Why aren't you seeing this for what it is? THEY PROSECUTED OUR PEOPLE FOR GETTING THE HILLARY EMAILS FROM THE RUSSIANS, INCLUDING ACCUSING TRUMP OF INSTIGATING IT, & INVESTIGATED HIM FOR 3 YEARS, WHEN THEY'RE THE ONES WHO DID IT! HOLY CRAP THIS IS BIG!
Exactly. I always try to read these and play devil's advocate, and ask myself how will the fake news cover it...what questions would they ask & how would they spin it. So, with that in mind, I thought maybe they could claim "our guys" meant the guys that they were investigating. But, let's get real. If they had evidence that anybody associated with the Trump team did this, it would have come out long ago. They wouldn't have even required a Mueller team if they had evidence of this as it occurred.
I am left to conclude that the ONLY thing this could imply is that it was the FBI that did this, and that opens up a whole other line of questions, but 2 huge questions stick out in my mind. Why would the FBI do this? If the FBI did this, what emails would they have kept to themselves and why?
I'm of the opinion that this move allowed them to control both Presidential candidates. They would have kept the more criminal emails concerning the Clinton campaign to themselves to control her and released a set through Wikileaks to show they were serious. They attempted to frame the Trump campaign for the hack activity after he won, in an attempt to control him...it didn't work.
So, now think through why didn't the DNC let the FBI have access to the server to "investigate"?
I don't think the intent was to control Trump as much as it was to control the narrative and box him in, which worked very well with the support of their co-conspirators in the MSM. The couldn't get him to do much, but they definitely stalled his administration and prevented better staffing choices.
released a set through Wikileaks to show they were serious.
That may be true, but it could also be that they simply fed the info in like they tried to do with everything else in Russiagate. The entire process has CIA written all over it.
So, now think through why didn't the DNC let the FBI have access to the server to "investigate"?
You're probably thinking they did that to avoid the FBI getting more dirt on Clinton for control. I think it's more of plausible deniability for the FBI, which was basically in on it all. We already know this based on their actions and lies. FBI refers to CrowdStrike's assessment on the server, wipes their own hands of the issue while giving Clinton a clean slate on it. If the servers or evidence is ever uncovered, FBI points back to CrowdStrike and denies knowledge or involvement. FBI could have gotten warrants for the servers if they really wanted to. I don't think they ever asked for access.
OP's headline is wrong. This is about the DCCC leaks (NOT THE PODESTA LEAKS). Which we all knew were released by insiders on purpose to deflect and distract, as well as adding fake 'russian finger prints'.
... There are no Warren Flood Emails. Warren Flood was implicated in the DNC emails narrative. I am paying attention. The DNC emails were 100% about Hillary and Warren Flood helped lie about it being Russian hackers.
Yes, this is an important clarification. More people need to understand the difference.
My normie friends have occasionally referred to 'Hillary's emails' when they mean either:
The DNC emails that were leaked by a DNC insider, or;
The Podesta emails that were phished, or;
The DCCC emails that were purposely leaked by insiders with fake 'Russian fingerprints' to use as their cover story (actually proven to be Ukrainian malware, so they couldn't even get their fake cover story right).
Hillary's emails should mean the clintonmail.com emails from her personal server that was also used for state department communications with her and her staff. But to your point, normies can't distinguish any of these. I can not recall if any/many of those were leaked, though I think some may have been released under FOIA.
Were the later leaks attributed to Guccifer 2? I recall those were thought to be fake and done by the Hillary team at the time. Apparently, the FBI is the Hillary team.
Yeah I know it's such a mess figuring out the truth. But I'm trying to figure it out anyway. I want to know what the fuck is going on even though it is such a bummer all the time to realize how much we are being lied to and how corrupt society really is.
They knew the Podesta emails were about to be released.
They knew the Podesta emails contained massive evidence of corruption and evil by Hillary, the DNC, Obama, and others.
They needed a way to do damage limitation, so:
They released a batch of harmless emails and attached fake Russian fingerprints so they could blame Russia and use Russia as a distraction from all the corruption and evil revealed in the Podesta emails.
