Agree. I don't see a down side. Not everything that is legal now is good for you. The federal law is largely ignored in cases of personal use possession, making a mockery of it anyway. I am not a fan of the stuff myself.
So legal pedophilia and nationwide prostitution to end human trafficking? Did you even think about your statement? You did not even make a new paragraph for the "work on human trafficking" after saying "legalize it all."
But you did not break the ideas down so it is clear. So, who is the retard?
We cannot fight the cartels against Drugs so we have to legalize it all.
That way they can work against the cartels on human trafficking!
See, broken down cleanly. And still showing your a retard. If we cannot beat the cartels on drugs what the hell makes you think we can beat them on human trafficking?
It just means the amount needed to get high is less. Instead of smoking an entire “cigarette” it only takes a single puff or two. Far better for the lungs in this respect, too.
Despite the differences, there is no new chemical in pot that wasn’t there before. It’s simply more refined.
I get that. But I also wonder if it actually makes a functional difference in how much people use over time.
I find it interesting that some of the smokers I know have found that different types of the new stuff make them paranoid or cause other unpleasant side effects.
I have no innate objection to those who choose to smoke, it's their body and their choice so long as that choice doesn't negatively impact others. But I also don't see an overall societal benefit to drug use in general, especially not when so many people sell narratives that make it seem like something is harmless or worse, a universal panacea.
For me, considering it’s not a refined product, I don’t consider it a problem with respect to heavy drugs. This includes pharmaceuticals which are truly narcotics.
Fact is, the decades of hybridization has diluted the best parts of cannabis use and paranoia is a direct side effect of the accelerated THC levels and reduced CBD levels. I’ve been a grower for many years and simply don’t like the effects of the ramped up strains. This year I popped some old school seeds from years past and produced a much more pleasurable weed to smoke. It quashed the idea that long term use leads to specific side effects. Fact is, the weed has been bred in a negative manner, IMO. The stuff I cranked out this year is far more usable for recreational use and has that “let’s take another hit” effect instead of the “Jesus fucking Christ how much longer until it wears off?”
Bottom line, smoking cannabis can absolutely give you a head change that makes things seem ok when they in fact are not. It’s the only thing I worry, people will gloss over the worst atrocities with respect to government control because they simply don’t sense the reality due to the side effects of using weed.
Thank you for providing a grower's perspective, that is extremely interesting! So if I understand you correctly, the CBD/THC ratio makes a substantive difference in the type of high one experiences? That makes sense. I am not generally a fan of extensive hybridization of anything really, at least not in terms of food or flowers. Heirloom or minimally hybridized flowers and food tend to taste better and smell better to me. Thus I tend to avoid most big ag produced fruits, veggies and flowers when budget permits.
As a grower, would you see a market for what one would call "heirloom" weed being a big thing? Or do you think the new generation of smokers that would get involved would be more attracted to these ramped up strains?
Your last point is my biggest worry when it comes to drugs in general, be it the over prescribing of psych meds at earlier and earlier ages, or legalizing weed and other things. I have taken psych meds in the past, and they tend to "unplug" you from reality, in some cases quite profoundly. The pot smokers I know have remarked weed does essentially the same thing to greater or lesser degrees. So especially now when our government is utterly untrustworthy, I don't see this as a good thing.
