Former red team planner for the government here. If there was a revolution in the US, the rest of the world would get involved, fast. Depending on the type of uprising, there is a large chance that it would not be a quick affair. It would be brutal, it would be bloody, and the US government could start a global scale war. Here are the top ten issues that came up.
- The US power grid can be taken down by a series of “surgical strikes” with the exception of the Texas grid. By surgical strikes, I mean a few marksmen (US army-tier Marksmen–the minimum requirement) hitting certain spots on the grid would fuck a lot of the military and government because they need the grid more than Bubba and his friends do. Additionally, while all government agencies have backup generators, they will be hard pressed dealing with the resultant looting and other madness that would come with power outages. This would effectively create another front for the military. It would also turn the people against the government more quickly and paralyze the government’s propaganda machine. Worse still–the key points of the US power grid are publicly obtainable information, and not only are the points too many to be effectively guarded, they are not guarded anyway.
- The estimated desertion rate in case of a civil war is 75% in the case of a left-wing president. 50% of that would be assumed to immediately betray the president. The remaining (treasonous) military would be fighting its own. Yet another front created in the war. Additionally, there is an assumed 25-50% desertion or outright betrayal rate in three letter government agencies (FBI, CIA, NSA, ATC, TSA, etc.). Additionally, it is assumed that 5% of the initial 50% betrayers would stay in their job and become saboteurs. 10% of that 50% would contain key information that would be of critical danger to the US government. Of that 10%, 1% would be able to deliver that information to the US’ foreign enemies. What you should get from this is that the second the United States government declares war on its own is the second it ceases to exist as the state we know it.
- “Tea baggers,” “right-wing extremists,” and “oath keepers” which are considered untrained racists who aren’t “good with a gun” often are A) veterans who now have more time to have fun at the range, sometimes more than some Army units or Marine units. In addition to previous military training, B) often camp and do other outdoor activities–more than many in the military do, as the focus has gone away from field exercises, and C) often have better equipment–outside of armor and heavy weapons–than the military. However, C) is kind of irrelevant because many of the places in which these people could hide would make the kind of war the US fights with the equipment they use pointless.
- Outside influence is a huge problem. Russia has already stated they would back a Texas separatist movement, and right now we already have enough problem keeping Islam in check. The second the US has to fight in a “civil war” is the second it becomes a proxy war between NATO and whoever wants to mess with America. While America has amazing nuclear and air defense, if it comes to a civil war you have to assume that in a best cast scenario the US military is going to be operating at 50% capacity at best. Shit would go down. Hard. And fast. And if Russia–spoiler alert: one of the best militaries in the world at fighting in an urban environment–sent trainers and helpers to rebels, you can reliably bet that they would also possibly deliver weapons to them. So instead of fighting “Timmy TeaBagger,” you are fighting “Timmy TeaBagger who is buddies with Vlad.”
- A civil war is not just the US versus the rebels. There will be looting. There will be rioting. Cities will burn. The National Guard cannot fight both the rebels and rioters in a city that would also cut off their supplies. Additionally, if you don’t think that the rebels will send in instigators into the cities–or worse, stand alone actors (A Lone Wolf on steroids. Think Timothy McVeigh, but instead of one van they have a whole fleet of them. A good movie example would be Bane)–you would be mistaken. If the US government cannot even help its own people, why would its own people support the remaining (treasonous) military? Worse yet, if someone emptied out prisons (There are more prisoners in the US than there are people in the entire Chinese Army), you would have more crime than the police could ever handle.
- Logistics and infrastructure in the US are crumbling and failing. Any war fought against a rebellion in the US would be a logistical nightmare, even before the rebels started going full Al-Qaida and putting IEDs in the road. A retired general who was contracting with us on the team said, “The only thing holding together the US’ infrastructure is duct tape and the will of the Department of Transportation. And often enough, there isn't enough duct tape.” Your most loyal cities to the US government, as we polled, are also the most logistically easy to cut off. NYC? San Fran? L.A.? D.C.? Baltimore? Most of them require crossing water to enter, from certain directions. Most of them have critical airports. Some of them have critical ocean ports. If anything happened to just TWO of the cities on the list, it would create a logistical clusterfuck.
- Your “Johnny Reb” and “Timmy TeaBagger” states (i.e., “red” states) all have something most of your “oh so progressive,” “Aren’t we so European,” “Oh my god, we are just like Sweden,” blue states don’t. Blues are mainly consumer states. Reds are producer states. Urban areas don’t have farms. The second that shit goes down, realize a lot of those blue areas are likely to starve. In a civil war scenario, we predicted that at least 10,000 people would die of starvation if the war was not finished in a year. The numbers get worse after that. Or better, rather, for the country after the war.
