Article two of the constitution gives state legislators the sole authority, that trumps any law in their state constitution, to pick the time and the manner of their electors to send to the electoral college whenever their laws and provisions on how to conduct their election is violated.
Now the legislators are the faithful church of Philadelphia. They hold the key of David. Once the gate is open, it cannot be closed. They just have to realize the authority they have and use it to save the nation.
Totally agree. I hate making these calls but I’ve been hounding Kemp, Purdue, Loeffler, and all my own Reps in GA and we’re getting momentum here. It does work.
Exactly. They likely are waiting and don't want to be harassed by antifa. Show them they are fucked either way and shouldn't have taken the job if they were afraid of public scrutiny of their actions.
It could influence the Supreme Court, esp. if public pressure builds and more evidence comes forward. There is a lot of evidence out there, but a lot of afraid people.
Did the certifications for the down ballots go through, or are they still held up per court order (as of this last weekend)?
Technically, according to the US Constitution & PA Constitution; since legally atm (if the injunction still stopping downballot certifications is in effect), means the entirety of the PA State Legislature is 50% of their PA Senate who wasn't up for re-election this cycle.
So assuming those people weren't fraudulently elected in 2018 (ya Dems stole seats then); and assuming 3 USC 2 is legal; then the "quarum majority" required to sign a Slate of Electors would basically be the entirety of the PA Senate Republcan caucus who sorta have a 1 seat majority. 13 Republicans to 12 Democrats. Technically some Dems could join :)
Federal constitution article 2 gives state legislators plenary power to select the day and the manner on which they choose their electors in cases where the laws and provisions on how to conduct their election that they enacted have been violated. State constitution cannot supersede this power.
This power was written in for exactly a situation like this: where the executive branch has been compromised
Which would suggest they could gather enough legislators for a quorum and then decertify / appoint electors / etc.
I'm having a really hard time understanding why these GOP legislatures don't just do this. If the shoe were on the other foot, you know the Dems would*.
*Any state with a majority Dem legislature would be deep, deep blue, so this issue would never come up in reality.
First amendment to the constitution also applies, any law that would prevent people from peacefully assembling (congress critters too) is an illegal law.
The US Constitution supersedes in this case, because the state legislatures powers regarding federal elections are plenary. That's already an established SCOTUS precedent. They do not have to wait for the Gov to call a Special Session for them to meet on this issue. This was already clarified by 2 SCOTUS decisions.
The US Constitution supersedes in this case, because the state legislatures powers regarding federal elections are plenary.
Word nerd here...since I just learned this one today, I figured someone else might be wondering what is plenary power...it's power that is absolute or without limitation
Millions of clamoring patriots clogged the streets of every city until the president was granted lifetime plenary power to suspend elections and eradicate terrorists, traitors, and communists.
The US Constitution supersedes in this case, because the state legislatures powers regarding federal elections are plenary. That's already an established SCOTUS precedent. They do not have to wait for the Gov to call a Special Session for them to meet on this issue. This right protected outlined within the Constitution was already clarified by 2 SCOTUS decisions.
I agree with you. Though, any such action by the legislature would surely be challenged in court. We know how the PA supreme court would rule, so this would end up in front of SCOTUS for sure.
This was talked about in the GA hearing yesterday. The scotus ruled that this plenary power is not constrained by state law, how can the mechanic of exercising this authority be constrained by state law? The state constitution and statutes cannot restrain this vested constitutional power.
When State Legislatures appoint a SLATE of their State's Electors, they aren't passing a law or a bill. So 99.999% of the rules, and laws which govern such normal procedures are completely irrelevant here.
Technically, they don't even all have to be in the same room to sign (though this is nice of course). The minimum required is:
the State Legislative members having been lawfully sworn into office,
that a quarum/majority of each branch (if bi-camberal) sign, and
make sure the Electors are legally qualified as per the US Constitution (a few requirements & restrictions).
A document as simple as:
"We the majority of members of the current State Legislature of ______ State; select this list of lawful persons as our Electors for the Dec 2020 voting by the Electors for POTUS & VP of the USA. Electors shall show up at ______ (usually the State Capital) at _____ time, on Dec 14th, 2020 to do their Constitutional Provided duty, is hereby
Name of #1 Elector
Name of #2 Elector
Name of #3 Elector
etc.
Signed
________ Name of _____ State Legislature Member #1 on ______ Date at ____ Place in ________ State (same as above).
<repeat>
Remember this is how the Founders put in the Constitution selects POTUS's and VPs, so it designed to work even with raging wars, civil wars, plagues, 99% illiteracy, spanning across continents/globe, without paved roads, empty governorships/executive offices, missing members, etc.
spez: So In PA's situation atm, this would be 13 PA State Senators of the 25 PA Senators elected in 2018 whom are sworn in; (if the certifications are still on hold from the Election on down ballot contests, including 100% of the PA House seats, and 50% of the PA Senate seats.)
