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Hi. I have a degree in applied mathematics. I’m no dr shiva so without any context it’s difficult for me to say what this means. We don’t know what U or A is but it’s a ratio and it relates to “n” which I assume is the number of votes cast. Normally with something like this there would be assumptions made about all the variables and parameters that are set which confine the variables and none of that is shown in the post. I think the important thing is someone identified the algorithm used. It would be cool to see the proof but yeah sorry I can’t be more help. There’s just not much info given.
Yeah there isn’t much background info. It mentions someone named Wilkinson who I can only assume discovered the equation. But this is the algorithm Sydney refers to in her interviews. I think it’s designed to always keep the vote percentages constant by adjusting the votes using the weight feature and/or vote swapping. My guess would be there is a constant n that they picked to get .52 (52%) and then the computer adjusts the U and A values as more votes come in to always keep it at the same value. So if n is the number of votes, perhaps democrats/dominion made an estimate of how many votes they thought would occur based off polls and past elections and population growth etc.. And then as more and more votes came in, the actual number of votes exceeded n thereby “breaking the algorithm” because now you can’t achieve the proper ratio with U and A. That’s my best guess. Caveat it’s 3 am here and I’m tired and I’ve been out of university for almost 8 years now. Hope someone can take my conjecture and run with it.
The fact that we observed raw vote data coming directly that includes decimalplaces establishes selection by an algorithm, and not individual voter’s choice.Otherwise, voteswould be solely represented as whole numbers (votescannotpossibly be added up and have decimal places reported).”
I hate to say this, but as a senior software engineer i have to disagree.
it depends on what software language the code is written in, and which type of number they are using to store the votes.
There is a huge difference in how ints, longs, floats, numbers, doubles, etc, are encoded.
I would also like to point out that some computer languages (lookiing at you, javascript!!) only have 1 type of number (floating point) and don't distinguish between integers or floats https://www.w3schools.com/js/js_numbers.asp
WITH THAT SAID, it is EXTREMELY SUSPICIOUS that the votes include decimals.
I somehow highly doubt this system was written in something like Javascript. Also, the fact that votes are counted in floats/doubles combined with the user manual mentioning a feature called a "weighted race", indicates that this was an intentional design choice rather than a langauge limitation.
Isn't the fact they include decimals the whole argument??? I mean shouldn't one vote count as one vote?? You could never get a decimal just counting 1, 2, 3 and so on... right?? Is that not the main point they are making about these things???
That only applies to floats or doubles. The only challenging thing about an Int is whether it is signed or unsigned. And i guess the fact that it's in binary but it's still just binary conversion without having to worry about all the crap that happens when you store decimal numbers.
That argument only applies to fractional numbers that are not even powers of two(.5, .25, .125, etc).
1(as a vote should be) is an integer, it is also a power of two.
It would be interesting though if the decimals they are find are telltale floating point artifacts from hastily coded fuckery, all caught because they didn't use round, floor or trunc
From memory(which can be wrong) it was stored in a crappy access jet database in an IEEE754 double. Their other options included a 32bit signed int(Good enough and 16bit signed int. A 32 bit int would be good enough for any foreseeable election. I pointed out that a 64 bit float may have been used because it has a larger mantissa, and therefore would carry higher integers in elections with an implausible turnout in the multiple billions. I also read somewhere that floating points might be for odd voting systems that have been proposed.
However, I interpreted the above pdf to indicate that the actual values had votes with fractional parts, which should never happen. Knowing the accompanying testimony would clarify that.
I get what you are saying, but these are intentional variables hard coded into the database and applications, they run a algorithmic operation to "true" up the data, based on a formula expression (i believe listed above).
I am rusty as fuck on mathematics, but isn't this referencing infinity norms (norms with no context from the image, where U and A both being their own separate functions that scale, which is info that isn't given from the image), and a rate at which is has to scale at less than or equivalent to the ratio of those infinity norms?
Long story short, U and A are functions that are added to the tabulation software that is supposed to make the scaling "believable" and appear to keep a close race, but becomes a Zeno's Paradox, for whomever the algorithm is rigged against. Does this make sense?
This is just the least upper bound (supremum) of precision occurring during conversion between floating point numbers and int. It’s not a ration changer, or algorithm a proof of vote miscount if votes are stored as floating points. Read my other comment here to see a full explanation of the equation. Also U and A are the floating point number and int not in that order necessarily.
Also it’s good you’re no shiva his stats analysis is utter bullshit, his claim of huge miscount if votes are stored as floating points is valid, but I’m very skeptical of him.
Lines are absolute value. Double lines is the smoking gun. Link to try to explain better than me. One set of lines.... -2 = 2. Double lines is vector related..and a little farther than I went in engineering.