- The US has way too many choke points, and the government forces would often be on the wrong side of them. This ties into the logistical nightmare, but it also has to do with an odd phenomena. Liberals like to live near the ocean. Many of the dividers of the country, like the Rocky Mountains, the Mississippi River, Appalachia, the Missouri River (fun fact: the biggest choke point for the US government is in Missouri) are red state areas. Sure, air travel is a thing, but a majority of the US government's needs would have to travel by ground. Even still, many of the major airports are outside of the city. Of course, the US would use military base air fields, but if civil war did break out… which bases would be safe? Which ones would have fallen to the deserters?
- PR Nightmare. Every rebel killed on CNN would be spun as “the US government killed X Civilians today in a strike” on foreign news and pirate media not owned by the government. That is–as pointed out earlier–if the US media could even function in a civil war or uprising. Your “rebel scum” know that the main thing that holds together the US–nay life in the US as we know it–is the 24 hour news cycle and the media. The second it's gone, you are going to have urban anarchy. If you are from America, can you imagine a day without TV, newspaper, or Internet? Your average urban youth can’t. If you don’t think that isn’t going to cause rioting, you must have a real high regard for how much restraint they have. Assume in a civil war that your ability to talk to the people is compromised. Also assume that in the case of a civil war that rebels may know how to monitor conversations like the US does, as there are manuals online on how to do so.
- This one is either 1 or 10, depending on who is asked. The US will never nuke its own. The second it does, they have lost the civil war and other countries will come to “liberate” the US from its own “repressive regime.” Additionally, if any general, minuteman, nuke tech, or nuke sub captain decided to side with the rebellion, the US government is immediately SOL.
In short: The second that a “civilian uprising” or “extremist group terrorist attack” turns into “civil war” is the second the US loses. As a result, you will never see a civil war. You will see Waco, you will see Bundy Ranch, you will see all sorts of militant group confrontations and maybe even some skirmishes. But the US government fears its own people way the fuck too much to ever start a civil war.
As an American, I want all other Americans here to remember this. The government is against you, almost openly now, but they also know that they cannot win if it comes to open war. We have a trump card they cannot match. If it comes to a fight, THEY WILL LOSE, so there are elements in the establishment who will do absolutely everything in their power to prevent it from coming to that. The US Government is not in support of its people, and the people are not in support of the government.
It is within the means of certain interests to start World War III simply as a distraction to avoid an American Civil War, because, by their reckoning, it is better to ruin other “lesser” nations like Syria and spill the blood of patriots than lose their own grip on power. YOU HEARD RIGHT. WORLD WAR III ITSELF COULD BE A DELIBERATE FALSE FLAG TO PREVENT A POWER CHANGE IN AMERICA. REMEMBER THIS.
Former red team planner for the government here. If there was a revolution in the US, the rest of the world would get involved, fast. Depending on the type of uprising, there is a large chance that it would not be a quick affair. It would be brutal, it would be bloody, and the US government could start a global scale war. Here are the top ten issues that came up.
1. The US power grid can be taken down by a series of “surgical strikes” with the exception of the Texas grid. By surgical strikes, I mean a few marksmen (US army-tier Marksmen–the minimum requirement) hitting certain spots on the grid would fuck a lot of the military and government because they need the grid more than Bubba and his friends do. Additionally, while all government agencies have backup generators, they will be hard pressed dealing with the resultant looting and other madness that would come with power outages. This would effectively create another front for the military. It would also turn the people against the government more quickly and paralyze the government’s propaganda machine. Worse still–the key points of the US power grid are publicly obtainable information, and not only are the points too many to be effectively guarded, they are not guarded anyway.
2. The estimated desertion rate in case of a civil war is 75% in the case of a left-wing president. 50% of that would be assumed to immediately betray the president. The remaining (treasonous) military would be fighting its own. Yet another front created in the war. Additionally, there is an assumed 25-50% desertion or outright betrayal rate in three letter government agencies (FBI, CIA, NSA, ATC, TSA, etc.). Additionally, it is assumed that 5% of the initial 50% betrayers would stay in their job and become saboteurs. 10% of that 50% would contain key information that would be of critical danger to the US government. Of that 10%, 1% would be able to deliver that information to the US’ foreign enemies. What you should get from this is that the second the United States government declares war on its own is the second it ceases to exist as the state we know it.