Just like GMO’s cross pollinate with every other plant, the cannabis industry is essentially fucked for similar reasons. The idea behind hybridization was to take the best qualities of multiple plants and cross them together, thereby creating better weed. Unfortunately, the result was the most dominant traits simply weeded out (no pun intended) the best qualities of the weaker strain. What’s left is pretty sounding names, but plants that have a similar high across the board. Very heavy, very strong and nearly the same smell. Now that so many growers have played with cross pollinating, the guarantee of what you’re actually smoking is long gone. Pure strains of sativa which produce a more cerebral effect have dominated the pure indica strains which produced a body high. Combined, they simply don’t give you the best of both worlds and now it’s nearly impossible to find seeds that are from original, pure strains of either genetics. Old school growers, like myself, have a stash of seeds from a different time, but eventually even those will be gone. The work behind growing males to produce pollen is fruitless because they don’t carry the psychoactive properties. The game is to produce smokable buds and wasting pistils on female plants to produce seeds would be a fiduciary loss. Sinsemilla is weed without seed which means no lineage. Sometimes the best shit is gone with each batch as there’s no incentive to produce seeds. There are seed companies, but whether or not you’re actually getting what they’re purporting to sell is questionable. I’m not sure most newbies would know either way. The alternative is cloning, but even that begins to weaken over time as genetic malformation usually ramps up in short order. For example, if 1 in 100 show a non welcomed trait, such as hermaphroditism and you clone that plant, you are stuck with a mother that isn’t of value. This is why many grandaddy strains are long gone. Long term growers have been forced to take what they can get for this reason or use up their seed stash from buds that were grown outdoor in an “heirloom” setting with natural, open pollination. Before weed was legal, growing outdoor meant less tending to plants as to stay away from possibly being caught. Male plants would grow right next to females and pollinate naturally which produced buds with seeds. This is not a desirable outcome in the current state of selling cannabis and is the major reason why the plant's traits have funneled into high strength, paranoia inducing buds.
The flip side is buds being grown for only the CBD which doesn’t get you high at all. These strains, dubbed Charlotte’s web, have been produced for pain relief and seizure control. The amount one needs to ingest is ridiculously high so refined oils of nearly pure CBD have to be produced in order to make it feasible. They do work when used early and properly, but only for the most severe cases and in huge daily dosing.
Thank you for the extremely informative reply! It sounds like legalizing cannabis and making it a major industry might not have been a good thing in terms of a reduction in biodiversity and killing the incentive to preserve granddaddy strains. One would like to think a balance could be found, but I am not sure if that is a practical goal at this point.
I suppose it would be possible to get old school seeds from elsewhere in the world where weed still either grows wild or isn't grown with the same commercial goals, maybe.
Thank you again for taking time to explain something of the science to me :-). It's actually very interesting. my only experience with deliberate selective breeding involved heirloom tomato plants and carnations.
Weight and scale is so spot on it’s not even funny. They hit to hundredths of a gram. Far more accurate than the “heighths” that float around on the street.
Personally I think it’s a way of placating the masses, keeping them docile (while the government sees an opportunity to make money.) I’d think it was really about freedom if they were passing pro gun legislation as well, instead of the opposite.
Personally, I am looking forward to the watering of the Tree of Liberty with all the treasonous fucks trying to steal an election right about now. That will be a good circus!
My issue with it is this. legalizing it while it is still scheduled so high as a drug sets poor precedent. lowering the schedule of the drug would do enough to make it legal and if not then it can be worked on. its the right thing done the wrong way.
I have no problem with it. I tried it once a few years ago, and I hated it. I had a really weird reaction to it, and I will never do it again; however, I know other people that really enjoy it.
It’s like getting too drunk for the first time. If you take far too much it won’t be pleasurable and your mind will remember. Also, different strains tap into different receptors which can give completely different effects from paranoia to comfortable sleepiness.
I didn't do very much at all. It was a vape pen cartridge thing. I'm not sure what strain it was or anything.
Basically, I felt like my brain was only a little bit impaired, but it had completely taken over my body. I couldn't control my body or even speak properly. A sentence would sound normal in my head, but it would come out in pieces. I felt completely panicked..... like I was trapped inside my own body and couldn't control it. I would start laughing at something, and then I would start panicking that I would never be able to stop laughing. I remember being terrified my husband would divorce me because I sounded so stupid because I could barely form a sentence. Time seemed to stretch on forever and ever and I thought I would never go back to normal. It was a horrible feeling. Once I started to come down and got control of my body back like an hour later I felt better. And then I ate the most delicious tomatoes in the entire universe. It was like I had never really tasted food before. Then I went to bed and my entire body got itchy and I randomly broke out in hives for the next 2 weeks so I actually wonder if I'm allergic to it. And that's the story of the first and last time I ever smoked pot. The end.