Ok, but are they going to do this? Does anyone with any power actually have something like this in the works. The PA leader of the Republicans, Cutler, is apparently a total cuck. We need someone like Mastriano to spearhead this.
They do not have to meet in formal session to do this. The Constitution says they decide what happens with their electors and it is at their sole discretion. It doesn't say they can only decide during a formal session. They can call each other up on the phone and decide to meet at a pizza joint and call the vote there, and there's not a god damn thing the governor can do about it.
This. They can do whatever they want when it comes to the election because they are not acting in a capacity at the state level, but at the federal level.
Article 2 of the constitution. Easy to Google and it's one paragraph.
They pick the electors. Period.
It is explicitly their right to pick the electors in black and white (Well, in aged yellowish paper). They need to exercise their right and do their sworn duty.
State constitution and laws DO NOT supercede the US Constitution which is clear as a bell on this specific and exact issue.
Thankfully the founding fathers thought of that, too.
It's more of a last resort option, but if they won't do their duty then we will have to do our duty....if the people lose control of the ballot box, of congress and the courts the founding fathers gave us one last ace in the hole.
this is not exactly correct. the US constitution applies to federal law enforcement, and the state constitutions apply to state law enforcement.
if your state passes a law that says you can smoke crack as long as you do it in a state courthouse, then the state police cannot stop you, and in some cases, depending on how it's drafted, the state may have a legal obligation to refuse cooperation with federal law enforcement.
so does this mean the the 20 electoral votes are removed from the total pool of votes? I pray it is. Now we need georgia to do the same and just one other state.
sure, it's convoluted and would take some bravery on the part of congress. most likely is just the invalidation and getting Biden below 270 to bring it to congress.
"Under the Constitution, the vice president serves as the president of the Senate and presides over the Senate's daily proceedings. In the absence of the vice president, the Senate's president pro tempore (and others designated by him) presides. As one of the Senate's constitutional officers, only the Vice President has the authority to cast a tie-breaking vote. "
Legislature has the ability to chose their own electors in cases of widespread fraud. All of the contested states have R Majority legislatures so guess who their chosen electors will pick.
The problem is that every Republican legislature has been full of cowards up until now with a few brave exceptions. We have to keep pushing. Keep calling and emailing Republican legislators who haven't signed yet.
I don't think it's that simple. They tried to get their own version of the bill passed but the cuck Majority leader wouldn't sign on, so it effectively got shut down. I mean they should absolutely keep trying to get their own bill passed, but short of that it's not wasteful to try to put pressure on congress to do the same (though we all know that will never work)
That's only because SCOTUS ruled that rights can be regulated, in some cases, but not denied. PA straight-up violated their own Constitution and the GOP members voted in favor of it, making it all a big mess.
I think it was the state constitution says voting will be held on this one day, dems couldn’t change the state constitution without an act of god so technically Aluto could have them throw out all mail in ballots. That would piss off a lot of libs
The Safe Harbor deadline doesn't matter if a state is still in dispute- in this case, a pending SCOTUS case does just that.
December 8th and 14th have no constitutional basis, and there is past precedent for changing those deadlines.
Pound sand loser (pacobell). Bush V Gore and the prior elections in the 1860s/1870s in both situations declared that the State Legislatures Article II Section 1 Clause 2 and 3 powers are plenary and can be resumed AT ANY TIME.
In fact, the Florida Legislature in 2000 was already in session putting the electors up when the Supreme Court made it a moot point while saying unequivocally that they were in the right.
THEY CAN TAKE IT BACK ANY TIME THEY WANT. They just have to have the will to do what is right.
This is correct. Watch the professor from the Georgia case. He addresses this situation specifically. Basically, electors go to the popular vote winner only if the law passed by the legislature was followed. And, it was not. The law was changed by the SOS. That alone, even without fraud, invalidates the popular vote and requires the legislature perform their constitutional duty (i.e. the US Constitution) to chose the electors.
Brother I have to say, I feel the same way. People will call me a doomer but I'm being realistic and logical, disconnected from emotion. I am a diehard patriot and supporter too. But I also can see whats going on without allowing my own wants and desires to obscure my vision. They'll downvote and call you doomer and to be honest they're right to do so. That kind of negativity spreading would invalidate any chance Trump has to pulling out of this. They likely count on it. I see that as well. The recent tape of table ballots gives me hope but with respect to courts the clock is about to run out.
