What's hilarious is that Trump doesn't NEED to concede, there's no provision in the Constitution, the electors merely vote and that's that. He could go until his dying breath and never concede and it doesn't change any law or position, they still would have "won". The fact they crave it, need it, is just more for their own psychosis, to know we, the media, beat him. Talk about pathetic.
Yeah but Caesar was overthrowing a free state to be their emperor. This led directly to the fall of the Roman Empire. Caesar was the bad guy. Trump is nothing like Caesar.
Not even the die is cast quote is similar. That would be Trump doing something so highly illegal that if he didnt win he would be executed. Trump is not in that position.
It had already been corrupted by the triumvirate, not to mention Sulla and all that jazz. Remember three gd Cataline Conspiracy? Dictator was a legal position in Ancient Rome and there was definitely plenty that needed fixing
That would be Trump doing something so highly illegal that if he didnt win he would be executed. Trump is not in that position.
Trump is going to be executed, Epstein style, if he loses the presidency.
The Demonrats have already said that they'll go after him (and everyone who supported him), so you can bet that Trump is going to end up in jail and then killed if he's not still president at the end of January.
His actions though lead to the Roman Empire. Yes Augustus was the first emperor but Julius is the one who ended the Republic.
He broke with tradition that the Republic used as precedent to allow what happened next which I agree happened over many decades before it became very socialist and the decline accelerated. But tradito was everything in the late republic.
He ended the values of the republic that were for freedom and became a dictator. He is the bad guy. Cicero is the good guy. Unless you are pro authoritarianism and state interventionism in which case Caesar is the good guy. But as a Trump supporter im guessing you are pro freedom. Which means you should be for the republic and greater freedoms for the individual.
I dont see how painting Trump as a dictator who ruined a republic is beneficial. Unfortunately, he was the winner unlike Cicero. So probs best we dont compare him to Cicero either.
Cicero is a good analogy. I agree, Caesar is not a good comparison to Trump, as Caesar disregarded Roman law for selfish personal gain and ego. A brilliant man he was, but nonetheless a selfish man. POTUS is not selfish.
It's important to remember that Caesar only crossed the Rubicon with one legion (around 5000 troops). It was completely normal for a victorious general with one legion to billet themselves on the Field of Mars outside of Rome to await the date of the general's Triumph. The Senate would not award Caesar the Triumph he had earned for his great victory in the Gallic Wars, so Caesar had no option but cross the Rubicon or himself and his army would be forever dishonoured.
The Rubicon was not a 'sacred boundary', the sacred boundary was around Rome and was called the Pomerium. Armed troops and those holding Imperium weren't allowed to cross the Pomerium except during a Triumph. I believe the law about bringing troops into Italy (crossing the Rubicon) was legislated by Lucius Cornelius Sulla who marched on Rome with six legions and brought in the legislation to stop any future general doing the same thing he had done himself.
When Caesar crossed the Rubicon, the Roman Republic was ruled over by Pompey Magnus who was envious of Caesar's military victories and his popularity with the common people. Pompey knew that when Caesar returned to Rome his own power would be eclipsed. Rome under Pompey had become a lawless place in which political factions hired gangs of mercenaries and gladiators to attack their enemies in the streets. Corruption also led to problems with the grain supply which caused food prices to soar.
To the common people, Caesar was a hero, they approved entirely of his actions. At Caesar's funeral the Roman people threw their jewels and possessions onto the funeral pyre and then burnt down the houses of Caesar's murderers. If Caesar was a 'bad guy' why did the common Roman people love him?
I think left-wing historians have shaped how people now view Caesar and have turned him into a villain. The Republic wasn't free under Pompey and the Optimates who believed all power and wealth should be held by a select group of noble families. Better to read the original sources like Plutarch and Seneca than rely on left-wing rewritten history on wikipedia.
I thought it translated to : “fuck these trannies, commies and traitors, I intend to explore all my legal remedies and cleanse the filthy Senate”. It’s been a while since Latin classes
You guys realise that Caesar was the bad guy? He created a civil war and overthrew through the republic for a dictator. He started the decline of the Roman Empire.
Read this awesome article:
https://macris.substack.com/p/trump-at-the-rubicon
It’s been archived here: https://archive.vn/RRtbJ
Yes, awesome
This is one of the very best articles I've ever read.
What's hilarious is that Trump doesn't NEED to concede, there's no provision in the Constitution, the electors merely vote and that's that. He could go until his dying breath and never concede and it doesn't change any law or position, they still would have "won". The fact they crave it, need it, is just more for their own psychosis, to know we, the media, beat him. Talk about pathetic.
No analogy is perfect. They're meant only as construct to convey a singular point.
The point meant here, I believe, is that decisive action in the face of opposition is sometimes the best action.