As it turns out, the fake 'Russian malware' they used was actually Ukrainian malware, so they messed up.
Also, IIRC they messed up again because when they tried to create the fake persona 'Guccifer 2.0' they accidentally left Warren Flood's signature in the forensic data, and Flood was a DNC employee, if I remember correctly.
Feel free to correct me if I've remembered any of these details not quite perfectly.
They didn't actually release information that was harmful to the DNC. They released harmless information with fake Russian fingerprints to distract from the actual real information which they knew was coming which was extremely harmful to the DNC, Hillary, Obama, and others.
Damn, I need sources on some of these facts. I hear too much bullshit to this day about “Russian interference” from retarded normies. Can i get a couple of links to blast like the Ukrainian malware and the fake Guccifer personality?
"The malware sample is old, widely used and appears to be Ukrainian. It has no apparent relationship with Russian intelligence and it would be an indicator of compromise for any website."
The black hats obviously got to Wordfence after they published the report exposing the Russia lie, because I remember they made some stealth edits to the article, but the key points are still there. It was Ukrainian malware, not Russian.
"Someone working in the EDT time zone with a computer directly connected to the DNC server ... copied 1,976 MegaBytes of data in 87 seconds onto an external storage device. That speed is many times faster than what is physically possible with a hack."
That it was not clarified afterward with "You mean x?" means that it was either an asset, Americans, or a highly specific group that was the sole subject of an investigation at the time. I doubt it was the random internet trolls they indicted, would have been mentioned if it was. So if they knew who they were, why weren't they indicted or reported in the Mueller report? No one would refer to a whole foreign non-allied nation or government, like Russia, as "our guys", so it cannot refer to "anything at all".
Yes. Hillary emails were on her illegal server that she wiped. There were also the Podesta emails (Wet works lol) that were obtained by someone fishing his password. The DNC emails were physically downloaded onto a USB 2.0 drive, presumably by Seth Rich.
I think your perception of what a normal person is was a completely fabricated media/hollywood/cia lie that most Americans suck up like milk from their mothers teet.
My 2 cents. Redaction is the letters "CI" or "CID" in front of the word case. CID meaning counter intelligence division @ FBI HQ. Strzok was head of or deputy of the CID at FBI. "No issues." means not the Russians or foreign agents. "Our guys" means Americans ergo the FBI knows, Seth Rich, so this is not a case for CID. Backbrief meaning the FBI DC office is going to tell Strzok (CID) the Seth Rich story. He was a Bernie Bro working at the DNC, young, idealistic. Found out Wazzerman and Hillary put the fix in on Bernie to steal the primary race. He decided to blow the lid. Copied and leaked the emails to wikileaks. This got Wasserman fired and Bernie pissed at Hillary. So Strzok knew the entire story early on that there was no "Russian hacking" of the DNC email server. As he says latter, "their is no there there" on the Russians. The redacted name is someone in the DC field office? or Page.
This is what I think too. I don’t think anyone at the FBI would respond with “got it” if they just learned that the FBI released the DNC emails. I could see, “Fuck”, “Wow”, “Really?”, or something of a surprise type response.
ikr, he just had to clutch his pearls for a bit so the bernie bros wouldn't immediately ask for a refund. I might be wrong but I think that was the origin of the bernie refund campaign.
Here's a simple explanation. Seth Rich reached out to the FBI and it was the FBI that has rogue operators that most FBI folks don't even know about. I would imagine that a lot of good FBI folks are learning the hard way to keep their mouth shut and not trust their bosses.
I'd be willing to bet a bottle of stoli that russian intel has a meme division feeding dear leader jokes about the difference between their actual ops and what the americans think their ops are. Da, that would be very funny.
This is simply fucking fascinating - declass every last thing - zero redactions! And, damn it - give Julian Assange a much deserved pardon and the island of the supposed decedent Jeffrey Epstein. Julian can write a proper book taking the short weekly trips needed to interview the former government employees soon to be housed at Gitmo!