Trump doesn't appear to have had a plan B. If the world was fair, all the rallies and support of the people would be enough but it's not. I'd prefer he had a plan to catch them in the act or even to do whatever it takes to win himself. The stakes are as high as can be, our future is at stake here.
Technically if the legislature voted before December 8th to have he electoral appointees by law be forced to select Trump then Trump would get the electoral votes.
EMAIL THEM THE PDF AND TELL THEM TO FUCKING GROW A PAIR LIKE THESE FINE REPRESENTATIVES IN PENNSYLVANIA
Mention that irregularities similar to those found in Pennsylvania happend in YOUR state too, and you demand your legislature act like men and not chinese pussbags
That doesn't matter, though. They only need 102. This is talking about the house. I believe they have the support from the senate. They only needed like 26 there, and I thought they had the support.
The super-lawyer from the hearings yesterday said legislators DO NOT need a 2/3rds supermajority OR the governor/SOS to call a special session where they can put this through!!!
I'm not sure if that even applies here, or if that was just a Georgia thing or what? But if so, these legislators MAY NOT KNOW that they have the power themselves...
If the info does apply, we need to get it to them asap!
They know they have the power. They are too scared to exercise it. We need to let them know that they need to do their jobs and they need to do it now.
They are spineless little twats for not doing this themselves. They also could have chalkenged their own Supreme Court and avoided this whole fucking fiasco, but they chose to bury their tiny little skulls in the sand.
Definitely punting here, but think given circumstances it's one of the best moves they had given the last day of assembly i believe was Nov 30, and Speaker Bryan Cutler was saying they didn't have the amount of days required to pass the resolution put forward before ( at least he signed this though ).
And further this is only roughly 30% of the entire Pennsylvania General Assembly ( 203 house + 50 senate ).
We should find out what Republic members didn't sign this and flood them with calls.
Do not trust the spineless PA state legislattor. They're feckless self serving cocks. I'm sure the left is applying pressure to them Andy they will fold easesly.
This is a punt, for now. Splitting the baby is something these clowns do best. Better than nothing I guess. Now they need a special session to formally reverse the certification. Otherwise it'll end up in court and force them to do it.
Give. Wolf resides in the executive branch. Pennsylvania lawmakers make up the legislative branch. Separation of powers means Wolf holds no authority on when legislators meet in formal session.
im not being a downer but this means nothing unless the PA legislature does something themselves. no way in hell pelosi run congress is gonna reject the electors. it doesnt sound like PA legislature has the balls or integrity to do the right thing. Pa will flip or be thrown out in courts. most likely by the supreme court
ridiculous, can anyone find a spine. DEMAND them to hold a special session. This seems to be a hot potato nobody wants to touch. People need to realize there is no sweeping an elephant under a rug, literally...Trump Won, face the music you gutless turds
So they've just said that they're not going to assign electors, and instead they're just taking the easy way out and telling Congress to do it for them?
My Rep is on there but my senator Aument is not. That dick has an office in Lititz PA so he probably licks the liberal ass of Tait Towers, Atomic Design, and Claire Global. He’s gonna get a phone call from me on Monday.
Given the content of the hearings and the extent of the fraud there would be some kudos for the first group of state legislators to step up and do this themselves. They would earn their place in history simply by doing their job. There’s no loss for them here. Trump won PA.
Article two of the constitution gives state legislators the sole authority, that trumps any law in their state constitution, to pick the time and the manner of their electors to send to the electoral college whenever their laws and provisions on how to conduct their election is violated.
https://thedonald.win/p/11QlFicwSJ/3-us-code-5-determination-of-con/c/
Exactly, besides if I learned anything from the government in the last 5 years are the rules don't matter. Do whatever you feel you can get away with.
Might makes right, not strongly worded letters.
Ok so PA bros, make some noise at the state legislatures. This is maddening.
This is a ploy to take heat off them,,, they think we are so dumb that we will believe they did something.
Its a hot potato and these slimy politicians don't want anything to do with it.
Yes, this was covered in the hearing yesterday, when Giuliani was questioning the giant brained professor.
Oh, so you're saying there is a law preventing American citizens from peacefully assembling? I seem to remember reading something about that once...
1776
The Constitution doesn't care if they are in session or not.
This. “In session” we pay these bums to work for us. This is way more important than whatever they have going on
Now the legislators are the faithful church of Philadelphia. They hold the key of David. Once the gate is open, it cannot be closed. They just have to realize the authority they have and use it to save the nation.
That's what I was just looking up. The fact they only got 76 to sign this is pretty fucking depressing. How many rinos they have up there?
they only had 25 a few days ago. keep calling and emailing!
This.
