump is going to solve this Big tech censorship thing. He has multiple tools in his bag to do it with. This is just the first tool .
Time to short FB
Like those Discovery channel vids of sharks finding a whale carcass.
40 states involved makes me suspicious that the suit will complain that they haven't banned GEOTUS?
This is most likely the source of the ire, and antitrust is the hammer they have available to threaten with. One conservative group still on Facebook = Facebook is 100% haram. It's a big own-goal, if true, though. People might start to remember that antitrust is a thing.
Not to be a doomer but isn't that just a repeat of what happened to Microsoft? And they seem to still be doing fine, I could be wrong. But companies that big seem to just shrug off the government.
Microsoft just wanted to bundle Internet Explorer with Windows
Facebook wants to bundle Communism in your conversations with grandma
Looking back on it now it seems like a retarded reason for an antitrust suit.
It was extraordinarily stupid and if the same precedents were held today for Google and Apple for their mobile apps and operating systems things would be very different.
I get the feeling it was Clinton intimidation directed at Gates to push him to join them or see how much of a hell the government could make life for him and his company.
It's fun to think how the exact same people who were in power then are still in power now, and they still don't understand computers
Yeah fuck granny, old commy bitch always trying to get me to read marx and shit
Maybe they should include this in their filings...
https://thedonald.win/p/11Ql6TG2WP/who-knew-that-it-was-actually-a-/c/
And they could tweeeeeet about it using Twatter's new, updated, truth-in-advertising-compliant logo:
https://thedonald.win/p/11Ql6TEwSa/much-to-my-happy-surprise-i-foun/c/
Too little too late. Every day I watch more evidence of fraud and corruption and every morning my local news ignores it or talks about it as if it was a joke.
Good to hear! They violate the American people every day! Sick effers
at this point, big tech is a new branch of government aka The Ministry of Truth. good luck putting that genie back into the bottle, they done gone global now.
all the branches are in play now. big tech= ministry of truth. city police departments/mask karens = ministry of love (it will get much worse watch). corrupt generals in the military getting involved in nonsensical foreign wars = ministry of peace. endless lockdowns and cut supply chains enforced by corrupt politicians = ministry of plenty.
its all real. george orwell saw straight into our future.
how many fingers am I holding up Winston?
I left BookFace years ago. My life is so much better without it. Join me!
I hope they pull it, destroy it and erase everything word ever posted. Wipe it until it no longer exist. Its a tool of slavery
Google, Twitter, and Amazon should be on the docket as well. Can't hardly get away from these companies and that's a major problem for America.
Lawsuits mean nothing, arrest C level staff if you want change.
Good, hopefully we can end up with class action lawsuits. I'm still banned. Not that I care but miss triggering koolaid hair commies.
Which ones? Does this include North Carolina?
WE'RE TAKING BACK OUR REPUBLIC!!!!!
Darpa had a budget, pedes are not aware of the origins of FB.
I don't see this as being a positive unless they're going to shut down FaceBook completely.
I see this as being a tool to add more censorship and restrictions of free speech. They'll get slapped because they're not doing ENOUGH to get rid of 'extremists' and 'undesirables'. Like that one cunt in the senate hearing was upset because Twitter and FaceBook haven't done enough to shut Trump up. That shit left me actually speechless to hear that. Like, wow. This is how far we've sunken. This is how childish our politicians are. They want MORE censorship and banning.
And for what? Because people don't believe the election was valid? No shit, it's not valid. Look around. It's pretty transparent for anyone to see. People questioning the election process damages the country? No, it's the election process that damages the company. Not the questioning of it. It's these 11th hour changes to voting that weren't adopted as law or amended in the state constitution that hurts confidence.
I don't give a fuck what happens, Biden will never be seen as a legit president. Ever. And no matter what, anything he says will be ignored by over 80 million people. This makes America look so bad to the world. The world knows he stole it. You think they're going to respect someone like Biden? They're not. But I can tell you that they respect Trump. Because he earned their respect. I honestly wonder if Biden comprehends that? That he's not going to be treated seriously by the world or his own country. I would seriously pay good fucking money to see him heckled at public appearances or have an actually honest journalist just berate the fuck out of him with questions. Yeah, he'll get escorted out, but it'd make Biden look like the fucking clown he is.
