Think about it this way: We never had a republic. Kennedy stole the election from Nixon in 1960. Tammany hall was a giant corruption machine from the 1840s to the 1930s. The election of 1876 was decided in backroom deals. The election of 1826 was stolen from our President's favorite President: Andrew Jackson. I would honestly be surprised if we had a single fair election other than President Washington.
The only difference between our power now and having a monarchy under King Donald, is that our unelected leader has our best interests at heart and has full authority to do what he needs to do.
Not a king, but a dictator. An office given absolute power for a prescribed period of time in order to guide the Republic through periods of existential threats.
Trumps too old to get it all done in the years he has left. He’d need someone good to come in after and finish the job. Augustus was able cleanse the empire because he ruled for so long that by the time he croaked few could remember what it was like before him. That momentum is what allowed him to permanently change the game and allow his (either crappy or meh) successors to keep power for decades after his death.
Thank you!! This is why political ideas like a philosopher king fail. Humans die (or are killed). You can't have a king without knowing you're going to, sooner or later, get 1 that royally fucks everything up. And then another. And another.
Rather take my chances on Trump and Junior than continue our current system.
If you haven't noticed, we are one stolen election away from complete medical tyranny and technocracy. I really don't know wtf people like you are looking at. What are you gonna do if they steal this election? Blatantly and in your face? Are we gonna rEd WaVe 2022? Lol, if they allow us.
Honestly, what country are some of yall living in? The constitution is already shredded. They've limited your freedoms and enslaved your children and your children's children with debt. They're replacing the population. They don't investigate or arrest their own.
This moral grandstanding is nauseous. If December 5th, 2020 is what the US constitution gets us, it's an unquestioned failure. By almost every metric.
Yall asking me to pretend we're in a legit republic is the same as people telling me to wear a mask. It's make believe. Do your representatives represent you? Mine sure as hell don't, and I live in a red state with republican representatives. Just keep pretend voting for red and everything will be fine, even if they steal the election. Low IQ take.
Technically the republic didn’t die. It was greatly changed. Octavian didn’t create a single title of emperor. He had a slew of political, religious, military, and honorific titles (Augustus being one of them) that gave him sole power in Rome. The senate continued on under the emperor although it gradually lost influence. Especially during the crisis of the third century, where barracks emperors and their armies were the true power. Diocletian turned the empire into an official military autocracy. In fact the senate would outlast the western emperors by over a century.
Even long after Rome had become an autocratic empire, the citizens of Rome continued to believe that they lived in a republic. If you had asked them what their government is they would have told you that it was a republic with no king.
Fun Fact: Allegedly during the Battle of Abritus in 251 Emperor Decius’s son, Herennius Etruscus, was killed, and upon hearing of it Decius said, “Let no one mourn. The death of one soldier is not a great loss to the Republic.”
I would go as far as to claim that the Roman Empire was NOT a monarchy at all, or at least it wasn’t at first.
I would argue that from 27 BC to AD 284, the Roman Empire was Family-Military Dictatorship.
This system combines a Military Dictatorship with a Family Dictatorship.
In this system, the state is under the complete control of the military whose leader holds absolute power with said leadership being decided by familial relation to the current leader.
It wasn’t until Diocletian came to power It wasn’t until Diocletian came to power in 284 that Rome became a true Monarchy, and it wasn’t until Constantine the Great unified the country in 324 that the Monarchy became Hereditary.
If you want a modern example of this look up the Somoza Dynasty of Nicaragua. They ruled that nation from 1936 to 1979.
The Republic died with Octavian beating Antony at Actium. Pure consolidation of power is not a republic anymore. Yes, the senate still existed. But who cares, it was entirely toothless. That's like saying Napoleon wasn't an emperor because he kept around the French parliament... they got to decide nothing.
They were generals that were declared emperor (some successfully and others not so much) by their soldiers during the crisis of the third century. From the death of Alexander Severus to the rise of Diocletian (himself a barracks emperor) there were like 60 legitimate and illegitimate emperors.
Augustus held many titles such as princeps (his main title and where we get prince from) and imperator (basically general, where we get emperor from) as well as consular authority wherever he was. He created the principate.
Diocletian ended the time when the senate had power with his reforms a and reformed the empire into the dominate where it was a true miltary autocracy.
there were like 60 legitimate and illegitimate emperors.
Can't remember if this was the period where 1 of them just bought the emperorship from the Praetorians or if that was 1 during the Year of the Five Emperors.
I don’t want to lose the republic. But if I have to choose between democrat tyranny or MAGA , I choose MAGA any day.
Think about it this way: We never had a republic. Kennedy stole the election from Nixon in 1960. Tammany hall was a giant corruption machine from the 1840s to the 1930s. The election of 1876 was decided in backroom deals. The election of 1826 was stolen from our President's favorite President: Andrew Jackson. I would honestly be surprised if we had a single fair election other than President Washington.