Vape pens are infused with glycerin or other oils to facilitate burning. Without it, the cannabis oil won’t turn to vapor. This is why many people despise the pens. Also, you’re describing the worst effects of THC, paranoia. These over concentrated smoking methods are antithetical to the common recreational use, IMO.
The trick is only taking just enough to get to the “most delicious tomatoes in the universe” spot and no more. I’m a seasoned veteran when it comes to cannabis and even for me the newest strain hybrids are simply not as pleasurable as the “grandaddy” strains of decades past. They are over powered by the THC and too little of the balancing CBD’s are eliminated. It’s no wonder you had an aggressive experience.
Just for giggles, were you already drinking alcohol when you hit the pen? That will exacerbate the effects in a huge way.
That's so interesting! I barely had any... maybe 2 decent inhales and a few lighter ones, and no I wasn't drinking alcohol. My sister had twice as much as me and she only hit the chill out tomatoes are delicious state.
I do have to say I am extremely sensitive to any medications. I can feel half a glass of wine, if I have caffeine after 3 pm I can't sleep. 1 cup of coffee makes my heart rate go through the roof and sent me to the cardiologist in my 20's because I freaked my doctor out lol. I always get side effects from medication.... even super rare ones which is why I avoid medication like the plague.
Thanks for sharing your expertise. I'm honestly too scared of having a repeat experience to ever try it again. I hated the feeling I got THAT much, and the itchy hives afterwards was horrible. I'd rather just get a little tipsy and call it good lol
I mean, pot has THC as a protection device from animals and birds eating the seeds. It’s how it evolved over time. It’s not suppose to be pleasurable, per se.
That being said, alcohol is poison. Literally. Cannabis is physically harmless.
I don't drink enough to get drunk or anything, and it does not take much to get me tipsy hahaha. A couple glasses of wine or one mixed drink with hard liquor, and I'm good lol
Deadbeats are deadbeats long before they take the first puff. Similarly, you aren’t saying the guy drinking a six pack every night is a drag on society.
Of course the alcoholic is. Why should I desire have more deadbeats living off my wealth creation? Get rid of welfare. Get rid of social security. Get rid of Medicare and Medicaid. Then be high all you like.
Those are two different aspects of life. I’ve smoked on and off for over 20 years, yet pay taxes religiously. It’s never been in my way, similar to the plumber who cranks out 80K a year, but drinks 6 beers every night after work.
Federally legal but states should retain their ability to criminalize it.
I firmly believe that people should be able to decide how they want their community to be. This demand for nation-wide policy (on both sides!) in such a diverse country is a huge contributor to division.
If each state and even city had more control over its own destiny, people would rightfully not give a fuck how people a thousand miles away choose to live. As it should be, and as the founders intended.
Prohibition of something so easily produced simply does not work; the "cure" is far worse than the disease. Alcohol prohibition did not work, marijuana prohibition does not work. We live in an imperfect world in which we are constantly forced to make compromises like this, and people need to suck it up and deal with that fact.
Also, the pro-pot referendums turn out Dem participation from people who otherwise would not give two-tenths of a fuck.
If it is legal federally, medical staff can do legit research with it. Marijuana is useful for many medical conditions, especially epilepsy. Up till now, it has been illegal for doctors to research using it to create medicines for people with refractory (not controlled by meds) epilepsy. It is a godsend for people suffering from seizures.
Alcohol is a harder drug than pot. Make Marijuana 21 and up and call it good
Agree. I don't see a down side. Not everything that is legal now is good for you. The federal law is largely ignored in cases of personal use possession, making a mockery of it anyway. I am not a fan of the stuff myself.
So legal pedophilia and nationwide prostitution to end human trafficking? Did you even think about your statement? You did not even make a new paragraph for the "work on human trafficking" after saying "legalize it all."
But you did not break the ideas down so it is clear. So, who is the retard?
We cannot fight the cartels against Drugs so we have to legalize it all.