It's annoying as fuck but it actually seems to be helping.
Totally agree. I hate making these calls but I’ve been hounding Kemp, Purdue, Loeffler, and all my own Reps in GA and we’re getting momentum here. It does work.
Exactly. They likely are waiting and don't want to be harassed by antifa. Show them they are fucked either way and shouldn't have taken the job if they were afraid of public scrutiny of their actions.
Whatever happened to declaring antifa a terrorist organization? Did anything come of that?
I have called and emailed about 50. I guess we need to keep plugging away.
It could influence the Supreme Court, esp. if public pressure builds and more evidence comes forward. There is a lot of evidence out there, but a lot of afraid people.
So they can pretend like they did something and will tell their constituents that they are magars!!
Did the certifications for the down ballots go through, or are they still held up per court order (as of this last weekend)?
Technically, according to the US Constitution & PA Constitution; since legally atm (if the injunction still stopping downballot certifications is in effect), means the entirety of the PA State Legislature is 50% of their PA Senate who wasn't up for re-election this cycle. So assuming those people weren't fraudulently elected in 2018 (ya Dems stole seats then); and assuming 3 USC 2 is legal; then the "quarum majority" required to sign a Slate of Electors would basically be the entirety of the PA Senate Republcan caucus who sorta have a 1 seat majority. 13 Republicans to 12 Democrats. Technically some Dems could join :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Pennsylvania_Senate_election
Looks like we need another smoking gun video in Philly.
If I look up who didn't am I going to find old guard Repubs protecting their way of life? If I look it up I have no idea who is who in PA.
Thats the correct answer
Their power is clearly defined in the US constitution. The PA constitution is irrelevant.
Federal constitution article 2 gives state legislators plenary power to select the day and the manner on which they choose their electors in cases where the laws and provisions on how to conduct their election that they enacted have been violated. State constitution cannot supersede this power.
This power was written in for exactly a situation like this: where the executive branch has been compromised
Which would suggest they could gather enough legislators for a quorum and then decertify / appoint electors / etc.
I'm having a really hard time understanding why these GOP legislatures don't just do this. If the shoe were on the other foot, you know the Dems would*.
*Any state with a majority Dem legislature would be deep, deep blue, so this issue would never come up in reality.
Straight from Rudy, he says they are cucking out
https://youtu.be/81hlgki4hk0?t=1538
First amendment to the constitution also applies, any law that would prevent people from peacefully assembling (congress critters too) is an illegal law.
The constitution also has a remedy for a tyrannical government.. and we are beyond the threshhold for tyranny
The US Constitution supersedes in this case, because the state legislatures powers regarding federal elections are plenary. That's already an established SCOTUS precedent. They do not have to wait for the Gov to call a Special Session for them to meet on this issue. This was already clarified by 2 SCOTUS decisions.
Word nerd here...since I just learned this one today, I figured someone else might be wondering what is plenary power...it's power that is absolute or without limitation
Millions of clamoring patriots clogged the streets of every city until the president was granted lifetime plenary power to suspend elections and eradicate terrorists, traitors, and communists.
Supremacy Clause
Reeeeeeeeeee!!
The state constitution is irrelevant if it violates the US constitution. If Kemp tried to stop them I’m sure he would lose.
They could convene anyway and vote and it will be completely valid for federal purposes.
We are under 2 Governments, and we have to follow the rules for both. They set their Constitution, and have to abide by it as well as the US one.
The US Constitution supersedes in this case, because the state legislatures powers regarding federal elections are plenary. That's already an established SCOTUS precedent. They do not have to wait for the Gov to call a Special Session for them to meet on this issue. This right protected outlined within the Constitution was already clarified by 2 SCOTUS decisions.
I agree with you. Though, any such action by the legislature would surely be challenged in court. We know how the PA supreme court would rule, so this would end up in front of SCOTUS for sure.
So... go ahead and do it anyway.
Yeah, the question is what they actually do here. It seems like the legislature simply does not want to make the move.
I agree
Are any legislators taking up legal challenges to this in the courts? Doing anything to combat it?
No. They post on Twitter like 16 year old girls.
Seems more like grandstanding at this point. The electoral college votes on the 14th.
But Pence presides over what votes get accepted on January 6th
This is like the bullied kid asking somebody else to kick his bullies' ass, except the bullied kid is a 6' 5" linebacker.
They can't, their governor wont let them convene
This. The executive doesn't dictate when the legislative meets.
The legislatures plenary power can be exercised at any time and is not constrained by state law. Wolf cannot hold the US consitution hostage.
This was talked about in the GA hearing yesterday. The scotus ruled that this plenary power is not constrained by state law, how can the mechanic of exercising this authority be constrained by state law? The state constitution and statutes cannot restrain this vested constitutional power.