The only difference between our power now and having a monarchy under King Donald, is that our unelected leader has our best interests at heart and has full authority to do what he needs to do.
I don’t know if I agree with everything you said, but I definitely see your point. And I’d say that that the republic ended in ACW 1.0.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roman_dictators
Not a king, but a dictator. An office given absolute power for a prescribed period of time in order to guide the Republic through periods of existential threats.
The president doesn't have absolute power.
Yep, right on.
That said, I would fully expect that Trump would willingly cede power should the republic be cleansed and restored. Then we'd see him on Rushmore.
Trumps too old to get it all done in the years he has left. He’d need someone good to come in after and finish the job. Augustus was able cleanse the empire because he ruled for so long that by the time he croaked few could remember what it was like before him. That momentum is what allowed him to permanently change the game and allow his (either crappy or meh) successors to keep power for decades after his death.
I propose someone like Nick Fuentes. He is 22.
You know there would be other kings after him, right?
I can only hope so!
Oh, so you’re OK with King Barack?
Thank you!! This is why political ideas like a philosopher king fail. Humans die (or are killed). You can't have a king without knowing you're going to, sooner or later, get 1 that royally fucks everything up. And then another. And another.
Rather take my chances on Trump and Junior than continue our current system.
If you haven't noticed, we are one stolen election away from complete medical tyranny and technocracy. I really don't know wtf people like you are looking at. What are you gonna do if they steal this election? Blatantly and in your face? Are we gonna rEd WaVe 2022? Lol, if they allow us.
Honestly, what country are some of yall living in? The constitution is already shredded. They've limited your freedoms and enslaved your children and your children's children with debt. They're replacing the population. They don't investigate or arrest their own.
This moral grandstanding is nauseous. If December 5th, 2020 is what the US constitution gets us, it's an unquestioned failure. By almost every metric.
Yall asking me to pretend we're in a legit republic is the same as people telling me to wear a mask. It's make believe. Do your representatives represent you? Mine sure as hell don't, and I live in a red state with republican representatives. Just keep pretend voting for red and everything will be fine, even if they steal the election. Low IQ take.
Technically the republic didn’t die. It was greatly changed. Octavian didn’t create a single title of emperor. He had a slew of political, religious, military, and honorific titles (Augustus being one of them) that gave him sole power in Rome. The senate continued on under the emperor although it gradually lost influence. Especially during the crisis of the third century, where barracks emperors and their armies were the true power. Diocletian turned the empire into an official military autocracy. In fact the senate would outlast the western emperors by over a century.
Even long after Rome had become an autocratic empire, the citizens of Rome continued to believe that they lived in a republic. If you had asked them what their government is they would have told you that it was a republic with no king.
Fun Fact: Allegedly during the Battle of Abritus in 251 Emperor Decius’s son, Herennius Etruscus, was killed, and upon hearing of it Decius said, “Let no one mourn. The death of one soldier is not a great loss to the Republic.”
Very true. And yeah I’ve heard that quote before, very sad but epic.
I would go as far as to claim that the Roman Empire was NOT a monarchy at all, or at least it wasn’t at first.
I would argue that from 27 BC to AD 284, the Roman Empire was Family-Military Dictatorship.
This system combines a Military Dictatorship with a Family Dictatorship.
In this system, the state is under the complete control of the military whose leader holds absolute power with said leadership being decided by familial relation to the current leader.
It wasn’t until Diocletian came to power It wasn’t until Diocletian came to power in 284 that Rome became a true Monarchy, and it wasn’t until Constantine the Great unified the country in 324 that the Monarchy became Hereditary.
If you want a modern example of this look up the Somoza Dynasty of Nicaragua. They ruled that nation from 1936 to 1979.
The Republic died with Octavian beating Antony at Actium. Pure consolidation of power is not a republic anymore. Yes, the senate still existed. But who cares, it was entirely toothless. That's like saying Napoleon wasn't an emperor because he kept around the French parliament... they got to decide nothing.
They were generals that were declared emperor (some successfully and others not so much) by their soldiers during the crisis of the third century. From the death of Alexander Severus to the rise of Diocletian (himself a barracks emperor) there were like 60 legitimate and illegitimate emperors.
Augustus held many titles such as princeps (his main title and where we get prince from) and imperator (basically general, where we get emperor from) as well as consular authority wherever he was. He created the principate.
Diocletian ended the time when the senate had power with his reforms a and reformed the empire into the dominate where it was a true miltary autocracy.
Can't remember if this was the period where 1 of them just bought the emperorship from the Praetorians or if that was 1 during the Year of the Five Emperors.
this goes above the Ds