That way they can work against the cartels on human trafficking!
See, broken down cleanly. And still showing your a retard. If we cannot beat the cartels on drugs what the hell makes you think we can beat them on human trafficking?
I'm a large proponent of legalizing all drugs and placing a "sin" tax on it. If people want to kill themselves with heroin, let them do it.
But the main reason I'd advocate for doing it would be to cut the legs off of the Drug Cartels.
A drugged society is a compliant society. In Huxley's brave New World, the drug of choice was Soma.
Funny, Soma is a real drug now and gets quite a lot of recreational use in some places.
I can see medical uses for pot. But the pot they grow now is not the stuff they grew when I was kid during the Viet Nam war. This stuff worries me.
I don't partake and can't be around it, I'm allergic. Something potheads often believe is impossible, but it isn't.
It just means the amount needed to get high is less. Instead of smoking an entire “cigarette” it only takes a single puff or two. Far better for the lungs in this respect, too.
Despite the differences, there is no new chemical in pot that wasn’t there before. It’s simply more refined.
I get that. But I also wonder if it actually makes a functional difference in how much people use over time.
I find it interesting that some of the smokers I know have found that different types of the new stuff make them paranoid or cause other unpleasant side effects.
I have no innate objection to those who choose to smoke, it's their body and their choice so long as that choice doesn't negatively impact others. But I also don't see an overall societal benefit to drug use in general, especially not when so many people sell narratives that make it seem like something is harmless or worse, a universal panacea.
For me, considering it’s not a refined product, I don’t consider it a problem with respect to heavy drugs. This includes pharmaceuticals which are truly narcotics.
Fact is, the decades of hybridization has diluted the best parts of cannabis use and paranoia is a direct side effect of the accelerated THC levels and reduced CBD levels. I’ve been a grower for many years and simply don’t like the effects of the ramped up strains. This year I popped some old school seeds from years past and produced a much more pleasurable weed to smoke. It quashed the idea that long term use leads to specific side effects. Fact is, the weed has been bred in a negative manner, IMO. The stuff I cranked out this year is far more usable for recreational use and has that “let’s take another hit” effect instead of the “Jesus fucking Christ how much longer until it wears off?”
Bottom line, smoking cannabis can absolutely give you a head change that makes things seem ok when they in fact are not. It’s the only thing I worry, people will gloss over the worst atrocities with respect to government control because they simply don’t sense the reality due to the side effects of using weed.
Thank you for providing a grower's perspective, that is extremely interesting! So if I understand you correctly, the CBD/THC ratio makes a substantive difference in the type of high one experiences? That makes sense. I am not generally a fan of extensive hybridization of anything really, at least not in terms of food or flowers. Heirloom or minimally hybridized flowers and food tend to taste better and smell better to me. Thus I tend to avoid most big ag produced fruits, veggies and flowers when budget permits.
As a grower, would you see a market for what one would call "heirloom" weed being a big thing? Or do you think the new generation of smokers that would get involved would be more attracted to these ramped up strains?
Your last point is my biggest worry when it comes to drugs in general, be it the over prescribing of psych meds at earlier and earlier ages, or legalizing weed and other things. I have taken psych meds in the past, and they tend to "unplug" you from reality, in some cases quite profoundly. The pot smokers I know have remarked weed does essentially the same thing to greater or lesser degrees. So especially now when our government is utterly untrustworthy, I don't see this as a good thing.
