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david2278 0 points ago +9 / -9

It's ok to be pro Trump and pro vaccine. They are not mutually exclusive. The obviously shouldn't be forced upon people, but there's nothing wrong with people getting it.

Here's the deal. Covid is not really that bad, but what's really scary is how poorly equipped we are to handle viruses. Eventually there is going to come a day where a supervirus hits and takes out the entire population. Ironically, conditioning people to believe that vaccines are automatically bad no matter what is a perfect way to control the population because when a super bad virus does hit and we get a vaccine for it no one is going to want to take it because they've been conditioned to think it's bad for them.

I'm pro Trump. But not everything has to be a conspiracy.

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80960KA 8 points ago +9 / -1

Eventually there is going to come a day where a supervirus hits and takes out the entire population.

Complete nonsense. If this were the case such a "supervirus" would have already wiped out the entire population some time in the past 10,000 years of known human civilization. This doesn't even happen in the world of lower animals and plants, about the only time a pathogen can wipe out an entire population of an organism is if the population is all clones that haven't had time to diverge, such as with the Big Mike banana (the yellow kind not the purpley-black kind). Even then, examples of Big Mike still exist, it's just not commercially viable.

In reality, there will always be a substantial set of people that are naturally immune. There will also always be a set of people that aren't immune, but aren't fatally affected. Immune systems are far from perfect, but they are more than effective enough to keep pathogens from wiping the slate clean, and they've been doing it for hundreds of millions of years.

I'm not an antivaxer, I believe vaccines are a great tool for lessening the impact of pathogens, but ultimately they are not in any way critical to the survival of the species. If they were, we wouldn't be here.

This particular vax I am not getting, because it's a novel class of vax, has been rushed through testing, and there are too many shady actors involved. It's simply not worth risking relative to the risk of wuflu itself.

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david2278 0 points ago +1 / -1

You make good points, but I disagree. Here's why. The key difference between now and the entire history of mankind is one thing. Transportation. In the last 100 years we have become more interconnected than ever before. Look at how fast this virus was able to propagate around the entire world in only a few months. And you're right some people will be able to survive a supervirus, but it won't matter.

Today we live in a world of efficiency. We specialize in the work that we do. I don't know how to make food. I write software. I'm not a farmer or a butcher. But I don't have to be. And therein lies the weakness of our civilization. There is a critical point where if enough people die the supply chains will stop and the supply of food will stop. What would happen if all the grocery stores stopped carrying food for 6 months? Utter panic. This would happen in the case of a supervirus. And those who did survive the virus would starve to death. Only the few who isolate themselves and live off the land away from people will survive. It will truly be like an apocalypse sans zombies. And even if those people do survive, knowledge will not. Our knowledge of math, science, computation, will all die when those specialists die. It will be an effective reset of all our progress and would take centuries to recover from it.