I don't know enough math, but I was able to find out the ||x|| notation refers to "a norm" and with the infinity subscript that's the infiniry norm / uniform norm:
neither do I. But the cliff dive into calculus is the functions to calculate where a line is going. What is it approaching is the socratic methodology. What stands out to me is the multiple mentions of this being common in vector absolute value would indicate a formula (as I would see it close to a PID formula proportional/derivative/integral) of absolute value of a projection. Rate of increase or something. I have no degree, but I've dealt with things like PID and of this sort in the real world that have left me confused why 3 yrs of engineering never touched on any of it.
what we need is the running configuration/state of the voting machines during the election. It would also be useful to have the binaries so they can be decompiled and scanned to see if there was any backdoor logic (like only during the day of the election will it flip ballots to biden, just like the VW dieselgate scam did to look innocent during emissions testing
Ya it’s talking about limits of precision in term of floating point number (2.35644) in programming. This is regarding the only reasonable thing shiva mentioned which is if voted were stored in floating point form then this would tell you the upper bound of precision error when converted back into integers.
To give a break down ||U||_infinity is as someone mentioned is an infinite norm, the real term is uniform norm. This is the max of the absolute values of a vector. basically in a vector of (2, -4, 7) this equals 7. It a form of normalization. To get a better idea about normalization look at the 2 norm. The divisor is the same just for a different variable.
The n^(log(n)/2) is the Supermum (least upper bound) of the precision. This is due to the fact that floating point numbers are still stored as but this conversion from floating point to int have a precision limit.
The is in regards to shiva a claim that votes are stored as floating point number. If true is a flagrant error, but after his bullshit statistical analysis which is useless, I’m skeptical of him. Braynard is the guy to look to since he uses analysis to grab a group of people to call to verify
Edit: A and U are the floating point number and integer. Not necessarily respectively I don’t care to solve which is which right now
LOL, Rosie was "based" before most of you even knew what it meant.
Just because they slipped her the crazy juice, just like they did to Olbermann, doesn't mean I'll forget her (or him) standing up to the sheeple narratives of their time.
So, maybe someone can clarify for me; if they prove the steal was a hardcoded feature of the Dominion programming, does that overturn all states that used Dominion machines, or would they have to prove the same thing in each state individually?
OP, are you able to explain this math? Can we plug in numbers to see if it works? Otherwise, I suppose some people will be satisfied with some fancy math. I'm not. This is useless if no one explains it.
They have completely underestimated the autism in this community!!!! LETS GOOOOOOOO!
Not bad for a bunch of uneducated deplorables.
Can a math nerd explain wtf we're looking at here?
Hi. I have a degree in applied mathematics. I’m no dr shiva so without any context it’s difficult for me to say what this means. We don’t know what U or A is but it’s a ratio and it relates to “n” which I assume is the number of votes cast. Normally with something like this there would be assumptions made about all the variables and parameters that are set which confine the variables and none of that is shown in the post. I think the important thing is someone identified the algorithm used. It would be cool to see the proof but yeah sorry I can’t be more help. There’s just not much info given.
Used the gobbledigook at the top and the first sentence to find it
https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/2020/12/Bower-Complaint-AZ.pdf#page=30
Haven't read it yet.
Yeah there isn’t much background info. It mentions someone named Wilkinson who I can only assume discovered the equation. But this is the algorithm Sydney refers to in her interviews. I think it’s designed to always keep the vote percentages constant by adjusting the votes using the weight feature and/or vote swapping. My guess would be there is a constant n that they picked to get .52 (52%) and then the computer adjusts the U and A values as more votes come in to always keep it at the same value. So if n is the number of votes, perhaps democrats/dominion made an estimate of how many votes they thought would occur based off polls and past elections and population growth etc.. And then as more and more votes came in, the actual number of votes exceeded n thereby “breaking the algorithm” because now you can’t achieve the proper ratio with U and A. That’s my best guess. Caveat it’s 3 am here and I’m tired and I’ve been out of university for almost 8 years now. Hope someone can take my conjecture and run with it.
So basically we out voted predictions and then they needed to pull out every manner of rigging possible to make it work.
It also means, with this algorithm, it doesn’t matter how many votes are cast, it will adjust things to a win when triggered.
This is why Trump and Pence kept telling us that we needed to "run up the score". They knew this would happen.
Unfortunately it seems to be referencing other testimony, perhaps oral
let's not get anal about the oral
Nice
Will, you sly sonuvabitch, you know exactly what I mean.
User name checks out
https://www.voicy.network/clips/GXJN4w0A8kun-d5lgsvIoA
At least not until the second date
Good catch. Well done.
