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Tseliteiv 2 points ago +2 / -0

Personally, I'm a fan of Augustus Caesars take on people who don't have children. The quote was meant for men not women.

https://ibb.co/tzhFMCT

I totally understand how men wouldn't want to have children in our current society given the relationship structure and current view on roles. I wouldn't want to have children in a marriage where the woman worked 40 hours a week and expected me to care for the child 50/50 because she was busy during the day with her career. At a basic rational/logical level, that's basically the same as adding a dog, in which as you've described, creates additional work/stress/obligation. I would seriously consider what the point of the woman in this relationship structure was exactly in adding more work to my life without any additional benefit from the woman. If a woman was willing to stop working and raise the kids herself such that they were primarily her responsibility but I was support her in that role, then I would want kids. Not to mention, if someone is on this website, they likely are aware of the social indoctrination going on so home-schooling would be preferable; however, with a woman working full-time, that is infeasible. I think overall the relationship dynamic is only suitable for children when the man works and the woman raises the child. Both working + kids isn't desirable for me at all but I do desire kids just not under this structure, so I totally get men who think the same as me.