Important Legal Redpill distinction:
When State Legislatures appoint a SLATE of their State's Electors, they aren't passing a law or a bill. So 99.999% of the rules, and laws which govern such normal procedures are completely irrelevant here.
Technically, they don't even all have to be in the same room to sign (though this is nice of course). The minimum required is:
the State Legislative members having been lawfully sworn into office,
that a quarum/majority of each branch (if bi-camberal) sign, and
make sure the Electors are legally qualified as per the US Constitution (a few requirements & restrictions).
A document as simple as:
"We the majority of members of the current State Legislature of ______ State; select this list of lawful persons as our Electors for the Dec 2020 voting by the Electors for POTUS & VP of the USA. Electors shall show up at ______ (usually the State Capital) at _____ time, on Dec 14th, 2020 to do their Constitutional Provided duty, is hereby
Name of #1 Elector
Name of #2 Elector
Name of #3 Elector
etc.
Signed
________ Name of _____ State Legislature Member #1 on ______ Date at ____ Place in ________ State (same as above).
<repeat>
Remember this is how the Founders put in the Constitution selects POTUS's and VPs, so it designed to work even with raging wars, civil wars, plagues, 99% illiteracy, spanning across continents/globe, without paved roads, empty governorships/executive offices, missing members, etc.
spez: So In PA's situation atm, this would be 13 PA State Senators of the 25 PA Senators elected in 2018 whom are sworn in; (if the certifications are still on hold from the Election on down ballot contests, including 100% of the PA House seats, and 50% of the PA Senate seats.)
Ok, but are they going to do this? Does anyone with any power actually have something like this in the works. The PA leader of the Republicans, Cutler, is apparently a total cuck. We need someone like Mastriano to spearhead this.
Their plenary power as outlined in the US Constitution trumps any state/local law, including the PA Constitution.
They do not have to meet in formal session to do this. The Constitution says they decide what happens with their electors and it is at their sole discretion. It doesn't say they can only decide during a formal session. They can call each other up on the phone and decide to meet at a pizza joint and call the vote there, and there's not a god damn thing the governor can do about it.
Sounds like they don't know this. Can we contact them somehow?
EXACTLY. This is all going to court. The executive can try and discredit their session there.
heck, they would be welcome to meet at my house. or my church for that matter.
They could meet at denny's but they are fence riding thinking it's still the old Democrats that will let them hang around the club if they vote right.
They made the argument in GA that you don’t need to, the power is plenary and the us constitution supersedes state laws or constitution
This. They can do whatever they want when it comes to the election because they are not acting in a capacity at the state level, but at the federal level.
Article 2 of the constitution. Easy to Google and it's one paragraph.
They pick the electors. Period.
It is explicitly their right to pick the electors in black and white (Well, in aged yellowish paper). They need to exercise their right and do their sworn duty.
State constitution and laws DO NOT supercede the US Constitution which is clear as a bell on this specific and exact issue.
DO YOUR JOBS OR WE WILL ELECT SOMEONE WHO WILL.
Thankfully the founding fathers thought of that, too.
It's more of a last resort option, but if they won't do their duty then we will have to do our duty....if the people lose control of the ballot box, of congress and the courts the founding fathers gave us one last ace in the hole.
The power of friendship will allow us to beat them uwu
this is not exactly correct. the US constitution applies to federal law enforcement, and the state constitutions apply to state law enforcement.
if your state passes a law that says you can smoke crack as long as you do it in a state courthouse, then the state police cannot stop you, and in some cases, depending on how it's drafted, the state may have a legal obligation to refuse cooperation with federal law enforcement.
Yes, in EVERY case that the constitution does cover the authority is vested in the states. If it isn't in the constitution, the states decide.
This exact issue is addressed specifically in the US Constitution...so the state laws can pound sand.
It's the same as a state banning guns or free speech. They can make all the laws they want, but if it's unconstitutional then it's unconstitutional.
again, not exactly. states can't take more rights than the US constitution, but they can certainly give more.
Federal constitution beats state. Plenary power
Nope. Those legislators' fault.
Last Friday the PA GOP SPEAKER and PA GOP HOUSE MAJORITY LEADER told us to go fuck ourselves. The final legislative day was 4 days ago, on 11/30.
This is THEIR fault. Fuck all of them except the brave senator who was the only one brave to even propose his bill.
THEY can only do it. Not congress. And especially not with dem house majority.
Fuck all of you PA legislators except the brave senator who single-handedly started the plan a week ago, of course.
Well what happens after Pelosi becomes president?