Just like GMO’s cross pollinate with every other plant, the cannabis industry is essentially fucked for similar reasons. The idea behind hybridization was to take the best qualities of multiple plants and cross them together, thereby creating better weed. Unfortunately, the result was the most dominant traits simply weeded out (no pun intended) the best qualities of the weaker strain. What’s left is pretty sounding names, but plants that have a similar high across the board. Very heavy, very strong and nearly the same smell. Now that so many growers have played with cross pollinating, the guarantee of what you’re actually smoking is long gone. Pure strains of sativa which produce a more cerebral effect have dominated the pure indica strains which produced a body high. Combined, they simply don’t give you the best of both worlds and now it’s nearly impossible to find seeds that are from original, pure strains of either genetics. Old school growers, like myself, have a stash of seeds from a different time, but eventually even those will be gone. The work behind growing males to produce pollen is fruitless because they don’t carry the psychoactive properties. The game is to produce smokable buds and wasting pistils on female plants to produce seeds would be a fiduciary loss. Sinsemilla is weed without seed which means no lineage. Sometimes the best shit is gone with each batch as there’s no incentive to produce seeds. There are seed companies, but whether or not you’re actually getting what they’re purporting to sell is questionable. I’m not sure most newbies would know either way. The alternative is cloning, but even that begins to weaken over time as genetic malformation usually ramps up in short order. For example, if 1 in 100 show a non welcomed trait, such as hermaphroditism and you clone that plant, you are stuck with a mother that isn’t of value. This is why many grandaddy strains are long gone. Long term growers have been forced to take what they can get for this reason or use up their seed stash from buds that were grown outdoor in an “heirloom” setting with natural, open pollination. Before weed was legal, growing outdoor meant less tending to plants as to stay away from possibly being caught. Male plants would grow right next to females and pollinate naturally which produced buds with seeds. This is not a desirable outcome in the current state of selling cannabis and is the major reason why the plant's traits have funneled into high strength, paranoia inducing buds.
The flip side is buds being grown for only the CBD which doesn’t get you high at all. These strains, dubbed Charlotte’s web, have been produced for pain relief and seizure control. The amount one needs to ingest is ridiculously high so refined oils of nearly pure CBD have to be produced in order to make it feasible. They do work when used early and properly, but only for the most severe cases and in huge daily dosing.
Thank you for the extremely informative reply! It sounds like legalizing cannabis and making it a major industry might not have been a good thing in terms of a reduction in biodiversity and killing the incentive to preserve granddaddy strains. One would like to think a balance could be found, but I am not sure if that is a practical goal at this point.
I suppose it would be possible to get old school seeds from elsewhere in the world where weed still either grows wild or isn't grown with the same commercial goals, maybe.
Thank you again for taking time to explain something of the science to me :-). It's actually very interesting. my only experience with deliberate selective breeding involved heirloom tomato plants and carnations.
Legalized pot is a scam. The markup is out of control and they do not weigh it in front of you. At least at the places I have seen.
Weight and scale is so spot on it’s not even funny. They hit to hundredths of a gram. Far more accurate than the “heighths” that float around on the street.
If you are ever on the east coast and want to get scammed, hmu. Ill bring you to the place.
Personally I think it’s a way of placating the masses, keeping them docile (while the government sees an opportunity to make money.) I’d think it was really about freedom if they were passing pro gun legislation as well, instead of the opposite.
bingo. Bread and circuses.
Personally, I am looking forward to the watering of the Tree of Liberty with all the treasonous fucks trying to steal an election right about now. That will be a good circus!
My issue with it is this. legalizing it while it is still scheduled so high as a drug sets poor precedent. lowering the schedule of the drug would do enough to make it legal and if not then it can be worked on. its the right thing done the wrong way.
I have no problem with it. I tried it once a few years ago, and I hated it. I had a really weird reaction to it, and I will never do it again; however, I know other people that really enjoy it.
It’s like getting too drunk for the first time. If you take far too much it won’t be pleasurable and your mind will remember. Also, different strains tap into different receptors which can give completely different effects from paranoia to comfortable sleepiness.
I didn't do very much at all. It was a vape pen cartridge thing. I'm not sure what strain it was or anything.