Well, the BS sensors are tingling on this one. FBI didn’t voluntarily leak Hillary’s emails. Unless, it was one honest person within the fbi. Or I’m misunderstanding, which is true I don’t understand.
Even if we assume it wasn't Seth Rich who did it (which is necessary for the "our guys" to mean FBI insiders, and because Seth doing it completely invalidates this theory anyway), and even if we assume "our guys" refers to FBI agents/insiders/whatever, the mere fact they talk of the "hack of the DNC server" as if that actually happened invalidates the theory in and of itself. These people clearly don't know anything. They are FBI worker bees being told what to do and refer to talking points as if they are reality.
I think this shows that "our guys" is referring to whom they are told were suspects, to keep them busy. Because they literally think a DNC server was hacked.
His name was Seth Rich.
Those were the DNC emails? Different no?
They got cold feet after shooting the gun or something.
Do you mean like a penguin or something?
Sad
Why aren't you seeing this for what it is? THEY PROSECUTED OUR PEOPLE FOR GETTING THE HILLARY EMAILS FROM THE RUSSIANS, INCLUDING ACCUSING TRUMP OF INSTIGATING IT, & INVESTIGATED HIM FOR 3 YEARS, WHEN THEY'RE THE ONES WHO DID IT! HOLY CRAP THIS IS BIG!
Exactly. I always try to read these and play devil's advocate, and ask myself how will the fake news cover it...what questions would they ask & how would they spin it. So, with that in mind, I thought maybe they could claim "our guys" meant the guys that they were investigating. But, let's get real. If they had evidence that anybody associated with the Trump team did this, it would have come out long ago. They wouldn't have even required a Mueller team if they had evidence of this as it occurred.
I am left to conclude that the ONLY thing this could imply is that it was the FBI that did this, and that opens up a whole other line of questions, but 2 huge questions stick out in my mind. Why would the FBI do this? If the FBI did this, what emails would they have kept to themselves and why?
I'm of the opinion that this move allowed them to control both Presidential candidates. They would have kept the more criminal emails concerning the Clinton campaign to themselves to control her and released a set through Wikileaks to show they were serious. They attempted to frame the Trump campaign for the hack activity after he won, in an attempt to control him...it didn't work.
So, now think through why didn't the DNC let the FBI have access to the server to "investigate"?
I don't think the intent was to control Trump as much as it was to control the narrative and box him in, which worked very well with the support of their co-conspirators in the MSM. The couldn't get him to do much, but they definitely stalled his administration and prevented better staffing choices.
You're probably thinking they did that to avoid the FBI getting more dirt on Clinton for control. I think it's more of plausible deniability for the FBI, which was basically in on it all. We already know this based on their actions and lies. FBI refers to CrowdStrike's assessment on the server, wipes their own hands of the issue while giving Clinton a clean slate on it. If the servers or evidence is ever uncovered, FBI points back to CrowdStrike and denies knowledge or involvement. FBI could have gotten warrants for the servers if they really wanted to. I don't think they ever asked for access.
I was reading post going you guys are retarded. Then I read yours and it’s like at least someone realizes the gravity of the situation. Holy shit
And the FBI was placing bets on Trump winning the nomination and election.
Only $100? I would really like to know who took that bet.
Which FBM agents believed Trump would win, deep down?
Stupid, corrupt fuckers.
He won’t.
Seth likely gave the emails to the FBI who subsequently killed him. The agent then "had his car broken into" and his gun "stolen".
Or, the FBI considers itself the same entity as the DNC.
Remember - the FBI never gave Seth's laptop back
Without any speculation, because his assets were seized postmortem.
Correct, not Hillary emails.
The FBI killed Seth Rich.
We were actually told this by multiple sources in 2016. People just believed the MSM too much and dismissed it.
OP's headline is wrong. This is about the DCCC leaks (NOT THE PODESTA LEAKS). Which we all knew were released by insiders on purpose to deflect and distract, as well as adding fake 'russian finger prints'.
