So might as well not enflame the people with all the guns, right?
Who have used them HOW OFTEN to incite mass public violence?
Zero.
Whereas the crazy commies have brazenly burned and murdered innocent civilians in broad daylight. As the cops virtually looked on.
Where were our guns then?
Like u/MartyrX1776 cautioned, to think we hold the upper hand here is foolish. Because we might have the WAY, but I'm not so convinced we have the WILL.
EDIT: There's an old saying that, when looking for an ally, it's better to choose a man who has fought and lost than one who has never fought at all. Because that person is more and aware and thus better prepared to face the realities and haunts of war.
Not sure that I 100% agree with it, but it is one way to look at things.
In that sense, then, the crazy lefties do have more experience. At organizing, at terrorizing, at dealing with the on-the-ground confusions, etc.
And I suspect that's not something we should take lightly and immediately dismiss out of hand.
What you're talking about here is Pepe remaining in the pot even after it's boiling and the lid is on. I've been warning about this here for 9 months; yes, it's possible. Now we can clearly see freedom's last stand, and it's vanishing point. (Apart from living off the grid in this huge and still beautiful Country, only to be hunted down and caught eventually but maybe after years of isolation, yet "freedom.")
Last April we all saw the plan was to FUBAR this election, run out the clock, and create so much confusion as to prevent decisive action on our part. And here we are, no surprise. If our Courts fail us entirely, the last legal recourse is Rubicon Don. Under this scenario I expect to clog the streets of DC in my full sized cargo van, trip starting 1/6. Ideally this would be deterrence, which is the best use of force. Our military could stay on the sidelines, which might be fore the best. Trump supporting gun owners outnumber our military 100:1, but we would need to show up.
I've been warning about this here for 9 months; yes, it's possible. Now we can clearly see freedom's last stand, and it's vanishing point. (Apart from living off the grid in this huge and still beautiful Country, only to be hunted down and caught eventually but maybe after years of isolation, yet "freedom.")
This is exactly what I'm cautioning. Well said!
Our military could stay on the sidelines, which might be fore the best. Trump supporting gun owners outnumber our military 100:1, but we would need to show up.
Yes.
For me, the bigger elephant in the room is that we get all gussied up and ready to go... But who to fight?
The communists in the streets? Nah, that's misguided, they're just a bunch of punks. What authority and rule do they have?
No, if we want to enact change we must look to those who are responsible. And that's an altogether different matter entirely. The big G gov't is large and diffuse for a reason. It makes its overthrow damn nigh impossible.
Throw in the very real threat of infighting and breaks in the MIL/etal and it becomes a very complicated picture indeed.
Ahh, making it personal. Classy discussion, u/downvote_fairy... Surely we can be better than that, no?
If it does happen it will be because people have had enough.
The problem is we may have convinced ourselves that 1776 only works "one way". It's possible there are shill Lefties who will likewise rally to the 1776 call. Not because they've somehow switched over to the MAGA movement, but because they've convinced themselves THEY are the good guys stamping out evil nazis.
Even in my red state, it's surprising how many liberals are also loaded to bear. With MIL training and experience.
So am I scared?
Ehh, that's a weird word... I'm prepared. But living in a warzone is not something anyone should wish upon their homeland. And any combat veteran who says he never feared for his life or his loved ones is a damn liar. This has nothing to do with ego. True violence and its aftermath are cold and uncaring, not something to be sought and esteemed. Especially upon innocent bystanders caught in the crossfire.
Correct, but we're damned close! Significant deadlines are 12/14 and 1/6. Significant muster point is either DC or Mar El Lago, with secondary points possible, but we want a concentration of force.
If, as threatened, the military engages in the coup, it will splinter. This leaves us open to attack by foreign invaders. This is the worst possible situation. Rubicon Don is a much better situation.
We have to play our cards right. Quit being a doomer. If we launch a counter-assault, in Minecraft, too soon then we lose. We are more effective than the left. When we go condition 1, SHTF and there is no going back. Our base needs to be properly riled up or else they will go back to hibernating like they have been for all of these years. Our side is more successful and has a lot more to lose. When our family's are at stake I better be able to trust the pede to the left and to the right of me or else it will all be in vein.
TIL that preparing for unknowns is being a doomer.
Our side is more successful
By what standard?
At preventing communists from infiltrating our schools and institutions? From infiltrating our local and federal governments?
The point I'm making is that while the hard right is gearing up with guns and ammo, the communist left is bypassing the front altogether and instead, populating seats and pushing agendas.
When our family's are at stake I better be able to trust the pede to the left and to the right of me or else it will all be in vein.
I agree, fren!
The situation I'm offering is, what if our families are already at stake? What if we're so fixated on a 1776 guns-out defense that we've totally lost sight of the political/social/mental war that's going on in the background?
Suit up to kill a communist uprising? Sure! That's an easy choice!
But to renounce a lockdown mandate? etc That's not so obvious. Take up arms for what? For a demonstration? And if 14 days to slow the spread turns into 14 months, what then? It's not quite so clear cut as to what the proper course of action should be.
It's entirely possible, then, the war we face today/tomorrow will be markedly different than the ones we've used to build our current narratives and expectations. And maybe it's just me, but in my book, that's usually a harrowing place to be in.
Who have used them HOW OFTEN to incite mass public violence?
Zero.
Whereas the crazy commies have brazenly burned and murdered innocent civilians in broad daylight. As the cops virtually looked on.
Where were our guns then?
