I dont know, they are claiming there are people who separate the ballot from the envelope, and put them in some sort of container, for them to be counted later. I believe mail in vote validation requires an envelope in order to validate. If this is a two step process, validate, then put aside for counting later (when observers are not required), its FUCKING RETARDED. Does it violate GA state law that the legislators specified, I dont know. So 1. Are they indeed cutters. 2. Is it legal to count votes outside the sight of observers.
I need to go back and watch the video again. Was up until 2:30 am finishing the hearing video and I’m tired. I know they pulled the black table in front of the scanner but don’t know how/where they were working. I know this is fraud—it’s the clown world we live in that requires us to go to Herculean lengths to prove this.
Yeah, but it shouldn't. The fact that the laws were ignored, chain of custody tainted, etc. to such an extent that it could make a difference... that is enough on its own to invalidate the election.
If a website's security certificate is invalid, should you enter your banking info and just trust that they are who they say they are? No. Same concept applies here.
Also they specifically made it almost impossible to have direct proof of anything, for example they kicked out republicans and didn't allow cameras (oops they still got caught because that's how widespread this was). Not to mention that if people come forward their lives get ruined (the opposite of what happens if you come forward to help the left).
Yes. That’s what makes me so angry. The whole election is fraudulent to begin with, over and over and over and over we have testimonies, witnesses, HARD EVIDENCE of fraud and people are freaking acting like Forky from Toy Story when presented with the evidence and that “debunks” our claims. I’ve never been more angry in my life.
THIS. We should not even need to prove fraud. All that needs to be proven is that the laws required to prevent fraud from taking place were not followed. If the laws the legislature puts in place to ensure a fair and transparent election are not followed, how can anyone be reasonably assured of a fair election? You can't. All the actually evidence of fraud is just icing on the cake as far as I am concerned.
It is clear there were deliberate actions in urban polling locations to lock out adversarial oversight. It is unacceptable and should lead to those locations having their votes, at an absolute minimum, subject to an intense audit.
Is it a technicality? Maybe they didn't "ask", so they can truthfully state that. But if they LIED and said no more counting tonight, let's all go home, that's way worse. No crook would fess up to that.
On an assembly line you have people who do a specific function a million times. What they are alleging is that that entire room full of people that were sent home's only function was to open the envelopes and seperate them from the ballots to be counted by these 4 people after the ballot cutters purpose was complete.
Yeah but aren’t signatures supposed to be verified by a Republican and Democrat at the opening process? That’s where the signature verification check is supposed to count, as Elena Parent ridiculously argued last night. So if this is their claim, they are removing the signature verification at ALL points which is illegal even against their new stupid rule they made up earlier.
Didn’t realize I was going to have to become an election process master by the end of this. But yeah, there’s no justification for this video and their debunking can be debunked with this reasoning. I like to make sure I have all the claims ahead of time so I can prove them wrong with their own reasoning when I argue with idiots
What the heck are ballot cutters now?
I dont know, they are claiming there are people who separate the ballot from the envelope, and put them in some sort of container, for them to be counted later. I believe mail in vote validation requires an envelope in order to validate. If this is a two step process, validate, then put aside for counting later (when observers are not required), its FUCKING RETARDED. Does it violate GA state law that the legislators specified, I dont know. So 1. Are they indeed cutters. 2. Is it legal to count votes outside the sight of observers.
I need to go back and watch the video again. Was up until 2:30 am finishing the hearing video and I’m tired. I know they pulled the black table in front of the scanner but don’t know how/where they were working. I know this is fraud—it’s the clown world we live in that requires us to go to Herculean lengths to prove this.
Yeah, but it shouldn't. The fact that the laws were ignored, chain of custody tainted, etc. to such an extent that it could make a difference... that is enough on its own to invalidate the election.
If a website's security certificate is invalid, should you enter your banking info and just trust that they are who they say they are? No. Same concept applies here.
Also they specifically made it almost impossible to have direct proof of anything, for example they kicked out republicans and didn't allow cameras (oops they still got caught because that's how widespread this was). Not to mention that if people come forward their lives get ruined (the opposite of what happens if you come forward to help the left).
Yes. That’s what makes me so angry. The whole election is fraudulent to begin with, over and over and over and over we have testimonies, witnesses, HARD EVIDENCE of fraud and people are freaking acting like Forky from Toy Story when presented with the evidence and that “debunks” our claims. I’ve never been more angry in my life.
THIS. We should not even need to prove fraud. All that needs to be proven is that the laws required to prevent fraud from taking place were not followed. If the laws the legislature puts in place to ensure a fair and transparent election are not followed, how can anyone be reasonably assured of a fair election? You can't. All the actually evidence of fraud is just icing on the cake as far as I am concerned.
It is clear there were deliberate actions in urban polling locations to lock out adversarial oversight. It is unacceptable and should lead to those locations having their votes, at an absolute minimum, subject to an intense audit.
2 is definitely illegal. Georgia requires vote counting to be open to the public.
Which is why the alleged "fact checker" claims that no one was asked to leave, but the observers left on their own. The facts say otherwise though.
Is it a technicality? Maybe they didn't "ask", so they can truthfully state that. But if they LIED and said no more counting tonight, let's all go home, that's way worse. No crook would fess up to that.
Even if they alluded they would not be needed (lied) it would still be kicking them out from a legal perspective, using reasonable person theory.
I don't fucking care what they are.
WHY DID THEY LIE AND SEND THE OBSERVERS HOME AND THEN CONTINUE WORKING ONLY AFTER THEY WERE NO LONGER BEING WATCHED?
Give me a legitimate answer to that question and then and only then will I entertain your explanations of why these activities might be legitimate.
Until then, all you're doing is covering your ass.
On an assembly line you have people who do a specific function a million times. What they are alleging is that that entire room full of people that were sent home's only function was to open the envelopes and seperate them from the ballots to be counted by these 4 people after the ballot cutters purpose was complete.
Yeah but aren’t signatures supposed to be verified by a Republican and Democrat at the opening process? That’s where the signature verification check is supposed to count, as Elena Parent ridiculously argued last night. So if this is their claim, they are removing the signature verification at ALL points which is illegal even against their new stupid rule they made up earlier.
Yes and both sides were not there. Either way the law was broken.
Didn’t realize I was going to have to become an election process master by the end of this. But yeah, there’s no justification for this video and their debunking can be debunked with this reasoning. I like to make sure I have all the claims ahead of time so I can prove them wrong with their own reasoning when I argue with idiots
How very government: use 25 people to the do the job of 5.
Cutting up ballots they don't like, knowing the dems