OP never said Podesta nor DNC. What was wrong here? The DNC emails were also insiders. They both were and we knew it all along.
He said "HILLARY" which is commonly confused for the Podesta leaks since he was her campaign manager.
We all know it pertained to and included dirt on Hillary. That's like saying, "There's no such thing as Obamacare", when we all know it means ACA
Exactly. WHICH IS WHY OP'S HEADLINE IS WRONG! You're not reading or paying attention to what I'm saying. This is about the 'Warren Flood Emails'.
... There are no Warren Flood Emails. Warren Flood was implicated in the DNC emails narrative. I am paying attention. The DNC emails were 100% about Hillary and Warren Flood helped lie about it being Russian hackers.
Yes, this is an important clarification. More people need to understand the difference.
My normie friends have occasionally referred to 'Hillary's emails' when they mean either:
Hillary's emails should mean the clintonmail.com emails from her personal server that was also used for state department communications with her and her staff. But to your point, normies can't distinguish any of these. I can not recall if any/many of those were leaked, though I think some may have been released under FOIA.
Can I get a source with proof on the Russian fingerprints being fake? Need to destroy the narrative with some normies I know.
http://g-2.space/
All the docs from 'guccifer 2.0' was disinformation purposefully leaked by the DNC to make the other leaks look like they were of russian origin.
Were the later leaks attributed to Guccifer 2? I recall those were thought to be fake and done by the Hillary team at the time. Apparently, the FBI is the Hillary team.
There were two leaks that year:
The DNC leak, which they claimed was Guccifer 2.0 (a supposed Russian)
The Podesta leak, which they claimed was a Russian spear-phishing hack.
Both were related to Hillary.
let's see .. yup, the 'pardoning of Julian Assange' is next on the checklist of things to happen.
We should give him epstein's island. Let him run server farms on it.
This would be awesome.
This is a really good idea.
Or make it a high security prison for all of the traitors and pedos with a gallows built where that blue and white domed building are.
Is this according to anon?
I take all that shit with a mountain of salt, but some of it does seem pretty accurate so far
skipped the jfk stuff tho
The DNC woman referred to is Donna Brazille.
no, I think it was that nice African American lady, Debbie Wassssssssserman Schulz? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/24/debbie-wasserman-schultz-resigns-dnc-chair-emails-sanders
Yes it seems that you're right!
Brazille also resigned after the emails revealed that she had worked with the TV networks to get Hillary the debate questions ahead of time.
And then Fox News hired her!
It's always been controlled opposition. But I admit, Tucker had me fooled for a bit... 😩
Same same
Because all the stuff he said was true, and he was the only one saying it. Atleast everyone woke up the second they set their trap
Some limited hangouts last only a moment while others last years.
Could not be Rachel. She is black.
She voted for Biden so it checks out.
I think you're right. The ones with curly hair and bitchy attitudes all look alike.
Lol, that is the BEST picture of her they could find and I still threw up a little. Tasted like ramen.
I am a little sad that nothing surprises me anymore. Everything is fake. It's all lies, top to bottom.
Yeah I know it's such a mess figuring out the truth. But I'm trying to figure it out anyway. I want to know what the fuck is going on even though it is such a bummer all the time to realize how much we are being lied to and how corrupt society really is.
Let me get this straight.
FBI release Clinton emails.
Frame Russia.
Blame Trump.
Have I got that right?
Yes.
I still don’t understand why they would release damaging information on the DNC.
The FBI prefers dems to Rs. But they REALLY prefer pols they own to pols they don't.
The FBI's core mission is to investigate pols and then blackmail them.
They prefer Dems because they are easier to blackmail. Bunch of sick bastards.
IIRC, this was basically the timeline:
As it turns out, the fake 'Russian malware' they used was actually Ukrainian malware, so they messed up.
Also, IIRC they messed up again because when they tried to create the fake persona 'Guccifer 2.0' they accidentally left Warren Flood's signature in the forensic data, and Flood was a DNC employee, if I remember correctly.
Feel free to correct me if I've remembered any of these details not quite perfectly.