I hate to say this, but as a senior software engineer i have to disagree.
it depends on what software language the code is written in, and which type of number they are using to store the votes.
There is a huge difference in how ints, longs, floats, numbers, doubles, etc, are encoded.
here is a very basic overview, for the non-technical pedes: https://www.tutorialspoint.com/computer_programming/computer_programming_numbers.htm
I would also like to point out that some computer languages (lookiing at you, javascript!!) only have 1 type of number (floating point) and don't distinguish between integers or floats https://www.w3schools.com/js/js_numbers.asp
WITH THAT SAID, it is EXTREMELY SUSPICIOUS that the votes include decimals.
EXTREMELY SUS!!
I somehow highly doubt this system was written in something like Javascript. Also, the fact that votes are counted in floats/doubles combined with the user manual mentioning a feature called a "weighted race", indicates that this was an intentional design choice rather than a langauge limitation.
Isn't the fact they include decimals the whole argument??? I mean shouldn't one vote count as one vote?? You could never get a decimal just counting 1, 2, 3 and so on... right?? Is that not the main point they are making about these things???
numbers are really hard to represent in computers, contrary to popular belief.
right click on this comment, select 'inspect element'
then navigate to the 'console' tab of the menu thingy that opens.
type
.1 + .2into that console and tell me what it says.0.30000000000000004
Lol .. I'm on my phone I can't right click... Probably wouldn't understand what I was looking at anyway!! Lol
That only applies to floats or doubles. The only challenging thing about an Int is whether it is signed or unsigned. And i guess the fact that it's in binary but it's still just binary conversion without having to worry about all the crap that happens when you store decimal numbers.
That argument only applies to fractional numbers that are not even powers of two(.5, .25, .125, etc).
1(as a vote should be) is an integer, it is also a power of two.
It would be interesting though if the decimals they are find are telltale floating point artifacts from hastily coded fuckery, all caught because they didn't use round, floor or trunc
A few weeks back I looked into the exact types.
From memory(which can be wrong) it was stored in a crappy access jet database in an IEEE754 double. Their other options included a 32bit signed int(Good enough and 16bit signed int. A 32 bit int would be good enough for any foreseeable election. I pointed out that a 64 bit float may have been used because it has a larger mantissa, and therefore would carry higher integers in elections with an implausible turnout in the multiple billions. I also read somewhere that floating points might be for odd voting systems that have been proposed.
However, I interpreted the above pdf to indicate that the actual values had votes with fractional parts, which should never happen. Knowing the accompanying testimony would clarify that.
I get what you are saying, but these are intentional variables hard coded into the database and applications, they run a algorithmic operation to "true" up the data, based on a formula expression (i believe listed above).
I am rusty as fuck on mathematics, but isn't this referencing infinity norms (norms with no context from the image, where U and A both being their own separate functions that scale, which is info that isn't given from the image), and a rate at which is has to scale at less than or equivalent to the ratio of those infinity norms?
Long story short, U and A are functions that are added to the tabulation software that is supposed to make the scaling "believable" and appear to keep a close race, but becomes a Zeno's Paradox, for whomever the algorithm is rigged against. Does this make sense?
No, but I have a liberal arts degree.
hoooooooooly fuck imagine if universities taught real shit, there would be so many more conservatives
In lesbian dance theory?
I watch a lot of that. For some reason they're always naked though.
This is just the least upper bound (supremum) of precision occurring during conversion between floating point numbers and int. It’s not a ration changer, or algorithm a proof of vote miscount if votes are stored as floating points. Read my other comment here to see a full explanation of the equation. Also U and A are the floating point number and int not in that order necessarily.
Also it’s good you’re no shiva his stats analysis is utter bullshit, his claim of huge miscount if votes are stored as floating points is valid, but I’m very skeptical of him.
I guess my follow-up would be why are votes stored as FP numbers and not integers?
Hm ok.
So not a smoking gun in this context, but could be a spent slug to run through ballistics.
Thanks for the quick reply!
RACIST!
KEKIST!
Of course a Trump supporter would get a degree in something as racist as mathematics.
Ballot counting should be 1 + 1 = 2, not some complex formula.
Well, you know Common Core and all.
Do you have the link to the original document, I can do some digging
Nope, I'm just a rando.
I bet Pol has it if its out in its entirety anywhere.
Someone posted it in the comment above!
☝️
Glad I was not the only one with that question.