3. “Tea baggers,” “right-wing extremists,” and “oath keepers” which are considered untrained racists who aren’t “good with a gun” often are A) veterans who now have more time to have fun at the range, sometimes more than some Army units or Marine units. In addition to previous military training, B) often camp and do other outdoor activities–more than many in the military do, as the focus has gone away from field exercises, and C) often have better equipment–outside of armor and heavy weapons–than the military. However, C) is kind of irrelevant because many of the places in which these people could hide would make the kind of war the US fights with the equipment they use pointless.
4. Outside influence is a huge problem. Russia has already stated they would back a Texas separatist movement, and right now we already have enough problem keeping Islam in check. The second the US has to fight in a “civil war” is the second it becomes a proxy war between NATO and whoever wants to mess with America. While America has amazing nuclear and air defense, if it comes to a civil war you have to assume that in a best cast scenario the US military is going to be operating at 50% capacity at best. Shit would go down. Hard. And fast. And if Russia–spoiler alert: one of the best militaries in the world at fighting in an urban environment–sent trainers and helpers to rebels, you can reliably bet that they would also possibly deliver weapons to them. So instead of fighting “Timmy TeaBagger,” you are fighting “Timmy TeaBagger who is buddies with Vlad.”
5. A civil war is not just the US versus the rebels. There will be looting. There will be rioting. Cities will burn. The National Guard cannot fight both the rebels and rioters in a city that would also cut off their supplies. Additionally, if you don’t think that the rebels will send in instigators into the cities–or worse, stand alone actors (A Lone Wolf on steroids. Think Timothy McVeigh, but instead of one van they have a whole fleet of them. A good movie example would be Bane)–you would be mistaken. If the US government cannot even help its own people, why would its own people support the remaining (treasonous) military? Worse yet, if someone emptied out prisons (There are more prisoners in the US than there are people in the entire Chinese Army), you would have more crime than the police could ever handle.
6. Logistics and infrastructure in the US are crumbling and failing. Any war fought against a rebellion in the US would be a logistical nightmare, even before the rebels started going full Al-Qaida and putting IEDs in the road. A retired general who was contracting with us on the team said, “The only thing holding together the US’ infrastructure is duct tape and the will of the Department of Transportation. And often enough, there isn't enough duct tape.” Your most loyal cities to the US government, as we polled, are also the most logistically easy to cut off. NYC? San Fran? L.A.? D.C.? Baltimore? Most of them require crossing water to enter, from certain directions. Most of them have critical airports. Some of them have critical ocean ports. If anything happened to just TWO of the cities on the list, it would create a logistical clusterfuck.
7. Your “Johnny Reb” and “Timmy TeaBagger” states (i.e., “red” states) all have something most of your “oh so progressive,” “Aren’t we so European,” “Oh my god, we are just like Sweden,” blue states don’t. Blues are mainly consumer states. Reds are producer states. Urban areas don’t have farms. The second that shit goes down, realize a lot of those blue areas are likely to starve. In a civil war scenario, we predicted that at least 10,000 people would die of starvation if the war was not finished in a year. The numbers get worse after that. Or better, rather, for the country after the war.
8. The US has way too many choke points, and the government forces would often be on the wrong side of them. This ties into the logistical nightmare, but it also has to do with an odd phenomena. Liberals like to live near the ocean. Many of the dividers of the country, like the Rocky Mountains, the Mississippi River, Appalachia, the Missouri River (fun fact: the biggest choke point for the US government is in Missouri) are red state areas. Sure, air travel is a thing, but a majority of the US government's needs would have to travel by ground. Even still, many of the major airports are outside of the city. Of course, the US would use military base air fields, but if civil war did break out… which bases would be safe? Which ones would have fallen to the deserters?
9. PR Nightmare. Every rebel killed on CNN would be spun as “the US government killed X Civilians today in a strike” on foreign news and pirate media not owned by the government. That is–as pointed out earlier–if the US media could even function in a civil war or uprising. Your “rebel scum” know that the main thing that holds together the US–nay life in the US as we know it–is the 24 hour news cycle and the media. The second it's gone, you are going to have urban anarchy. If you are from America, can you imagine a day without TV, newspaper, or Internet? Your average urban youth can’t. If you don’t think that isn’t going to cause rioting, you must have a real high regard for how much restraint they have. Assume in a civil war that your ability to talk to the people is compromised. Also assume that in the case of a civil war that rebels may know how to monitor conversations like the US does, as there are manuals online on how to do so.
10. This one is either 1 or 10, depending on who is asked. The US will never nuke its own. The second it does, they have lost the civil war and other countries will come to “liberate” the US from its own “repressive regime.” Additionally, if any general, minuteman, nuke tech, or nuke sub captain decided to side with the rebellion, the US government is immediately SOL.