To give you a Tl;dr:
They didn't actually release information that was harmful to the DNC. They released harmless information with fake Russian fingerprints to distract from the actual real information which they knew was coming which was extremely harmful to the DNC, Hillary, Obama, and others.
Damn, I need sources on some of these facts. I hear too much bullshit to this day about “Russian interference” from retarded normies. Can i get a couple of links to blast like the Ukrainian malware and the fake Guccifer personality?
Here's a link from Wordfence (cybersecurity experts) showing analysis proving the malware was Ukrainian:
https://archive.is/auBA3
This is a key sentence from the summary:
"The malware sample is old, widely used and appears to be Ukrainian. It has no apparent relationship with Russian intelligence and it would be an indicator of compromise for any website."
The black hats obviously got to Wordfence after they published the report exposing the Russia lie, because I remember they made some stealth edits to the article, but the key points are still there. It was Ukrainian malware, not Russian.
Also, you didn't ask for this specifically, but here's a link explaining how the DNC emails were leaked by a DNC insider, they weren't hacked.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-24/nsa-officials-and-computer-expert-forensic-evidence-proves-dnc-emails-were-leaked-no
Perhaps the most significant quote is:
"Someone working in the EDT time zone with a computer directly connected to the DNC server ... copied 1,976 MegaBytes of data in 87 seconds onto an external storage device. That speed is many times faster than what is physically possible with a hack."
As far as I remember, I think this was one of the first sources which discovered the Warren Flood signature in the 'Guccifer 2.0' document:
https://theforensicator.wordpress.com/media-mishaps-early-guccifer-2-coverage/
"Since this report focuses on 1.doc, keep in mind that the metadata for 1.doc shows “Warren Flood” as the Author"
"our guys" could mean "our guys that we're watching" possibly
Wait, does this mean Seth Rich was FBI? Or at least an asset? Why wasn't the FBI nettled by an asset getting murdered?
I think the key point is that it was not Russian interference, and they knew.
Muller knew they whole time. Probably in on it
That it was not clarified afterward with "You mean x?" means that it was either an asset, Americans, or a highly specific group that was the sole subject of an investigation at the time. I doubt it was the random internet trolls they indicted, would have been mentioned if it was. So if they knew who they were, why weren't they indicted or reported in the Mueller report? No one would refer to a whole foreign non-allied nation or government, like Russia, as "our guys", so it cannot refer to "anything at all".
Yeah but Seth Rich's murder must be tied in some how. This only opens a bag of questions as to WTF happened.
Oh fuck....
Fatal mistake
I still wonder if he's in witness protection.
Probably a disposable asset... makes you wonder whether it was a revenge killer or the fbi tying up their loose ends
are the Hillary emails different from the DNC emails?
Yes. Hillary emails were on her illegal server that she wiped. There were also the Podesta emails (Wet works lol) that were obtained by someone fishing his password. The DNC emails were physically downloaded onto a USB 2.0 drive, presumably by Seth Rich.
there was also th weird guccifer 2.0 stuff in there as well.
Yes.
Yes, the DNC 'hack' was a DNC insider. The transfer rate was consistent with a USB drive.
I think your perception of what a normal person is was a completely fabricated media/hollywood/cia lie that most Americans suck up like milk from their mothers teet.
Yes, mine too.
We've all been there. None of us was born a callous tinfoil with a tenuous grasp of reality. I don't think it was an insult of any kind.
Lol ok you seem mad. Projecting a bit too. Are you always like this or just today?
at this point if you told me the nazi lizard people from the dark side of the moon orchestrated all of this i might take you serious...
chews jimsonweed so ... when do we start?
i barely keep sane as it is. adding drugs into the mix is not a good idea.
Figures - One guy dead - one in prison. Get the pardons ready GEOTUS
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA....
Ah...
[Sadness seeps in]
If only you lived in a country that was interested in justice.
We are, the DOJ can't do it at this time.
I know that feel.
What am I looking at?
texts between FBI types just released under FOIA.