Lines are absolute value. Double lines is the smoking gun. Link to try to explain better than me. One set of lines.... -2 = 2. Double lines is vector related..and a little farther than I went in engineering.
https://www.quora.com/How-do-you-find-the-double-absolute-value-of-a-vector?share=1
I don't know enough math, but I was able to find out the ||x|| notation refers to "a norm" and with the infinity subscript that's the infiniry norm / uniform norm:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_norm
neither do I. But the cliff dive into calculus is the functions to calculate where a line is going. What is it approaching is the socratic methodology. What stands out to me is the multiple mentions of this being common in vector absolute value would indicate a formula (as I would see it close to a PID formula proportional/derivative/integral) of absolute value of a projection. Rate of increase or something. I have no degree, but I've dealt with things like PID and of this sort in the real world that have left me confused why 3 yrs of engineering never touched on any of it.
This perfectly illustrates my girlfriends thought process when attempting to parallel park..
AR15 INTENSIFIES
What did I miss???? When did we get a voting machine?
Watch Bannon war room from tonight we got a machine from a based country in GA and it shows the vote switch.
Thank you! I’m just catching up now!
This is why dems keep saying Math is racist. Because they suck at it—they couldn't even hide their own "secret" algorithm.
Not a smoking gun.
conjecture - Opinion or judgment based on inconclusive or incomplete evidence; guesswork.
what we need is the running configuration/state of the voting machines during the election. It would also be useful to have the binaries so they can be decompiled and scanned to see if there was any backdoor logic (like only during the day of the election will it flip ballots to biden, just like the VW dieselgate scam did to look innocent during emissions testing
Just one of me, and it says on the screenshot that its conjecture. Not my opinion.
Game, set, match!
I reboonked Amy Schumer 3 times.
We were on a trampoline.
Holy hell unleashed
Ya it’s talking about limits of precision in term of floating point number (2.35644) in programming. This is regarding the only reasonable thing shiva mentioned which is if voted were stored in floating point form then this would tell you the upper bound of precision error when converted back into integers.
To give a break down ||U||_infinity is as someone mentioned is an infinite norm, the real term is uniform norm. This is the max of the absolute values of a vector. basically in a vector of (2, -4, 7) this equals 7. It a form of normalization. To get a better idea about normalization look at the 2 norm. The divisor is the same just for a different variable. The n^(log(n)/2) is the Supermum (least upper bound) of the precision. This is due to the fact that floating point numbers are still stored as but this conversion from floating point to int have a precision limit.
The is in regards to shiva a claim that votes are stored as floating point number. If true is a flagrant error, but after his bullshit statistical analysis which is useless, I’m skeptical of him. Braynard is the guy to look to since he uses analysis to grab a group of people to call to verify
Edit: A and U are the floating point number and integer. Not necessarily respectively I don’t care to solve which is which right now
I have no idea. It seems so idiotic it’s malicious.
Fraud. Fraud is the only reason.
I have no idea it’s so idiotic it seems straight up malicious
Does anyone trust these legislators with picking electors?
LOL no
Could this set precedence for more states and machines?
Only Rosie O'Donnell
Yet, the howling Propagandogs shall sing the rabid tune "There Ain't no Bone of Evidence."
https://thedonald.win/p/11QlB6V01m/why-is-it-that-i-expect-to-soon-/c/
Which lawsuit
waiting to see how this will be debooooooooooooonked
Watching pink pussy hatted retards trying to do calculus.
Are there any math-pedes or data-pedes that can ELI5 this algorithm to the unintelligent like me?
LOL, Rosie was "based" before most of you even knew what it meant.
Just because they slipped her the crazy juice, just like they did to Olbermann, doesn't mean I'll forget her (or him) standing up to the sheeple narratives of their time.
There it is. The fix.
Rosies undergarments if true
So, maybe someone can clarify for me; if they prove the steal was a hardcoded feature of the Dominion programming, does that overturn all states that used Dominion machines, or would they have to prove the same thing in each state individually?
I wonder if Rosie can hit as high a note as that Georgia senator did today?! Rosie is kind of mannish, so I doubt it.
Deeeboooooonk!!
That Rosie comment went over my sleepy head and a second later I burst out laughing. Hope I didn't wake anyone in my house. Have a great day.
Someone ‘TeX’s
We have the best mathematicians. Am I right? The best
After they get done digesting that, I've got a huge, steaming bowl of Fuk Ur Unity Noodles for them to slurp down.
Rosie O'Donnell has sung! I'm dying here!
Can we get a directish link, with the text cut off it removes a lot of the context for the algorithm, which would allow us to fully decipher it.
https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/2020/12/Bower-Complaint-AZ.pdf#page=30
Shit, now they have to throw it out. Math is racist.
What is U? What is A? What is "n"?
OP, are you able to explain this math? Can we plug in numbers to see if it works? Otherwise, I suppose some people will be satisfied with some fancy math. I'm not. This is useless if no one explains it.