Repugs are pussies. I thought that was common knowledge.
so does this mean the the 20 electoral votes are removed from the total pool of votes? I pray it is. Now we need georgia to do the same and just one other state.
If congress rejects, yes. Or the legislators can pick their own electors and congress would have to accept that.
he does announce votes after all casting is done but speaker can reject the state
sure, it's convoluted and would take some bravery on the part of congress. most likely is just the invalidation and getting Biden below 270 to bring it to congress.
Or a judge rules that the 100 billion mail-in votes that were printed and scanned 90 times each at 4am are unconsitutional.
Doesn't seem like that breaks any laws, silly! Laws are invalid when Democrats need votes!
So, our only betting chance is invalidating PA then? There has been too much news coming these past few days to keep up.
Looking like it now - general assembly are cowards.
The power to accept or reject electors lies with the President of the Senate, which is the Vice President.
Pence is not the President of the Senate. That is Chuck Grassley
Try again, friend. https://www.senate.gov/reference/Index/Vice_President.htm
"Under the Constitution, the vice president serves as the president of the Senate and presides over the Senate's daily proceedings. In the absence of the vice president, the Senate's president pro tempore (and others designated by him) presides. As one of the Senate's constitutional officers, only the Vice President has the authority to cast a tie-breaking vote. "
Both chambers must agree for votes to be excluded.
Chuck Grassley is President of the Senate.
No.
Wrong
It is: https://www.luc.edu/media/lucedu/law/students/publications/llj/pdfs/vol-51/issue-2/7_Foley%20(309-362).pdf
Must read
Pence can reject Biden Electors if Pennsylvania sends multiple slates of Electors.
That is the ONLY way. Pennsylvania GOP ducks are sending Biden Electors. One slate. Pence cannot reject.
I think its the Speaker. Not the VP as he only presides over upper chamber which is also the side that would elect the VP and the P is the Houses
Thanks, hears a dummy pic that breaks it down by action.
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF11641
But he only reads results and calls for objections. He’s like the chairman on a committee so to speak
Nope read this https://www.luc.edu/media/lucedu/law/students/publications/llj/pdfs/vol-51/issue-2/7_Foley%20(309-362).pdf
I did a year ago. and then again 3 days ago
Congress won't reject. Look at 2017 when Biden gaveled his own Dems to shut the fuck up and he told them at the very end: "Give it up....It's over".
Al Gore did the same to his own Dems in 2001.
These POS legislators and House members are going to try to pass the buck and blame it all on Pence, LMAO.
Not gonna work on us, you treasonous POS.
Pence cannot reject. Only both chambers can exclude votes.
"can pick their own electors"
Let me fix that for you: "Has the constitutional duty to pick electors and swore an oath that they would execute that duty upon taking office"
Black and white, article 2 of the constitution.
Legislature has the ability to chose their own electors in cases of widespread fraud. All of the contested states have R Majority legislatures so guess who their chosen electors will pick.
The problem is that every Republican legislature has been full of cowards up until now with a few brave exceptions. We have to keep pushing. Keep calling and emailing Republican legislators who haven't signed yet.
You’re right I was thinking about what would happen if states become decertified.
I don't think it's that simple. They tried to get their own version of the bill passed but the cuck Majority leader wouldn't sign on, so it effectively got shut down. I mean they should absolutely keep trying to get their own bill passed, but short of that it's not wasteful to try to put pressure on congress to do the same (though we all know that will never work)
This.
Congress won't reject. Look at 2017 when Biden gaveled his own Dems to shut the fuck up and he told them at the very end: "Give it up....It's over".
Al Gore did the same to his own Dems in 2001.
These POS legislators and House members are going to try to pass the buck and blame it all on Pence, LMAO.
Not gonna work on us, you treasonous POS.
If so, that’s BULLSHIT. We WON Georgia. Give us the votes don’t take them out of the pool.
Okay, what happens from here?
You don't need to revise the law.
Its the legislator's job. They can't make a law to change the US Constitution.
oof
That's only because SCOTUS ruled that rights can be regulated, in some cases, but not denied. PA straight-up violated their own Constitution and the GOP members voted in favor of it, making it all a big mess.
I think it was the state constitution says voting will be held on this one day, dems couldn’t change the state constitution without an act of god so technically Aluto could have them throw out all mail in ballots. That would piss off a lot of libs
What about Supreme Court? Take too long I assume
The Safe Harbor deadline doesn't matter if a state is still in dispute- in this case, a pending SCOTUS case does just that. December 8th and 14th have no constitutional basis, and there is past precedent for changing those deadlines.
Justice Alito doesn't play games.