A $100 Bet
My 2 cents. Redaction is the letters "CI" or "CID" in front of the word case. CID meaning counter intelligence division @ FBI HQ. Strzok was head of or deputy of the CID at FBI. "No issues." means not the Russians or foreign agents. "Our guys" means Americans ergo the FBI knows, Seth Rich, so this is not a case for CID. Backbrief meaning the FBI DC office is going to tell Strzok (CID) the Seth Rich story. He was a Bernie Bro working at the DNC, young, idealistic. Found out Wazzerman and Hillary put the fix in on Bernie to steal the primary race. He decided to blow the lid. Copied and leaked the emails to wikileaks. This got Wasserman fired and Bernie pissed at Hillary. So Strzok knew the entire story early on that there was no "Russian hacking" of the DNC email server. As he says latter, "their is no there there" on the Russians. The redacted name is someone in the DC field office? or Page.
Seth Rich was murdered July 10th, 2016. These communications are July 26 and 27th.
This is what I think too. I don’t think anyone at the FBI would respond with “got it” if they just learned that the FBI released the DNC emails. I could see, “Fuck”, “Wow”, “Really?”, or something of a surprise type response.
You're giving Bernie too much credit, he's been playing ball from the start
ikr, he just had to clutch his pearls for a bit so the bernie bros wouldn't immediately ask for a refund. I might be wrong but I think that was the origin of the bernie refund campaign.
What the fuck. How is this not sticked!!!
Here's a simple explanation. Seth Rich reached out to the FBI and it was the FBI that has rogue operators that most FBI folks don't even know about. I would imagine that a lot of good FBI folks are learning the hard way to keep their mouth shut and not trust their bosses.
Last text: They were betting on the race? This Movie Has Easter Eggs? Popcorn running low, BRB.
These aren't the Hillary emails, but wow. This would explain why the FBI had zero interest in examining the DNC server.
Fool me once Shame on you Fool Me twice Same on me .👀
Part of the plan to set up the fake Russian collusion narrative?
WTF
Someone pointed out that "our guy" could mean.
The person within the government or the person they are going after.
I'd be willing to bet a bottle of stoli that russian intel has a meme division feeding dear leader jokes about the difference between their actual ops and what the americans think their ops are. Da, that would be very funny.
Pardon Assange
"Our guys" could also refer to the targets of their investigation activities.
Fbi cought in russian collusion
Remind me why the DOJ has been persecuting Assange for years and trying to extradite him?
I miss knowing who the them was.
The FBI is so fucking rotten...
So the FBI killed Seth Rich and this covers the motive of the murder.
“Our guys” can be two things;
Agents of their organization or cooperating organization
Or suspects they’re investigating
I keep saying it, and I'll keep saying it. Just for anyone who does not know. The memwars are real. Always have been.
Are you fucking kidding me?!
This is huge.
I need a link to this
This is simply fucking fascinating - declass every last thing - zero redactions! And, damn it - give Julian Assange a much deserved pardon and the island of the supposed decedent Jeffrey Epstein. Julian can write a proper book taking the short weekly trips needed to interview the former government employees soon to be housed at Gitmo!
Well, the BS sensors are tingling on this one. FBI didn’t voluntarily leak Hillary’s emails. Unless, it was one honest person within the fbi. Or I’m misunderstanding, which is true I don’t understand.
So done and dusted, release and pardon Julian NOW
Even if we assume it wasn't Seth Rich who did it (which is necessary for the "our guys" to mean FBI insiders, and because Seth doing it completely invalidates this theory anyway), and even if we assume "our guys" refers to FBI agents/insiders/whatever, the mere fact they talk of the "hack of the DNC server" as if that actually happened invalidates the theory in and of itself. These people clearly don't know anything. They are FBI worker bees being told what to do and refer to talking points as if they are reality.
I think this shows that "our guys" is referring to whom they are told were suspects, to keep them busy. Because they literally think a DNC server was hacked.
He was saying "that was our guys [in the emails]"
Wew - to the top with this!
Uhhhh, what?!
Umm errr
Not Hillary emails...FFS please get posts correct!