We seriously need to consider invoking the Insurrection Act and locking all this shit down until we figure out what the fuck happened. It's going to look bad. It's going to look REAL bad. But this might be the only way. Lock the government down with the Insurrection Act. Scare the FUCK out them. Then tell them in no uncertain terms that we're gonna get to the bottom of this election fuckery, no matter how long it takes. If it turns out the President lost, then alright. Insurrection Act lifted and Trump walks. But IF it turns out that Biden cheated, tribunals get set up and heads begin to roll. And we WILL find you. And you WILL face judgement. If you don't want your head on the chopping block when the time comes, it's in their best interests to step forward right now, because the door is closing. These fucking pieces of shit don't remember what fear is. They need to be reminded of it. They need to understand that it's not a bluff.
Democrats think we're just going to whine then go away. That we're not going to do anything about it. Because they think they hold the cards. Invoke the Insurrection Act. Show them this shit isn't a fucking game and we're not bluffing. We're going to smoke them out and if they're not on our side, they're our fucking enemy that needs to be put down. Democrats threaten riots. Republicans need to threaten civil war and follow through on that threat.
the mask is completely off. the democrat party is literally just a full blown tyrannical communist party, punishing american citizens and killing them in some cases. let not forget about the mass graves in new york. the question is why is it being allowed to happen? I know we got trump and the military but how much longer do we have to get tyrannized like this
GET FACEBOOK THE FUCK UP OUT OF HERE 🔥
Burn it down!
Despite the FB fuckery and bullshit and that I don't personally fuck with it.
It is the one conservatives do really well on and the one most normal people are likely to use. It's not a space the leftists dominate and are always screaming for more censorship on.
Nuking it is likely an overall tactical mistake in decreasing the connectivity of the likely largest conservative communication and info sharing(censored as it may be) network
RID - rest in decimation
Rest in shit fb, ya dirty cunts.
I deleted my Facebook account the day after the election. I am curious if they actually delete it all? Years of posts disappeared, so I am told by friends. My one account won't hurt them but it sure made me feel good. If I had a twitter account, I would have deleted it as well. Dumped my Reddit account when this one went live a year ago. Parler is the way to go now. No more Fox News. Newsmax filled that spot. I can almost sleep all night again. God bless and keep Trump safe.
It can take up to 90 days and even then I don’t think your data is ever deleted.. hidden? Maybe.
KILL 230
It was great seeing pictures of my family and friends, and posts about what they were up to. But I had to leave. I can’t support Facebook and their globalist shenanigans. If anyone has a suggestion on how we can regroup somewhere online, I’d love to hear it. Parler isn’t it.
rip = rip in pieces cuckerberg KEK
Can't find which states of course, other than NY. What shitty reporting.
Which are the other 10 states?
Well they still are international. My only worry is that I won't be able to talk to friends around the world like Japan and Korea.
Can’t happen soon enough. Social media brainwashed millions.
As much as I hate Facebook and Zuckerberg, I’ve always wondered why they/him see to be the fall guy for all of big tech. It seems kind of strange to me.
blackmail maybe. or they're just evil. it seems when you have unlimited power and money it really does rot your soul and you just do evil shit for the fuck of it. zucker looks like a fucking robot and dorsey literally look like bin laden now. they transformed into monsters
Good, fuck that Reptilian looking goof who owns it.
Rest in pieces, Zuck you fuck.
FUCK EM
Please baby Jesus, let it happen! I will toast marshmallows on the flames of a burning Facebook.
Zucks pockets are so deep. Look at the cities he gave 300M+ money to for “covid protections” that basically set up ballot harvesting operations. Lawsuits came in and he was like meh here’s another 100M in which some will be used to fight lawsuits
Hopefully Facebook, Google (expressly) and Twitter get broken up like AT&T did in the 1980s. They all have a monopoly.
It BEGINS!!!!! First Facebook then Twitter and Google.. President Trump has multiple ways to take them down .. .. You don't think President Trump didn't have anything to do with this or knew it was coming??? The 230 is just one of President Trump's tools to go after facebook twitter and google. They messed with the wrong President thsi time!!