Like u/MartyrX1776 cautioned, to think we hold the upper hand here is foolish. Because we might have the WAY, but I'm not so convinced we have the WILL.
EDIT: There's an old saying that, when looking for an ally, it's better to choose a man who has fought and lost than one who has never fought at all. Because that person is more and aware and thus better prepared to face the realities and haunts of war.
Not sure that I 100% agree with it, but it is one way to look at things.
In that sense, then, the crazy lefties do have more experience. At organizing, at terrorizing, at dealing with the on-the-ground confusions, etc.
And I suspect that's not something we should take lightly and immediately dismiss out of hand.
IMO, the 1776 rally cry is too often used as a crutch, to serve as a sort of mental consolation.
"Don't worry, if things get too bad, we can always pull a 1776."
Meanwhile the stove keeps getting hotter and hotter. We allow more and more of our freedoms and liberties to slip away.
Not realizing that, inadvertently, it's possible we may have been using the threat of 1776 to justify our own continued inaction.
What you're talking about here is Pepe remaining in the pot even after it's boiling and the lid is on. I've been warning about this here for 9 months; yes, it's possible. Now we can clearly see freedom's last stand, and it's vanishing point. (Apart from living off the grid in this huge and still beautiful Country, only to be hunted down and caught eventually but maybe after years of isolation, yet "freedom.")
Last April we all saw the plan was to FUBAR this election, run out the clock, and create so much confusion as to prevent decisive action on our part. And here we are, no surprise. If our Courts fail us entirely, the last legal recourse is Rubicon Don. Under this scenario I expect to clog the streets of DC in my full sized cargo van, trip starting 1/6. Ideally this would be deterrence, which is the best use of force. Our military could stay on the sidelines, which might be fore the best. Trump supporting gun owners outnumber our military 100:1, but we would need to show up.
Thank you for understanding u/CuomoisaMassMurderer!
This is exactly what I'm cautioning. Well said!
Yes.
For me, the bigger elephant in the room is that we get all gussied up and ready to go... But who to fight?
The communists in the streets? Nah, that's misguided, they're just a bunch of punks. What authority and rule do they have?
No, if we want to enact change we must look to those who are responsible. And that's an altogether different matter entirely. The big G gov't is large and diffuse for a reason. It makes its overthrow damn nigh impossible.
Throw in the very real threat of infighting and breaks in the MIL/etal and it becomes a very complicated picture indeed.
Ahh, making it personal. Classy discussion, u/downvote_fairy... Surely we can be better than that, no?
The problem is we may have convinced ourselves that 1776 only works "one way". It's possible there are shill Lefties who will likewise rally to the 1776 call. Not because they've somehow switched over to the MAGA movement, but because they've convinced themselves THEY are the good guys stamping out evil nazis.
Even in my red state, it's surprising how many liberals are also loaded to bear. With MIL training and experience.
So am I scared?
Ehh, that's a weird word... I'm prepared. But living in a warzone is not something anyone should wish upon their homeland. And any combat veteran who says he never feared for his life or his loved ones is a damn liar. This has nothing to do with ego. True violence and its aftermath are cold and uncaring, not something to be sought and esteemed. Especially upon innocent bystanders caught in the crossfire.
You're well past that fucking point buddy.
No taxation without representation.
What, exactly do you think electoral fraud is? They have stolen your right to representation.
Will this be in the exam? Lol. Deadlines are, too
Correct, but we're damned close! Significant deadlines are 12/14 and 1/6. Significant muster point is either DC or Mar El Lago, with secondary points possible, but we want a concentration of force.
If, as threatened, the military engages in the coup, it will splinter. This leaves us open to attack by foreign invaders. This is the worst possible situation. Rubicon Don is a much better situation.
Let's hope so, fren!
The recent past has shown us it may take quite a long time before local officials ask to call in the "big guns".
And, for me, it's that "fend for yourself" time that is of concern.
BUT! To look on the brightside... As far as I'm aware, the Antifa/BLM/etal lawlessness has only been carried out to some effect in liberal shitholes.
Bring that party into a conservative state? May be a very different story, as you rightly point out.
I agree. There is way too much bravado from the 'right' when there is basically nothing to back it up.
We have to play our cards right. Quit being a doomer. If we launch a counter-assault, in Minecraft, too soon then we lose. We are more effective than the left. When we go condition 1, SHTF and there is no going back. Our base needs to be properly riled up or else they will go back to hibernating like they have been for all of these years. Our side is more successful and has a lot more to lose. When our family's are at stake I better be able to trust the pede to the left and to the right of me or else it will all be in vein.
TIL that preparing for unknowns is being a doomer.
By what standard?
At preventing communists from infiltrating our schools and institutions? From infiltrating our local and federal governments?
The point I'm making is that while the hard right is gearing up with guns and ammo, the communist left is bypassing the front altogether and instead, populating seats and pushing agendas.
I agree, fren!
The situation I'm offering is, what if our families are already at stake? What if we're so fixated on a 1776 guns-out defense that we've totally lost sight of the political/social/mental war that's going on in the background?
Suit up to kill a communist uprising? Sure! That's an easy choice!
But to renounce a lockdown mandate? etc That's not so obvious. Take up arms for what? For a demonstration? And if 14 days to slow the spread turns into 14 months, what then? It's not quite so clear cut as to what the proper course of action should be.
It's entirely possible, then, the war we face today/tomorrow will be markedly different than the ones we've used to build our current narratives and expectations. And maybe it's just me, but in my book, that's usually a harrowing place to be in.