But the constitutional law supersedes State law. I thought the constitution said that the representatives choose electors
Pound sand loser (pacobell). Bush V Gore and the prior elections in the 1860s/1870s in both situations declared that the State Legislatures Article II Section 1 Clause 2 and 3 powers are plenary and can be resumed AT ANY TIME.
In fact, the Florida Legislature in 2000 was already in session putting the electors up when the Supreme Court made it a moot point while saying unequivocally that they were in the right.
THEY CAN TAKE IT BACK ANY TIME THEY WANT. They just have to have the will to do what is right.
New account. Check out his short posting history...it's all doomer "just give up" stuff. Deport.
This. The Supreme Court will uphold whatever decision the state legislature makes, but they're not going to do their jobs for them.
This is accurate.
Did you see that professor last night in Georgia?
He says they Legislator is still responsible. And if the election was spoiled they still have to chose the electors.
So either they accept a fraud election or they pick their own slate.
Watch this guy. I learned a ton from him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzE-Eow4L9Y
Pacobell's a two days old account doomer who's not interested in anything other than being a doomer. Not learning from the professor.
This is correct. Watch the professor from the Georgia case. He addresses this situation specifically. Basically, electors go to the popular vote winner only if the law passed by the legislature was followed. And, it was not. The law was changed by the SOS. That alone, even without fraud, invalidates the popular vote and requires the legislature perform their constitutional duty (i.e. the US Constitution) to chose the electors.
So a doomer/troll?
Brother I have to say, I feel the same way. People will call me a doomer but I'm being realistic and logical, disconnected from emotion. I am a diehard patriot and supporter too. But I also can see whats going on without allowing my own wants and desires to obscure my vision. They'll downvote and call you doomer and to be honest they're right to do so. That kind of negativity spreading would invalidate any chance Trump has to pulling out of this. They likely count on it. I see that as well. The recent tape of table ballots gives me hope but with respect to courts the clock is about to run out.
Trump doesn't appear to have had a plan B. If the world was fair, all the rallies and support of the people would be enough but it's not. I'd prefer he had a plan to catch them in the act or even to do whatever it takes to win himself. The stakes are as high as can be, our future is at stake here.
They will if it's against the constitution.
Technically if the legislature voted before December 8th to have he electoral appointees by law be forced to select Trump then Trump would get the electoral votes.
FROM HERE, IF YOU LIVE IN Georgia, Michigan, Nevada.... SEND YOUR REPRESSENTATIVE THIS FUCKING LETTER!!!
http://www.pahousegopnews.com/AttachedFiles/12.04.20%20Congress%20Election%202020.pdf
EMAIL THEM THE PDF AND TELL THEM TO FUCKING GROW A PAIR LIKE THESE FINE REPRESENTATIVES IN PENNSYLVANIA
Mention that irregularities similar to those found in Pennsylvania happend in YOUR state too, and you demand your legislature act like men and not chinese pussbags
We demand they execute their constitutional duty and pick the electors.
No passing of the buck, no wimping out. They do their duty or pay the price.
That's what happens from here.
there are 203 legislators so they need 102 for a majority
CONTACT YOUR LEGISLATORS PEOPLE!!!!
https://stopthesteal.us/legislators.cfm?state=Pennsylvania
DO SO NOW!
For context there are a total of 253 state legislatures in PA. ~30%
That doesn't matter, though. They only need 102. This is talking about the house. I believe they have the support from the senate. They only needed like 26 there, and I thought they had the support.
WE CAN STILL GET THERE!
CONTACT YOUR LEGISLATORS!!!
https://stopthesteal.us/legislators.cfm?state=Pennsylvania
76 of 113 republicans; need to find 26 more to take their head out of their ass and it gets fixed.
CONTACT YOUR LEGISLATORS!!!
https://stopthesteal.us/legislators.cfm?state=Pennsylvania
That's 26 members short of meaning anything.
two days
CALL YOUR LEGISLATORS NOW! KEEP UP THE HEAT!
https://stopthesteal.us/legislators.cfm?state=Pennsylvania
CALL, EMAIL, TEXT YOUR LEGISLATORS AND PISS IN THEIR EARS...WITH FIRE AND VINEGAR!!!
https://stopthesteal.us/legislators.cfm?state=Pennsylvania
DO SO NOW
Keep emailing and calling. it was only 23 supporters a week ago for the bill.
The super-lawyer from the hearings yesterday said legislators DO NOT need a 2/3rds supermajority OR the governor/SOS to call a special session where they can put this through!!!
I'm not sure if that even applies here, or if that was just a Georgia thing or what? But if so, these legislators MAY NOT KNOW that they have the power themselves...
If the info does apply, we need to get it to them asap!