In short: The second that a “civilian uprising” or “extremist group terrorist attack” turns into “civil war” is the second the US loses. As a result, you will never see a civil war. You will see Waco, you will see Bundy Ranch, you will see all sorts of militant group confrontations and maybe even some skirmishes. But the US government fears its own people way the fuck too much to ever start a civil war.
As an American, I want all other Americans here to remember this. The government is against you, almost openly now, but they also know that they cannot win if it comes to open war. We have a trump card they cannot match. If it comes to a fight, THEY WILL LOSE, so there are elements in the establishment who will do absolutely everything in their power to prevent it from coming to that. The US Government is not in support of its people, and the people are not in support of the government.
It is within the means of certain interests to start World War III simply as a distraction to avoid an American Civil War, because, by their reckoning, it is better to ruin other “lesser” nations like Syria and spill the blood of patriots than lose their own grip on power. YOU HEARD RIGHT. WORLD WAR III ITSELF COULD BE A DELIBERATE FALSE FLAG TO PREVENT A POWER CHANGE IN AMERICA. REMEMBER THIS.
When I see all of these calls for civil war, I really think people don't know what the hell they're asking for. It would be hell on earth like you describe. The real strategists would be foreign governments using citizens as pawns. Americans would be cannon fodder. When people think "war" they all too often believe it would be equivalent to 2nd gen warfare when it's far surpassed that.
Right now we're in a war but a quiet one. I hope to god it stays that way. Using COVID as psych warfare has been hard enough that I don't want to see this go hot.
Im with you. Fuck it and make the government bend at the knee.
Right now we have alternatives. Protest, write, civil disobedience. It's far better than engaging in warfare and so long as it's still an option, it's worth pursuing. Notice how Trump hasn't summoned any of his supporters to do anything except attend rallies? There's a reason for that. Right now it's a detriment to the cause to engage in violence. To do so would be at the advantage of the deep state.
If "fighting back" had the results of righting those wrongs, it'd be worth it. But that's not what would happen. That's my whole point. Every bullet you fire would result in a disproportionate action against those you claim to be defending: it would be a bomb dropped, bridge burned, dam burst, power grid destroyed, etc. The people fomenting the war? They'd be sitting in their bunkers waiting to buy everything for pennies on the dollar and build their new world order out of the chaos, just as they do in every country where they manufacture war. Even if you think that you've won, who was it backing your side, exactly? There is no real citizen victory, there's always a price to pay to those foreign overlords who ensured the success. All wars are bankers wars, and all that.
The only right answer to this is a counter to the deep state. They take out threats to them all the time while IC carries it out at worst or ignores it at best. Surely there’s a faction that is willing to take out the threats to liberty - maybe there already is and we don’t know.
Maybe the evils we have to endure are like the evils you know - they give them enough latitude to keep them operating in the open (to the IC, not the citizens) but shut them down when shit’s getting too dangerous. Could Trump be the prescribed answer - shutting them down bc they’ve gone too far?
I mean local level law enforcement will knowingly allow you to operate unlawfully until you become “worth the trouble” or high profile enough for the charge/conviction to have impact. If they allow the manufacture/distribution of illicit drugs as part of a much larger plan at the local level, imagine wtf they’re observing at the fed level. Maybe not a great example but you get what I’m trying to say. It’s possible that some of the evil ass shit these rat bastards have been doing is noise and they’re focused on a much much larger picture. Just my pondering...
I’ll leave you with this, I have come to realize over the past few years that whatever the story, it is NEVER the story.
Yes and no. I don’t want one, but I’m about to say fuck it all. Burn it down and start this republic over again.
If they think you are not capable or willing to fuck them up,
they will walk all over you though.
Still not a thing people should root for.
Yes, please send your foreign armies to our land so that we can test that "rifle behind every blade of grass" theory...
You got your account what two seconds ago?
I'm pretty sure this is an old post from the chans.
I have read this before. Wasn't on the Chan's though. The post has some truth but I think its also dated and not up to date on outcomes in 2020
The British, European union, Iran, Venezuela and the Chinese would be sending troops to defend Joe Biden.
The Russians, Brazil, Japan, Korea, and Eastern European countries will provide support for Trump.
The Russians?
I have been saying this recently. All the right has to do is stand up, and show the willingness to fight. A few days later Biden will concede. All the wealthy and powerful leftists in America do not want to lose all their nice toys.
If the right flexes serious muscle, refuses to abide by this illegal theft of the election, the left will back down. You think Nancy pelosi and Chuck Schumer want to lose their multi-gazillionaire lifestyles?
