Thank you. I am NOT a feminist, but I am sick and tired of these hypocritical posts. Some days ago a guy posted bragging he had had sex with 3-4 liberal woman and was redpilling them, and he got hundreds of upvotes. Why? I condemn women that are promiscuous because I know it makes society more depraved. Men should condemn men that are promiscuous also.
I agree they are, but you can't put the genie back in the bottle. There is nothing keeping women in check to uphold their end of the bargain. Not society and not the courts. They are free to leave for any reason and take everything you've earned and will earn. I won't be a slave to a woman just because she let me see her boobies for a couple years and got bored.
Alimony is not paid from just men to women - it's based on who has higher earnings. Men are more likely to have higher salaries b/c women are more likely to step back and raise the family. Some women pay men alimony. Also asset division is by default 50/50. I've seen plenty of guys who call it quits after 20 yrs and get mad at the idea of paying alimony to a woman who decided to take a severe paycut to stay at home and raise the kids. Marriage is a legal partnership with obligations and if you and your significant other can't handle it then don't get married.
Exactly. I was talking to a man earlier who was trying to argue that women “have nothing to lose” when they have children and get married. Excuse me??? We women DO indeed sacrifice in many areas of life to bear and raise children. I’m not saying it’s not a beautiful thing to get married and have children, but for (some) men to pretend women don’t make any sacrifices or take risks is asinine.
Marriage is a scam to keep men on the plantation working. You won't run away when you are legally bound to a debt factory "wife" that can bend you over with a no evidence and the force of daddy government to make you pay if you don't obey.
Marriage currently is an awful proposition for men. There is zero upside for a man to get married. If the laws change, then fine, but until then we will see fewer men get married. Age when marriage is occurring is getting pushed later and later because younger men are seeing how easily a woman can destroy a man's life (and his kids' lives at the same time).
I am copying and pasting my reply from above, with some tweaks:
Let me be very clear: I am pro-marriage and pro-children. However, I can also list a number of reasons why marriage is an awful proposition for women. For example, marriage and children do damage our careers and do damage our bodies. Also, women do most of the housework and childcare by far. These are facts. Women are I am not denying men experience difficulties. I have looked at both sides, and there are difficulties for both men and women. It is easy to say marriage is slavery for men and not look at the other side. I could argue the same for women.
How is marriage awful for women in any sense? What difficulties do they face? They can leave at any time for any reason, and have an overwhelming chance of winning child custody, alimony and child support - whether the man can afford it or not. Men gain zero advantages by getting married. A woman can get caught cheating and still fuck the man over financially thanks to our feminized society. Prenups are almost useless, I wouldn't rely on one.
Marriage damages your career and body? That's a really weird argument to make... 90%+ of deaths on the job are male, not female. I thought in our brave new world, women could have it all?
As for housework, most entitled Western women will expect men to do half, despite being the man being primary income source as well. I don't buy the whole 'man works a job, wife stays home and they split duties equally' concept. That isn't how modern Western women act.
Why do you ask me "How is marriage awful for women in any sense?" when I had previously listed specific reasons I have heard other women list when they explain why they do not want to get married? I don't agree with them in the sense that I do want to get married, but some women indeed consider marriage a losing game because, sadly, many men are porn-sick, abusive, and/or lazy. Upset that you can't find a good woman? Well, finding a good man in this day in age is hard for women, too. I personally have gotten ghosted by men because I wasn't willing to sleep with them within the first three dates. Go figure. You can't dismiss my explanations just because you don't like them. If you want to, you can keep believing men are somehow always are victims of women and we are gold-digging harpies, but that's not reality. It's an indeed convenient belief for you, but the truth is more complicated, and when it comes to marriage, women have fears and concerns, too.
You find the ones who won't sleep with anyone until marriage and die to each other. It is a mutual martyrdom. Just because it's hard and there are crappy men and women everywhere doesn't excuse depraved and degenerate behavior. How do you expect to attract the right kind of women when you're just going around sleeping with anything that moves?
I can tell you as a woman who has had exactly one partner (my husband, after we married) that I would run far away from any man who was sleeping around like that.
Good luck finding one like that in the West, they're called Unicorns. So I should spent time effort and energy sifting through tens of thousands of women to find a magical one on the off chance they won't fuck me over, all so I can gain zero benefit by getting married? It's a shit business proposition.
All of my friends are just like me. We're raising our daughters the same way, and setting up our unmarried girlfriends who are like us. You're looking for honey bees in a garbage dump and claiming only flies exist. Take a walk in the forest and follow a honey bee back to the hive.
Stop sleeping around and getting involved with degenerate women, and you'll find all the good ones. My husband had a marriage and kid under his belt prior to meeting me. I met him at church, not a bar. He wasn't blackpilled and screwing his brains out because a lot of women are trash.
He was completely f*cked over by his ex and the courts. We fought like hell and now we have full custody and the ex is scared of us because I'll nail her to the wall for what she's done to them. I know what's out there, I've seen it. But we're not unicorns, it's a refusal to give up degeneracy and make an effort that locks so many young men out of good relationships.
But but but, there's God's plan that there's someone for everyone. You just have to look over and over and over and over. And when you find that special someone you'll just know. Cause everyone knows true love is real and you're only really a man if you have a wife and a family.
Will the men on TheDonald.Win also condemn promiscuous, non-committal men?
I sure will. Monogamy and marriage are the bedrocks of a stable society and individual happiness.
Thank you. I am NOT a feminist, but I am sick and tired of these hypocritical posts. Some days ago a guy posted bragging he had had sex with 3-4 liberal woman and was redpilling them, and he got hundreds of upvotes. Why? I condemn women that are promiscuous because I know it makes society more depraved. Men should condemn men that are promiscuous also.