Basically, I felt like my brain was only a little bit impaired, but it had completely taken over my body. I couldn't control my body or even speak properly. A sentence would sound normal in my head, but it would come out in pieces. I felt completely panicked..... like I was trapped inside my own body and couldn't control it. I would start laughing at something, and then I would start panicking that I would never be able to stop laughing. I remember being terrified my husband would divorce me because I sounded so stupid because I could barely form a sentence. Time seemed to stretch on forever and ever and I thought I would never go back to normal. It was a horrible feeling. Once I started to come down and got control of my body back like an hour later I felt better. And then I ate the most delicious tomatoes in the entire universe. It was like I had never really tasted food before. Then I went to bed and my entire body got itchy and I randomly broke out in hives for the next 2 weeks so I actually wonder if I'm allergic to it. And that's the story of the first and last time I ever smoked pot. The end.
Vape pens are infused with glycerin or other oils to facilitate burning. Without it, the cannabis oil won’t turn to vapor. This is why many people despise the pens. Also, you’re describing the worst effects of THC, paranoia. These over concentrated smoking methods are antithetical to the common recreational use, IMO.
The trick is only taking just enough to get to the “most delicious tomatoes in the universe” spot and no more. I’m a seasoned veteran when it comes to cannabis and even for me the newest strain hybrids are simply not as pleasurable as the “grandaddy” strains of decades past. They are over powered by the THC and too little of the balancing CBD’s are eliminated. It’s no wonder you had an aggressive experience.
Just for giggles, were you already drinking alcohol when you hit the pen? That will exacerbate the effects in a huge way.
That's so interesting! I barely had any... maybe 2 decent inhales and a few lighter ones, and no I wasn't drinking alcohol. My sister had twice as much as me and she only hit the chill out tomatoes are delicious state.
I do have to say I am extremely sensitive to any medications. I can feel half a glass of wine, if I have caffeine after 3 pm I can't sleep. 1 cup of coffee makes my heart rate go through the roof and sent me to the cardiologist in my 20's because I freaked my doctor out lol. I always get side effects from medication.... even super rare ones which is why I avoid medication like the plague.
Thanks for sharing your expertise. I'm honestly too scared of having a repeat experience to ever try it again. I hated the feeling I got THAT much, and the itchy hives afterwards was horrible. I'd rather just get a little tipsy and call it good lol
I mean, pot has THC as a protection device from animals and birds eating the seeds. It’s how it evolved over time. It’s not suppose to be pleasurable, per se.
That being said, alcohol is poison. Literally. Cannabis is physically harmless.
I don't drink enough to get drunk or anything, and it does not take much to get me tipsy hahaha. A couple glasses of wine or one mixed drink with hard liquor, and I'm good lol
I do not enjoy watching my tax dollars handed out to deadbeats. Legal weed will just lead to more and worse deadbeats.
Heroin. It’s not heroin.
Deadbeats are deadbeats long before they take the first puff. Similarly, you aren’t saying the guy drinking a six pack every night is a drag on society.
Of course the alcoholic is. Why should I desire have more deadbeats living off my wealth creation? Get rid of welfare. Get rid of social security. Get rid of Medicare and Medicaid. Then be high all you like.
Those are two different aspects of life. I’ve smoked on and off for over 20 years, yet pay taxes religiously. It’s never been in my way, similar to the plumber who cranks out 80K a year, but drinks 6 beers every night after work.
Federally legal but states should retain their ability to criminalize it.
I firmly believe that people should be able to decide how they want their community to be. This demand for nation-wide policy (on both sides!) in such a diverse country is a huge contributor to division.
If each state and even city had more control over its own destiny, people would rightfully not give a fuck how people a thousand miles away choose to live. As it should be, and as the founders intended.
Prohibition of something so easily produced simply does not work; the "cure" is far worse than the disease. Alcohol prohibition did not work, marijuana prohibition does not work. We live in an imperfect world in which we are constantly forced to make compromises like this, and people need to suck it up and deal with that fact.
Also, the pro-pot referendums turn out Dem participation from people who otherwise would not give two-tenths of a fuck.
Removing this as an election issue is a win-win.
If it is legal federally, medical staff can do legit research with it. Marijuana is useful for many medical conditions, especially epilepsy. Up till now, it has been illegal for doctors to research using it to create medicines for people with refractory (not controlled by meds) epilepsy. It is a godsend for people suffering from seizures.