Chuck and Nancy will lose their multi-gazillionaire lifestyles if Biden doesn't win. They're all in.
Just bought another rifle and an extra 2000 rounds of ammo.
Blow up bridges and highways that lead into cities. Knock down powerlines in cities. Marauding gangs would kill, rape, and loot. All the food would go quickly.
The Russia part made me hopeful
That part made me laugh. You think Texans need vladito to ship them guns or teach them how to use them?
Ok I'm curious, what makes the power grid in Texas more resilient than in the rest of the country?
Beats me... but ive done the job this fella says he's done, and to be fair, there are some little hints in there that tell me hes not LARPing, but its far too complicated to say for sure what parts of the grid would and would not show resilience. People who do this work tend to do it from a high level perspective because no team has the time or expertise to understand the minute details. As he says, the data is available and unclassified and some of it is designed specifically to highlight weaknesses.
Texas has its own grid isolated from other three US grids except for east texas which is on east us grid and far northwest texas.
For those that dont remember or never read the original, this is an old 4chan post
I also think it’s possible a civil war would be over in seven days with minimal bloodshed. The Deep State and the Globalist Cabal do not have that much actual physical power. They don’t really have these armies of loyal people. BLM is one army, but they are just joggers out looting. They don’t actually want to fight on the frontlines of a war for a creepy pedophile like Bill Gates. Then there is ANTIFA. A few of them are trained Communist agitators, but most are just weak soyboys LARPing. Start firing actual bullets into crowds of ANTIFA and they will shit their pants and retreat. They are cowards. Then what is left? Are the normies and Karens going to pick up guns and run into firefights? I don’t think so. The normies will stay home and go along with whoever wins. What about the police? Most of them are with us. It’s their corrupt Chief that needs to be taken out, and then at that point, we are in charge of the police. Same thing with the military. Starting a civil war in America might actually be exactly what we need to expose just how many of us there are and how few of them. We just need to be smart about it. We probably need former military guys to storm and seize key targets, like every Mayor’s mansion, every Governor’s house, every Chief of Police, and every media outlet, national and local. Occupy every one of these places of power by force. Try to coordinate and do it all in the middle of the night. You may not even need to do it everywhere either. Like would you even need to do anything in South Dakota?
Obviously it would be better if President Trump made this move with the U.S. Military, but if not, this is something we could do ourselves. And once people know it is going down, you could have thousands of patriots surrounding, say, the occupied CNN headquarters so that nobody goes in and out, even the police. This would force the police to turn their guns on American citizens, and I don’t think they would. Especially if the Chief who would give that order is being held at gunpoint by our army.
I honestly think we could do it with minimal violence. We control the food supply, we control the supply chains. Cut the off and we are well on our way to an outcome we want
So it seems to me that the number one thing a foreign adversary, say Chyna, would want to do is try to spark a civil war in America. It also strikes me that more than a few of our aledgedly-elected officials are doing the bidding of Chyna, so i don't take any solice in the fact that they should know it will not work out well for them personally when their actions are not directed by their own personal interests, but rather by Chyna or whatever other foreign government, "greatest allies" included, are directing them.
People are fond of saying "soap box, ballot box, jury box, ammo box". But, a constitutional convention is another way.
I don't think it would go down like this at all. As with most civil wars, the majority of people would be left out of it and would continue trying to function as normal. Beyond places where active fighting between groups is happening or has happened, that would be fairly easy to do. Supply chain disruptions would be the worst most people see of it. It's possible the disruption could be bad enough to where essential items run low and cause panic buying, which in turn causes looting and a breakdown of social order. But even then order can be restored by police (supposing they're authorized to) and a resupply.
I think the bulk of any civil war would be conservative forces vs liberals and any police/federal agents who support them. I think the military would largely stay out, but may be called in to provide security (martial law) in urban areas. Perhaps the liberals would see this as a threat and try to fight against them but that would be extremely difficult to do for them (having few weapons) and it would be suicidal. Perhaps this is where outside actors (Russia and China) get covertly involved, helping anti-government forces. I don't think any conservative forces would seek or need help when going after liberal groups and targets. That would be bad optics and put a big target on them for the military.
So no, I think the civil war would be more like sporadic armed street battles with police and military trying to intervene.
Now, if Biden gets into power, all bets are off. I think you could see people going after him and other democrats directly. Military forces might be split. Hard to predict.
This is one of the best posts I’ve seen here. Very factual and well stated. I completely agree with everything stated and I’ve even remarked to others about foreign influence coming in in the event of civil war. The only thing I would add is that China will not sit and do nothing.
It's a copy of an old post from several years back.
Interesting...