I agree they are, but you can't put the genie back in the bottle. There is nothing keeping women in check to uphold their end of the bargain. Not society and not the courts. They are free to leave for any reason and take everything you've earned and will earn. I won't be a slave to a woman just because she let me see her boobies for a couple years and got bored.
I could type a very similar post about men, but I won't because reality is more difficult than what you have depicted in your post.
Sure you could sweety. Sure you could...
Alimony is not paid from just men to women - it's based on who has higher earnings. Men are more likely to have higher salaries b/c women are more likely to step back and raise the family. Some women pay men alimony. Also asset division is by default 50/50. I've seen plenty of guys who call it quits after 20 yrs and get mad at the idea of paying alimony to a woman who decided to take a severe paycut to stay at home and raise the kids. Marriage is a legal partnership with obligations and if you and your significant other can't handle it then don't get married.
Exactly. I was talking to a man earlier who was trying to argue that women “have nothing to lose” when they have children and get married. Excuse me??? We women DO indeed sacrifice in many areas of life to bear and raise children. I’m not saying it’s not a beautiful thing to get married and have children, but for (some) men to pretend women don’t make any sacrifices or take risks is asinine.
Marriage is a scam to keep men on the plantation working. You won't run away when you are legally bound to a debt factory "wife" that can bend you over with a no evidence and the force of daddy government to make you pay if you don't obey.
Thank you. I love Trump and this community, but I am tired of these posts and I am tired of the hypocrisy.
It's ironic b/c Trump is a big supporter of women.
Yep, and wankers are pathetic and disgusting.
They deserve to be booted from society. As a Christian I am against any promiscuous activity.
Unless it’s just between you and your spouse. In which case, be as promiscuous as you want!
Hence why older, and thus more religious, generations had many kids teehee
Have at it between your spouse!
Marriage currently is an awful proposition for men. There is zero upside for a man to get married. If the laws change, then fine, but until then we will see fewer men get married. Age when marriage is occurring is getting pushed later and later because younger men are seeing how easily a woman can destroy a man's life (and his kids' lives at the same time).
I am copying and pasting my reply from above, with some tweaks:
Let me be very clear: I am pro-marriage and pro-children. However, I can also list a number of reasons why marriage is an awful proposition for women. For example, marriage and children do damage our careers and do damage our bodies. Also, women do most of the housework and childcare by far. These are facts. Women are I am not denying men experience difficulties. I have looked at both sides, and there are difficulties for both men and women. It is easy to say marriage is slavery for men and not look at the other side. I could argue the same for women.
How is marriage awful for women in any sense? What difficulties do they face? They can leave at any time for any reason, and have an overwhelming chance of winning child custody, alimony and child support - whether the man can afford it or not. Men gain zero advantages by getting married. A woman can get caught cheating and still fuck the man over financially thanks to our feminized society. Prenups are almost useless, I wouldn't rely on one. Marriage damages your career and body? That's a really weird argument to make... 90%+ of deaths on the job are male, not female. I thought in our brave new world, women could have it all? As for housework, most entitled Western women will expect men to do half, despite being the man being primary income source as well. I don't buy the whole 'man works a job, wife stays home and they split duties equally' concept. That isn't how modern Western women act.
Why do you ask me "How is marriage awful for women in any sense?" when I had previously listed specific reasons I have heard other women list when they explain why they do not want to get married? I don't agree with them in the sense that I do want to get married, but some women indeed consider marriage a losing game because, sadly, many men are porn-sick, abusive, and/or lazy. Upset that you can't find a good woman? Well, finding a good man in this day in age is hard for women, too. I personally have gotten ghosted by men because I wasn't willing to sleep with them within the first three dates. Go figure. You can't dismiss my explanations just because you don't like them. If you want to, you can keep believing men are somehow always are victims of women and we are gold-digging harpies, but that's not reality. It's an indeed convenient belief for you, but the truth is more complicated, and when it comes to marriage, women have fears and concerns, too.
You find the ones who won't sleep with anyone until marriage and die to each other. It is a mutual martyrdom. Just because it's hard and there are crappy men and women everywhere doesn't excuse depraved and degenerate behavior. How do you expect to attract the right kind of women when you're just going around sleeping with anything that moves?
I can tell you as a woman who has had exactly one partner (my husband, after we married) that I would run far away from any man who was sleeping around like that.
Good luck finding one like that in the West, they're called Unicorns. So I should spent time effort and energy sifting through tens of thousands of women to find a magical one on the off chance they won't fuck me over, all so I can gain zero benefit by getting married? It's a shit business proposition.
All of my friends are just like me. We're raising our daughters the same way, and setting up our unmarried girlfriends who are like us. You're looking for honey bees in a garbage dump and claiming only flies exist. Take a walk in the forest and follow a honey bee back to the hive.
Stop sleeping around and getting involved with degenerate women, and you'll find all the good ones. My husband had a marriage and kid under his belt prior to meeting me. I met him at church, not a bar. He wasn't blackpilled and screwing his brains out because a lot of women are trash.
He was completely f*cked over by his ex and the courts. We fought like hell and now we have full custody and the ex is scared of us because I'll nail her to the wall for what she's done to them. I know what's out there, I've seen it. But we're not unicorns, it's a refusal to give up degeneracy and make an effort that locks so many young men out of good relationships.
But but but, there's God's plan that there's someone for everyone. You just have to look over and over and over and over. And when you find that special someone you'll just know. Cause everyone knows true love is real and you're only really a man if you have a wife and a family.