Yeah but Caesar was overthrowing a free state to be their emperor. This led directly to the fall of the Roman Empire. Caesar was the bad guy. Trump is nothing like Caesar.
Not even the die is cast quote is similar. That would be Trump doing something so highly illegal that if he didnt win he would be executed. Trump is not in that position.
It had already been corrupted by the triumvirate, not to mention Sulla and all that jazz. Remember three gd Cataline Conspiracy? Dictator was a legal position in Ancient Rome and there was definitely plenty that needed fixing
Trump is going to be executed, Epstein style, if he loses the presidency.
The Demonrats have already said that they'll go after him (and everyone who supported him), so you can bet that Trump is going to end up in jail and then killed if he's not still president at the end of January.
Yeah I know so what? When I say Caesar its obvipus who Im referring to...
His actions though lead to the Roman Empire. Yes Augustus was the first emperor but Julius is the one who ended the Republic.
He broke with tradition that the Republic used as precedent to allow what happened next which I agree happened over many decades before it became very socialist and the decline accelerated. But tradito was everything in the late republic.
He ended the values of the republic that were for freedom and became a dictator. He is the bad guy. Cicero is the good guy. Unless you are pro authoritarianism and state interventionism in which case Caesar is the good guy. But as a Trump supporter im guessing you are pro freedom. Which means you should be for the republic and greater freedoms for the individual.
I dont see how painting Trump as a dictator who ruined a republic is beneficial. Unfortunately, he was the winner unlike Cicero. So probs best we dont compare him to Cicero either.
Julius Caesar crossed the Rubicon. He was a General and a war hero returning to Rome.
Augustus was his adopted son, who maneuvered the Senate into claiming him Emperor.
It’s really old and imperfect history, but I believe the Consul Sully might be a better example. Unless I’m misremembering which is really likely lol
Agreed. Caesar was a dictator who overthrew the republic that was free. He started the decline of the Roman Empire.
He should be compared to Cicero standing up against Caesar who is trying to destroy the Republic and start a civil war.
Cicero is a good analogy. I agree, Caesar is not a good comparison to Trump, as Caesar disregarded Roman law for selfish personal gain and ego. A brilliant man he was, but nonetheless a selfish man. POTUS is not selfish.
It's important to remember that Caesar only crossed the Rubicon with one legion (around 5000 troops). It was completely normal for a victorious general with one legion to billet themselves on the Field of Mars outside of Rome to await the date of the general's Triumph. The Senate would not award Caesar the Triumph he had earned for his great victory in the Gallic Wars, so Caesar had no option but cross the Rubicon or himself and his army would be forever dishonoured.
The Rubicon was not a 'sacred boundary', the sacred boundary was around Rome and was called the Pomerium. Armed troops and those holding Imperium weren't allowed to cross the Pomerium except during a Triumph. I believe the law about bringing troops into Italy (crossing the Rubicon) was legislated by Lucius Cornelius Sulla who marched on Rome with six legions and brought in the legislation to stop any future general doing the same thing he had done himself.
When Caesar crossed the Rubicon, the Roman Republic was ruled over by Pompey Magnus who was envious of Caesar's military victories and his popularity with the common people. Pompey knew that when Caesar returned to Rome his own power would be eclipsed. Rome under Pompey had become a lawless place in which political factions hired gangs of mercenaries and gladiators to attack their enemies in the streets. Corruption also led to problems with the grain supply which caused food prices to soar.
To the common people, Caesar was a hero, they approved entirely of his actions. At Caesar's funeral the Roman people threw their jewels and possessions onto the funeral pyre and then burnt down the houses of Caesar's murderers. If Caesar was a 'bad guy' why did the common Roman people love him?
I think left-wing historians have shaped how people now view Caesar and have turned him into a villain. The Republic wasn't free under Pompey and the Optimates who believed all power and wealth should be held by a select group of noble families. Better to read the original sources like Plutarch and Seneca than rely on left-wing rewritten history on wikipedia.
Consequences are required. True justice!
Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the women (and men)!
I thought it translated to : “fuck these trannies, commies and traitors, I intend to explore all my legal remedies and cleanse the filthy Senate”. It’s been a while since Latin classes
This is good
NO BRAKES , DECLASS THE LOT , SCORCHED EARTH , LOCK HER UP ,LOCK THEM ALL FUCKIN UP !!!!
>cast is the die
All your base are belong to us.
:)
I hope the justice is carried out in the public square.
Needs to be as transparent as the Obama administration was.
OMG it's like Harty Poooter
[soy face noises]
You guys realise that Caesar was the bad guy? He created a civil war and overthrew through the republic for a dictator. He started the decline of the Roman Empire.
The hero is Cicero...
I thought ceaser was the first emperor of Rome.what did Cicero do?
Yeah youre right the Roman Republic*.
Caesar stil is the bad guy who overthrew the Republic. I wouldnt compare him to Trump thats dumb as fuck.