They know they have the power. They are too scared to exercise it. We need to let them know that they need to do their jobs and they need to do it now.
Call, write, email.
They want another state to do it first so they don't put their necks too far out there.
This is true. But we need to be writing them, calling them, and emailing them...not asking, demanding that they do their jobs.
Let them know that the people who put them in office will remove them if they refuse to do the exact job they were elected to do.
Have you personally called and emailed them?
I have done so, and everyone needs to do so ASAP
https://stopthesteal.us/legislators.cfm?state=Pennsylvania
This list needs to include only those names of those that haven't signed in PA. Right now, it includes everybody.
That's almost half of them
That is super gay wow. What a faggot doomer.
DEPORT THIS FAGGOT
They need 102. So 26 short.
This can happen. Keep calling and emailing all of those not on the list.
https://stopthesteal.us/legislators.cfm?state=Pennsylvania
CALL THEM NOW
Half the Rs, which are just over half the legislators
They are spineless little twats for not doing this themselves. They also could have chalkenged their own Supreme Court and avoided this whole fucking fiasco, but they chose to bury their tiny little skulls in the sand.
Pennsylvania: The Kuckstone State....
strongly worded request. right, so nothing but more dereliction of duty
wolf needs punched in the mouth
Not a majority, they are passing the problem onto someone else and there isn't really a path to victory here.
I'm not a doomer but this is nothing but lip service. We need something else.
Why the Fuck don’t THEY do it ? It’s THEIR power !
WHO ELSE IS FEELING THIS ACCELERATE
Thanks 3 hour account! Lol.
You are a mean person. I prefer idiots to assholes.
They aren't passing the buck, this isn't 51% which is needed to move forward with it.
Definitely punting here, but think given circumstances it's one of the best moves they had given the last day of assembly i believe was Nov 30, and Speaker Bryan Cutler was saying they didn't have the amount of days required to pass the resolution put forward before ( at least he signed this though ).
And further this is only roughly 30% of the entire Pennsylvania General Assembly ( 203 house + 50 senate ).
We should find out what Republic members didn't sign this and flood them with calls.
My first post btw.
"Bryan Cutler" - that fucking cunt. He's the one that cause all of this shit.
76 out of how many?
113R 253 total
102 apparently, needs simple majority to mean anything
Out of 102 needed votes, to clarify.
Fucking sacks of shit. Don't ask others to do what YOU should be doing.
Great news!!!
they can fuck off. this os a punt
Do not trust the spineless PA state legislattor. They're feckless self serving cocks. I'm sure the left is applying pressure to them Andy they will fold easesly.
This is a punt, for now. Splitting the baby is something these clowns do best. Better than nothing I guess. Now they need a special session to formally reverse the certification. Otherwise it'll end up in court and force them to do it.
Give. Wolf resides in the executive branch. Pennsylvania lawmakers make up the legislative branch. Separation of powers means Wolf holds no authority on when legislators meet in formal session.
Why dont they want to do it themselvex?
Because they are Cowards!
Bunch of faggots acting like their hands are tied
im not being a downer but this means nothing unless the PA legislature does something themselves. no way in hell pelosi run congress is gonna reject the electors. it doesnt sound like PA legislature has the balls or integrity to do the right thing. Pa will flip or be thrown out in courts. most likely by the supreme court
Why is it so hard for these faggots to do the right thing? PA people call your reps and tell them to stop being pussies and to do their fucking jobs.
https://stopthesteal.us/legislators.cfm?state=Pennsylvania
TAKE THIS TO THE TOP!
ridiculous, can anyone find a spine. DEMAND them to hold a special session. This seems to be a hot potato nobody wants to touch. People need to realize there is no sweeping an elephant under a rug, literally...Trump Won, face the music you gutless turds
Why don’t they just pick the electors themselves, as is their constitutional power?
The governor of PA should be removed from office for certifying such BS fraud as valid.
pahousegop site is out ffs ;(
So they've just said that they're not going to assign electors, and instead they're just taking the easy way out and telling Congress to do it for them?
My Rep is on there but my senator Aument is not. That dick has an office in Lititz PA so he probably licks the liberal ass of Tait Towers, Atomic Design, and Claire Global. He’s gonna get a phone call from me on Monday.
Don’t ask them. Tell.
76/253 have balls, yet thenrep have a majority. Ufb Pa is whats wrong with this country. They want someone else to solve their problems
Given the content of the hearings and the extent of the fraud there would be some kudos for the first group of state legislators to step up and do this themselves. They would earn their place in history simply by doing their job. There’s no loss for them here. Trump won PA.
How many do we need?!
This is your daily reminder that liberals are pieces of shit.
Wolf is a fan of "truth" over "facts"